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[–]6roybatty6 113 points114 points ago

I am an engineer, for bits of metal can be pretty profitable

[–]3206 68 points69 points ago

I am a mathematician, for it's the only place where arguments are judged purely on how correct they are.

[–]wojovox 25 points26 points ago

I'm a Gynecologist, for she calls to me.

[–]Averyphotog 4 points5 points ago

Actually, she calls your receptionist and makes an appointment, she doesn't call you.

[–]m_s_m 27 points28 points ago

All academic pursuits are judged purely on how correct they are. The difference is that ascertaining what is "correct" is more easily defined in maths than elsewhere.

[–]3206 14 points15 points ago

Anything theoretical is arguably just mathematics (ie. proving stuff within a mathematical model). Anything experimental requires use of statistics, which always opens the door to questioning methodology from about a bazillion different aspects, it's just not the same.

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[–]3206 4 points5 points ago

Wut? I am talking about proving something within a mathematical model (what theorists do), that is completely irrelevant to how well that model fits real life (what experimentalists concern themselves with).

[–]BullNiro -2 points-1 points ago

Ah sorry, it's easy to get lost in the comments when browsing on a phone.

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[–]3206 2 points3 points ago

Wut?

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[–]3206 1 point2 points ago

Wut?

[–]Capercaillie 4 points5 points ago

All academic pursuits are judged purely on how correct they are.

Would that this were so, but alas, it is not.

[–]Dhuske 0 points1 point ago

Some 'academic pursuits' (actually, some skills) do not inhabit any criteria of 'correctness', and we have no problems with that.

Only when we start to theorize and somehow get taken aback by the differences between our skills and techniques do we for some reason face issues. An artist does not face determinate criteria of correctness, because he or she does not produce anything as a definite explanation or answer conflicting with any other. That is not a shortcoming, it could as well be framed the other way around: The theoretical scientist does not produce depictions of humanity or scenes which can be interpreted to show more than the linguistic meaning of her words.

It could be argued that 'the problem' consists in those disciplines where there is a widespread belief that there are criteria of correctness where there in fact is not. The only candidate for this I can think of is theoretical philosophy and, more recently, simply 'theory'. It's been said that the history of philosophy is the history of men talking past each other. And, we could add, everyone else.

[–]Capercaillie 0 points1 point ago

Yes. Talking past each other.

[–]doomgiver 4 points5 points ago

I am a priest, for the nubile schoolboys and free booze.

[–]wolfkeeper 3 points4 points ago

Yeah, right.

Tell that to Georg Cantor

[–]3206 0 points1 point ago

Cantor's arguments are now mostly deemed to be correct, perfect example of my point. It might have taken some time, but eventually he was recognised as being correct (unfortunately post death I think).

[–]wolfkeeper 1 point2 points ago

Oh sure, they are now.

But he was heavily criticised during his lifetime, his arguments about transfinite numbers were generally not accepted, but AFAIK no specific faults were found.

The idea that he was judged "judged purely on how correct" is absolutely not true.

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[–]wolfkeeper 0 points1 point ago

They were and are well respected mathematicians.

Correctness or otherwise is ultimately always a judgement call; it's not in general possible to formally prove the consistency of an axiom system.

[–]foghunt -1 points0 points ago

Just as I thought posting it...

[–]Capsize 0 points1 point ago

Incorrect. I also do that round my house.

[–]boojieboy 0 points1 point ago

I am a psychologist, because people are fucking nuts

[–]3206 0 points1 point ago

fucking-nuts.

[–]Owlsrule12 0 points1 point ago

That's what I love about math

[–]Teal_skies 11 points12 points ago

I am an artist, because doodling is fun as hell.

[–]SlutRapunzel 4 points5 points ago

I am a Japanese-English translator, because 日本の文化や歴史などを世界中にシェアーしたいだと思う。

[–]Averyphotog 0 points1 point ago

I know some of those words.

[–]CallMeAnEngineer 0 points1 point ago

I too am an engineer, and I agree.

[–]keoShine 2 points3 points ago

And the rest of the science world makes you the butt of all their jokes. Meanwhile, you build everything they use.

[–]tenkwords 18 points19 points ago

I'm just a caveman lawyer. Your world frightens and confuses me.

[–]radiokaos420 4 points5 points ago

Sometimes I wanna get out of my BMW and run to the hills.

[–]IronRaptorJesus 42 points43 points ago

I am a gynecologist...

...for the pussy, she calls to me.

[–]Alimeye 0 points1 point ago

...a gentleman among gentlemen.

[–]dorkrock2 59 points60 points ago

To be very honest I would have loved for this not to be a dig at religion. Maybe I am in a mood but a fifth panel with math or psychology or something else would have probably made me want to blow this up and put it on my wall. Sometimes I want to appreciate beauty without being reminded of the taint.

[–]Smelly_dildo 7 points8 points ago

Yeah I was thinking math, or maybe even chemistry or biochemistry (kinda covered by biology); psychology would be cool. Then again, paleontology and archaeology would fit the topic very well too. That's the beauty of evolution- convergence from nearly every scientific discipline onto the same conclusion.

[–]ffilps 17 points18 points ago

this whole comic was made to make fun of those people. don't be offended. the comic is great.

[–]Myuriko 1 point2 points ago

I don't really like it, to be honest. I'm very opposed to religious and superstitious thinking, but I really can't presume to know why people think the ways that they do. Especially if that presumption is that they're just scared and confused of everything. I don't doubt that young-Earth creationists find life, the Earth, and the stars all as wondrous as any of us. They just don't view them through the same ideological framework, and aren't equipped with the tools to find correct answers to big questions (like critical thinking skills or research skills).

[–]baltakatei 4 points5 points ago

I think Young Earth Creationists are a small subset of a larger population of people who preemptively decide to follow rigid social customs involving marriage, filial piety, parental responsibilities, child-rearing, and how to deal with social miscreants. Traditional social customs require much less reason and logical thinking than what is required to understand geology, astronomy, physics, or mathematics. Traditional religious customs, like Neil Stephenson wrote in the Cryptonomicon, is like a user's manual for living; it's a manual with an extensive troubleshooting guide that doesn't explain exactly how or why the equpment works, but if you follow it, you will get more-or-less a predictable and stable life. Your mind and life will be at the mercy of whoever writes the manual and you will never be able to apply reason to change the manual for your own purposes (unless you leave your religious sect).

With this in mind, I think the final picture and text is accurate. Scientific discoveries introduce new concepts and technological possibilities with which traditional societies must somehow grapple using increasingly-outdated scriptures (or "manuals" as I described in the previous paragraph). With critical thinking and reason, all problems can be examined and solutions for living with them found. With tradition, you can only hope problems are dealt with by someone else.

[–]Myuriko 1 point2 points ago

Okay, see, you're explaining to me one aspect (of many) of why religious and superstitious thinking is wrong. I already agree with you about all of that. I know blind adherence to tradition will stifle scientific and social progression. I'm very staunchly anti-religious. I just don't agree with characterizing religious people as being that way because they're afraid and confused by scientific realities. It's too simplistic to be accurate, and it's unnecessarily condescending. (I think there are appropriate times to be condescending, I just didn't like it in this comic strip, because I was immediately struck by the misrepresentation of religious people. I thought it was very self-indulgent and "so brave". But come on. You're not a geologist-astrophysics-professor-marine-biologist just because you can properly apply critical thinking skills well enough to determine that ethereal entities from old stories aren't real shit. And young-Earth creationists don't run and hide from the scary and confusing sciences, either. They view science through an ideological framework, and actually show keen interest in it, even if only to misunderstand and misapply it in a woefully ignorant, misguided attempt to prove Bible scriptures).

[–]baltakatei 2 points3 points ago

Alright. I tried coming up with an acceptable wording that didn't portray YEC's as feeling afraid and weak. The best I can think of is: "I am a young-Earth Creationist... for that is what ancient scriptures tell me."

The last frame wouldn't connect as strongly with the previous panels since I removed "all that stuff" to fit in "ancient scriptures" as the object being addressed in the final panel.

Edit: Just thought of a better version: "I am a young-Earth Creationist ... for God's word matters more than all that stuff." Then, place a bible next to the cross.

[–]Aitamen 0 points1 point ago

But they do do it because they're scared, because they're told to be scared from birth (Authoritarian parenting and high religiosity are both linked to lower IQ, so that explains the "confused" part as well). It's probably the most accurate statement about them.

The reason they are scared and confused is because those who came before them want them to be, and in turn...

[–]TheJack38 6 points7 points ago

This... While it's fun to poke at the young earthers and watch them throw a tantrum, the rest of this was actually pretty inspirational... Especially the fourth panel, since I'm currently a physics student.

[–]mysticrudnin 2 points3 points ago

i am a linguist

language is called to me

[–]por_que_no -1 points0 points ago

i am also a linguist and the word "taint" called to me

[–]so_valid 13 points14 points ago

The bravery, she calls to me. My mother, she has doritos for me.

[–]S11008 5 points6 points ago

The mountain dew, to wash down cool ranch Doritos for me.

[–]JackRawlinson 12 points13 points ago

Damn, I thought this was going to be an IAmA.

[–]aDaneInSpain 10 points11 points ago

There would be just one question: Why?

[–]Self_Hating_Liberal 8 points9 points ago

This just oozes smug.

[–]Averyphotog -1 points0 points ago

You're right, we should just let the idiots "teach the controversy" in schools. The kids are smart enough to figure out what's what. /s

[–]Behemothgears 6 points7 points ago

but everything changed when the fire nation attacked

[–]uaintnodaisie 0 points1 point ago

the ignorance that created religion. Keep your people stupid and they won't ask any questions!

[–]OoogaOoogaYoink 1 point2 points ago

Pretty much this exactly. I don't understand it, I can't explain it, and I don't want anyone else to either. Basically, it's all just magic because a book said so.

[–]Lampmonster1 2 points3 points ago

This is why the word "evolutionist" is the most brilliant move they ever made. It allows them to paint anyone that doesn't agree with them with the same broad brush without revealing the really damning truth about their nonsense. It allows them to pretend that evolution is the only theory that proves them wrong. But as we all know, that's not true. Geology, cosmology, physics, anthropology and biology all prove that the young earth theory is nonsense. They don't just disagree with one theory that exists within biology, but calling everyone that disagrees with them "evolutionists" allows them to pretend that's the case. And the uneducated that haplessly try to make sense of the debate can be swayed, where they might realize the folly if they realized that every area of modern science disagrees with the fools.

[–]MollySmithMS 3 points4 points ago

Although an atheist myself, things like this really piss me off. I don't think you should make fun of or try to belittle people just because they have a different belief to you. Unless they try to force their beliefs upon you then leave them be.

[–]_cookie_monster_ 12 points13 points ago

But what if their beliefs are stupid?

[–]kilo4fun 0 points1 point ago

If their beliefs are private and/or not hurting anyone, who cares?

[–]Averyphotog 0 points1 point ago

But, they're not. They want to "teach the controversy"

[–]First_thing 31 points32 points ago

Ahem, creation trying to make its way into schools?

[–]cbelt123 2 points3 points ago

Also, they teach it to their kids, along with teaching them lies about evolution and that science can't be trusted.

[–]First_thing 2 points3 points ago

So much this, they shut their eyes to the world around them and just go "nanananananananana I can't hear you!"

[–]raddaya 7 points8 points ago

I don't know about you, but if you believe that a piece of dog shit on the sidewalk is bacon, I'm going to make fun of and belittle you all I want. This is no difference. It's one thing to believe in a God, it's another entirely to ignore science.

[–]Darkstrategy 4 points5 points ago

I think there's a flaw in your argument. Creationists take their beliefs as a scientific fact. So either they promote the "wrong" (To them) idea to be taught in schools (Evolution, for them), they promote both being taught to "teach the controversy" in which creationism is now in a science class, or that only creationism should be taught in science class as evolution is false.

All of those scenarios have an ideal that harms our educational system, which is already in dire straights.

These people will teach their children these ideas as fact before they can analyze them, so now they are harming their children's intellect and potential progress.

This idea even being taken semi-seriously or just "let-be" forms a distrust of science as a whole.

There are quite a few negative impacts that these ideas can have upon the world both directly and indirectly.

[–]ffilps 2 points3 points ago

we should (be able to) make fun of everything we like. it's called freedom. you can keep your "blah blah unless they force... blah blah" to yourself. nothing's wrong with that comic. no need to try and "protect" them. if i think about it you sound a little bit like those protesters we all have seen yesterday.

what those creationists are trying to do in 'merica is EXTREMELY stupid, dangerous and a slap in the face to every rational human being. if you do not know what they're up to, google "creationism and american schools", maybe throw in "evolution" too.

[–]WoadRaider 2 points3 points ago

I was going to say something to this effect and you nailed it pretty damn well. I can poke fun at someone or something that I don't agree with, I assure you everyone does. Even these apologetic types who just want to pass out free hugs, even to the sociopaths who would gladly accept and then stab you in the back and be on their jolly way.

No one is free from ridicule, nor should we be. It helps us think critically as to why we believe something in the first place. If you can't defend your ideas when someone pokes fun at them, then that says something about the type of life you are living.

[–]YoRpFiSh -1 points0 points ago

So true.

[–]phalag 0 points1 point ago

Do these kind of people really exist?

[–]the_umlungu 0 points1 point ago

I read the title, and thought this was an AMA.

[–]djkimothy 0 points1 point ago

No love for a chemist? sigh

[–]CptLars 0 points1 point ago

I am a chemist... :(

[–]mark4669 0 points1 point ago

Looks like a Cectic Comic

[–]darkmind7 0 points1 point ago

Looking at the title I questiones to click this or not.

[–]BeautifulGreenBeast 1 point2 points ago

Yell that to my friend young creationist aerospace major.

[–]atheistcoffee 1 point2 points ago

I used to be a young-earth creationist, but not any more.

[–]percyth1 0 points1 point ago

I am a forensic accountant for the job of bringing white collar criminals to justice calls me.

[–]Entropyisheresy 1 point2 points ago

There is a lack of chemist in here. Where's the calling for blowing shit up?

[–]mapleAte 1 point2 points ago

Chemistry is really just physics.

[–]physics-teacher 0 points1 point ago

In jest: Physics is really just math. Biology is really just chemistry. Psychology is really just biology. Geology is really just physics. Climatology is really just physics. Sociology are really just psychology. Economics is really just psychology with a side of math. Holy crap, it's all one thing.

[–]Lark39 0 points1 point ago

It always amazes me how many seemingly smart people believe in the bible. I just can't wrap my mind around it.

[–]GodOfTheDarkSkyes 1 point2 points ago

I can never understand Young Earth Creationist. My old friend Loraine scored about 2100 on her SAT she had a full ride(scholarship) to IMSA(Illinois Math and Science Academy) and she somehow became an young earth creationist. Before she left for IMSA she was an atheist. Unfortunately we are no longer friends because she kept trying to "Save" me.

[–]I_Never_Forget 0 points1 point ago

I scaled the image for everyone who wants to use one of those as an iPhone5 bumper template. http://i.imgur.com/BoG1p.jpg

[–]TheRealOG 0 points1 point ago

Haha look guys the creationist is frightened and confused by science all he does is pray atheists are so smart

[–]Ohyouu 0 points1 point ago

The detail of what their wearing is something id imagine would be accurate.

[–]F1SH_T4C0 0 points1 point ago

I'm a historian... this is awkward

[–]EvilSteak 0 points1 point ago

This isn't how it works.

You don't believe something just because you want to believe it.

[–]MRdaBakkle 1 point2 points ago

I am a filmmaker, for celluloid calls to me.

[–]Xveers 1 point2 points ago

I am an accountant, for the numbers demand to be balanced.

[–]ra4king 0 points1 point ago

Aha! I know this image! It's on http://whynogod.wordpress.com/ at #21

[–]matters123456 0 points1 point ago

I am the only one who started reading this to the tune of "Highway Man" by Johnny Cash and Waylon Jennings.

I hope not.

[–]CaringNurse 0 points1 point ago

I am a nurse, for the elderly need to be medicated.

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[–]Ceejae -1 points0 points ago

Oh no, I'm an Accountant...

[–]alectheman -1 points0 points ago

I would wanna do all this... You take the 20% of Christians that do that and make the whole religion seem like it.

[–]WoadRaider 1 point2 points ago

I am a psychologist...

...for Consciousness, she calls to me.

Maybe I should visit a mental health clinic actually...

[–]celfers 0 points1 point ago

Who am I to judge their views? Shouldn't we respect them? Their are many ways to comprehend our world, no? Blah blah blah.

No. I judge them. Harshly. I do not respect them and nobody should.

There is only one path to a repeatable comprehension of the physical world : the scientific method. Of which falsifiability is key. Creationists disagree by twisting logic so much, only they can follow it.

There can be no "lets meet half way so we can have civil discourse". Those that reject reason can not be met half way.

[–]CMFH -2 points-1 points ago

This was a really nice picture of how I feel, thank you.

[–]RationalistTidder -1 points0 points ago

/r/atheism is slowly turning Science unto another bullshit religion

[–]postguy2 0 points1 point ago

Really? What deity do atheists who value science worship?

[–]TheNev -2 points-1 points ago

Turning? Apparently you've never read the writings of the cult of AGW.

and I unsubbed from here long ago. Seeing the horrendous judgement of people with different beliefs (here or in politics) reminds me that i'm not logged in.

[–]bellcrank 0 points1 point ago

And yet here you are...

[–]TheNev 1 point2 points ago

Well, I had a good run of upvotes these last few days. I figure I was due some cosmic anti-karma. This is easily accomplished by posting an alternative opinion here or in r/politics.

Not being logged in reminded me where to farm anti-karma.

[–]bellcrank 0 points1 point ago

... kay. I'm kind of new here, and I don't really understand the obsession people have with karma on this site. Seems to be an incredibly important part of most redditors' lives. And for a site that seems to dedicate itself to hating FaceBook, it's incredibly similar to FaceBook's "like" system. But have fun, I guess.

[–]TheNev 0 points1 point ago

I were facetious. It was a snarky answer.

[–]onewarriorprincess -5 points-4 points ago

That's rich. :)

[–]nicebenjamin -4 points-3 points ago

"I am a young-Earth creationist...

...for God, He calls to me".


What the fuck is wrong with the above? Nothing is wrong with the above. I could put the same bullshit with anything.


"I am a young Jew...

...for tradition, she calls to me"

[–]postguy2 0 points1 point ago

"I am a young-Earth creationist......for God, He calls to me".

Except that that last panel still directly conflicts with everything in the previous panels, which would still illustrate the point of the comic.

In fact, it might be more impactful that way, since it would illustrate that this "God" they speak of is in contradiction to everything we know about the way the universe works.

[–]Dhuske 0 points1 point ago

It's funny how, replacing 'god', we have projected something called 'Nature' and 'Life' out of the secular world, apparently female gods acting undercover as inexplicable 'forces' capable of determining the boundaries of empirical explanation. Anything but attributing the forms of explanation to ourselves as mere human beings.

[–]dogcrazyjen -2 points-1 points ago

Exactly. This comic was good until the last panel, then it became athiest propaganda. I don't believe in god but it is not any of my business what someone else believes. If I preach athiesm then I am no better than the bible thumpers who get in your face and try to convert the masses.

[–]Christofchaos -5 points-4 points ago

If you are a physicist, and you stood where you are standing in the picture during operation, nature would murder you.

Just sayin'

[–]ratamac -1 points0 points ago

it's okay honey, if you mount and support that cross in just the right way, it may keep heavy things from falling on you during the upcoming geological shifting.

oh wait!

that would be engineering and geophysics...

sorry to confuse you further...

[–]Vranak -1 points0 points ago

What a horribly patronizing little comic.

[–]bellcrank 2 points3 points ago

Which of the named fields (geology, astronomy, biology, physics) can a young-earth creationist honestly engage in without running into a conflict with their religious beliefs?

[–]Vranak -1 points0 points ago

Yeah they are idiots, but thinking you can change their idiot ways with this sort of snarky commentary is just wrong. If you insult people they only cling to their beliefs ever more tenaciously. A good faith attempt to educate does not take this form.

[–]bellcrank 2 points3 points ago

True, but sometimes people simply aren't making a good faith attempt to educate. Education has a tendency to bounce right off a young-earth creationist like bullets off of Superman. Maybe the cartoonist/poster had no intention of trying to change their idiot ways? I personally have completely given up on young-earthers; if you have managed to maintain that idiotic belief system in the face of all the evidence provided by modern science, you have simply volunteered for ignorance in favor of a soothing fantasy - which is precisely what the cartoon was talking about. People who have passion for something are willing to question it, not lock themselves behind 2000-year old dogma written by Middle Eastern goat-herders.

[–]Vranak -1 points0 points ago

Yeah I know it wasn't a good faith attempt, it was just a pot-shot. Not real mature and not real helpful. You've more or less got to let the idiots be idiots because they're not capable of overcoming their own ignorance. Or if they are, insulting them is not going to do it.

Plus this whole 'agree with Darwinism / geology / etc. or else you're a fool' smacks of the same kind of intolerance and bigotry that educated folk charge religious zealots with. Just because the science-type people are right and the wingnuts wrong, it doesn't change the essentially patronizing character of that approach.

[–]bellcrank 0 points1 point ago

I think that completely misses the point. The practicing geologists/astronomers/biologists/physicists out there aren't demanding everyone agree with an established dogma or else suffer punishment. If anything their job is to constantly challenge the current understanding in their field; to take a sledgehammer to its foundations and see if it stands up to the punishment. That's the exact opposite of locking yourself in a dark room with a cross and a candle and then talking to yourself.

[–]Vranak 0 points1 point ago

Yeah you're right, the actual folks who do the science aren't preaching, it's the self-righteous and condescending pricks on the internet. They try to make themselves feel better by putting down other folks. It never works.

[–]palpiehah 0 points1 point ago

And on the 8th day, God created the internets and filled it with pricks.

[–]HITLARIOUSplus -1 points0 points ago

Unfrozen Caveman Lawyer reference?

[–]boringdude00 -2 points-1 points ago

Why they all gotts ta be wemen, dawg?

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[–]BizarroDiggtard 0 points1 point ago

Zzzzzzzz...

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