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[–]vty 14 points15 points ago

Can't wait to see your reaction when you get your first "Volume ABCD cannot reserve additional free space. The volume will be set offline if in-use space uses all the current volume reserve."

[–]thisismeworking 4 points5 points ago

Because I don't know the answer for sure shouldn't this event be preventable with proper monitoring?

[–]vty 2 points3 points ago

Yes, you'd set "Reserve limit" alarms- but it's still a scary thing, especially if you're in a small environment and can't really manipulate your LUNs very much- for instance a single SAN w/ all space reserved.

[–]AzMoo 0 points1 point ago

If you're in that environment you probably shouldn't be using thin provisioning.

[–]mcowger[VCDX] 3 points4 points ago

Absolutely preventable with good monitoring.

[–]StrangeWill 0 points1 point ago

Considering I can resize hard drives on the fly in every OS I have... I'll resize the drive instead of risking the volume.

The question mainly is do I trust others to properly monitor it, and I don't. :|

[–]AzMoo 0 points1 point ago

How do you increase the size of a disk in Linux (Assuming no LVM)?

[–]roxshot[S] 0 points1 point ago

I thin'd the guests on our test/dev cluster. I use datastore clustering and storage DRS to balance free space. Are there other problems I should be aware of?

[–]enginbeeringSB 0 points1 point ago

Overprovisioning, basically.

[–]vty 0 points1 point ago

The issue lies in the fact that most of the common SAN devices (including EQL, I'm not familiar with netapp,etc) do not allow for the zeroing of nor downsizing LUNs- not to mention resizing a LUN is considered dangerous on most platforms (I've never attempted it) and regardless requires detaching the LUN in question.

Say you thin provision 10 100g disks onto a 1TB LUN expecting them to never go anywhere near their "available" 100g. Something funky happens, maybe a user dumps their iTunes database into their share, whatever. Months will go by and this will snowball unless the environment is very strictly monitored.

I've had LUNs brought down before when I first began working in these environments, in fact that error is from one of my Equallogics years back. Thank god I had a TON of snapshot reserved space that I was able to wipe out to bring every LUN back online.

FWIW, I honestly have no idea how to recover from a LUN going offline if there is no reserved space and you can't zero out the LUN unused-space. If you can't zero it out, then even if your vmotion some VMs off of it onto another SAN you're still screwed because the SAN doesn't realize that it has any free space.

Anyone have any insight? All I can think of is shutting down every single VM, unmounting the LUN, resizing it via the SAN CLI and hoping none of your vmfs data blocks are touched. Is there a simple DRS option available? VAAI?

What I've learned to follow is "You can always size up.. you can't size down"

[–]7h3dud3 4 points5 points ago

Make sure you have great monitoring in place or you'll be getting wake up calls on some idle 2nd tuesday of the month.

[–]Rollingprobablecause 0 points1 point ago

in a view environment?

[–]roxshot[S] 0 points1 point ago

It not. It's out test/dev guests.

[–]vmotion 1 point2 points ago

Thin provisioning is awesome but can ruin your whole day if you do not monitor your datastores closely. Make sure your alarms are configured and SIOC is enabled (if available) at the least.

[–]qroter 0 points1 point ago

My boss wants to thin provision everything ... I can't talk him out of it.

His latest idea is literally a thin provisioned VMDK on a thin datastore backed by a thin LUN thru DataCore.

FML.

[–]co_alpine 0 points1 point ago

to me thin disks is like trading on margin. it is great until shit hits the fan and you get a call on your orders. I have been wanting to go this way but won't until I get the OK on a standing PO for more storage when we hit 85% and get vC OPs in place. we will get 64% space back when we hit the switch.

[–]Gawdor 0 points1 point ago

If you're running Windows servers and are worried about over commitment, you can "shrink" the partitions under Disk Manager and use a tool to monitor disk volumes expanding them as necessary gradually. This way a single host with an overlarge partition (file share?) can't take down the SAN or the storage if you're unable to monitor it (holidays?).

[–]w2tpmf -3 points-2 points ago

This is one subreddit that I assumed would maintain a certain level of professionalism, and not be plagued with memes and advice animal bullshit. I guess I was wrong.

[–]Arlieth 4 points5 points ago

Oh come on. Memes like this (and the ensuing discussion) are very effective at reinforcing features or warnings. It's like sound-bite education for the attention-impaired.

[–]roxshot[S] 3 points4 points ago

I read the rules first to confirm I wasn't violating them. I'm sorry I brought some frivolity into your otherwise professional sub-reddit.

[–]Sushispook 0 points1 point ago

YOU MONSTER.

[–]contemplation1 4 points5 points ago

I think you are totally out of line for saying this. You know that part of you that defines the word "professionalism"? FYI, it thinks more highly of itself than it should.