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Motives of Batman villians (imgur.com)

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[–]Wisdom_from_the_Ages 159 points160 points ago

The Penguin did it for the fish.

[–]hedonismbot89 211 points212 points ago

The Penguin did it for the halibut.

FTFY

[–]Day5225 67 points68 points ago

Oh cod you're funny!

[–]DXvegas 53 points54 points ago

I bet that was on porpoise!

[–]bigjmachine 7 points8 points ago

Here you all go!

[–]SlickTricks 9 points10 points ago

that took me longer to get than I'd like to admit.

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    [–]vadergeek 124 points125 points ago

    Was Crane really in it for the science? I mean, he wasn't going around collecting data, he was just riding on a horse and scaring people. And I wouldn't call Ra's' goal "peace", exactly. He's cleansing.

    [–]funke42 72 points73 points ago

    I always thought Crane was in it for the money. I assume Ra's paid him well, or at least promised to.

    [–]RikF 49 points50 points ago

    I think Crane was already doing what he was doing before Ra's decided to use him. Crane enjoyed the power inherent in toying with another person's mind.

    [–]kiron327 8 points9 points ago

    Crane thought Ra's was going to ransom the city. He did it partially for the money and partially out of fear for Ra's al Ghul.

    [–]RikF 1 point2 points ago

    Oh yes, when we get to meet him in the film. But I got the impression that the good, mad, Doctor had been enjoying his control over people for a long time before that. Ra's wouldn't have created him, he'd have used one of Gotham's resident sociopaths.

    [–]Elrode 2 points3 points ago

    Isn't Crane the brain guy from Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles?

    [–]doomgoblin 30 points31 points ago

    Thats krang. From dimension x

    [–]Elrode 5 points6 points ago

    I thought that was the thing you climbed on Global Guts.

    [–]foreignsky 9 points10 points ago

    That's the Agro Crag.

    [–]sentimentalpirate 0 points1 point ago

    Well, he made the fear toxin from the flower, so I don't see how he could be doing exactly what he was doing before Ra's.

    [–]kareemabduljabbq 10 points11 points ago

    Crane was in it for the manipulation. For the power over people that his ability to invoke fear gave him. Ra's was a symbol for the idea that humanity is doomed to its nature, that it cannot overcome it and find harmony, so in order to preserve a balance, they must from time to time, be purged.

    Remember, in Rises, Ra's appears only as an apparition, it's not entirely clear whether he's actually alive or whether he is just manifestation of Wayne's imagination. He is the ever-present fear that all is lost, and that humanity has no hope.

    I would agree that he's a lot more like "cleansing", but of in a more general sense. He's in favor of cleansing gotham and not any particular minority group or specific group.

    I see him basically as Old Testament Christian God. Things are not working so i will periodically wipe you out, only for the cycle to begin anew.

    [–]MichaelJayDog 2 points3 points ago

    I ride around on a horse and scare people all the time, all in the name of science.

    [–]GrumioSwag 0 points1 point ago

    Ra's said Crane thought it was to hold the city for ransom, so he did it for money.

    [–]Pretentious_Douche 81 points82 points ago

    Fred Durst did it all for the nookie.

    [–]IndifferentRedditor 25 points26 points ago

    SO YOU CAN TAKE THAT COOKIE

    [–]Lawsuitup 12 points13 points ago

    AND STICK IT IN YOUR YEAH!

    [–]BusinessCasualty 1 point2 points ago

    pinch harmonic

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        [–]sage_of_majic 29 points30 points ago

        Mr. Freeze did it for love.

        [–]RoyallyTenenbaumed 26 points27 points ago

        As hokey as it might be, I would like to see Nolan's Mr. Freeze. He was always a cool villain (no pun intended), and I like his back story.

        [–]Damodaru 4 points5 points ago

        I think that of the directors that have given us Batman films, the one who could have actually done amazing things with Freeze would have been Tim Burton. The Fries/Freeze character seems like something that's so much up his alley, very Vincent Price/Dr Phibes-esque. I get a real 90's Burton vibe when I think about it.

        [–]RoyallyTenenbaumed 0 points1 point ago

        Very true. I would like to see both versions.

        [–]Felipe_O 3 points4 points ago

        if they did his story like the heart of ice episode on the batman series i would be all in.

        [–]RoyallyTenenbaumed 1 point2 points ago

        Dat Batman series...so good. So many fond memories of watching that on TV.

        [–]giever 4 points5 points ago

        Although it probably wouldn't really work, as too many people associate him with well-known characters (and he's too old now), I always thought that Christopher Lloyd would make an awesome Mr. Freeze. He's pretty skinny, and his voice reminds me so much of Mr. Freezes voice from Batman The Animated Series. Just add that kind of echo-y reverb effect.

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          [–]halfmetalalchemist 21 points22 points ago

          I think "He did it for justice" would fit Two-face better.

          [–]SeaBearPA 57 points58 points ago

          "He did it because it was fair"

          [–]anusface 9 points10 points ago

          What happened to Rachel wasn't chance. We decided to act!

          [–]tg2387 7 points8 points ago

          "Then why was I the only one who lost everything?"

          [–]anusface 6 points7 points ago

          you weren't

          [–]drodjan 14 points15 points ago

          I watched that movie too!

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            [–]Toastfighter 289 points290 points ago

            The Joker did it more to show that the true face of people was anarchy, the same for Bane, actually, albeit to a longer, more drawn out, worse done point.

            [–]Dr_Wreck 260 points261 points ago

            The joker does it to show that the true face of people was anarchy. Bane did it to show that the true face of people is evil.

            The league of shadows thinks society is inherently 'bad', while the Joker believed that society was 'false', or bullshitting itself.

            So far as the recent movies are concerned anyway.

            [–]blaghart 24 points25 points ago

            Last I checked the joker did it to show the true state of people was anarchy, while bane incited anarchy to bring about the destruction of Gotham in the same sort of "gotham eats itself" way that ra's al ghul did.

            [–]anusface 44 points45 points ago

            Some have even gone so far as to say Bane was there to fulfill Ra's al Ghul's destiny.

            [–]tg2387 15 points16 points ago

            Please cite your source. I don't see how you justify that claim.

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              [–]underthewhether 24 points25 points ago

              Bane's anarchy... Where kill squads patrol the streets, no one is allowed to leave, and a death tribunal doles out "justice."

              You need a lesson in anarchy, my friend.

              [–]blaghart 3 points4 points ago

              well for one that's not anarchy in the true sense of the word because there is a government. death tribunal and all that.

              The other is the fact that bane USES that as a cover for the nuclear bomb. He's drowning the city just like his predecessor did, cause the city to turn on itself by releasing the worst thing at his disposal into it, before finally killing it for good.

              If Ra's plan was to infect the city with rabies until it killed itself, Bane's was to infect the city with rabies and then shoot it in the head.

              Because after Batman's success over the league their honor was tarnished, so it was as much about wiping out the lies and sin of gotham as it was breaking their savior.

              [–]Forestisinthetrees 3 points4 points ago

              I personally think his representation was more of what would happen if malicious people are placed into an anarchist society. They rape, loot, and pillage until they run everything, Mad Max style.

              [–]VividVermette 1 point2 points ago

              Fascism!

              [–]LifeIsSufferingBitch 32 points33 points ago

              Bane & Co. were more focused on hierarchy and wealth disparity being evil.

              [–]TThor 65 points66 points ago

              I don't think Bane himself cared about wealth disparity, so much as he used it as fuel to drive his followers

              [–]trsn 28 points29 points ago

              If I understood it correctly, he did it out of 1) his love for Talia, and 2) his wish to prove himself a worthy successor of Ra'as al Ghul.

              [–]JamesJFresh 23 points24 points ago

              Also, Bane wasn't in love with Talia romantically. It was like a fatherly love. He was her protector in the prison as a child, and after the death of her father.

              [–]ZiggyOnMars 4 points5 points ago

              Their relationship was so much like the Leon The Professional

              [–]scorpion347 4 points5 points ago

              No... he just wanted to help her prove herself a decent heir.

              [–]Carpathicus 0 points1 point ago

              Bane doesn't make any sense and is a poorly written character. Remember that he was born in that prison and all his worldviews are based on this experience? Well turns out he was just some bloke helping a little girl.

              [–]Citizen_Snip 2 points3 points ago

              Bane didn't do it to show people. He already knew people were evil. He did it for revenge. He knew people were evil, and they would tear themselves apart. The same people Batman devoted his life for. It was all torture for one person.

              [–]Carpathicus 1 point2 points ago

              Revenge? Could you elaborate on that?

              [–]DM818 0 points1 point ago

              The joker is pretty much Holden from The Catcher in the Rye.

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                [–]DeNovoHope 15 points16 points ago

                It's not about money, it's about sending a message.

                [–]EsteemedGentleman 52 points53 points ago

                "I'm like a dog chasing cars. I wouldn't know what to do with it if I caught it. I just do things."

                He does it for fun and the thrill.

                [–]TThor 33 points34 points ago

                or atleast that's what he told Harvey, to convince him to lash out on the world.

                [–]kentrado 22 points23 points ago

                Does he really look like a guy with a plan? Some men just like to watch the world burn.

                [–]DecentCriminal 43 points44 points ago

                A man with no plan? When he's going after Harvey in the police truck he has plans and backup plans, with a bomb in his follower and blowing up Rachel or Harvey, just in case he got caught.

                Then at the end when his 2 boat plan fails he still has psycho Harvey as a backup. The Joker is not just a planner but a master planner.

                [–]S1d3w4yZ 9 points10 points ago

                Oh he's a brilliant planner, but there's no end he's working towards, no overarching goal. He's in it for shits, giggles, and expensive purple suits.

                [–]scorpion347 4 points5 points ago

                But a master planner who doesn't have much more of a goal than "watching the world burn."

                [–]magicaltrevor953 1 point2 points ago

                If you really want to watch the world burn, you have to plan ahead to ensure you can deal with those who try to extinguish it.

                [–]raypaulnoams 2 points3 points ago

                Interestingly, all his plans in the movie turn out to be 'batman gambits', where all his plans rely on predicting the actions of others.

                You can check it out on TVtropes yourself, I wont leave a link for those with small willpower to resist blue letters. It's a fucking work night and I know those people.

                [–]contramundi 2 points3 points ago

                Thank you. You're a nice person.

                ...I'm not.

                [–]Keyserchief 3 points4 points ago

                But he just does things.

                [–]crackshot91 5 points6 points ago

                Planning is a thing. :D

                [–]Keyserchief 6 points7 points ago

                http://i.imgur.com/yl3qg.jpg

                [–]crackshot91 5 points6 points ago

                :3

                [–]Keyserchief 5 points6 points ago

                >:(

                [–]SLICK_EDITOR 3 points4 points ago

                He planned shit yes. But he didn't have a "goal". There was no plan. He had no motives other than lulz.

                Of course to achieve lulz he has to plan some sub-anarchy.

                [–]mlpThrowawaytv 7 points8 points ago

                He said that to save his life and "flip" Harvey Dent. It's true that the mob wanted to kill Dent, and Dawes, and the judge, and the commissioner, and everyone who wasn't corrupt, but that doesn't mean the Joker was strictly doing it for the mob or even following the mob's plans. He incorporated the mob's plans into his own plans–"It's not about money... it's about sending a message. Everything burns!" And by "everything burns" he actually means "I can burn everything."

                See, the Joker is an egomaniac:

                • "This is my city."
                • "If you are good at something, don't do it for free."
                • "I'll show you, when the chips are down, these... these civilized people? They'll eat each other. See, I'm not a monster, I'm just ahead of the curve."

                By convincing himself that everyone is like him, he also puts himself "ahead of the curve", better than everyone else, and he proves he's good at it by making the mob pay him to do it, and after he succeeds Gotham becomes his.

                "Doing it for the lulz" is feeding your ego.

                [–]Nabonidus3 2 points3 points ago

                I wouldn't say he wanted to make Gotham his. As you said, he thinks everyone is like him but they're just afraid to admit it. He wants to prove to the world that the world is a place of chaos and anarchy. He just wants to watch the world burn. He doesn't want to control it. He just wants to "free" it.

                [–]StaticSabre 7 points8 points ago

                The Joker is a master manipulator; he told Harvey what Harvey wanted to hear. The Joker does what he does because he believes the world is just as insane as he is, and all it takes is a bad day for somebody to be pushed over the edge into insanity. It's why he's obsessed with Batman, because both of them went through really traumatic experiences, but Batman wasn't exactly pushed over the edge like the Joker was. The Joker is out to prove that he can screw Batman over so much that he pushes Batman over the edge and forces him to break his one rule by killing the Joker.

                [–]silverfire56 1 point2 points ago

                Thank you! This is exactly what i wanted to say in a much nicer looking package.

                [–]Flangas 3 points4 points ago

                He does it to incite chaos. Christopher Nolan intentionally never showed the Joker's background in order to make him an idea. His whole role is to represent chaos.

                Think about it. The whole talk at the hospital gives Dent the chance to kill Joker because the Joker knows that even if Dent kills him he will go on to become the villain of the story, rather than the hero, the white knight, of Gotham. And in the end, even when the Joker is caught he still wins. He forces Batman to go into hiding because he managed to make Dent/Two-Face embrace the chaos.

                [–]Toastfighter 4 points5 points ago

                Nowhere in that line does he say that he does it for fun. I think that you could also easily apply that line to him attempting to prove, to put it in general terms, the "facade of society". He doesn't know why he wants to prove the prevalence of anarchy, he just does, and has no idea what he would do once he has.

                [–]denizenKRIM 12 points13 points ago

                I think it can be debated whether Bane actually stood for any of the things he did in the film. The history of him being cast out by Ra's and having a strong love for Talia, could easily be interpreted as Bane fulfilling Talia's own personal wishes.

                Talia even repeats the "depths of your failure" line to Bruce, that Bane spouted out earlier in the Pit. With his unknown past and monster-esque portrayal, there's a strong indication he was living vicariously through the only person that ever showed him compassion.

                [–]cubicplains 2 points3 points ago

                He did it to send a message.

                [–]lolrsk8s_2 9 points10 points ago

                I disagree.

                Him doing it 'for the lulz' makes him a psychopath which is much more disturbing. It fits with his persona in the movie.

                Doing it to 'show the true face of people' is juvenile in a 'so edgy' kind of way.

                [–]I_cut_my_own_jib 58 points59 points ago

                "I try to show the schemers how pathetic their attempts to control things really are." -The Joker

                [–]G0nePhishin 29 points30 points ago

                You blow up one little hospital and everyone LOSSES THEIR MIND!!

                [–]fenrir_darkwolf 19 points20 points ago

                Bitches you both is pretty.

                [–]ontopic 2 points3 points ago

                This guy knows how to deal with the bitches.

                [–]Descriptivista 4 points5 points ago

                You mean loses.

                [–]denizenKRIM 4 points5 points ago

                You can't trust anything he tells anyone in that film. He was the most scheming person of that entire narrative. The speeches were tailor-fitted to either instill fear or evoke an intended reaction.

                His talk with Harvey was one bold-faced lie in front of another. He was just so damn convincing. Joker knows it, and he uses it to "guide" people to their own demise.

                [–]Zeno_Bro 32 points33 points ago

                I think The Joker feigning insanity as a tool of a calculating mastermind is far more chilling.

                [–]phenomenomnom 30 points31 points ago

                i think not knowing whether he is insane or not is the most chillingest.

                [–]Darth2132 13 points14 points ago

                I find a dude with scars and clown make-up on, holding a knife to my throat the chillingest.

                [–]a_creeep_a_weeirdooo 25 points26 points ago

                I find an ice core pyrex dildo pressed against the prostate mid-orgasm is the chillingeriest.

                [–]dr_professor_patrick 5 points6 points ago

                What now?

                [–]thesacred 17 points18 points ago

                RIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIICOLLAAAAAAAA

                [–]dr_professor_patrick 6 points7 points ago

                Well that clears things up.

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                      [–]Imhere4lulz 0 points1 point ago

                      So it wasn't for the lulz :(

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                        [–]Lawd_of_Spoons 13 points14 points ago

                        It's not about the lulz. It's about sending a message.

                        [–]anyone_for_tennis 2 points3 points ago

                        everything burns

                        [–]EdgAre11ano 3 points4 points ago

                        well someone had to say it

                        [–]kenba2099 14 points15 points ago

                        http://i.chzbgr.com/completestore/2008/9/17/128661094807130181.jpg

                        [–]FlatlanderMachine 18 points19 points ago

                        Bane didn't have a point. He did it because someone told him to.

                        "BECAUSE YOU TOLD ME TOOOO." - Patrick

                        [–]Gabygz 2 points3 points ago

                        I agree with you on this. Otherwise, it would be difficult to figure out this guy's motivation. He is basically like the guy from the plane that sacrificed himself, following an order.

                        [–]FlatlanderMachine 2 points3 points ago

                        SPOILERS

                        But the whole reasoning behind the League of Shadows was that Gotham was so corrupt that the only way to cleanse it would be to destroy it. During the time period they were in, they kept talking about how crime was at an all time low and how they finally locked everyone up, aka cleansed the city without killing anyone. So they decide to destroy it anyway? The movie was cool but the motive was lacking.

                        [–]GentlemenQuinn 3 points4 points ago

                        I think it ended up being more about revenge (for Talia) then actually 'cleansing' the city. I think she just used that as an excuse.

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                          [–]lasergummybear 0 points1 point ago

                          By the end of the movie, Nolan's Bane isn't very different from Schumacher's take on the character. He was ultimately just the muscle. But this time for Talia instead of Poison Ivy.

                          [–]Ricardotron 7 points8 points ago

                          The Joker is supersane. He's insane, but when you wrap your head around his motives and what he says, it actually makes sense.

                          [–]EdgAre11ano 1 point2 points ago

                          "supersane". I like that

                          [–]SubtleMockery 2 points3 points ago

                          It's from the "Arkham Asylum" graphic novel.

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                            [–]webchimp32 47 points48 points ago

                            It's one of the things that bugged me about the second film, Two-Face didn't really do anything much.

                            [–]MrNameless 62 points63 points ago

                            I think they focused more on his birth than his super villain antics.

                            [–]clydefrog811 103 points104 points ago

                            They used him to prove jokers point.

                            [–]JamesJFresh 10 points11 points ago

                            And even if they didn't, realistically, Harvey would have been dead in like a month from an infection or something.

                            [–]clydefrog811 7 points8 points ago

                            Oh definitely, probably sooner than that.

                            [–]cowpunter 7 points8 points ago

                            You mean skin is important?

                            [–]Eats_Beef_Steak 25 points26 points ago

                            Then they pushed him off a ledge...

                            [–]scorpion347 8 points9 points ago

                            Hey look a super vil-...... and it's gone.

                            [–]bobthecookie 1 point2 points ago

                            Batman: Oh look, another super villain. Fuck that

                            [–]kareemabduljabbq 51 points52 points ago

                            in short, he broke. He was the human embodiment of Justice within the bounds of the institutional system it worked in, the hope that it could work if only someone embraced it unyielding.

                            He was the weakness of Justice. That it is practiced by humans. That it has limits and flaws, and that individuals with high principles can break, and be coaxed to do dark things.

                            Instead of breaking completely he instead uses a more simplistic "eye for an eye" approach to justice. His coin is a rigged coin too, which is also important, it only has heads on both sides. it is only after it is marred by fire that you can tell the sides apart.

                            Although he is motivated to take this approach to Justice because of the personal, and emotional loss of his love, Rachel, he shows how badly broken he is in the final scene, where he flips the coin to decide the fate of another innocent, Gordon's son, completely forgetting that he was motivated by his innocent fiancee. He is compelled to make a decision in which his humanity has no play. He is lost.

                            The Joker is a state of nature. Two face is Justice without its humanity. The Batman is Justice without institutional boundaries.

                            Thusly, The Batman takes the ultimate surveillance tool and gives it to Fox, to destroy. Because the Batman refuses to become the sole dictator of right and wrong, and instead cedes it back to institutions and people.

                            Dent is a symbol, like the Batman. Batman and Gordon decide to preserve the concept of Justice, by covering up Harvey's death, and taking the blame himself.

                            [–]stillnotking 12 points13 points ago

                            I see your point, but OTOH it rarely works well to focus on multiple villains. The role of Two-Face was basically to be created by the Joker and reinforce the main story.

                            [–]SilentOneEye 14 points15 points ago

                            Which is quite depressing because they could of easily spun it to where he was the next villain.

                            [–]Timett_son_of_Timett 31 points32 points ago

                            I liked that he was minor. His character served as a symbol and launch pad for the next movie. While I really wanted him to have more time as a villain I can understand and appreciate the grace in the direction they chose. yea?

                            [–]denizenKRIM 3 points4 points ago

                            It would be better to refrain from comparing it to the comics, as well as trying to look at it as an attempt to portray Harvey as a villain. For all intents and purposes, his entire arc was to push the "fallen hero" angle that was heavily hinted at.

                            [–]EdgAre11ano 0 points1 point ago

                            "tragic anti-hero" actually

                            [–]Guido_Cavalcante 0 points1 point ago

                            Didn't do anything? Remember the beginning of the film where they were trying to take down Salvatore Maroni, the head of the Italian mob? Well, Two-Face / Harvey Dent just solved that problem via car accidents. PLUS uncovering two corrupt police officers.

                            [–]evilpoptart 43 points44 points ago

                            That's exactly why the Joker is the scariest villain.

                            [–]Awful_Antagonist 47 points48 points ago

                            Apparently the Scarecrow once tried to use his fear gas on the Joker.

                            The Joker promptly hit him with a chair.

                            [–]anusface 16 points17 points ago

                            That was in the Knightfall series which concluded with Bane breaking Batman's back. Bane released all of the inmates of Arkham and Scarecrow and Joker teamed up (Joker was an asshole and Scarecrow tried to teach him about fear). That's why I think if Heath Ledger was still alive the Joker would have made at least a cameo in TDKR.

                            [–]ByJiminy 30 points31 points ago

                            Nolan had mentioned that the Joker was going to figure prominently in the third film had Ledger not died.

                            [–]JediMasterSam 40 points41 points ago

                            Fuck that depresses me.

                            [–]Jzadek 3 points4 points ago

                            Yeah, I mean can you imagine how excited he would be in Bane's new order?

                            [–]Felipe_O 0 points1 point ago

                            is that the one where batman has to put cocky robin in his place?

                            [–]dr_professor_patrick 7 points8 points ago

                            Oddly enough I find your comment the funniest of all.

                            [–]bobthecookie 3 points4 points ago

                            Just imagine it.

                            Scarecrow: Time to learn about fear! spray

                            Joker: nonchalantly stands up and hits crane in the face with a chair. No, fuck you

                            [–]evilpoptart 3 points4 points ago

                            You can't scare crazy.

                            [–]scorpion347 6 points7 points ago

                            What if we use sane gas first?

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                              [–]zbrasseur1 36 points37 points ago

                              He just doesn't give a shit. There's no point in negotiating with him.

                              [–]evilpoptart 9 points10 points ago

                              Seriously, all the other villains in this series of movies had motives that could be understood. You could wrap your brain around them, even if they were sick. But the Joker is pure Darwinian chaos. He's like Randal Flagg from the Stand, no purpose but to balance order with disorder.

                              [–]KaiokenX10 9 points10 points ago

                              Yes. Thank you for the Stand reference.

                              [–]evilpoptart 2 points3 points ago

                              Who the fuck is that?

                              [–]flippyippy 6 points7 points ago

                              Ryan from The Office.

                              [–]davepople 1 point2 points ago

                              I prefer to call him Walter o'Dim

                              [–]StaticSabre 1 point2 points ago

                              The Joker does have a purpose though. He wants to prove that the world is just as crazy as he is, and that all it takes is a bad day to turn somebody into another Joker.

                              [–]Wisdom_from_the_Ages 6 points7 points ago

                              And then we do a subliminal tie-in with the war on terror and we're good.

                              [–]Chrono68 4 points5 points ago

                              The Joker doesn't care. The Joker doesn't give a shit.

                              [–]NolanVoid 1 point2 points ago

                              Nope

                              [–]whoami9 1 point2 points ago

                              "Some men just want to watch the world burn."

                              [–]Imhere4lulz 0 points1 point ago

                              I agree

                              [–]Jubtron 6 points7 points ago

                              It's not about revenge. It's about what's fair.

                              [–]hammsandwich 7 points8 points ago

                              Pretty sure Bane did it as a lapdog of Talia al Ghul.

                              [–]NewOpinion 1 point2 points ago

                              Everyone is forgetting that part. Bane did it for love or devotion or loyalty. If he wanted to cleanse the entire world, he wouldn't blow himself up in Gotham. Talia did it for revenge as well, though.

                              [–]xseanathonx 16 points17 points ago

                              Me and my friends had a huge argument about if joker or bane was more evil. My argument was that the joker was more evil, because bane was trying to cleanse the city and accomplish a goal, while the joker was just out to terrorize.

                              [–]JD_Crichton 46 points47 points ago

                              Bane did it for a woman actually. You can try and pretend the last 20 minutes of the film didnt happen. BUT IT DID.

                              [–]Awful_Antagonist 12 points13 points ago

                              I actually enjoyed the introduction of Talia in the Nolan Universe.

                              It's the last couple of minutes that was pretty much WTF!

                              [–]bigshot937 4 points5 points ago

                              Were Bane and Talia (in dkr) trying to cleanse Gotham by destroying it? If so why did they fart around with the bomb for so long? Or were they trying to empower the weak and oppressed by overthrowing the powerful? If so, why were they going to blow them up anyway?

                              The Joker doing it for the lulz seems so much more sane than whatever was motivating Bane and Talia.

                              [–]ForTheWilliams 2 points3 points ago

                              Bane and Talia really annoyed me, actually. I was really looking forward this this movie, and their motivations, reasoning, and characters largely made me wish I was watching a different movie.

                              I was really hoping for a conflict between Batman the superhero and Bane the vigilante, a conflict of ends and means. :/

                              [–]EdgAre11ano 0 points1 point ago

                              They wanted to quarantine and purge Gotham before the filth spread to the rest of the world

                              [–]bigshot937 2 points3 points ago

                              If they were trying to prevent the spread of filth, why not just blow Gotham up and be done with it?

                              [–]scragar 1 point2 points ago

                              It was about revenge for her father, Batman killed him, what better way to get revenge than to force him to watch everything he fought for to decay and unravel at his own hands(he could have destroyed the reactor before it ever became a weapon).

                              [–]Toastfighter 9 points10 points ago

                               I don't think it would be correct to qualify either of them as distinctly more "evil" than the other.

                              The Joker's goal in TDK isn't to cause people misery, it's to show that order is a facade that can easily be broken, at which he is ultimately proven wrong when neither boat decides to pull the trigger. He isn't out to specifically hurt anyone, just to prove them wrong. Bane on the other hand is just following Talia, honestly. She wants to continue her fathers work, although boosting it up to a more gargantuan scale. Raz wanted to destroy a part of Gotham, which he viewed as corrupt. Talia wanted to show that these "terrible" people who she also viewed as corrupt would, if left to their own devices, would turn the city into a writhing mass of anarchy and terror, then show it off to the world, then finally be cleansed in atomic fire. She wanted to make an example out of them, to show what could happen if corruption was left unhindered.

                              [–]skytro 4 points5 points ago

                              Joker did it to show people their true nature

                              [–]ZiggyOnMars 0 points1 point ago

                              ...and for the lulz

                              [–]WateryPenisButter 5 points6 points ago

                              Can someone tell me which movie the picture of Cillian Murphy was taken in?

                              [–]mckelroy88 7 points8 points ago

                              I believe that is Batman Begins.

                              [–]WateryPenisButter 6 points7 points ago

                              Thanks!

                              [–]scorpion347 3 points4 points ago

                              I like you... you respond to everyone who answered you instead of just the first. I now actually have more than one up-vote to give.

                              [–]WateryPenisButter 3 points4 points ago

                              Those who help deserve recognition. Also even if 100 replied I would have kept saying thanks because it was fun.

                              [–]tt3344 2 points3 points ago

                              what is th emost overrated vegetable

                              [–]WateryPenisButter 2 points3 points ago

                              A mechanic, but that's beside the point. Thanks so much!

                              [–]RoyallyTenenbaumed 5 points6 points ago

                              Batman Begins, me thinks.

                              [–]WateryPenisButter 7 points8 points ago

                              Thank you!

                              [–]RoyallyTenenbaumed 2 points3 points ago

                              No problem, WateryPenisButter!

                              ...ಠ_ಠ

                              [–]WateryPenisButter 2 points3 points ago

                              Have a good day :P

                              [–]SlickTricks 5 points6 points ago

                              Batman Begins

                              [–]WateryPenisButter 6 points7 points ago

                              Awesome! Thank-you!

                              [–]kshell11724 3 points4 points ago

                              The Joker has no motive. He is like a natural disaster.

                              [–]tg2387 7 points8 points ago

                              He's like a dog chasing cars. He wouldnt know what to do with one when he caught it.

                              [–]PapaBee 4 points5 points ago

                              Joker didn't do it for the "lulz"

                              He did it to prove a point. He wanted to prove to Batman, that any man, has the capability to commit absolute evil in the face of chaos. Batman believes that justice will prevail before all man, that with order, man will always chose justice. He believed that Gotham was corrupted and he aimed to route it toward the path of justice.

                              That's why every Batman needs a Joker and why they can never kill each other. Because the act of killing Joker would prove Joker's point while if Joker kills Batman, he has no one to prove his point to. Thus, Joker continues to target those around Batman (See Jason Todd), but never Batman himself. He could never bring himself to end him, because Joker has no end to his means without Bruce.

                              Edit: Further elaborated.

                              [–]coolunderfire 2 points3 points ago

                              Bane: "I did it for the girl!"

                              [–]Flangas 1 point2 points ago

                              Joker does it to incite chaos.

                              Think about it. The whole talk at the hospital gives Dent the chance to kill Joker because the Joker knows that even if Dent kills him he will go on to become the villain of the story, rather than the hero, the white knight, of Gotham. And in the end, even when the Joker is caught he still wins. He forces Batman to go into hiding because he manages to make Dent/Two-Face embrace the chaos. If he was really in it for the "lulz", or less colloquially for the "thrill", then his plans would be much more self-preservation oriented.

                              [–]parkertonsloanworth 2 points3 points ago

                              Cat woman did it for bat dick...

                              [–]moving-target 7 points8 points ago

                              The Joker is 4Chan.

                              [–]Esc4p3 4 points5 points ago

                              Two face starts out as Wikipedia, but turns into lemonparty.com

                              [–]SLICK_EDITOR 12 points13 points ago

                              .org

                              [–]brokeassgradstudent 1 point2 points ago

                              I do it for the drugs

                              [–]slumberday -1 points0 points ago

                              Joker is Lulzsec... are they even around anymore?

                              [–]natertot007 0 points1 point ago

                              Tyga did it for the ratchets.

                              [–]Kreivi 1 point2 points ago

                              What I really enjoy about Batman villains is their underlying, deeper (and mostly twisted) motives.

                              Batman does not really explain his motive, but it doesn't take much to analyze his dedication for justice. It is a pure philosophy where the wrong-doers are stopped from interfering with the do-gooders, all while sparing the lives of -everyone-.

                              Batman was born in a world of darkness and abuse of power and money. He put a quick stop to this, but as a side effect gave birth to more of his own kind.

                              All the villains have a similar -in terms of dedication- motive. And many could be classified with a psychological disorder (some are obsessive-compulsive, homicidal, schizophrenic, depressed) and many with a history of abuse to make up for it.

                              [–]TardisMechanic 1 point2 points ago

                              Never go up against a man who is in it only for the "Lulz"

                              [–]MyinnerGoddes -1 points0 points ago

                              Made me lol

                              [–]wellnhoferia 0 points1 point ago

                              I will do it because you used black text color.

                              [–]TheBobbyLean -1 points0 points ago

                              I don't think Scarecrow is right...didn't he do it because fuck it...I CAN

                              [–]ZiggyOnMars 0 points1 point ago

                              The Joker was a 4chan user......

                              [–]Mobius01010 -1 points0 points ago

                              Stupid director. Lulz ain't a virtue... ?

                              [–]JamesDauphrey -1 points0 points ago

                              And that is why the Joker is the best Batman villain.

                              [–]mrdoink20 0 points1 point ago

                              Sounds like a Limp Bizket song.

                              [–]gabora 0 points1 point ago

                              Joker: the 4chan of Batman villains. I suppose that means reddit is Catwoman...

                              [–]Feynx 0 points1 point ago

                              Joker did it for respect, is what I got out of the second movie. To elevate criminals to a new level in Gotham instead of petty, scared, crooks.

                              [–]Thomassn 1 point2 points ago

                              Raj did it for balance not peace

                              [–]DrPamelaIsley 1 point2 points ago

                              I did it for the plants

                              [–]WreckerCrew 1 point2 points ago

                              Bane - I did it for the chick.

                              [–]monkeyfoo 0 points1 point ago

                              for joker if it was the comic or tv version of the joker then i would agree. the dark knight joker did it to stir up choas and prove a point about humanities nature. He had his goals.

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