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[–]Feyle 5 points6 points ago

No one here is claiming that all Muslims are terrorists.

[–]godsfordummies 3 points4 points ago

Read this before you make such a headline based on a silly photo.

[–]Hishutash 0 points1 point ago

I don't see what's so shocking there. As the first comment on that submission says:

Ever think any of that has got to do with the fact that their families, their way of life, and their stuff, is being blown to shit by NATO forces?

Maybe if this data came before the War of Terror was mismanaged horribly and indiscriminate violence resulted against Muslim people, abroad and at home, then these figures would not be so bad.

https://reddit.com/r/atheism/comments/vubyx/only_a_tiny_minority_of_extremists/c587g8m

The Christian/Secular West is far worse in that it it democratically wages mass murderous wars, terrorism, destruction and repression over the globe. And we're supposed to be outraged by Muslims holding hostile views in response? Also this comment also completely demolishes the author's narrative - http://reddit.com/r/atheism/comments/vubyx/only_a_tiny_minority_of_extremists/c57s50l

[–]godsfordummies 0 points1 point ago

The link was to disprove that terrorist supporters are some fringe minority. They aren't.

You're correct, US and NATO did and keep doing a lot of horrible shit in the Middle East, but there's no fucking way they directly affected such huge percentages of the populations.

And I also realize that freedom fighters can be labeled terrorists sometimes, but that's not the case if you've read the link. These people support terrorism against civilians.

[–]Hishutash 0 points1 point ago

The link was to disprove that terrorist supporters are some fringe minority. They aren't.

Actually polls conclusively disprove that too:

Evidence refutes the argument that Islam encourages violence more than other religions. Residents of the Organisation of the Islamic Cooperation (OIC) member states are slightly less likely than residents of non-member states to view military attacks on civilians as sometimes justified

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You're correct, US and NATO did and keep doing a lot of horrible shit in the Middle East, but there's no fucking way they directly affected such huge percentages of the populations.

You're right. They can't be pissed of at being repressed by decades of murderous western tyrants or the genocidal violence the west unleashed recently. They actually are all very grateful! People just love colonial hegemony!

And I also realize that freedom fighters can be labeled terrorists sometimes, but that's not the case if you've read the link. These people support terrorism against civilians.

Not as much as western Christians and atheists do as my link demonstrates. Not only do westerners support attacks against civilians at higher rates but they regularly elect war criminal politicians to carry out horrific industrial violence around the globe. Thus the west has no moral high ground here. Especially the "new atheism" which has cheer-led the recent wars in the mideast.

[–]godsfordummies 0 points1 point ago

Not as much as western Christians and atheists do as my link demonstrates

Your link doesn't even break down by religion.

It breaks votes down by huge regions, and mostly deals with military attacks, not terror attacks.

And by the way, if you think I'm defending christians, I'm not. They are just as bad. They use modern technology to terrorize half of the world. And that still doesn't justify terrorist attacks against civilians.

[–]Tarbourite 2 points3 points ago

stop apologizing for your religion, you are better then it.

[–]treasonistruth[S] -4 points-3 points ago

I'm an atheist actually. Just don't go on /r/atheism.

[–]MIUfish 4 points5 points ago

I'm an atheist actually. Just don't go on /r/atheism.

And yet here you are, complaining about "other threads" on the topic, and making a post yourself.

[–]Tarbourite 0 points1 point ago

sorry I was being a knee-jerk atheist

[–]helbertnc 2 points3 points ago

Rational people don't think that all Muslims are terrorists. While there is a certain portion of the American population who believes that they are, you probably won't find them on r/atheism

[–]kencabbit 0 points1 point ago

"All Muslims are terrorists" would not be the representative statement, anyway.

[–]TheCannon 0 points1 point ago

Some, however, are. And that's quite enough to be a problem, especially when they are able to justify their terrorism with the same book that the guy in the picture also thinks is the best book ever written.

[–]treasonistruth[S] -1 points0 points ago

That's only a minority of people. For example, a minority of Christians justify acts of hatred and murder with the Bible in the modern world.

[–]MIUfish 2 points3 points ago

And only a minority of the people here believe that all muslims are terrorists.

Congratulations, you've made the very mistake you're accusing us of.

[–]TheCannon 1 point2 points ago

They do, and they have. No amount of atrocity, however, justifies more.

Nonetheless, when you tell people that those that fight in the way of Allah will be favored by their creator, there are going to be some people that believe it and will do whatever necessary to gain that favor.

[–]Rixxali 0 points1 point ago

Just FYI, this is covered in the FAQ.

[–]snakeseare -2 points-1 points ago

But it's OK to attack a US embassy over a movie, or a Danish embassy over a cartoon, or fly airplanes into buildings. Most popular baby name in Dubai maternity wards in the weeks after 9/11? Osama.

[–]helbertnc 4 points5 points ago

Let me get this straight; in your mind: Stating the fact that not all Muslims are terrorists = support for terrorism. Sound logic...

[–]snakeseare -2 points-1 points ago

Need to get your own mind straight. I didn't say that. I said there is far more widespread violent extremism in the Arab world, and far more widespread support for extreme action, than people want to admit. The Danish cartoons inspired widespread violent rioting. It's not too late for the same reaction to spread over this movie. Not every Muslim is a terrorist, but saying "oh, it's just a few outliers" is bullshit. It's a cultural norm that many Muslims, especially Arab Muslims, support. Of course, in Bali you may have a hard time convincing anyone that Arabs are worse than others.

[–]firefae_ignis 0 points1 point ago

The Christian church would force baptism onto everyone, make them pay for it, and kill them if they questioned god in the dark ages. Violence caused by religion is not exclusive to Islam. I don't care if you are religious, but if that drives you to extremes I will dance at your funeral and piss on your grave.

[–]--Heisenberg-- 3 points4 points ago

Most popular baby name in Dubai maternity wards in the weeks after 9/11? Osama.

[Citation Needed].

[–]snakeseare 0 points1 point ago

My wife was a nursery nurse back in the day. You can believe what you like.

[–]treasonistruth[S] -2 points-1 points ago

You fail to notice that any religion is capable of that, and that you should not slander a single religion because of the people who have done horrible actions in its name. We can acknowledge those actions, but we must not judge everybody and everything about in that religion negatively because of those actions.

[–]Mitchel1497 1 point2 points ago

HE'S TELLING US TO RESPECT OTHERS! DOWNVOTE HIM

[–]MIUfish 0 points1 point ago

We tend to dislike all theistic religions around here.

[–]treasonistruth[S] -5 points-4 points ago

I tend to wish most of /r/atheism didn't hate everybody who practiced them too.

[–]kencabbit 3 points4 points ago

Wish granted.

[–]treasonistruth[S] -1 points0 points ago

I said most. You're probably an exception, have an upvote.

[–]kencabbit 0 points1 point ago

I don't think I'm an exception. Most of the people that most of the people here interact with on a daily basis are religious. It would be silly to think that we hate all of them.

[–]corduroy182 0 points1 point ago

It took me way too long to read that. 'Most of the people...'

[–]MIUfish 2 points3 points ago

Hating religions is not the same thing as hating religious people.

[–]treasonistruth[S] -1 points0 points ago

True, but hate isn't right. Criticism and skepticism are fine. Just outright hate is wrong. You say it's wrong when Christians hate homosexuality and atheism, so why hate religions?

[–]MIUfish -1 points0 points ago

Because they're stupid and harmful.

[–]treasonistruth[S] -1 points0 points ago

Harmful depending on its followers, as far as I've seen. The religious sects with the radicals tend to do the killing, such as Al-Qaeda.

You could also say "I disagree with the dogma of religion" instead of saying "Because they're stoopid." Just seems a bit more polite.

[–]MIUfish 0 points1 point ago

Harmful depending on its followers, as far as I've seen. The religious sects with the radicals tend to do the killing, such as Al-Qaeda.

And the moderates enable them by validating the idea that basing your life decisions on the whims of an imaginary magical being and horrific "holy" texts is a good idea.

You could also say "I disagree with the dogma of religion" instead of saying "Because they're stoopid." Just seems a bit more polite.

Around here I don't care too much about politeness. Sometimes there isn't a polite way to say "this is fucking moronic".

Sometimes it's better to just call a spade a spade.