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[–]junkeee999 42 points43 points ago

Capitalizing God is not a statement on whether you believe in God. It's just grammar. You capitalize proper nouns, even if they are fictitious. By capitalizing Santa Claus you are not advocating for his existence.

[–]BankerWhoLeavesAt420 1 point2 points ago

if you're talking about the Christian God, then yes. But if you're saying god as in deity, then you don't.

[–]Anonymous3542 0 points1 point ago

That's because other gods don't use "god" as a name, so it's not a proper noun. For example, if you were to say "the Christian god," then you're referring to his status as a deity, and not his name (thus, not capitalized.) If you were to say "I don't believe in God," then you're specifying the Christian god using his name. You could argue that technically his name is Yahweh, but from a grammatical perspective it doesn't matter so long as you are using "God" as a name.

[–]BankerWhoLeavesAt420 -2 points-1 points ago

that's wrong. let's say you're an american named bob. would you say that American guy bob? no. If you say I don't believe in god, the g isn't capitalized because you haven't specified that you're talking about the Christian God, you can be talking about any monotheistic religion.

[–]Anonymous3542 0 points1 point ago

What? Bob is a name. It doesn't stop being a name when you add "American guy" to it, so it's always capitalized. I think you're missing the distinction between God as a name and god as a status. "He is God." vs. "He is a god." I'll admit it's a little confusing because the Christian god is a god AND uses it as a name (or at least his followers use it that way).

If you say "I don't believe in God" then it must be capitalized because that's his name, not because he's the Christian god. If you were to say "I don't believe in a god," or even "the god," it's not capitalized because the "god" in this sense is the word, not the name.

Let's take a non-religious example. The exact same rules apply to "dad" and "mom."

If you were to say "I love my mom," then you're just referring to her by her position as a mom instead of by her name, so it's not capitalized. If you were to say "Hey Mom, look at this," actually calling her "Mom," then it's capitalized because you're substituting that for her name. "Mom" isn't actually her name, of course, but that's what you are calling her by, so it's a proper noun. Same applies to other family names, nicknames, etc. In the same way, "God" isn't his actual name, but that's what people call him, so it's a proper noun.

[–]skeptix 61 points62 points ago

When referring to a god, you do not capitalize, because it is just a noun.

When referring to "God" of the Christian creation myth, you capitalize because it is a proper noun.

[–]CakeSmasher 19 points20 points ago

I capitalise the God of Christianity.

Because people have names.

Even fictional people.

[–]Capercaillie 3 points4 points ago

Exactly. And if the word "god" is at the beginning of a sentence, you're most likely referring to that god (you know, God), since if you were referring to gods in general, it'd be "A god," or "The gods," or "Some gods," or some such.

[–]Owlsrule12 2 points3 points ago

I never intentionally capitalize, even for the christian. If my phone automatically capitalized the first letter of a sentence, I leave it. Youre correct though

[–]dustyskulls -5 points-4 points ago

*You're

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[–]Tonytarium 0 points1 point ago

Its irrelevant, you capitalize the names of celestial beings.

[–]09112001 -3 points-2 points ago

But see, I never refer to the Christian deity as "God" because it's actually a title — his real name is Yahweh.

Problem solved, and it also educates people about the fact that "Almighty God" is really just another deity with a name, like Zeus or Thor.

[–]stewedyeti 0 points1 point ago

That may be the case if you're Jewish, in which case there are several ways to refer to God, but a fair amount of Catholics and the vast majority of Protestants don't use the name Yahweh. Regardless, both Yahweh and God are proper nouns. You don't write nicknames without capitalization, do you?

[–]09112001 0 points1 point ago

Regardless, both Yahweh and God are proper nouns.

Absolutely, no argument there. I just prefer to avoid referring to the Christian deity with the title "God", which gives credence to the notion that he is somehow superior to all of the other, "lesser" gods. If for some reason I must use the title, I do capitalize it appropriately.

[–]stewedyeti 1 point2 points ago

I've come to think of it this way: You don't capitalize "gods" simply because that is referring to a category or class of something, not something specific like you would do when referring to "God". For example, one would capitalize the word "Queen" when referring to one specific queen, but "queens" when referring to a group of them. Actually, if you think about it, if you're specifically referring to the gods from other mythologies you would treat the name of that collective group as a proper noun as well, i.e. Twelve Olympians for the Greek pantheon, or Æsir for the Norse gods (although I've seen that word used in lowercase, too).

[–]Darkelement 29 points30 points ago

honestly? it takes a real stubborn person to have this problem. its proper grammar for one, as well as it IS a proper noun. if you're talking about Thor, you capitalize it because it is a proper noun. same with God.

EDIT: a lot of people are commenting saying that it isn't a proper noun. im just going to link you to dictionary.com's definition of a proper noun. http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/proper+noun

also don't debate me saying that you would capitalize Allah or Radha because they are actual names of gods, God is what christians call their deity, it is his name.

[–]DangerousIdeas 14 points15 points ago

I am going to NOT capitalize the "G" in God! Yea, that will show them!

[–]Darkelement 1 point2 points ago

more than likely they will think you just have bad grammar.

[–]Sad_Monk 16 points17 points ago

I came here to say the exact thing. OP's is a 12 yo.

[–]froop 1 point2 points ago

I try to refer to him as 'a god' or 'the christian god' or 'your god'. Never 'God'. But, no force on earth will ever make me capitalize 'him' (unless by some miracle it's head of a sentence). That's just plain incorrect.

[–]squigs 1 point2 points ago

Meh. I just refer to him as God and don't let religion dominate my life.

Let it go. It helps nobody and just causes problems for you.

[–]Darkelement -1 points0 points ago

hes still a proper noun buddy. you can not believe in him all you want but we capitalize fictional characters too.

[–]froop 2 points3 points ago

Yeah, except in this case it's not a proper noun, buddy.

[–]Darkelement 0 points1 point ago

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/proper+noun

a noun that is used to denote a particular person, place, or thing, as Lincoln, Sarah, Pittsburgh, and Carnegie Hall.>

well, God is a particular person as much as Harry Potter is.

[–]froop 0 points1 point ago

Context. Imagine a country named Country. "I live in a country named Country". Do you capitalize country every time you say "In my country...", just because your country's name is Country? Fuck no.

God is a god named God. If I call him 'a god', 'god' is no longer a proper noun. If I say "Hey, it's God!", suddenly it's a proper noun again.

"I worship a god"

"I worship God"

I sincerely hope you never graduated high school English.

[–]Darkelement 0 points1 point ago

.... this is exactly what i said. there are many gods. but only one God. if you are referring to a specific god, it is a capital, if your referring to many gods, or an unspecific god, its lowercase. end of story.

oh, and of coarse context is everything, if a countries name is Country, you only call it Country when referring to it. you don't capitalize it every damn time you use the word. only when using it to describe THAT Country.

[–]froop 0 points1 point ago

Wrong, wrong, wrong! You only capitalize it when you are using its name. "I believe in the Christian god" is correct. I am not using 'god' as a name. "I live in the Countrian country" is exactly the same structure. "I believe in the Christian God" is as wrong as "I live in the Countrian Country".

I'm not going to continue this, because your posts are so staggeringly grammatically broken than you hardly qualify to discuss the subject.

[–]Darkelement -1 points0 points ago

than go argue with the english major that is also commenting on this post. however, christians don't call their god the Christian god. they call their god God. this isn't a religious debate, this is proper grammar.

also, "i live in Country" would be correct if you are referring to the name of your country. so, "Believe in god" would be correct if you are referring to the Christian god.

[–]tequilabagel 0 points1 point ago

Christians don't typically acknowledge the gods of others, particularly not on equal footing (e.g., saying, "the Christian god and the Muslim god"). What they call their god does not affect English grammar either.

"The Christian god" is absolutely correct (as opposed to "the Christian God"); you wouldn't write "the Muslim Allah" or "the ancient Egyptian Osiris" in the same context as what we mean by saying "the Christian god." Actually, when you say "the Christian God," you are implying that there is a thing called "God" who is not Christian (saying "the Filipino Harry Potter" implies that another Harry Potter, who is not Filipino, exists). That's not your intent, so it would be incorrect.

Like froop said, it's sort of hard to see where you are going with your discussion, or why we should trust your reasoning, when you are not observing the other rules of English capitalization -- such as capitalizing the first letter in a sentence.

Also, I think you misinterpreted froop's first comment:

I try to refer to him as 'a god' or 'the christian god' or 'your god'. Never 'God'. But, no force on earth will ever make me capitalize 'him' (unless by some miracle it's head of a sentence). That's just plain incorrect.

Here, you both agree about the first sentence. But what he is also saying is that he will not capitalize any pronouns referring to God. This is a common practice, e.g., God said His favorite meal was breakfast. This rule concerns capitalizing the hes, hims, etc. that refer to deities. He does not agree with that practice, and "he" and "him" are certainly not proper nouns, even when we follow the rule of capitalizing them when they refer to deities.

Seems like a bit of misunderstanding and, well, confusion of English grammar.

EDIT: buckwild comma placement whoa

[–]johnturkey 0 points1 point ago

No its not a proper noun but Aditi, Adityas, Ambika, Ananta (Shesha), Annapurna (Annapatni), Aruna, Ashvins, Balarama, Bhairavi, Brahma, Buddha, Dakini, Devi, Dharma, Dhisana, Durga, Dyaus, Ganesa (Ganesha), Ganga (Ganges), Garuda, Gauri, Gopis, Hanuman, Hari-Hara, Hulka Devi, Jagganath, Jyeshtha, Kama, Karttikeya, Krishna, Krtya, Kubera, Kubjika, Lakshmi or Laksmi, Manasha, Manu, Maya, Meru, Nagas, Nandi, Naraka, Nataraja, Nirriti, Parjanya, Parvati, Paurnamasi, Prithivi, Purusha, Radha, Rati, Ratri, Rudra, Sanjna, Sati, Shashti, Shatala, Sitala (Satala), Skanda, Sunrta, Surya, Svasti-devi, Tvashtar, Uma, Urjani, Vach, Varuna, Vayu, Vishnu (Avatars of Vishnu: Matsya; Kurma; Varaha; Narasinha; Vamana; Parasurama; Rama; Krishna; Buddha; Kalki), Vishvakarman, Yama, Sraddha are.

[–]Darkelement 2 points3 points ago

these are all names of other religions gods, why isn't the Christian god capitalized? as a christian who their god is. they will just say god. God is his name.

[–]LearnAlways 2 points3 points ago

His name is God.

[–]Darkelement 0 points1 point ago

JUst curious, does that actually matter? im not trying to be rude, id just like to know for next time.

[–]LearnAlways 0 points1 point ago

Oh it doesn't really matter to me. It's just the way you said "God is his name" it reminded me of the "his name is Robert Paulsen" scene in Fight Club for some reason so I responded with that thinking someone might catch onto my thinking and respond to me with "His name is Robert Paulsen." Basically, I'm an idiot.

But anyway, my thought on the subject is that if the Christian religion depicts their god as having the name God then he should be referred to as God. He is a god who goes by the name God. If people want to argue that the Christian god's name is not God then I suppose hey can capitalize some other name he goes by like Yahweh or whatever, I believe they would be wrong, however since it is established that one of the names of the Christian god is God.

As a person who has never believed in a god and never been at all religious. I just can't wait for the day when the majority of people aren't religious so the majority of people don't waste so much fucking time on this pointless shit. I've survived all 25 years of my life so far without religion and I am perfectly fine. God fucking dammit. :)

[–]Darkelement 0 points1 point ago

thank God you have some sense (hehe).everyone is trying to argue that God shouldnt be capitilized because there are many gods, they fail to see the difference. God is God. he is also a god. its so confusing.

[–]LibertariansLOL 0 points1 point ago

it takes a nerd with severe aspergers tbqh

[–]Capercaillie -4 points-3 points ago

Honestly? What kind of person makes a comment about proper grammar and capitalization, then doesn't capitalize his sentences properly?

[–]Darkelement 0 points1 point ago

Me? I'm calling OP a whiny bitch I never said MY grammar was good. What does it matter really? It's not like I'm purposefully making my grammar bad to make a point about God.

[–]Spicy_cherry_soda 8 points9 points ago

Hey God? Guess what! I didn't capitalize your name!

TAKE THAT, MOTHERFUCKER.

[–]ristoril 6 points7 points ago

Try "The god of Abraham" or "Abraham's god."

[–]TenTonApe 11 points12 points ago

I came here to complain about how grammar doesn't pander to your childishness, but I'm too late. Good job /r/atheism

[–]thomasne 5 points6 points ago

First word problems

[–]jgunit 3 points4 points ago

Yes, atheist douchebag problem...I'd capitalize Zeus but you have a stick in your ass about God

[–]Camizow 3 points4 points ago

God is a proper noun, and should be capitalized anyway. Just because something doesn't exist, doesn't mean grammar is irrelevant to it. For example, you wouldn't say "harry potter" would you?

[–]EN2McDrunkernyou -4 points-3 points ago

God is sometimes a proper noun. Sometimes it isn't. The placement in the sentence doesn't designate it a proper noun.

[–]squigs 3 points4 points ago

Stop letting God dominate your life. So what if he's no more real than the characters in Wind In The Willows. If I refer to Mole, then I capitalise. If I refer to a mole then I don't, and if I start a sentence referring to moles, then I do.

Same with God.

[–]MNSTRDSTRYR 1 point2 points ago

When referring to an imaginary sky man, you do it anyway you want, because you da boss it isn't real.

[–]tomjen -1 points0 points ago

Maybe. But I like to show them that I don't respect their religion and I want to incourage others to do the same.

[–]gousssam -1 points0 points ago

I think it's "encourage". Incourage is an archaic form.

[–]IdRatherBeethoven 0 points1 point ago

He wants to incourage others to disrespect the current English language, too.

[–]nnotserPx 1 point2 points ago

you are so brave

[–]Grinstall 1 point2 points ago

I capitalize it when I use it as a proper noun.

[–]sgt_pooperscooper 1 point2 points ago

If this seriously is a problem for you, rethink your life.

[–]V4refugee -1 points0 points ago

I don't think you understand the concept of first world problems. The joke is that it is only a problem for people who have very little problems.

[–]FrisianDude 0 points1 point ago

Jiminy coleslaw, this thing again?

[–]johnturkey 1 point2 points ago

A god...

[–]00dysseus7 0 points1 point ago

this is why i never start a sentence with "god."

[–]desenagrator -1 points0 points ago

And that is why you have terrible grammar.

[–]Taodyn 1 point2 points ago

"Goddamn it!"

[–]ptrckbrntt 0 points1 point ago

dat hair

[–]MaterMatuta 0 points1 point ago

THANK YOU! I was wondering why no one commented on the douchiest hair in the history of the world...

[–]JTHipster 0 points1 point ago

How about you don't be a cunt?

[–]Nerdy31415 1 point2 points ago

If you are referring to the Christian God, you are meant to capitalize it, because it is a proper noun. You capitalize things like Bowser, Zelda, or Professor Oak, because even though they are not real, they fall under the category of proper nouns. If you do not capitalize God, in reference to the Christian deity, then you are going out of your way and breaking rules of grammar simply to disrespect the beliefs of others. I understand that you don't believe in God, but respecting the fact that some people have different beliefs than you is just the right thing to do.

[–]EN2McDrunkernyou 0 points1 point ago

The Christian god is a god. You capitalize when it is used as a proper noun, the name of the Christian god is "God." The name of the Muslim god is "Allah." The name of a Greek god was Zeus. Always capitalizing the word god when referring to one god but not other gods is incorrect. You just named your god "God." Way to go.

[–]zzyzxeyz 0 points1 point ago

Wow, you are stupid. When using "God" as a proper noun, you capitalize. It doesn't matter whether you believe in a god. I don't believe in Santa Claus either, but it would be incorrect to write 'santa claus'.

[–]Sketch257 0 points1 point ago

repost alert i posted this (with the exact same title, that i made up) a few weeks ago

[–]Corazon79 0 points1 point ago

Why does the guy in the pictures hair have those light colored dots in it?

[–]manuel_robot_cleaner 0 points1 point ago

It's how you do proper nouns, dummkopf! Or do you want anozzer visit from ze Grammar Police!

[–]Artyom2033 0 points1 point ago

Just make the capital G really small.

[–]ClownsInJumpsuits 0 points1 point ago

Hey! Nice Repost!

[–]jkff 0 points1 point ago

Seriously, guys, who's upvoting this - is this the kind of content what you want to see on the front page? I admit it's slightly funny, but - 1622 upvotes?

[–]joshH7 0 points1 point ago

God dammit..

[–]CaliSwag 0 points1 point ago

Such an old repost

[–]doublezebra 0 points1 point ago

A) Repost

B) Capitalize God like you would any other fictional character and get on with your life. Capitalizing Gandalf's name doesn't mean you think he's real.

[–]alittler 0 points1 point ago

I just say "your god", it works with any religion

[–]ranky26 -1 points0 points ago

If I'm ever in that situation I'll think of another way to write the sentence so I don't have to capitalize it.

[–]varukasalt[S] 1 point2 points ago

Just put "Fucking" first.

[–]Grindstone50k 1 point2 points ago

Fucking fixes everything.

[–]TheGbomb95 1 point2 points ago

I see what you did there

[–]devonclaire -2 points-1 points ago

This is hilarious.

[–]fegd 0 points1 point ago

God as a character does need capitalization.