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[–]RICH_LITTLE 1381 points1382 points ago

Oh boy, here we go again.

I'll warn the embassies.

[–]jared030858 487 points488 points ago

I'm pretty sure we just lost most of Reddits Muslims within the last week...

[–]egyptianmuslim 828 points829 points ago

Nope...we're still here. :D

[–]grezgorz 161 points162 points ago

Have you seen this movie everyone is freaking out over?

[–]Volcris 889 points890 points ago

In all fairness, that movie looks like the lowest possible budget endeavor "acted" by whomever the film crew could find loitering nearby the set. The fact that people died because of it only proves that those who did the killing don't really need a reason, they want a reason.

[–]tjo78 322 points323 points ago

"those who did the killing don't really need a reason, they want a reason." This

[–]Zhumanchu 48 points49 points ago

Very true. Events like these are usually just triggers for deep-seated anger and hatred over years of poor diplomacy/public understanding/etc.

In and of themselves small things like the films are not particularly harmful, it's the fact that they exist in the first place. People use them as a symbol for what they see as larger issues with society that they want to protest/kill over.

EDIT: thanks to Frogsickle for pointing out that fundamental cultural differences can lead to inevitable conflicts - please read and upvote his comment, it's very erudite.

[–]frogsickle 8 points9 points ago

I think you're correct to a degree. I don't think they just wake up looking for a fight. Instead, I believe that there are fundamental differences in the cultures that have inevitably led to strife and will continue to do so. If you look at the history of Islamic fundamentalism, its originators, such as Kotb, experienced American materialism for exactly what is was and Kotb decided that it was "ungodly" and dangerous to the souls of individuals. From his perspective, and from others of his ilk, being violent toward material cultures is the work of God and necessary for your own good. The Calvinists were notorious forced conformers. As were the catholics, back in the day. Our only hope for peace is for the west to become Islamic and oppressive to the masses (not bloody likely) or for strong secular institutions to develop in muslim countries, allowing the students to escape from forced religious education and instead have industrial drives. At least that is my 2 cents.

Edit: Thanks for the compliment, Zhumanchu. It's implied in my post, but I should call out the fact that had it not been for the European Reformation, driven ironically by Calvin (recall he is a forcer of conformity. Baptists and Presbyterians are Calvinists. They believe only a set group get into heaven and that they must force evil humanity to act nice - basically pushing people around and making others miserable while feeling smug about the fact they are of the chosen group who will get into heaven. These are my least favorite of the Christians.) and Luther (who was much more friendly a character. He promoted the idea that the Christian's god was not exclusively the Catholic church's boyfriend and so doing Catholic things wouldn't get you into heaven. Instead you'd have faith that Jesus was your savior. This personal faithy experience would crack open the pearly gates.), (BTW, the reformation allowed the native Christian folk to provide financial loans, as opposed to the pre-reformation era during which mainly only Jews were able to loan money while it was illegal for Christians to loan money. [Some argue that the roots of anti-semitism are directly tied to Christians not wanting to repay loans and would instead kill or expel those to whom they were in debt. Kings and aristocrats were often times indebted to Jews. (Kings would run out of money and had to borrow money in order to pay for wars they were compelled to launch in order to steal money from their neighboring countries. Kings being in debt to Jews allowed for a society-wide persecution.], Christians would not have been allowed to loan money. This newfound freedom to loan money built some very very powerful dynasties in the form of banking families, some of which exist to this day. There were quite a few up in the Netherlands. Anyway, as the financial system developed, it created what we would refer to as a middle class but I believe are referred to as the "merchant class" in historian's circles. These Reformed christians developed Capitalism - the practice of basing society around the exchange of goods and services for money. It's a pretty stable way to run a society for reasons we could get into. I mention all this because the middle east hasn't directly experienced a similar process. Rather, they inherited a lot of western influence and institutions rather than organically going through this process and getting all of the psychological and sociological benefits. (well, what I would call benefits) As a note to anyone who wants to contest my suggestion that their has been no Muslim reformations - Don't get me wrong. They've had reformations of their belief systems, but nothing that led to Muslim's being able to put religion in the corner like Christians have.

Another factoid that you may like to know is that Communism was a direct refutation to the ideas of Capitalism which allows a small group of people to become incredibly wealthy and powerful while exploiting the masses. (WhooHoo that Scott Walker's Union busting law was overturned) Communists were forcing conformers as well, but they were, like Capitalists, materialists. This is why you see Muslims in Georgia attacking Communist people. Remember that Muslim extremists want everyone's souls to go to heaven or hell. They can't just sit back and wait for people to die. They use violence to send them to hell in order to send a message to other ungodly folks that they best conform or risk an eternity in flames.

Ain't life fun?

[–]Loomismeister 54 points55 points ago

How does it prove that? That is purely conjecture. Why not just accept that there is a fundamental problem with the religion itself?

[–]wolfalice 130 points131 points ago

Why not just accept that there is a fundamental problem with the religion itself?

Because plenty of devout and practising Muslims don't give a shit about the movie.

[–]vaginalvr 96 points97 points ago

What? I've never heard a redditor take this stance before...

[–]TareXmd 112 points113 points ago

Muslim here. I was shocked when I saw the movie. Shocked at how such a low-quality, B-rated clip with zero wits and in-your-face awfulness in acting, script, and execution could be the same movie behind the protests. Let me tell you something about most Muslims: They are unemployed, living in bad circumstances, and love their religion which they incidentally don't practice when it comes to the hard stuff (work ethics, treating people, rights, self accountability....etc), so when you give them a reason to lash out at a rich and powerful non-Muslim country, in a way that reaffirms their faith, they'll jump on it. Welcome to how sad our state is. I could blame dictatorships and decades of poverty and ignorance, but it goes way deeper than that. Yes, I'm truly ashamed of these news, and I upvote them in the hope that other Muslims see it and realize how ridiculous they look in the eyes of the rest of the world.

[–]Rysdad 1 point2 points ago

I thank you for a well -written and -reasoned post. When I get angry enough to blame all Muslims for the idiocy going on in Egypt, Libya, Yemen, etc., I'll remind myself that it isn't all Muslims--just the "Muslim-wannabes".

[–]manimhungry10 50 points51 points ago

From what I hear, the Muslims just used the video as an excuse to attack the embassies. They were already pissed off.

[–]tomdarch 72 points73 points ago

An Arabic news commenter pointed out, "They have an industry of outrage... They have their own Glenn Becks." Sees to explain the situation pretty well.

[–]ArticPanzerWolf 23 points24 points ago

Oh shit there are more Becks? No wonder everything is so fucked.

[–]Algrokoz 51 points52 points ago

You realize that the movie was made as a cover for militant actions by terrorists and that it was not your average muslim rioting in the street? 10 muslims died in the attack DEFENDING THE EMBASSY. This whole thing is a false flag operation.

[–]mick4state 54 points55 points ago

Actual extremists used the protests as a cover to break into the embassy and kill the ambassador. Even CNN has reports on this. People need to read more before they assume the movie was the entire cause.

[–]Dmoneater 16 points17 points ago

That they successfully used that shitty movie to rouse a violent crowd is disturbing in and of itself.

[–]pedegg 29 points30 points ago

10 muslims died doing their job. that is an important qualification. whenever i see '10 muslims died defending the embassy', i notice it's always said in a way that implies that 10 civilian muslims died defending the embassy to uphold the message of tolerance against the 'extremists'. nah uh, no matyrs for freedom here, just 10 unlucky security personal.

[–]mattacular2001 2 points3 points ago

They still died defending the embassy.

[–]Algrokoz 7 points8 points ago

Just in case you think im pulling shit out of my ass, http://www.religiondispatches.org/dispatches/sarahposner/6377/who_is_%22sam_bacile%22 I'm not the only one who thinks so.

[–]egyptianmuslim 10 points11 points ago

Nope. I'm still bitter about Prometheus to watch movies right now. :D

[–]Nyrb 20 points21 points ago

We know you're all not murdering psychopath lynch-mob members.

[–]egyptianmuslim 90 points91 points ago

Excellent, then our plan is working perfe...I mean, of course! :D

[–]BrushGoat 52 points53 points ago

Only the sensitive ones.

[–]Cog_Sci_90 135 points136 points ago

I was going to say. My neighbor over the summer was one of the coolest guys, by human standards. When he had a day off of work, he would clean the house and take care of the kids so his wife could relax. He's really one of the nicest people I've ever met and enjoyed the American life.

I forgot to mention that he just moved in the last two year from Saudi Arabia and has been working on his English hardcore. We would just sit outside and talk about stuff. I'm interested in the crusades, so it was cool to bounce off each other about that. He really doesn't like the historical figure Saladin at all; he said he was a blood-thirsty savage. Very very cool guy and very Muslim.

This isn't evidence for anything; I just wanted to share.

[–]jungl3j1m 34 points35 points ago

Make a date to view "Kingdom of Heaven" together.

[–]MusicalChairs 21 points22 points ago

While Kingdom of Heaven is probably one of my favorite movies ever, it's wildly romanticized and fictionalized. And I mean wildly; The Assassin's Creed video game series is more historically accurate than that movie, if you're looking for the history of the crusades. Ridley Scott states in the Kingdom of HeavenExtended Cut commentary that he acknowledges the historical innacuracies, but he was going for a heroic period piece, and not a documentary.

That being said, I still highly recommend the movie.

[–]anirvan 17 points18 points ago

Hey Cog_Sci_90, you might enjoy reading "Destiny Disrupted: A History of the World through Islamic Eyes" by Tamim Ansary. Really good book, highly recommended.

From the description:

We in the west share a common narrative of world history—that runs from the Nile Valley and Mesopotomia, through Greece and Rome and the French Revolution, to the rise of the secular state and the triumph of democracy. But our story largely omits a whole civilization that until quite recently saw itself at the center of world history, and whose citizens shared an entirely different narrative for a thousand years. In Destiny Disrupted, Tamim Ansary tells the rich story of world history as the Islamic world saw it, from the time of Mohammed to the fall of the Ottoman Empire and beyond. He clarifies why our civilizations grew up oblivious to each other, what happened when they intersected, and how the Islamic world was affected by its slow recognition that Europe—a place it long perceived as primitive and disorganized—had somehow hijacked destiny. Entertaining and enlightening, Destiny Disrupted also offers a vital perspective on current conflicts.

[–]MrMaaz786 103 points104 points ago

There are plenty of very very very cool guys that are very Muslim. Like me.

[–]fatlace 34 points35 points ago

Just how cool are you?

[–]MrMaaz786 87 points88 points ago

very very very

[–]WeaselJester 106 points107 points ago

He's so hip he can't see over his pelvis

[–]fatlace 20 points21 points ago

Please, see yourself out.

[–]SasparillaTango 7 points8 points ago

Man, you are so unhip, I'm surprised your legs stay on... what a square

[–]hackeysack09 19 points20 points ago

That's too cool. We're going to need you to get out, please.

[–]Onicc 2 points3 points ago

Ice cool.

[–]Caulkinbawlz 18 points19 points ago

He has infiltrated suburbia, he is a high level Saudi terrorist, make no mistake.

[–]anonymoustom 13 points14 points ago

Muslim fundies in North America are a little more rare than in the Middle East.

All the ones I know are really nice and great to be around.

PS. Eid is always an awesome party!

[–]Fissak 5 points6 points ago

I went to a mostly muslim school and let me tell you Eid is the shit man.

[–]grandom 77 points78 points ago

If they're the sort to get their panties in a bunch about pictures of their "prophet" then good riddance.

Edit: And before some dumbass cries about double standards I would give equal fucks about someone's butthurt over a picture of Jesus 69'ing Buddha or something.

[–]large-farva 106 points107 points ago

no, jesus was getting a trunkjob from ganesh.

[–]pomofundies 48 points49 points ago

[–]Cr0mC0rrag 12 points13 points ago

Exactly. When those of us in free speech countries see offensive images like that, we roll our eyes and shrug and go on with our lives. But muslims go bonkers. Guess they love censorship. Good luck with that.

[–]Uberche 9 points10 points ago

It's probably good to point out that there are LOTS of Muslims who would roll their eyes as well. But there does seems to be a lot more extremist Muslims than extremist Christians at this point. I'd question whether that's due to Islam 'loving censorship' or that Christianity has lost it's power to censor and control in most of the countries it used to dominate. It wasn't that long ago (historically speaking) that Christians were burning books and attacking those they disagreed with.

[–]innerdurden 24 points25 points ago

Where is shitty_watercolour?!

[–]mastersoup 181 points182 points ago

i was going to say, seemed like the number of rapes and stonings here went down. i also noticed that more women have been willing to post here on reddit without being accompanied by a man.

[–]frotc914 90 points91 points ago

Reddit has embassies? Is that where I go to get internet asylum?

[–]Hraesvelg7 71 points72 points ago

The reddit embassy at 4chan is a sight to see.

[–]alekzander01 8 points9 points ago

Tons of guards from what I heard, the /b/ Terrorist orginazation truly has fucked up weapons....

[–]fgutz 21 points22 points ago

Everybody calm down, that's a drawing making fun of his neighbor Muhammad. He's a very sensitive guy. False alarm

[–]Sugreev2001 38 points39 points ago

But I've already packed for Jihad !!

[–]vonShang 11 points12 points ago

So which country it's going to be this time? US, UK, Germany? Or maybe some Italian?

[–]akleos 25 points26 points ago

DING DING DING! You are correct! It was the British and German embassies in Sudan! Jimmy, what do we have for our winner?

[–]IRLpuddles 29 points30 points ago

chicken dinner?

[–]ryanmer 14 points15 points ago

Somebody go notify Romney. He needs a headstart on finding a way to blame Obama for this.

[–]shashankmukundan 3 points4 points ago

well they just attacked the US consulate in Chennai(India)

[–]scamper_22 83 points84 points ago

I'm a cultural Muslim.

Used to be practicing, but after researching what I was supposed to practice, I let go of the practicing part.

I actually think it is good that we have such people willing to make a noise about Islam. There is such an air of deranged silence about the religion, I find it weird now.

Few academics really go into the religion itself. Most Muslims, including me many times, are too afraid to challenge even small things in any public light. Not just for fear of violence, but more for the social and community consequences.

The media and politicians just sit around making excuses for Muslims... oh it's not 'real Islam'

Muslims are just regular people at the end of the day. But Islam as a religion needs to be challenged. The idea that people 1400 years ago lived the perfect life forms the basis of Islam.

So Muslims are taught (sunni/shia...) to live their life how they lived back then. This is believe it or not... the foundation and normal position in Islam. The irony is... you take a little journey through Islam's own sources (hadith, koran)... and you realize just how sick it is.

These guys lived like you'd expect medieval people to live. War, rape, slaves, concubines, oppression, empire, lesser view of women... This was the life of Mohamed.. whether we Muslims like it or not. Maybe he was a 'better' than average medieval guy... but an example for today? Hardly.

I can't understand myself how I went through my whole life without reading the sources I was taught. A big part of that is that no real challenging information is ever allowed to hit the Muslim community.

So while I certainly don't like many things or hateful speech... at least it opens the floor for Islamic criticism. I think breaking down this wall of silence is the best thing to happen to Islam... and sadly like all important changes... it seems violence accompanies it...

[–]Huronia 114 points115 points ago

Just because it needs to be said.

The rule against depicting the prophet Muhammad is not written in the Qu'ran. It is a subsequent hadith (teaching) and is not universally accepted by all Muslims.

Whereas Sunnis tend to take this issue very seriously, Shia Muslims do not, and are more open to visual representations of the prophet. Ergo, as one might expect you can find his likeness on posters and postcards in Iran, of all places.

Therefore, this rule is being applied by a minority of religious extremists on a majority of people.

There is a sculpture of Muhammad in the rotunda of the United States Capitol building, as an example. We don't hear the Wahhabist Saudi government complaining now do we?

The free, enlightened and increasingly secular humanist movement cannot be derailed by the actions of a small clique of zealots, regardless of their brutality.

The Muslim extremists of the world must understand that they have no right to tell others what to do, how to act nor whom to venerate.

Same thing goes for Christian and Jewish extremists. The United States would be well advised to adopt official secularism and drop the existing Christian Supremacist rhetoric that has crippled the American political system. If the US goes secular, the world will follow.

[–]SoCalWingFan 4 points5 points ago

Your comment on the sculpture of Muhammad at the US Capital building intrigued me, so I looked it up. There's more information on all of the figures represented here;

http://www.supremecourt.gov/about/north&southwalls.pdf

It looks like even then (back in the 1930's?) there was an awareness and sensitivity to not putting his actual likeness on the wall, which may be why it never incited the response seen for more recent publications of Muhammad.

[–]Cr0mC0rrag 1 point2 points ago

Well said.

[–]amazingstill 63 points64 points ago

"Hey lets protest this movie but at the same time confirm all Muslim sterotypes by destroying things and killing people! Yeah that will change things!"

[–]vargonian 60 points61 points ago

DEATH TO THOSE WHO INSULT ISLAM BY CALLING IT VIOLENT AND IRRATIONAL!

[–]SystemThreat 116 points117 points ago

I know when someone hurts my feelings, the proper response is to kill them.

Yeah, I'm civilized like that.

[–]MisteryMeat 54 points55 points ago

If people are going to believe in imaginary friends, it would be nice if they would choose deities that are not so insecure.

[–]V838_Mon 15 points16 points ago

What we need is for them to stop killing others, and start committing suicide. You know, to show just how deeply offended they are.

[–]remag75 88 points89 points ago

Reddit is now in full alert. Backing up the kitten pictures now.

[–]Brevillemonkey 166 points167 points ago

Some people are actually defending the decision to murder people because of a picture or a film? I'm embarassed for humanity.

[–]executex 86 points87 points ago

People are incapable of assigning blame correctly.

Think of how school principals will say things like "zero tolerance. if you fight, I don't care who started it, you'll both be suspended." It's irrational and makes no sense and does nothing to discourage fights. The correct blame should be placed on whoever started the physical fight or escalated the situation.

Similarly, these same irrational people think that since cartoons made Muslims go crazy, therefore, cartoons should be stopped so they don't go crazy.

It's ridiculous, it's like telling a radio host to stop insulting fans of jersey shore because they go into streets and vandalize everything whenever a radio host insults them.

[–]cpqarray 481 points482 points ago

If you can be offended by a cartoon then you can be offended by a book. If you can be offended by a book, you can be offended by a word. if you can be offended by a word, then you can be offended by a thought.

At some point we have to say, maybe the problem is with those who take offense too easily. Perhaps there actually are people in the world that want to take offense and want to be outraged. Perhaps even the outrage is phony or provoked by elements in society with a bigger agenda in mind.

[–]cpqarray 35 points36 points ago

That is brilliant.

[–]Gramma42ton 33 points34 points ago

Being offended is the white people's race card

[–]reply_and_lose 14 points15 points ago

as a cardassian this really grinds my gears.

[–]JustinPA 3 points4 points ago

Spoonhead!

[–]Lonelan 7 points8 points ago

what does only being famous because of a sex video or only being famous because your sister made a sex video have to do with it

[–]reply_and_lose 2 points3 points ago

damn autocorrect

[–]psycho_trope_ic 64 points65 points ago

The problem is not being easily offended, it is deciding that being offended means you get to use violence (against uninvolved people no less) to express how offended you are (rather than thoughts, words, books, images, movies).

[–]sericeousburden 28 points29 points ago

I don't think the problem we're seeing is being offended at all, but looking for a reason to be violent. That video had been up on YouTube for months and someone was just trolling for a reason to get ugly. The reporter on NPR this morning said she talked to dozens and dozens of people and not one had even seen the movie trailer.

[–]Khan-Tet 22 points23 points ago

Up to the last sentence describes my ex-girlfriend perfectly.

[–]shake-zula 42 points43 points ago

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[–]llamaguy132 12 points13 points ago

It... doesn't make any sense to me at all...

[–]Midasalexander 4 points5 points ago

Holy fuck I'm kind of new here and your post just sent me to look up "Hitchens." My mind is blown.

[–]GANGNAM_GUNDAM 103 points104 points ago

I am personally sick of the world bending over backwards to babysit Islam.

I am loving /r/atheism's attitude towards this. It is the most healthy I have seen. This image is pretty weak compared to the insane shit people do to the image of Jesus, and fucking hell we should be trying harder. Atheism, Christianity, etc, all have to put up with constant mockery on a day to day basis. Islam should too.

[–]gberi 19 points20 points ago

I also hate how people those who call themselves Muslims claims that Islam is the only religion that promotes peace and advertises themselves as most kind but always on rampage on the name of saving Islam. Such an irony. I am so proud to be a philanthropist. Proud to be an atheist rather than a killer on the name of religion.

[–]dezaS 13 points14 points ago

A clever guise, even.

[–]PuppyPuppies 23 points24 points ago

To be fair, I don't have any problem with people being offended by thoughts. Some thoughts just really are downright offensive. And any person has the right to try to explain to another why they find that thought offensive. If someone uses the n-word, another person has every right to say to them, "Hey, that word was used to oppress and degrade an entire race of people for a long time, I wish you wouldn't use it." Hell, they're even allowed to say, "You're an ignorant fuckhead and you disgust me."

I don't mind Muslims who think people who draw Muhammad are ignorant fuckheads. What I mind are the Muslims who attack and promote violence (which, to be noted, is a incredibly small fraction) against people who draw pictures of Muhammad.

[–]zenmunster 35 points36 points ago

No no no. They're not attacking the people who made the fucking video. They're just randomly attacking anyone and anything. What fucking connection do the embassies of Sudan and Libya and Egypt and India have to do with anything??? They've completely lost it.

[–]Multicorn 7 points8 points ago

There was an image on here the other day that said something to the effect of, "If your religion compels you to kill for it, start with yourself."

[–]rollinfree 14 points15 points ago

The fact that people could be killed for this drawing demonstrates how hard it is to coexist with societies that are stuck in the 16th century.

[–]TheActualAWdeV 46 points47 points ago

Well obviously not his feelings.

On account of having been dead for quite some time and all.

[–]Lonelyguy1 81 points82 points ago

He's rolling over the child bride in his grave.

[–]immarried 27 points28 points ago

brides

[–]snoopdrj 127 points128 points ago

It amazes me that so many people, people that aren't even Muslim, get so bent out of shape about these images. Freedom of religion is also the freedom not to be subjected to others religious beliefs.

If someone wants to draw a cartoon, fine.

The anger illustrates the absurdity of the whole mess. How does someone not even part of this religion find this offensive?

Personally, I would love to a viral campaign that went world wide. Posting illustrations of Muhammad everywhere. Are these loonies going to kill everyone? The amount of anger over this is mind boggling.

[–]frotc914 51 points52 points ago

I would love to a viral campaign that went world wide.

It happened over two years ago.

[–]f_that_crap 38 points39 points ago

I think it's time for a re-enactment.

[–]RimuZ 26 points27 points ago

I agree completely. This is pathetic. 2012 and people are killing each other over a fucking cartoon. Give me a break humanity.

[–]jamin_brook 16 points17 points ago

I saw a comment yesterday that I'll paraphrase here as it highly relevant.

The day that your faith get shaken by a cartoon is the same day that you should start to questions your faith.

[–]scully0001 6 points7 points ago

The actual problem is that these people have no idea what freedom of speech is. They are from very controlling regimes where if anyone produces something that they don't agree with, the offensive material is promptly destroyed and the whoever produced it is incarcerated or killed. To them the fact that the movie exists (and it was not immediately destroyed by the government) can only mean that the government supports the film. They have no concept of freedom of speech and this is the problem. It is sad really.

[–]globalchill 360 points361 points ago

Come on guys dont stoop to their level. Dont you see that your internet comments are just as bad as killing foreign dignitaries?

[–]vonShang 129 points130 points ago

Dont you see that your internet comments are just as bad as killing foreign dignitaries?

Quote of the week.

[–]UMustBeNewHere 8 points9 points ago

Internet comment of the week.

FTFY

[–]Antares42 20 points21 points ago

...and a few of your own fellow countrymen to boot?

[–]DresdenPI 18 points19 points ago

Let's just settle on murder

[–]JMcFancyPants 39 points40 points ago

At least you can't kill the internet.

[–]TheGTLGuido 48 points49 points ago

I think it's fair to say that if you ever commit murder over a simple drawing you don't deserve to live. If you're that butt-hurt over a drawing that you're willing to take innocent lives out of your own rage, there's something else wrong with you.

[–]amazingstill 8 points9 points ago

The problem is that the entire world allows Muslim's extreme reaction to such silly things effect everyone else's behavior. The Muslim culture will only learn tolerance if the rest of the world stops sheltering them the reality of diversity and freedom of speech that exists outside of their bubbles. We are all en-ablers of their behavior. This is just a cartoon with some coloring turned into digital pixels. And thats all it is.

[–]brownbeltscum 98 points99 points ago

Guise, we all know that Islam is the religion of peace. Unless you offend them that is, or draw something offensive, or say something offensive, or are a woman, or say something bad about Muhommed, or eat pork, or are gay, or disagree with them, or call them violent, or are a Jew, or call them on their bullshit, or deface the Koran, or say anti-Islamic things.....

[–]greyvangelist 10 points11 points ago

I'm Muslim and anyone who gets upset by shit like this or that movie are pussies. Get over it.

[–]camnui 86 points87 points ago

And because you drew this three people now must die...

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[–]annata 42 points43 points ago

That elephant is kinda hot

[–]BryanosaurusRex 29 points30 points ago

There's plenty of junk in that trunk.

[–]JingleBellsSwag 74 points75 points ago

N. S. F. W.

[–]subdep 60 points61 points ago

S.F.Islam, though.

[–]aceoftrachs 17 points18 points ago

Not Suitable For Worshipers

[–]akleos 7 points8 points ago

I could fap to this

[–]floppy_weiner 6 points7 points ago

Do it, your country needs you!

[–]camnui 16 points17 points ago

nope i've seen it and i'm not clicking it again.

[–]Ishikadu 8 points9 points ago

Might as well just make that a new post altogether. I'm printing this out and taping it on the back of my jeep for the rest of the month.

[–]zlid_blompt 15 points16 points ago

That'll show the Libyans!

[–]ncm3t4l 4 points5 points ago

Well three die that we hear about right away while ten died trying to save them.

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[–]MooseCaca 54 points55 points ago

Really, it's to die for.

[–]GeneralLeeFrank 43 points44 points ago

It's the bomb.

[–]MooseCaca 39 points40 points ago

It's exploding with creativity.

[–]HelpMeLoseMyFat 34 points35 points ago

I hope you will ...profit...from this

[–]Read_It_Again_Lol 32 points33 points ago

It looks like the outline was done in pencil, but the color was done with crayola Quarans

[–]HelpMeLoseMyFat 28 points29 points ago

If he used markers it would look allah't better.

[–]DemonicAmoeba 5 points6 points ago

Maybe gihad no markers spare

[–]potatosaladpie 4 points5 points ago

Overall I think he should have added a sunni background.

[–]MooseCaca 4 points5 points ago

I think it looks like shiite.

[–]tsenaku 16 points17 points ago

My Dad and I (bot Muslim) had an argument about this. He thought the riots were justified because the drawings of Mohammed is a hate crime and that the rioting was an appropriate retaliation of a hate crime. I reasoned with him and tried to explain that this is the freedom of speech that the west demonstrates that the Muslim world doesn't seem to understand. Anybody and anything is open to criticism so long as it is within the law after a good 10 minutes of discussion my dad finally came around to the director's free speech once I told him that anti-semitsim is considered free speech so long as no law was broken.

I feel that this aptly reflects most of the east vs west clashes when it comes to topics like this because the Muslim community doesn't understand what freedom of speech is. Hell, try to find a Muslim country that has freedom of speech and can openly take criticism of Islam.

Finally I'd like to point out that its the Muslim community who cry every time you're mean to their imaginary friend not the imaginary friend himself. Nice art though.

[–]nintennuendo 8 points9 points ago

EVERYBODY CALM THE FUCK DOWN. I GOT THIS.

I just need a bottle of warm water and that old guy to teach me the Goron Lullaby.

[–]Berry2Droid 240 points241 points ago

Can I just say that OP does not represent all of us here at Reddit. Many of us are of various faiths and are respectful of other people's beliefs, cultures and traditions. Not all of us are interested in prodding religious groups into debates. Many of us feel like these sorts of actions only take us away from serious dialogue.

That being said, OP definitely represents me.

[–]Masterbench 91 points92 points ago

I understand your sarcasm but I have to be the one to say it, it's ignorant to tolerate everyone's culture or religion. While the wave of politically correct crusaders would tell you otherwise, I'll chose not not tolerate cultures, religions, cults, groups such as the kkk, nazis, black panthers, baby kickers, pedophile groups etc. you can't be partially tolerant just like you can't be partially racist. I won't tolerate ignorant backwards muslims beliefs just like I won't tolerate a group that pushes down grandmas

[–]aidsy 20 points21 points ago

Baby kickers?

[–]Naught 6 points7 points ago

That wasn't sarcasm.

[–]WhipIash 2 points3 points ago

I really (don't) hope baby kickers is an actual group.

[–]Masterbench 10 points11 points ago

It is slightly more credible then the Islamic religion

[–]chirs3 6 points7 points ago

Well played. :D

[–]nn-DMT 13 points14 points ago

How to rid the world of Radical Islam:

  1. Gather a few porn actresses and a middle eastern guy
  2. Film and release 'Mohammed: The Porno"
  3. Sit back and watch as the heads of Islamofacists around the world collectively explode from rage.
  4. ?????
  5. Profit!

*Bonus: Use jailbait age girls for historical accuracy.

[–]NotVerySmarts 23 points24 points ago

The First Amendment

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

Amendment IV

"The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain right, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people."

Just because somebody wants to protect their freedom of religion, that doesn't mean that others can have their rights to free speech and expression revoked. The Constitution always wins, bitches.

[–]ozymandias2 3 points4 points ago

The Universal Declaration of Human Rights:

Article 3.

Everyone has the right to life, liberty and security of person.

Article 5.

No one shall be subjected to torture or to cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment or punishment.

Article 18.

Everyone has the right to freedom of thought, conscience and religion; this right includes freedom to change his religion or belief, and freedom, either alone or in community with others and in public or private, to manifest his religion or belief in teaching, practice, worship and observance.

Article 19.

Everyone has the right to freedom of opinion and expression; this right includes freedom to hold opinions without interference and to seek, receive and impart information and ideas through any media and regardless of frontiers.

Article 20.

 (2) No one may be compelled to belong to an association.

[–]SanityInAnarchy 77 points78 points ago

Actually, I don't think this is the best approach. I mean, it's funny, but there's some real tragic humor in what the Muslims have done with Muhammad...

See, Muhammad was the one who made it illegal for people to depict him. The reason he did this is that he didn't want people to start worshiping him as a god, because there's only One True God, Allah.

Now, what do you call it when people care so much about this directive of not depicting Muhammad that they are willing to kill people who do it (Muslim or not) for insulting their prophet? Is that not a religious devotion to the Prophet?

And what do you call it when it's interpreted so rigorously that one Muslim actually joined Everybody Draw Muhammad Day by writing the Prophet's name, in Arabic, as beautifully as possible -- thus "drawing" Muhammad without actually drawing his face? Is that in the spirit of not worshiping Muhammad, or is that just blindly following this directive?

There are things to dislike about Muhammad, but he's not the crybaby here. It's the modern Muslims who are behaving in such a way that, if Muhammad could see them, he'd likely be angry and ashamed, just as Jesus would likely be angry and terrified to see people walking around with his murder weapon around their necks.

So, you know, mock Muhammad, I have no problem with that. But I have to imagine he'd be entirely on your side when people flip out and start killing people over a fucking drawing -- considering the entire reason he doesn't want you drawing him is so you won't take him so goddamned seriously!

[–]noitulove 19 points20 points ago

See, Muhammad was the one who made it illegal for people muslims to depict him

The fact that only muslims are forbidden to depict him is one HUGE detail that both muslims and non-muslims don't seem to understand..

[–]RebelBinary 11 points12 points ago

so true, it's like his plan of not having ppl worshipping him backfired, his noble intentions have been turned on their head

[–]Nihilgeist 8 points9 points ago

Humanity has a way of screwing up the message or system of governance.

[–]Charles_Forbin 23 points24 points ago

fuck 'em if they can't take a joke.

[–]Mistamista 11 points12 points ago

You might want to plane-proof your house.

[–]lenny247 6 points7 points ago

I was going to say, rioting and killing because one guy makes an amateur movie? that level of retard level is not even measurable, because the scale required to measure such a quantity is not conceivable by the human mind, it transcends our ability to comprehend something so large as the retard level of anyone that fucking stupid

[–]Topload909 6 points7 points ago

every day should be 'draw mohammed' day until such time as these muslim idiots and extremists are finally forced to get over themselves and their stupid sense of entitlement in relation to the rest of the world

Yes the drawings are stupid, but I don't see any other way to force their hair-trigger culture to learn to control it's temper

[–]amazinz5 64 points65 points ago

wrong, all wrong. mohammed is an adult, he fucks babies. so ignorant.

[–]lejason 17 points18 points ago

Because fuck karma anyway, time for a downvote rant!

+100 times, we need more of this; we need "blasphemous" cartoons posted everywhere all the time precisely so we can bring this conflict to a head. We've ignored this elephant in the room for so long; time to finally call it out. A species aspiring to understand the universe cannot be held hostage over offense by any idea; ever. More, as humans, we must accept that we won't all see eye to eye so we need to learn how to deal with it. If, to one group, "dealing with it" means "killing the others" then the rest of us shouldn't sugar coat their intentions; they want to kill everyone reading this post (seriously, the punishment for that cartoon is death; they actually believe this). So fuck this tip-toeing bullshit, lets finally call people out for who they really are; if you think you have a right to kill other people over images and videos, then own that; don't hide behind your "religion" or the politics of "offense". To the rest of us, I am not saying we need to declare war against Islam - I am saying, Islam has already declared war on us and I think its time we put away the niceties and accept that.

[–]CapaneusPrime 18 points19 points ago

As a militant atheist who was raised in a secular home I support the sentiment... As a rational, adult, human being... perhaps too soon? I realize it'd be awfully silly for a small faction of militants a world away to see or care about a silly drawing on a silly website, but 3 days ago I would have said the same thing about a stupid trailer for a stupid movie on a stupid website...

My point being that the vast majority of Muslims saw the film for what it was, a super tiny minority opinion held by someone just trying to stir shit up. Further , as much as I love butchering sacred cows, that same vast majority of Muslims are expressing sympathy and offering solidarity with the U.S. over these attacks.

We should all remember that these attacks were not a reaction to an obscure YouTube video, no matter how they and our media try to force that narrative. They were planned well executed assaults on fortified structures by trained militiamen and the ensuing riots were just that, disaffected people (with or without cause) taking out their frustrations on the nearest easy target and succumbing to mob mentality. Remember the bulk of the Arab world is again standing up in support of us, or at least in condemnation of these attacks. Let's not squander this opportunity for global community as we did 11 years ago.

Muslims aren't going anywhere, we can mock their religion along with everyone else's later. We don't need to offend and alienate our would be friends right now because others claiming to be of their faith are being assholes and justifying it with their holy book. I'm sure your work-a-day person of the Muslim faith is horrified to see their faith hijacked and twisted so.

[–]UbiDubiumIbiLibertas 3 points4 points ago

The protests that were calling for the US to grant special legal protection to Islam and it's prophet were definately caused by the uproar over that shitty movie, and in my opinion that is almost just as offensive as the attacks themselves.

Muslims like this do not understand secularism. Their beliefs are fundamentally incompatible with a secular society. Their beliefs should be granted no safe harbour.

[–]Stooven 5 points6 points ago

If someone can be so easily offended, maybe it's good that they this see this kind of thing. With time and exposure, maybe they'll become less sensitive.

[–]thinksthoughts 5 points6 points ago

The people arent actually pissed about this. They're just using it to justify the raids on the embassy.

[–]whodat77 13 points14 points ago

This cartoon is extremely offensive, and is in poor taste... I love it.

[–]kid_epicurus 20 points21 points ago

Conflicted Muhammad isn't sure if he should summon someone to slaughter the infidels for blasphemy or TOUCH THAT SEXY CHILD!

[–]King_Kickass 22 points23 points ago

To the people being offended by this, unless you somehow manage to convince us that Mohammed:

  1. Is an actual Prophet that was the messenger of an actual God
  2. Cannot be drawn or we would face serious consequences

I refuse to let iron age abrahamic beliefs interfere with my freedom to make fun of things.

[–]Fapulous420 15 points16 points ago

I get a little thrill of fear when I upvote these. It's like, "Oh shit, I clicked it! They're coming to get me!"

[–]faolkrop 21 points22 points ago

Its not us who should change. This is just a picture and for a person to kill because of a cartoon is insane. If someone can make a picture of jesus having sex with the holes in his hands and/or feet they can make a picture of Muhammad.

[–]faolkrop 7 points8 points ago

[–]SemajSemajSemaj 8 points9 points ago

Should make a human centipede drawing of all the gods

[–]CatoFriedman 4 points5 points ago

bold.

[–]because_hes_a_cunt 2 points3 points ago

He should be telling a toddler that she's too old for him.

[–]danyul91 4 points5 points ago

Get your fatwas! Delicious and fresh from the mouth of over-sensitive Muslim scholars! Get your fatwas here!

[–]stevesan 2 points3 points ago

While I agree with this in spirit, I am of the opinion that when people do terrible things, it is not primarily due to religious motivations. It's primarily about economics and politics.

[–]bombastica 4 points5 points ago

Please remember we do have http://www.reddit.com/r/mohammadpics/

[–]RasAlTimmeh 5 points6 points ago

Just because some people believe that their god shouldn't be drawn or depicted doesn't mean that should have any authority over those who don't believe. Good job!

[–]Odkin 5 points6 points ago

Wow, look at all the little pussy comments about "feelings". You don't act so cowardly about attacking Christian beliefs and symbols. "Piss Christ", anyone? I guess you know who'll just be offended, and who'll hit back.

Judging by the "don't OFFEND them!" pants-wetting here, is it any wonder that groups resort to violence? It apparently works - at least on cowards.

[–]billgates700 4 points5 points ago

[–]godislamgod 5 points6 points ago

Muhammad sucking a pig while wearing a bacon turban.. http://imgur.com/urJ6h

[–]BarneyBent 4 points5 points ago

This will probably get downvoted, but seriously, Muslims are clearly super-fucking-offended by this shit. At least as offendeded as we would get about a video espousing the wonders of necro-pedophilia. That's not an excuse to kill anyone, but most Muslims don't, it's only a very small minority that get violent. What about the rest of the Muslims who see this stuff and feel violated? Not because it expresses a different belief, mind you, that's fine, but because they are deliberately aimed at antagonising a fundamental value of theirs. It's like white people using the N-word. Just. Don't. Fucking. Do. It.

EDIT: Offendededededed....ed?

[–]kvist 10 points11 points ago

WWIII : Started by r/atheism

[–]WhatEvery1sThinking 9 points10 points ago

it's so fucking sad that if their personal info was made public the submitter would be in legitimate danger

religion of peace indeed

[–]23canaries 1 point2 points ago

oh well this is helpful and should solve the problem - well done reddit

[–]JESUS_JIHAD_CHRIST 2 points3 points ago

I like it.

[–]maeelstrom 5 points6 points ago

This is so terrible. Oh how I love it.

[–]erosharcos 1 point2 points ago

You are a genius! Best original post I've seen on reddit in a while!

Let me know what your death threats say from Muslim fanatics.

[–]sarmclean 1 point2 points ago

I'm generally lurker, read the comments / posts/ pictures and giggle to myself. But this really pisses me off. (and before you all jump down my throat, I"m not muslim) Lets take a situation where people are already pissed and tensions are high, and antagonize right?! Solid logic, solid.

[–]redelman431 1 point2 points ago

Looks like the Islam appologist brigade is starting to catch up in downvotes.

[–]Lux26 3 points4 points ago

People, the vast majority of you are misinterpretting this image, which is a work of satire, so let me break it down for you. The extremists that have killed people over the youtube movie trailer are butthurt crybaby pussies. This image attempts to show what Muhammad would look like if he were to behave in such a way, and this idea is so ridiculous and innaccurate that the underlying message of the image is obviously that the butthurt extremist pussies are nothing like Muhammad.

If I'm still not getting through to you, lets imagine a hypothetical image of Jesus in which he is bombing an abortion clinic, similar to what a few nutcase extremist christians have done. Does this image suggest that Jesus literally bombed abortion clinics? No, because the idea that Jesus would use violence in this way is so ridiculous that the message of this hypothetical image is obviously that a person that would bomb an abortion clinic is nothing like Jesus.

If the picture offends you simply because any depiction of Muhammad offends you, that is stupid. But its just as stupid to think that this work of satire suggests that the actual Muhammad was a crybaby. It is sad that so many of you are having the wrong arguments because you are taking this image at face value.

[–]inkathebadger 4 points5 points ago

My question is, why are the pictures of Muhammad always with a turban? I though that was a Sikh thing. Were turbans vogue in Muhammad's time? I look at photos of clerics in the news and they either have a sort of beanie on or a squarish hat.

[–]GameCranium 2 points3 points ago

Let me say this, if it hasn't already been said... The Quran promotes hate in many ways, it seems: (Granted I am not a Quran scholar)

Allah is an enemy to unbelievers. - Sura 2:98 Fighting is obligatory for you, much as you dislike it. - 2:216 Fight against them until idolatry is no more and Allah's religion reigns supreme. Sura 2:193 and 8:39 O believers, take not Jews and Christians as friends; they are friends of each other. Those of you who make them his friends is one of them. God does not guide an unjust people. - 5:54 Make war on them until idolatry is no more and Allah's religion reigns supreme - 8:39 (NOTICE....MAKE WAR ON THEM???) lol, very peaceful... When the sacred months are over, slay the idolaters wherever you find them. Arrest them, besiege them, and lie in ambush everywhere for them. - 9:5 As for the man who steals and the woman who steals, cut off their hands as punishment for what they have earned, an exemplary punishment from Allah. - Surah 5:38

and the list goes on... I see nothing, but utter hatred among non-muslims...but you know I don't see any other religion being this fucked up...even christians have their "don't cast stones", "compassion", extending the olive branch and what not....yet these muslims....they believe in a book that tells them to murder...MURDER....morality/logic absent

[–]BrodyApproves 7 points8 points ago

Pallets of these should be printed & then dropped via parachutes, over top of major religious cities.

[–]Lonelyguy1 20 points21 points ago

Surely THIS will make them like us!

[–]txbxp 9 points10 points ago

It is doubly awesome because in the picture you depicted him in the same age group of women he liked to sleep with. Holy profit my ass..

[–]LaziestNoveltyAcct 2 points3 points ago

he profitted some ass

[–]transitivity111 8 points9 points ago

I get OP's point, and I agree that an image should not spur people to murder, but I also find this image cruel. It's one thing to draw a picture of Mohammed. It's another to mock a person's religion for the sole purpose of goading.

I don't believe in god, but I do believe in people and being good to them. Just because we don't believe doesn't mean that people who do deserve mockery. One of the main issues I take with organized religion is that it leads to cruelty and isolation between beliefs. If we take this approach instead of education, then we are no better.

[–]amazingstill 6 points7 points ago

Thank you for posting this. People have to learn tolerance.

[–]craylash 14 points15 points ago

this is baiting

[–]sirius_star 4 points5 points ago

Ego + religion= reason to kill? Those two don't go together..or so I thought..

[–]paulioni613 4 points5 points ago

Ego just doesn't go well with anything at all in this world.

[–]SayVandalay 5 points6 points ago

Talk about religious intolerance. These protestors needs to grow up. They bitch about people disrespecting their character and demand attacks against others who offend their guy then cry and say it's about religious tolerance.

Maybe they need to take a look in the mirror. They want respect and leeway for their beliefs, they need to respect and give leeway for others beliefs. Not to mention they make any respectful, peaceful Muslim look bad.

Of course a lot of our beliefs about it is that it's all this fighting and crying over imaginary friends and/or guys who may or may not have existed centuries ago.

[–]not_a_troll_for_real 2 points3 points ago

You should put an RPG in his other hand for the sake of accuracy