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The Pope is coming to my country tomorrow [Lebanon], the bad security/political situation reminded me of this old poster. (i.imgur.com)
submitted 21 hours ago by TawaNicolas
[–]Teal_skies 42 points43 points44 points 18 hours ago
It's so terrible. Just because he's German doesn't mean he's going to shoot anyone.
My apologies to Frankie Boyle for Stealing that joke.
[–]wrongtwin 9 points10 points11 points 14 hours ago
Tells you how wonderful heaven is. Avoids heaven as long as possible.
[–]hackysacks 19 points20 points21 points 15 hours ago
The pope isn't an idiot. He knows the risks. There is a huge difference between Catholicism and all the fundie sects out there. The Catholic church acknowledges evolution as fact, and rather than deny current scientific thought, they know that God isn't going to physically stop a bullet. The arguments they make now, like against condom use and abortion, are arguments based on morality rather than pseudo-science.
[–]Hotbox_Hero 7 points8 points9 points 13 hours ago
But in god's name LET THERE BE ORANGE FANTA IN THE POPEMOBILE
[–]pepperman7 3 points4 points5 points 6 hours ago
3" of bullet proof glass but no seat belt. I feel this is somehow symbolic of the entire church.
[–]daxarx 1 point2 points3 points 4 hours ago
moves like 4mph, this might also be symbolic of the Catholic church
[–]tritonice 4 points5 points6 points 12 hours ago
The Catholic Church has adherents in some of the poorest regions of the world, leader rides around in a heavily modified Mercedes.....
[–]JimboDeSarasate 1 point2 points3 points 7 hours ago
We have poor people in the US, yet our presidents have much more costly protection. As someone who has received free psychiatric care from Catholic Charities while broke and in college, I would buy the Pope a fanta.
[–]JPD678 -1 points0 points1 point 12 hours ago
God helps those who help themselves
[–]jumpingjimbrunzel 2 points3 points4 points 12 hours ago
[–]JPD678 0 points1 point2 points 3 hours ago
actually it was Aesop, or so says wiki. Ben was cited as the first to translate it into English or something
[–]Airazz -5 points-4 points-3 points 9 hours ago
Wtf does this have to do with evolution?
[–]sndzag1 1 point2 points3 points 9 hours ago
It seems to me that some people seem to rationalize that just because the Catholic church believes in Evolution suddenly absolves them of the other issues with their religion - including their crazy hypocrisy shown here.
[–]vaalkaar 1 point2 points3 points 8 hours ago
Or you know, the Crusades, the Inquisition, 500 years of no scientific thought, all that stuff. But they accept evolution now, even though they excommunicated Galileo for saying the earth wasn't the center of the universe. But they accept evolution, so it's ok.
[–]sndzag1 1 point2 points3 points 8 hours ago
Well, half of the reason I am against religion is because of the insane grudge-holding for centuries. The Catholic church is not doing those things now, I would rather focus on the stuff they are still doing.
Fair enough. There are still the child abuse scandals, telling people that condoms cause AIDS, etc. The church has only taken a more liberal/humanistic stance in response to the humanist principles of Western philosophy and social pressure, though. All the stuff of the past is still in their religion. Although the fundamentalist muslims have picked up that baton and are running with it quite zealously.
[–]daxarx 0 points1 point2 points 4 hours ago
It's a hell of a lot less idiotic than the fundamentalists.
[–]Achack 3 points4 points5 points 16 hours ago
I prefer this one.
[–]Teal_skies 1 point2 points3 points 15 hours ago
A better way of putting it would be "You can't feel god. You can feel bullets."
[–]Antiokloodun 4 points5 points6 points 14 hours ago
All popes since John Paul the second are forced to ride the bullet proof popemobile since he was shot by Mehmet Ali Agca.
Johannes Paulus Secundus went as far as going to prison and hospital to meet Mehmet so he could ask for forgiveness.
Please attack religion for it's faults not for their strengths, the pope took it like a man and forgave his would be assassin like probably many atheists would not be able to. It's wrong to deride religious actions without first checking why they happen.
TL;DR: Read before you accept someone else's opinions.
[–]rasputine -1 points0 points1 point 9 hours ago
I don't understand your point. Is your point that the Pope is afraid of the heaven he assured everyone is real? Is your point that Mehmet's bullets are more powerful than god? Is your point that John Paul was a rather nice dude who happens to worship an impotent tribal myth?
[–]Antiokloodun 1 point2 points3 points 7 hours ago
No, my point is that even if he would like to be in an open car and say hello to people, the Pope is forbidden by the Swiss guard and the Vatican service from doing so.
All popes went around in open cars till one almost got killed. After that they can't whilst being in papal functions ride an open car.
[–]DonCaliente 1 point2 points3 points 7 hours ago
'All popes' since John Paul II is Ratzinger.
[–]Antiokloodun -1 points0 points1 point 7 hours ago
But of course, and all that follow Benedictus will have to board popemobiles, their personal feelings about it being completely disregarded.
That was a really misleading thing for you to say, 'all popes'. You don't even admit it. That's intellectually dishonest.
[–]TawaNicolas[S] 8 points9 points10 points 20 hours ago
Actually he arrived today.
[–]whatupnig -16 points-15 points-14 points 14 hours ago
This is a stupid poster. Just because he has faith in god doesn't mean he has faith in MAN.
[–]ciggysizz 6 points7 points8 points 14 hours ago
If he has faith in god then god would protect him from man. Or, if someone were to shoot him, it would be god's plan, and what right does he have to interfere with god's plan?
[–]Rag3niv -1 points0 points1 point 14 hours ago
That's like saying if I ran out onto a freeway and get hit by a car I was meant to die. Instead, I would be putting myself in immediate danger, with a good chance I would get injured.
Similarly, as a highly influential and controversial figure, riding around in the back of a truck is putting himself in a fair bit of danger, hence the precaution.
[–]ciggysizz 3 points4 points5 points 13 hours ago
But god would protect him. He's the head of the catholic church, god's representative on earth. If he has real faith in god then god is supposed to look out for his right hand man. It's the same arguement as saying "I survived getting hit by this car because god protected me". If you have faith in god and god has a plan for all of us then whatever you end up doing was what god intended
[–]Rag3niv -2 points-1 points0 points 13 hours ago
I disagree with that. Whatever you end up doing is not what God intended because humans have free will. What happens to you, one could argue, is what God intended.
Religion aside, as rational beings we know that the outcome of a situation is highly dependent on the choices we make to put ourselves into it.
The pope is a man of this earth, he knows that. He knows that if he choses to put himself in danger, then there's a good chance that danger will find him.
So god doesn't have a plan then?
I can't understand how someone would accept they could die from some sociopath while still accepting that god is all loving and knowing.
Especially when, if god is all knowing, he could easily stop it if he wanted to, being all powerful.
[–]Rag3niv -2 points-1 points0 points 13 hours ago*
I think where this gets confusing is mixing different people's idea of religion.
If the pope gets assassinated, some would say God worked through the assassin and killed him, some would say God allowed him to die, some would day that God couldn't stop it because he does not want to, or it was meant to happen, or that he does not have the power.
I am not a very religious person so I can't argue your points with the pope's 'religious logic' (if you can use those words together), but my logic is simply that he knows people want to hurt him, and he is the leader of Christianity and must protect himself so he can continue to do his job.
Or hell, there's a good chance that he does believe what you're saying, that God will protect him, but his security want him in an armored vehicle and he doesn't have a reason not to be.
[–]ciggysizz 1 point2 points3 points 12 hours ago
Actually that last one seems pretty reasonable...the security bit. If i worked security for the pope all the time I think I probably would have lost the faith in god's protective abilities too...
[–]Rag3niv 1 point2 points3 points 12 hours ago*
Yeah as I typed that I realized it probably wasn't even his choice, haha. Ah well, a good argument is always fun.
[–]squigs -4 points-3 points-2 points 12 hours ago
God isn't seen as a micromanager. So...
If he has faith in god then god would protect him from man.
Surely man can do that.
What interest is it of God to do so? There are always more priests that can be made Pope. The Pope will die at some point, and presumably go to heaven. Whether it happens now or later doesn't make a difference to God. The Pope considers it more convenient to be Pope for a bit.
. Or, if someone were to shoot him, it would be god's plan, and what right does he have to interfere with god's plan?
God's plan is will work if the Pope is shot or not. The Pope would prefer not to die just yet. The hypothetical shooter has free will, and God doesn't like to interfere with that too much.
[–]ciggysizz 3 points4 points5 points 12 hours ago
But if god is all powerful, all knowing, all loving, and everywhere at once...not to mention the fact that he can somehow keep track of every sin you commit...how is that not micromanaging?
More importantly, if he already knows what is going to happen and lets it happen, isn't that part of his plan? So shouldn't you never use bullet proof glass because if god knows it's going to happen, he must have a good reason for doing so since he knows more than you?
[–]squigs -3 points-2 points-1 points 12 hours ago
.how is that not micromanaging?
Well, if he takes a hands off approach despite all this then it's not micromanagement.
More importantly, if he already knows what is going to happen and lets it happen, isn't that part of his plan?
No, I've never really been able to square God's apparent absolute knowledge with free will. The two would appear to be contradictory.
A couple of ideas I have that could make it work are that God only knows everything that is happening and has ever happened, or that God knows exactly what will happen if someone does shoot the Pope, and if someone doesn't, and what the result of every single other potential decision would be, and he has a plan for all of them.
Neither really seem satisfying though.
[–]ciggysizz 2 points3 points4 points 12 hours ago
If god is all knowing then he knows exactly what you will do before you do it because he's the king of the batman gambit so if he lets it happen then he's as complicit in it as if you knew someone was gonna get murdered and could stop it and did nothing...
[–]squigs -2 points-1 points0 points 12 hours ago
I think the Xanatos gambit works adequately as a compromise between all knowing and free will.
except if you're all knowing then you inherently know every choice someone in your gambit would make and as such know ahead of time what they will choose and how they will react. Making it a batman gambit...because if even one of them acts opposite of how they normally would the problem would be solved...but they can't because it doesn't occur to them.
[–]squigs -1 points0 points1 point 12 hours ago
Sure, but without free will, there can't be any sin, because there's no choice (or if there is sin, there's no justice). Sin is a much more important part of the Catholic faith than whether "all-knowing" should be taken at its most literal, or just something that might be seen as a reasonable interpretation
[–]swampfish 0 points1 point2 points 8 hours ago
Not a micromanager? Then who do you think decides the outcome of all those Payton Manning games?
[–]Rag3niv -2 points-1 points0 points 14 hours ago
I completely agree with you. Atheists take a theist's belief to an extreme degree which it isn't intended, with the hopes to disprove it. Christians don't believe they're indestructible.
[–]jumpinglemurs 1 point2 points3 points 14 hours ago
No, but most Christians believe that if they are "good Christians" then god will look out for them and has a place for them in his plan... or whatever. They don't think they are indestructible, but they do believe that god will protect them if they deserve it.
[–]Rag3niv -3 points-2 points-1 points 13 hours ago
How is that different? If he believes God will protect him, he believes he is indestructible.
Your logic implies that he does not believe God is powerful enough to save him, or even that he doesn't really believe in God.
Rather, he knows he is a famous and controversial figure, and that many many people would be happy with him dead, and would not be opposed to killing him. He knows how physics works, if someone shoots a bullet it will hit him. He knows God doesn't deflect bullets, and he does not want to die.
Some of you 'atheists' are as bad as Christian extremists. You take the other side and oversimplify it to the point that doesn't make sense. The bible doesn't imply that if you put yourself in extreme danger that God will rescue you.
[–]CheeseEatingBulldog 8 points9 points10 points 18 hours ago
This old poster is derived from Bill Hicks:
“I love the Pope, I love seeing him in his Pope-Mobile, his three feet of bullet proof plexi-glass. That's faith in action folks! You know he's got God on his side.”
[–]TawaNicolas[S] 0 points1 point2 points 18 hours ago
Thanks!
[–]opiate46 0 points1 point2 points 16 hours ago
Here ya go:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OaHnFd3X-wI
[–]Triffer93 5 points6 points7 points 14 hours ago
It must be terrible to fart in that thing...
[–]sndzag1 0 points1 point2 points 9 hours ago
I bet it's all air-conditioned and stuff.
The rock of the church wouldn't fart. It's a miracle.
[–]Atherandaithe 2 points3 points4 points 17 hours ago
Good thing there aren't any RPGs in IEDs available in Lebanon....
[–]gak001 2 points3 points4 points 16 hours ago
I imagine they'd refer to something like Luke 4:9-12, referencing the prohibition on testing God.
[–]white_knuckler 2 points3 points4 points 15 hours ago
All I think when I see that is "You could put a stripper pole in there"
[–]Triffer93 1 point2 points3 points 14 hours ago
I might be interested in church then...
If they make a stripper as Pope then I promise to look over the catechism at least once
[–]conspirator_schlotti 3 points4 points5 points 18 hours ago
I hope that explains it:
http://www.smbc-comics.com/index.php?db=comics&id=1557#comic
[–]UtopicVision 2 points3 points4 points 16 hours ago
I am in Lebanon too and this shit is ridiculous.
The Lebanese public have no idea about the scandals that hit the vatican in the recent years, from child molestation to money laundering. They just have no idea.
Sad, sad day.
[–]paranode 1 point2 points3 points 16 hours ago
I have to say he's got some balls showing up in a country like that with what's going on right now. I'm sure those Arab Spring fucktards would love to kill him. His bullet-proof glass might not save him.
[–]UtopicVision 2 points3 points4 points 15 hours ago
Well to be fair, there is no spring going on in Lebanon at the moment.
But the repercussions from the Syrian revolt are really affecting us.
[–]paranode 6 points7 points8 points 15 hours ago
Actually they stormed a KFC in Tripoli... of all things.
[–]ImperialxRat 1 point2 points3 points 14 hours ago
It was a Hardee's god dammit!
[–]TawaNicolas[S] 1 point2 points3 points 12 hours ago
No it was not Hardee's. In Tripoly, KFC and Hardee's are both in the same building, just each restaurant has one side of it. Check the pictures again and you'll be sure it's KFC.
The Arab Spring fucktards, in contrast to the pro-Qadaffi good guys? Love dictators much?
[–]solidzombie 2 points3 points4 points 17 hours ago
"... 3 inches of bullet-proof glass MADE BY SCIENCE!"
[–]hackysacks 9 points10 points11 points 15 hours ago
The modern catholic church doesn't generally try to deny science.
[–]bleedingheartsurgery -3 points-2 points-1 points 14 hours ago
except god and all
[–]hackysacks 7 points8 points9 points 14 hours ago
Science doesn't deny the existence of a god; it simply finds no evidence of one.
[–]butch81385 0 points1 point2 points 14 hours ago
And obviously belief in a god denies science. I'm sure Einstein would agree with you.... oh wait....
[–]kkjdroid 0 points1 point2 points 4 hours ago
Einstein was most certainly a pantheist...
[–]IamVasi 0 points1 point2 points 16 hours ago
"WHERE IS YOUR GOD NOW?"
[–]PKMKII 0 points1 point2 points 16 hours ago
Just how bad is the security/political situation in Lebanon ATM?
[–]valmian 0 points1 point2 points 8 hours ago
Lebanon isn't that bad, well at least when I went there. Most of the problems are spillover from Syria.
[–]Robert_Cannelin 1 point2 points3 points 15 hours ago
God helps those who help themselves. Or so I hear.
[–]blulink -1 points0 points1 point 15 hours ago
Good reason for repost!
[–]RookieGames 0 points1 point2 points 14 hours ago
I would have never guessed he'd be in a white car...
[–]daklassy1 0 points1 point2 points 14 hours ago
"GET DOWN, RPG!"
[–]artmaximum99 1 point2 points3 points 14 hours ago
Is it....rocket proof glass?
[–]avoutour 0 points1 point2 points 13 hours ago
All somebody would have to do it put some fanta outside the pope mobile and he would be out!
why bother when you have Force Push?
[–]dmenk93 1 point2 points3 points 13 hours ago
Well just think about it this way.. If he were to not have that bullet proof glass protecting him, it is inevitable he would be shot. Now, can you imagine the revolt of all the christians in the world, it wouldnt matter who shot him because the athiests would certianly be blamed for this "terrible tragedy." All hell would break out. I, for that reason am glad he is shielded and protected.
[–]armchairdetective 0 points1 point2 points 13 hours ago
Bill Hicks said it first, and he said it better.
[–]eject_eject 0 points1 point2 points 13 hours ago
It's not God that's the problem, it's the people with free-will that are prone to doing something stupid that's the problem.
[–]squigs 1 point2 points3 points 12 hours ago
The Catholic church is quite clear that God, doesn't violate his own rules of nature without a very specific reason.
Exactly why is a mystery that the Catholic church can't answer. But there are many reasonable explanations. Perhaps God feels that we should deal with our own issues rather than hoping Daddy fixes it.
Personally I think it's that God doesn't exist, but this is hardly a "checkmate" Catholics argument.
[–]OompaLoompa4Life 0 points1 point2 points 12 hours ago
Is this...somehow not consistent with biblical interpretation of faith?
[–]LaMareeNoire 0 points1 point2 points 12 hours ago
"Have faith in Allah, but still tie down your camel"
[–]mynameisgrein 0 points1 point2 points 11 hours ago
This re-post is as old as the pope.
[–]VforVendetta- 1 point2 points3 points 11 hours ago
im from lebanon TOO! proud to see lebanese atheists hehe
[–]RickRussellTX 0 points1 point2 points 11 hours ago
I'm just glad my kids are on this side of the glass.
[–]jimjoebob -1 points0 points1 point 9 hours ago
step 1: buy condoms and mayonnaise
step 2: fill condoms with mayonnaise
step 3: throw condoms at Popemobile as it passes
step 4: HILARITY (as long as you get away with it!)
:P
[–]ichigo2862 -1 points0 points1 point 8 hours ago
blind faith in religion: irrational fools! pragmatism despite religion: hypocrites!
[–]samebray 0 points1 point2 points 6 hours ago
I see they don't put three inches of glass in front of the driver
[–]404-shame-not-found 0 points1 point2 points 1 hour ago
Just use a rocket launcher already.
[–]wojovox 0 points1 point2 points 18 hours ago
The truth is someone probably would kill him if he removed the glass. It is completely ridiculous still.
[–]owlsrule143 0 points1 point2 points 18 hours ago
The joke is that supposedly he talks to god so god should stop anyone from killing him.. Therefore there is no god because someone would shoot him
[–]notmadatall 6 points7 points8 points 17 hours ago
even as an atheist that statement makes no sense.
[–]Fleshgrinder 3 points4 points5 points 17 hours ago
It's a pretty simple concept.
God has a plan. You die when God says. 3 feet of bullet proof glass pretty much proves that the pope doesn't trust God's plan.
Hence the Pope is probably actually a non believer.
My theory is that most believers actually don't believe, as they wear seat belts.
[–]butch81385 1 point2 points3 points 14 hours ago
God has a plan. the Catholic Church believes that God gave humans free will. That means the choices people make can differ from God's will. Just because can stop a flying bullet, or stop a person from firing that bullet, doesn't mean that he has to. Seeing as how the Bible is pretty clear about purposefully testing God (see the story about Jesus refusing to jump off of a building to have the angels catch him) I think its pretty smart to take precautionary measures of your own in a situation like that.
[–]JimboDeSarasate 0 points1 point2 points 6 hours ago
In all my years as a Catholic, the very few times I heard someone talk of "trusting in God's plan" or "God decided it was time" it was some unordained speaker who probably converted from an Evangelical faith and brought those vestiges with them. The Catholic Church focuses much more on a "Build the City of God" mentality where followers are to take matters into their own hands, make good investments, be rational about worldly matters, and use the gifts and talents they have to make the world a better place for humanity. Faith is reserved for things like believing Jesus was God, Mary was immaculate, the Eucharist is actually Divine, etc.
[–]Carbun -3 points-2 points-1 points 17 hours ago
If god really existed, he would stop anything which could harm is representative amongst the human race. However, I don't really know, because god could be a 3.5 inches bulletproof glass pane without us knowing. This could make pretty much sense now.
[–]WillyWankerFagtory -1 points0 points1 point 15 hours ago
Shoot RPG at it. How is your god now?
How many IEDs have gone off in Iraq over the past decade?
If nobody kills the Pope, it's because nobody cared very much.
[–]themadtinfoilhatter 1 point2 points3 points 16 hours ago
Sho jay y3ml 3andkon?
[–]NotBatman374 2 points3 points4 points 17 hours ago
It must be boring in the pope-mobile...I bet he has black sabbath playing to keep himself entertained.
[–]Sejes89 -1 points0 points1 point 17 hours ago
What about the US? Nothin says "In God we trust" like 45% of your GDP spent on the department of defence.
[–]dpm5d 2 points3 points4 points 16 hours ago
you're off by an order of magnitude.
wikipedia
bea
The US is in no way a Christian nation
[–]Notblackandwhite 0 points1 point2 points 17 hours ago
I still can't believe that these pictures make it this far. This is a poorly conceived joke that wasn't funny the first time it was made
[–]BugLamentations -2 points-1 points0 points 15 hours ago
Christian's believe that God himself came to earth in human form, and was then wrongly accused, tortured, and murdered for telling the truth.
It's not a religion of blind faith and panglossian thinking.
[–]keeboz 1 point2 points3 points 13 hours ago
Then what is it?
[–]BugLamentations -1 points0 points1 point 13 hours ago
At a simple level a way to accept suffering without blowing your brains out.
[–]rasputine 0 points1 point2 points 9 hours ago
You're right, it's actually an anti-intellectual anti-woman cult of human sacrifice and ritualistic cannibalism.
Of course, jesus wasn't crucified for telling the truth, and I seem to recall saint thomas being widely mocked for wanting some sort of evidence, and there was certainly no prohibitions agains testing god anywhere around luke 4:9-12, but you know, totally no blind faith here.
[–]BugLamentations 0 points1 point2 points 8 hours ago
Wow, did you come up with all that vitriol for yourself or did you read the Cliff's Notes for Atheism for Dummies?
[–]rasputine 0 points1 point2 points 8 hours ago
I found it nestled between your apologism and outright lies.
[–]BugLamentations -1 points0 points1 point 6 hours ago
retort, it burns
i iz athiest now
[–]KhronanWork -4 points-3 points-2 points 17 hours ago
Not sure what is better.... This picture, or the fact that the imgur link is YjFaG
[–]hackysacks 2 points3 points4 points 15 hours ago
THAT'S A WORD
[–]dusty071 -2 points-1 points0 points 16 hours ago
who the fuck is still religious these days?
[–]Triffer93 3 points4 points5 points 14 hours ago
Many, unfortunately.
[–]What33 -1 points0 points1 point 13 hours ago
Me
[–]pokker -8 points-7 points-6 points 17 hours ago
Please shot him.
[–]Darthcaboose 1 point2 points3 points 16 hours ago
That's not a nice thing to do!
a pie to the face would be epic, however
assuming he didn't die (I think he probably has like 2hp by now)
[–]pokker -2 points-1 points0 points 16 hours ago
God will save him.
[–]Panhead93 0 points1 point2 points 13 hours ago
Well if one has faith in God, that doesn't mean that going out declaring "Hey! I'm completely vulnerable so you guys can kill me!" isn't dumb. I'm pretty sure there's people out there wanting to kill the pope. He needs protection. It's that simple
all it takes is a username and password
create account
is it really that easy? only one way to find out...
already have an account and just want to login?
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