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Sean Lee Destroyed By Golden Tate (thebiglead.fantasysportsven.netdna-cdn.com)

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[–]bobdle 109 points110 points ago

http://i.imgur.com/hM5Sd.gif

[–]Wandering_Nerd 111 points112 points ago

I read that as Stan Lee at first.

[–]QuietWyatt96 18 points19 points ago

Relevant username.

[–]noisyturtle 1 point2 points ago

Something about Stan Lee and a golden taint.

[–]boredguard 24 points25 points ago

They were talking about some defenseless player penalty. Personally I thought it looked like he drove his helmet up himself when he stood up. Either way it looked more deserving of a penalty than the barely touched him "push" out of bounds that got a flag that play.

[–]dontbedistracted 44 points45 points ago

Stan Lee destroyed by Golden Gate.

[–]connorblikre 39 points40 points ago

i should probably get some sleep

[–]Mantis05 1 point2 points ago

Why would the Golden Gate want revenge? Stan Lee was the one destroyed.

[–]connorblikre 14 points15 points ago

i'm not the one to be asking that

[–]fench 2 points3 points ago

Stan Lee was destroyed in a revenge attack for creating Magneto. Remember?

[–]Trivia_Time 47 points48 points ago

Lee wasn't exactly defenseless, but he got blind sided.

“It is a foul if a player initiates unnecessary contact against a player who is in a defenseless posture.

(a) Players in a defenseless posture are: [. . .]

(2) A receiver attempting to catch a pass; or who has completed a catch and has not had time to protect himself or has not clearly become a runner. If the receiver/runner is capable of avoiding or warding off the impending contact of an opponent, he is no longer a defenseless player; [. . .]

(b) Prohibited contact against a player who is in a defenseless posture is:

(1) Forcibly hitting the defenseless player’s head or neck area with the helmet, facemask, forearm, or shoulder, regardless of whether the defensive player also uses his arms to tackle the defenseless player by encircling or grasping him; and

(2) Lowering the head and making forcible contact with the top/crown or forehead/”hairline” parts of the helmet against any part of the defenseless player’s body.”

So the question becomes "Was Lee able to avoid or ward off Tate?". He didn't know he was there, so no. But it's Lee's fault for not knowing where Tate was. There is no decisive answer for should this be a penalty. But a shoulder block would have been just as effective in that situation...

Edit - Yes he's on defense, but I think the spirit of the regulation should still be to protect the players.

[–]Wutsurname 7 points8 points ago

Although Lee isn't looking in Tate's direction. Tate was running in front of him for at least 5 yards. Have you heard to keep your head on a swivel before? He had an appropriate amount of time to look and see Tate eyeing him down. Yes he obviously led with the crown on his helmet, but I wouldn't consider Lee a defenseless player. I'm positive I'd be doing the exact same thing as Lee was, but he did have ample time to see Tate and avoid the hit or try and brace for it.

[–]Deathsquid 9 points10 points ago

Even so, it was a hit leading with the helmet; that is clearly intent to do damage. You are hitting someone with literally the hardest part of your gear; essentially spearheading an opposing player in the chest is CLEARLY unsportsmanlike. He could have easily tackled him numerous other ways that were far less risky.

EDIT: The block would have been entirely legal if he just hadn't lowered his head and lead head first. That is the point of contention.

[–]TMM_Whipsy -1 points0 points ago

The angle sucks. His shoulder hits a split second before his helmet. Leading a hit that hard with your helmet would fuck you up worse than the person you hit.

[–]Wutsurname 0 points1 point ago

He didn't make a good choice on how he hit him. He definitely should've just lowered his shoulder. But I still feel that Lee isn't a defenseless player and thus making the hit stupid, but legal.

[–]Blackchaos93 85 points86 points ago

Tate clearly wants to do some damage. He deserves at the very least a fine

As a die hard cowboys fan watching this happen in real time - it was absolutely a flagrant foul worthy of an ejection and suspension.

As a football fan in retrospect - it was absolutely a flagrant foul worthy of a fine.

It was even worse when there was a flag thrown which seemed to be for this foul, but it ended up being a personal foul against Dallas for touching the ball carrier as he crossed the out of bounds line. The announcers were stunned and unanimously agreed that it was bullshit. Not only was it the lightest and most ungrounded unsportsmanlike conduct I've seen, but it was in spite of one of the most ruthless blocks this season (granted 2 weeks in, but still). Tate even taunted after the play.

Player safety should be a much higher priority. I still expect at least a fine for Tate.

[–]theduder88 6 points7 points ago

I agree. I was infuriated by this. So it's ok for the offense to potentially end a career, but when the defense does it they get suspended for an entire season. Not to mention the awful call by the refs. My god pay them already before a player gets killed in a game.

[–]KWilTheLegend 3 points4 points ago

I hate the Cowboys as a Giants fan, but that should have been flagged as Tate led with his helmet. If he put his shoulders down and drilled him, it would have been fine because I wouldn't say he's defenseless. He's chasing the runner and needs to keep his head up.

But you cannot lead with your helmet. It's usually actually more dangerous for the guy making the tackle than the guy getting hit.

[–]sirlanceb 7 points8 points ago

It was an illegal hit. You can never lead with your helmet under any circumstance and have it be legal.

Not helmet to helmet but illegal all the same and not sure if he should get a fine but it should have been a personal foul for unnecessary roughness. Because it's not a legal hit.

But yeah, this type of play is just another example of how a culture of not training people on how to correctly block/tackle has led to this. A lot of people think fines are going to solve problems, but the thing is, these guys don't know how to play like that. They got to the top level by putting their bodies and heads at risk making plays like these. You have to instill good legal hard hitting tacking with your hips and legs at a young age. But the sad thing is that doesn't happen, kids are encourage to make plays like this.

But as far as anyone trying to say the hit was legal, that's just nonsense. It was clear he led with his helmet against a player who had no idea he was coming. Now the fact he had no idea is his fault and if Tate had made a legal block, it would have been fine, but he led with the helmet thus making it an illegal block and should be a 15 yard penalty and loss of down.

[–]Fratulence -1 points0 points ago

You can never lead with your helmet under any circumstance and have it be legal.

Running backs truck people with their helmets legally all the time.

[–]b_f -4 points-3 points ago

he led with his shoulder... his head just happens to be near his shoulder.

[–]sirlanceb 1 point2 points ago

He lowered his head and slammed it into his chest. He put the crown of his helmet with his neck exposed into the enemy player. His body would be shifted and his helmet would have not collided into his chest if he had led with his shoulder.

Also when you block someone, you don't lead with your helmet or your shoulder when you block. you lead with your hands into their chest and drive into them.

[–]jagalomp 5 points6 points ago

Dont know why you got downvoted. This is certainly fine material. Need to ditch the replacement refs.

[–]Zeldagon 9 points10 points ago

its been downvoted because while he does make a good point and backs it up he is being incredibly biased making the statement in effect null and void in my opinion. Its like me saying im a seahawks fan and ya that was a good hit, good hit tate. even though clearly it is not as black and white as that.

[–]GoofyMcCoy 2 points3 points ago

The constant reposting of the same .gif and opinion probably also sours some people to his message.

[–]Zeldagon 3 points4 points ago

definitely, but im not really sure you can call "nope" an opinion. I mean after 1st grade it simply gets a little sad.

[–]sammew 1 point2 points ago

As a die hard Cowboys hater, I whole heartedly agree. Tate could have put his hands on Lee's chest and pushed him to the ground relatively easily, without risking injuring him.

In addition to that, look at Tate's neck during the hit. It fucking compresses. The rules are also written to protect the player making an illegal block like that, since it can be just as dangerous to him.

Tate will get fined no doubt. I wouldn't be suprised if he sits out a game.

[–]Scopolamina 1 point2 points ago

Wait... wasn't that just a wicked block? If you're an offensive player who's always getting tackled and they have no incentive to take it easy on you - why shouldn't you dish it out whenever you have the opportunity?

[–]jinku2608 -4 points-3 points ago

He is using his helmet (protective gear) as a weapon. How bout instead of a fine , he is forced to replace a hard helmet with a different kind of helmet for X minutes in the next match.

Like the one Chelsea goalkeeper (soccer) Petr Cech uses

Being vulnerable like that will make people think again before headbutting.

Illegally attacking a player in the softer helmet will attract a 2X penalty

[–]kkataro 4 points5 points ago

What the fuck did I just read?

[–]Cheezburger -1 points0 points ago

How about they all just wear no helmets like in Rugby.

[–]EONS -5 points-4 points ago

He lead with his shoulder, not his helmet.

[–]jinku2608 3 points4 points ago

Looks like a bucking bronco to me

[–]LastImmortalMan -5 points-4 points ago

At first I disagreed, but the evidence is pretty conclusive. The first angle looks like he hit directly in the chest, but if you zoom in on this gif you can see a pretty brutal impact from direct helmet-helmet contact.

[–]AgentVanillaGorilla 2 points3 points ago

I see helmet to chest in both gifs.

[–]EONS -5 points-4 points ago

The impact is shoulder to chest.

Lee crumples down onto the shorter player's helmet.

100% legal.

[–]Trivia_Time -5 points-4 points ago

Oh, I agree it was unnecessary and unsportsmanlike like. It's just questionable whether he was defenseless. I didn't see the game, that gif definitely makes it look malicious.

[–]TheBigBanger 22 points23 points ago

Its his fault that he didnt know he was going to be illegally blocked with a head-upper-cut? Fuck that. Thats an illegal block if I ever saw one. This is the shit in the NFL that causes people to die from head trauma.

[–]Boyhowdy107 5 points6 points ago

Head-upper-cut is the right way to describe this. Easy illegal hit. Also, these are the kinda blocks that earned Hines Ward the designation of dirtiest player as voted on by current NFL players.

[–]TheFarting1 -4 points-3 points ago

I don't know if it's as obvious as you make it sound. Tate is incredibly short and so he doesn't meet the rule requirements of hitting Lee's head or neck area. That said, it's possible he hit with his helmet first--he certainly lowered his helmet prior to hitting him--but it's difficult to tell from this angle whether he hit with his shoulder or arms first. This video isn't conclusive either but it looks more like he led with his shoulder and lowered his helmet as if to brace for impact: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=uazfV1BTV-I

It is a football player's responsibility to know who/what is in front of him when he's on the field, so in that argument, I don't necessarily agree with you. However I do agree that this is the sort of hit that causes head trauma. If I were a betting man, I'd guess Tate will get fined by Goodell and Co. for this.

[–]mynameishutch 0 points1 point ago

Since golden is shorter, it should've been ready to throw a block into Lee's chest. In order for golden to make helmet to helmet contact he would have had to jump up into Lee, which us just what he did.

[–]GoofyMcCoy 6 points7 points ago

"Get low, explode up into the target." That's supposed to be good tackling technique, and it's essentially what Tate does here, which is why it was so effective.

Whether it's a foul, or was intended maliciously or not, I'm not qualified to say.

[–]Zeldagon 3 points4 points ago

Tate is much smaller than the defender here and if the defender had been paying attention the block wouldn't have been as great. Tate like a good player expected him to pay attention so used great blocking technique and hit with all his might. I think it was a good block.

[–]GoofyMcCoy 0 points1 point ago

As a Seattle fan, I would tend to agree with you.

As a self-aware Seattle fan with no real experience in professional football, I think it's fair to scrutinize the play, as long as it's done reasonably.

As someone who's been subjected to endless rants about how the NFL runs things, I'm sure someone will convince me to be upset if there's a fine over this later.

[–]Zeldagon 0 points1 point ago

yes i think it is fair to scrutinize the play but people aren't doing that they are saying terrible things about Tate when all he did was have perfect blocking technique and go 100%. Something coaches would kill for in a player.

[–]Conambo -1 points0 points ago

Thats just the thing, it isn't perfect blocking technique, he led with his head. Plain and simple, clear cut penalty.

[–]TheFarting1 1 point2 points ago

And that's what I was trying to say--I don't think he made helmet-to-helmet contact. I think his helmet went into Lee's chest and went up when they made contact. I think where the play was illegal was he either led with his helmet or hit a defenseless receiver. What my post was attempting to highlight was the fact that you can't tell for 100% certain if his helmet makes contact with Lee first. If it did not, then it is a perfectly legal play, as I understand the NFL rules. TheBigBanger said it was conclusive and I happened to disagree.

[–]Zeldagon -2 points-1 points ago

he didn't lower his helmet he dipped his entire body, this in turn made it seem as though he just dipped his helmet. And every single player that has ever made a tackle in some leads with their head. Think about when you run towards someone to make contact do you lean your body forward and anticipate as you run, because you sure as shit dont lean backwards.

It was a hard hit the defender wasn't looking for the blocker and he got hit, hard. it may have been illegal but honestly i think it was good offence, The blocker simply anticipated some sort of resistance from the defender and blocked accordingly, he cant second guess if the guy is paying attention or not out there or he will get fucked up. how often in the NFL is a guy unaware of the blocker. He shouldnt be playing if he can't anticipate stuff like that.

[–]Boyhowdy107 2 points3 points ago

It was illegal because he led with the crown of the helmet and only brought up his arms as an afterthought to try and keep balance.

Yeah, you gotta keep your head on a swivel, but there's a code on this shit in the league. I brought up Hines Ward somewhere else in this post, and I thought of Ward the moment I saw this. Ward was the best at blind-siding defenders with near malicious intent. It gave him a reputation, and frankly, it meant he had to watch out for cheap shots coming his way, too. Tate has to be careful here. As many pointed out, he's not a big guy, and he might not survive the retaliatory abuse for as long a career as Ward did if he gets that reputation.

[–]Zeldagon -2 points-1 points ago

Its almost impossible to not lead with the helmet though, I mean that is how you run, head first then then the rest of the body. If you lead with your head on every play you will be the one getting injured, that rule is more for the protection of the blocker than anyone.

The reason i think it is so pronounced is because of the height difference amplified by Tate dipping and then driving up while the defender simply ran almost upright. And also the angle, to block you need to be as vertical as possible and not slanted so it is not misconstrued as a tackle. Tate did this but the angle may have made it look bad.

I think Tate was being careful here, many on this thread have said that he could have simply pushed him out of bounds and that would have been sufficient.... in this case. But if the defender was paying attention and Tate tried to push his greater mass out he would have been unsuccessful. Tate being a smaller guy needs to go 100% every time in order to block everyone each time or he will at times fail. I think he was being a good player he expected the defender to pay attention and when he went to block with full force there was no reciprocal force and that caused him to decleate the defender.

I don't think this is acceptable in games but really Tate did a fantastic job at blocking with good technique and in the end i think it boils down to the defender not being aware of his surroundings. However i did hear that Tate taunted him after the play, i find this unacceptable, he should be fined for that. If he had gone and aided the guy he hurt i would have far more sympathy, but then again adrenaline and testosterone can be very powerful when you are putting your all against someone else for 2 straight hours.

[–]Conambo 1 point2 points ago

Height doesn't cause it to appear you went head-first, going head first causes it to appear you went head first. Because he led with his head, this is not good blocking technique, it's an illegal hit. Plus, testosterone and adrenaline shouldn't be an excuse for gloating after you head-butted somebody running full speed looking the other way.

[–]philthyer 0 points1 point ago

you never played football I'm guessing?

[–]Zeldagon 0 points1 point ago

Why do you say this, i played all four years in high school and i continue to play now that i am in college.

[–]Givants 1 point2 points ago

I thought the lead with the helmet, and he got the lee's chin

[–]WeaponexT 0 points1 point ago

All true, but it is still funny as hell.

[–]Blackchaos93 -5 points-4 points ago

Tate clearly wants to do some damage. He deserves at the very least a fine

[–]Mantis05 16 points17 points ago

As an Eagles/Irish fan, I want to love this hit. And maybe, on some face-value level, I do. But it was incredibly dirty and unsafe.

[–]xdxas 4 points5 points ago

That would hurt so fucking much

[–]DeejusChrist 10 points11 points ago

Ooooohhhhh!

[–]HereIsWhere 7 points8 points ago

That's an excellent way to break your neck.

[–]giraffricanamerican 6 points7 points ago

It's funny you say that, because I told my friend I was 75% sure at some point in the next few years we will see someone die on a football field on live television because of hits like this.

[–]brotato11 7 points8 points ago

Golden Tate is kinda a small dude too

[–]mookiebomber 5 points6 points ago

What kind of name is "Golden" anyways?

[–]nomtank 6 points7 points ago

A solid one.

[–]GoofyMcCoy 20 points21 points ago

It's Auright

[–]RandomZombie 2 points3 points ago

~

[–]yournewhero2007 7 points8 points ago

Dirty hit. NFL fan period. They keep talking about player safety, but with plays like that both players are lucky to get up.

[–]F_i_z_z 11 points12 points ago

Helmet to chest and the force moved his head up. Not helmet to helmet.

[–]catdogduck 11 points12 points ago

This is still why rugby is safer than football, that type of hit is completely impossible without a helmet. Your helmet is an extremely hard blunt weapon, the fact that the helmet can transfer all of your force into a small area makes it dangerous.

If he hadn't been wearing shoulder pads a hit like that would probably cave his chest in, at very least break some ribs, the helmet constitutes a weapon.

[–]GirthBrooks 29 points30 points ago

Doesn't have to be helmet to helmet just has to be leading with the helmet.

[–]b_f -1 points0 points ago

how do you tell the difference between leading with a shoulder versus a helmet?

[–]JtotheGreen 2 points3 points ago

One is a shoulder and one is a helmet.

[–]Turbojett 5 points6 points ago

that was one hell of a hit.

[–]Ultramerican 9 points10 points ago

Hitting people who aren't looking at you is pretty easy when your job is to work out year-round.

[–]merdock379 1 point2 points ago

Did you see the size difference between the two?

[–]Ultramerican 0 points1 point ago

A guy that's 5'10" and over 200 lbs isn't a small guy, regardless of Lee's size. If a person that's over 200lbs of muscle and 5'10" crouches and then rockets upwards at anyone jogging and not looking, it's pretty easy to lift them off their feet. I don't even know what you're arguing.

[–]merdock379 -1 points0 points ago

It's very small in the NFL. Also, they both work out, so that doesn't make any sense. In fact, you seem confused on the whole topic. Better sit this one out.

[–]Ultramerican 0 points1 point ago

Okay, fucktard, let me slow this down for your Lego Technic brain:

I'm 6'4" and 225. I'm a relatively large dude. If I'm in full pads and helmet and another guy, who is 5'10" and in shape, is suited up and crouches before jumping as hard as they can, leading with their helmet into my chinstrap, it does not matter the relative sizes. As long as his helmet can make contact with mine, I could be 6'8" and 300lbs, it wouldn't matter. That amount of force is injurious and incredibly dangerous for both people. A guy that's 5'10" and over 200lbs of muscle has enough strength to injure anyone on the planet if he rams his helmet into their face.

As if their relative size had anything to do with this. Tate's big enough to injure anyone with that move, and he'll be fined.

edit: Let's stop arguing about this and reconvene on Wednesday, when Tate will receive a fine in the mail, and you can eat crow until you vomit.

[–]merdock379 0 points1 point ago

Your original comment made no sense, same as all the others ITT

[–]Ultramerican -1 points0 points ago

Great argument, very solid with tons of facts, reasoning, and logic.

Go fuck yourself, whine about the Cowboys someplace else, and stop pretending that wasn't illegal.

[–]merdock379 0 points1 point ago

Maybe football is too violent for you? Perhaps gymnastics?

[–]Ultramerican 0 points1 point ago

Great argument again!

[–]Ripper62 3 points4 points ago

As an Australian, not bad, but he needs a little more hang time.

[–]baker781 1 point2 points ago

Yeah, and there isn't enough blood.

[–]uwjames 0 points1 point ago

Any football fan crying foul over this needs a reality check. It's an extremely brutal game, and a large component of success relies on breaking your opponent's concentration and will by violent physical intimidation. Well before players make it to the NFL, even in pee-wee football, they are trained to hurl themselves with maximum force into their adversaries. On top of this, many are trained to play dirty. Tate, Lee, and just about every other player in the league has come up through this practically militarized system; and many of these players have made it to the highest level, in part, because they have grokked the violent nature of the game.

[–]wendysNO1wcheese 0 points1 point ago

It's just part of the emasculation that's going on in this country.

[–]redline201 1 point2 points ago

Hits like that are just uncalled for. Do i enjoy watching them yes. But i do feel bad for Lee getting assaulted like that. I was gonna delete my comment until i saw the video from the other angle. Jesus H Christ. Talk about getting knocked on your ass!

[–]TheBrohemian 1 point2 points ago

I thought leading with the helmet was illegal?

[–]LEIFey 1 point2 points ago

Looks a lot like an open ice hockey bodycheck.

[–]debash -2 points-1 points ago

Cheap shot.

[–]ggiioo 0 points1 point ago

We need more hits like this, it is a physical contact sport after all. leave the unnecessary fouls to basketball

[–]demauricejiana 1 point2 points ago

While her royal sons are marching, onward to victory. Fuck yeah Golden Tate

[–]MisterWonka -5 points-4 points ago

This is so illegal! He didn't wait for him to make eye contact with him before he tackled him! And he didn't wait for the required paperwork to come through, and a firm handshake signaling that Lee was ready for the hit. All of this is necessary in the NFL before you tackle someone! Give me a break.

Not looking where you're going and having no situational awareness is NOT THE SAME as taking a blind side hit. Could I run around with my eyes closed and everyone would have to tackle me gently? Give it a rest.

It's a big hit, and it seems a bit unnecessary when you see that the play didn't go on much further, but in a split second, a player can't know all of that. A guy is going for his QB on a run, he's 50+ pounds bigger than him, so he lays in and takes the guy out. if Tate is fined for this, it will be fucking ridiculous.

[–]Is_this_thing_on 1 point2 points ago

And then they called a late hit on Bruce Carter for grazing Russell Wilson on his way out of bounds. Yay replacement refs.

[–]GopherBeef -3 points-2 points ago

as a notre dame fan, this pleases me.

[–]realmikeybob -5 points-4 points ago

Tate hit him in the front, with his shoulder. This hit avenges every defenseless WR that has ever been lit up by a linebacker; The only people that don't like it are Cowboys fans.

[–]Conambo 1 point2 points ago

The only people pretending like the crown of his helmet didn't hit him in the fucking face are trolls that still hold a grudge on the cowboys. Tate led with his helmet, he was looking at Lee's shoes for Christ's sake, his bucked straight forward with the top of his head.

[–]Ultramerican 5 points6 points ago

So you haven't seen all angles of this hit or you have some irrational grudge against the Cowboys as a team? Because this is helmet-to helmet, leading with the helmet, and jumping upwards blatantly while leading with his helmet. It's in all ways illegal, and your strange two-wrongs-make-a-right mentality makes you sound really unintelligent.

[–]TMM_Whipsy -2 points-1 points ago

There is no way it was helmet to helmet. This angle is horrible. It is close. But his shoulder hits shortly before his helmet hits.

[–]SawEmOff44 2 points3 points ago

Helmets made contact. Are you watching the same video? Also, who cares that his shoulder made contact first? If his pinky finger had touched first, followed by the helmet to helmet hit, would that negate it as well?

[–]TMM_Whipsy -2 points-1 points ago

Helmet hits chest. Front view of the hit shows that. Not worth arguing. This thread is full of biased views from both sides.

[–]RandomCommentDue -5 points-4 points ago

That should have been called for spearing as he drove the top of his helmet into him, which is not only dangerous for Tate, but himself as well.

[–]danielsmith46 7 points8 points ago

Do you even know what spearing is? Because that is not it.

[–]jazzy2424 1 point2 points ago

which is not only dangerous for Tate, but himself as well.>

Golden Tate is the one you say is spearing, you basically said the same thing twice.

[–]MisterWonka -1 points0 points ago

Maybe relevant username? Because you have no idea what you're talking about.

[–]RandomCommentDue 0 points1 point ago

Everything is always relevant in some way.

[–]BGYeti -2 points-1 points ago

Way to lead with your head, can anyone say eventual spinal injury?

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Comment: only doing this so I can save the address when I get on my computer

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