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[–]guaranteedTechnologyTollyx 135 points136 points ago

Actually, the author made a fixed version with a thing that actually would piss off most of us.

[–]_retroGnostalgic 74 points75 points ago

That's much, much better than the original.

[–]AeroRon 54 points55 points ago

I was almost legitimately offended when reading the fixed version. Problem Sleuth is a really neat webcomic, and I really enjoyed the first acts of Homestuck.

[–]ShallowBasketcase 3 points4 points ago

So what really pisses off Homestucks is telling them that they should be pissed off if someone says they like Problem Sleuth better.

[–]Raiks 27 points28 points ago

The sad thing is I've met people who have legitimately told people to do that.

[–]technoWandererThatzeraguy 14 points15 points ago

Burn them!

[–]Protikon 1 point2 points ago

Feed them to your local equivalent of a horrorterror lusus!

[–]NotAlways 4 points5 points ago

So...

Do I just attach tentacles to a meat grinder and paint it black?

[–]Homestuckusmcrukus 7 points8 points ago

Uh, thats what I did. Personally, if I didn't...i'm fairly sure I wouldn't of gotten into it. But i didn't skip to see the trolls! Its just I do better at reading something, and get into it better, if I start later into it, then go back and see the points leading to it. But thats just me.

[–]Raiks 16 points17 points ago

The fact that you went back and read it later, makes it acceptable.

It's when people read Act 5 and then ignore everything else is the problem.

[–]BreakerGandalf 7 points8 points ago

Link doesn't work for me.

[–]craftyWordsmith 35 points36 points ago

Actually, I just skipped to Act 5. I love the trolls!

[–]BreakerGandalf 23 points24 points ago

[–]NaknaknakChieron 8 points9 points ago

[–]mynamesinku 12 points13 points ago

actually started shaking from anger.

[–]NineteenthJester 2 points3 points ago

I met a girl at my school who recognized my Hero of Light shirt. She told me that she was reading Act 5 and hadn't read the others. I told her to please read the others and that it was really worth it, despite the length.

[–]Asymmetric33 1 point2 points ago

And you never spoke to her again...

[–]NineteenthJester 1 point2 points ago

No, I actually ran into her again today! She said she finished the whole thing over the weekend and wanted more updates! :D

[–]lots_of_sarcasm 4 points5 points ago

Another suggestion would be, "Wait, was I supposed to read the pesterlogs?"

[–]minno 6 points7 points ago

Huh, I thought the Bad Thing was to say that you just skipped all the troll parts.

[–]gallantTroglodyteGinonotGeno[!] 19 points20 points ago

Both are equally horrendous.

[–]Captain_Ochinchin 15 points16 points ago

Skipping anything is a Homestuck Cardinal Sin.

[–]Asymmetric33 2 points3 points ago

I skipped most of the raps not involving Strider.

[–]BufferUnderpants 2 points3 points ago

[–]Crasher_TL 0 points1 point ago

I skipped the Midnight Crew sub-plot when going through it first. I went and re-read it though.

[–]Captain_Ochinchin 0 points1 point ago

You are forgiven.

[–]_retroGnostalgic 21 points22 points ago

No. With a few exceptions, trolls are totally tangential to the story and, despite of that, they receive excessive attention from the fandom. There's even people who skip the first 4 acts of HS just to read the troll's part.

Definitely, the Bad Thing isn't skipping the troll parts.

[–]ShallowBasketcase 6 points7 points ago

"I didn't read the pesterlogs. They're too long and confusing."

[–]phoneticHijinksGiantfishy 53 points54 points ago

"I skipped the intermission"

"Why is the first act so boring? It's just some nerdy kid doing nothing"

[–]orangejuicenut 16 points17 points ago

Wait... the Midnight crew intermission? MY FAVORITE PART OF HOMESTUCK???

[–]MandyChan 6 points7 points ago

That intermission is one of my favorite parts as well. I'm glad I'm not alone in that. All my buddies skipped it. I wanted to hit them with something.

[–]orangejuicenut 2 points3 points ago

I feel your pain.

[–]InevitablyKriss 2 points3 points ago

Origionally I skimmed it, then skipped it... But later I went back and read the whole thing. And oh my god it was so funny!!! I couldn't believe what I was missing out!

[–]BZRatfink 6 points7 points ago

More evidence that Problem Sleuth is better than Homestuck. ;-)

[–]ShallowBasketcase 6 points7 points ago

I really want a Problem Sleuth intermission in which PS, PI and AD are post-reckoning Prospit exiles that have rebuilt civilization in a film noir style. A perfect counterpart to the Midnight Crew intermission.

Oh gog, the recent Jail Break references with Jack in the Prospit Jail were freaking incredible.

Some days, Hussie just trolls all the shippers and plot-guessers, and some days, he gently caresses the throbbing cock of the fandom, looks it straight in the eye and says "we're doing this. We're making this happen."

[–]_Capt_Ido_Nos 2 points3 points ago

Believe it or not, I think I've actually seen that already floating around here...

[–]447u 1 point2 points ago

First I skipped it, then I was like "Who's this English guy?" and read it.

[–]Still chasing tigersThrowawayspy2000 8 points9 points ago

Everyone I know skipped the intermission. :(

WHY? The midnight crew are so cool!

[–]Flargus 6 points7 points ago

I was thinking of skipping through it originally, without knowing that it had anything to do with anything, but by the time I was thinking about it, it ended.

[–]ShallowBasketcase 5 points6 points ago

I started skipping it because I was catching up and didn't have time for this intermission bullshit! I need to know what's going on in the story!

But then while I was flipping through pages, I caught a glimpse of, I think, Karkat, and suddenly realized this wasn't some off-topic tangent, the intermission was actually part of the story!

So then I went back and read it.

I think most people skip it because they think it doesn't matter much.

[–]mchief 1 point2 points ago

It saddens me to not be able to feel your pain as I have not read PS but I know that hussie is going to put some homestuck intermission in the new comic and all my friends are going to skip it.

[–]darth_aardvark 37 points38 points ago

pretty sure 'Oh, the log thingies were too long so I skipped them' is the absolutely worst thing they could say.

[–]MrCheeze 38 points39 points ago

If you actually care enough about PS to even bring it up, you're better than most fans nowadays.

[–]mynamesinku 23 points24 points ago

i planned to read ps in between the updates of hs. my plan failed. i immediately dropped everything to read ps.

[–]SamPole 17 points18 points ago

While there are a lot of holes that JK Rowling fails to fill in the Potter series, I thought the Time Turner one was actually answered in book three. IIRC the book showed that time travel in the Potter Universe did not change anything at all. The things they did while going back in time were already happening while they were going through the timeline the first time. I'm sure there's a technical term for this form/theory of time travel...

Anyway, if someone brought up that "flaw" I'd get excited rather than mad. I'd also probably bring up other big holes such as the lack of guns.

[–]Makinporing 8 points9 points ago

That's why you're supposed to get mad, because it implies he didn't even read the books.

[–]SamPole 4 points5 points ago

Ohhh. That makes sense I guess.

[–]mahouyousei 3 points4 points ago

Pretty much like Jade catching her frogs. She had already caught them, so to speak.

[–]SamPole 3 points4 points ago

Yes. Exactly!

And now this thread actually has something to tie it to this subreddit.

[–]pyrom_magep 4 points5 points ago

I fail to see how guns are still relevant when you can shout two words, point at someone, and instantly kill them. No ammo, no delay between getting hit and dying, and the hit is always fatal. If your goal is murder, magic seems to have the most efficient and most effective method on the market.

[–]SamPole 13 points14 points ago

First off, pointing a gun and pulling a trigger will always be faster than pointing a wand and shouting an incantation.

While Avada Kadavra is often claimed to be completely unblockable, we often saw Harry block it by casting his own spell that would meet Voldemorts in mid-air. Now, my idea (which is a bit silly and I don't actually think it belongs in the books) is that Harry should have a small firearm concealed in his left hand. When the beams interact, Harry shoots with his left hand. Bullets are faster than spells. Can Voldemort really deflect that the way he deflects spells?

[–]trulyElse 4 points5 points ago

Good luck being a teenage kid trying to get a gun in England, though.

[–]Protikon 2 points3 points ago

He has contacts in the governvent.

[–]BootOnFace 4 points5 points ago

I also like to see those giants and werewolves try to invade Hogwarts with machine guns stationed at the ramparts.

[–]ShallowBasketcase 2 points3 points ago

Why don't they just use guns as wands? Can't they have magic guns? Then they can shoot stuff, but still be wizards. That's got to be at least the same as just using a wand, plus the added benefit of also being a gun, so it's better by default.

Like Hagrid's umbrella wand. Now that's smart. He doesn't just carry around some stick because he needs it to do magic. He also uses it as an umbrella! By default, that's better than any other wand, because any other wand can't be used as an umbrella.

[–]SamPole 0 points1 point ago

The series shows that complicated/powerful spells, especially the unforgivable curses, require a verbal incantation. It can't be as fast as a gun. Perhaps there's a way, but I'm sure if Voldemort could make his wand shoot out killing spells at full-auto or even semi-auto, he would have done so. But, as I've stated in this thread, Rowling leaves the limits of magic very vague. We may never know.

I'm going to have to disagree with your logic though. Combining two things doesn't automatically make them better. If I had the choice between a wand that could do magic and an cumbersome umbrella that could do the same magic, I'd choose the wand. Not to mention the fact that there's probably some sort of magic that would repel water (I think there is? Book 3?)

[–]FFF12321 1 point2 points ago

Well you can't forget that Harry is a SPECIAL CHARACTER (he has that link with Voldemort through which he gets different abilities he otherwise wouldn't have like being a Parselmouth, his wand is linked to that of Voldemorts which is why the spirits helped him in book 4, and he has the power of love on his side).

If a spell can lift things or summon an object from really far away, why can't it deflect a bullet? The expelliarmus spell exists, I'm sure someone has created or could create a barrier type of spell like the enchantment used on Hogwarts for personal use.

[–]SamPole 2 points3 points ago

Of course! My stupid strategy would only work because of how their two wands interact.

And yeah, that's one theory that could explain why guns would be completely useless. However, I feel that Voldemort is a cocky guy and the use of a weapon created by an "inferior muggle" would probably not even cross his mind. This is why it would be so powerful. Who would even think of protecting themselves from faster-than-sound projectiles? No one brings a gun to a wand fight.

People in this thread also brought up many other muggle weapons and strategies that could be employed in the fight against Voldemort.

[–]FFF12321 1 point2 points ago

Oh yes, I agree that there are situations in which muggle tech is superior to wizard magic, but on the other hand we lack a lot of knowledge about how these two types of things interact - how effective are barrier enchantments? Are they portable and easily cast when needed or do they need a constant stream of magic to sustain them?

I have a feeling that if muggles and wizards got into open conflict, the wizards wouldn't lose because they couldn't defend themselves, but because they have a drastically smaller population/fighting force (it's already basically a very small undergound population as it is). Wizards have shown themselves to be extremely resilient even after being hunted down in the past by muggles and many are (seemingly) intelligent, so I'm sure there are Hermione Grangers out there always making new spells to use.

[–]SamPole 0 points1 point ago

And that's the thing I realized re-reading through the series with my younger brother this Summer. Rowling leaves many things about magic, how it works, and its limits very ambiguous and undefined. Still a great series of course but not quite as...complete as I remembered.

And yeah, totally agree on that second paragraph.

[–]OccamsAxe 7 points8 points ago

Actually, muggle tech is superior in some ways. Sure, you've got Avada Kedavra, but the novels make note that it is possible to dodge it (implying that there is a delay) or block it with a physical barrier. I also don't recall anyone using it unless they were relatively close, implying there is a range of effectiveness. Muggles have high-powered rifles, and that is on the low-end of our killing technology. I think a well-trained sniper would be better at killing someone than a well-trained wizard or witch.

[–]orangejuicenut 2 points3 points ago

Nuclear weapons?

[–]Asymmetric33 2 points3 points ago

While valid, it's a weak answer. Basically: "Why didn't you try to use time travel to stop him? Because that didn't happen."

[–]SamPole 1 point2 points ago

Yeah, I'll give you that. It's a weak answer that's used in so very many stories involving time travel. But you have to keep the timeline stable; you can't go creating paradoxes and whatnot. Who knows what kind of shit would happen by going back decades and killing a mass-murderer! There are so many variables in play.

[–]Isxida 10 points11 points ago

I prefer Bard Quest :P

[–]ShallowBasketcase 0 points1 point ago

Remember the good ol' days when this site was about Ms. Paint's Adventures?

[–]Isxida 0 points1 point ago

not much, i'm from the problem sleuth gen but i lol'ed with Bard Quest :P

[–]Jukepot 8 points9 points ago

I do prefer Problem Sleuth...

[–]ShallowBasketcase 1 point2 points ago

Too bad this million dollar Homestuck game is happening.

We could have had Problem Sleuth 2!

[–]Seer of TimeLucienPyrus 28 points29 points ago

Actually I do like Problem Sleuth more than homestuck. But they are both my favorite webcomic or even comics of all time

[–]energeticRedditormaku450 7 points8 points ago

Agreed. Both are fantastic, but I find Problem Sleuth better than Homestuck in a lot of ways.

But then again Homestuck isn't complete yet. After it's complete it might be better comparable to PS.

[–]Seer of TimeLucienPyrus 5 points6 points ago

I agree. Homestuck isn't over and the final act could really push it over.

[–]InevitablyKriss 2 points3 points ago

Just curious, but why in your opinion is Problem Sleuth better than Homestuck?

I started reading Problem Sleuth and it's very enjoyable. I've stopped reading for a while, but I remember where I left off... (MKP just escaped the room Death was in playing a game, and just returned to life) but the two series seem very different from eachother. Homestuck seems much BIGGER....

[–]FFF12321 1 point2 points ago

I think they are far too different to really make a fair comparison. The beginning of HS was very PS'esque, but it quickly transformed into its own type of being.

I do agree that PS is better overall I think, but largely because it was much more concise and tight in some ways from a narrative perspective (the only goal was to escape the office which they characters eventually did [of course, the last 6 months or so was focused on killing MKP but that was necessary to meet the main goal]). HS just keeps adding on more and more things, and resolving little by comparison. I am hoping that HS' final act has an extremely tight narrative and focuses on bringing everything to a conclusion quickly.

[–]AlchyTimesThree 0 points1 point ago

Same. Started with Problem Sleuth way back, and it's probably my first or second favorite webcomic.

[–]new favorite playerLockski -1 points0 points ago

Started problem sleuth. It's fun to read but it is confusing and random. Half way through the story I got the gist of it all and understand all the references in homestuck. I can't go back to finish it, though.

[–]sillybear25 7 points8 points ago

I think "Gen 3" would piss off more bronies than "Gen 1"

Gen 1 was actually pretty decent, from what I hear.

[–]bo0pfyrenwater 6 points7 points ago

Gen 1 had generic characters for a toy commercial in show format. Gen 3 was an abomination. It's less a matter of "decent" and more a matter of worse and worser.

[–]EzioClarke 2 points3 points ago

And well, Gen 1 got that evil villain, with the evil castle and all the plot of "transforming the kidnapped ponies into the 4 horses of the apocalypse" of course they defeat it using the power of rainbows, but if you think about it, it was pretty Bad-Ass.

Gen 3.5 man... just... burn it! burn it and trow it to the river!

[–]ghostNomadGhostDetective 1 point2 points ago

I can corroborate the truth in this statement.

[–]EzioClarke 0 points1 point ago

I can corroborate the truth in this comment.

[–]Douche_ex_machina 23 points24 points ago

Actually, as a pokemon fan, I would get more pissed off if someone said that the only real pokemon were the first 150.

[–]OccamsAxe 10 points11 points ago

The third generation is actually one of my favorites, coming just behind the second and just ahead of the fifth.

[–]rmphys 3 points4 points ago

I know right, everyone know that it's only the first 151 that matter. Sheesh!

[–]TehDingo 5 points6 points ago

Yeah. When people say that I just tune them out. Gen 3 is a pretty amazing one. Mettagross Motherfucker!

[–]Still chasing tigersThrowawayspy2000 4 points5 points ago

I'm in 4/6 of these fandoms. If someone gets all of them do they get a prize?

[–]revolverzanbolt 3 points4 points ago

Subscribed to /r/homestuck, /r/doctorwho, use to go on Harry Potter message boards, Played Pokemon since Gen 1, and watched the Legend of Korra as it was airing. I'm half tempted to start watching MLP just to finish off the bingo.

[–]loathsomeIndividualbenzrf 0 points1 point ago

Started watching MLP a little while ago on Netflix. I wouldn't consider myself a brony, but it's a decent show, although the first five or so episodes aren't super great. It's really no worse than any other show in the Spongebob age group; the characters are just ponies. Also there's an obligated moral about friendship at the end of each episode, but thankfully it doesn't take up much room.

[–]MrLostman 6 points7 points ago

I'm not a Whovian, but I'm pretty sure Dr. Who existed way before Bill and Ted. Haha.

[–]hrethel 25 points26 points ago

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[–]cyanCrusader 8 points9 points ago

I'm pretty sure Doctor Who existed before Alex Winter. Keanu, as everyone knows, is an ancient immortal.

[–]ZapActions-dower 5 points6 points ago

The joke is not only are the wrong, they completely ignore all the Doctors prior to the Ninth. There have been 11 Doctors so far (all the same guy in different "reincarnations") going all the way back to the '60s.

[–]byronicNerosenfood 2 points3 points ago

Problem Sleuth was my first foray into MSPA after I stumbled upon WV: Ascend in /r/comics. I am so very glad I didn't skip it. It helped me enjoy Homestuck so much more.

[–]Shion_Eliphas_Levi 3 points4 points ago

Gen 3 was the best gen!

[–]ZapActions-dower 5 points6 points ago

Gen 2 all the way, and this is coming from someone who started when Blue and Red first came out in the US.

[–]Shion_Eliphas_Levi 0 points1 point ago

I don't really think any gen is much more superior to any other gen but three is still my favorite and it irritates me to no end when people say its the worst.

[–]naknaknak1338h4x 2 points3 points ago

Compared to gen II, it was a massive step backwards. Only one regjon, no backwards trading, and the new regional Pokedex only let you catch 200 Pokemon - less than what gen II offered! So to a lot of fans it was a big slap in the face when it came out and had so much less content than its predecessor while also making us all abandon our old stuff.

I still can't get over the 200 Pokedex thing. The worst part is that they left out any indication that the missing species were still in the game data to be released later, leading me to think they'd retconned everybody out. And when they finally did release the other games, they spread those species extra thin so that you needed 5 extra games before you could finally Catch 'Em All again.

[–]neverdeadned -1 points0 points ago

after gen2, being able to visit multiple regions is what made me look forward to new games. and it never happened again....

[–]ZapActions-dower 2 points3 points ago

I haven't really put much thought into ranking them, myself. I've played Blue, Yellow, Gold, Crystal, Ruby, FireRed, Red, and Pearl, roughly in that order. Also Emerald, but only for a few hours. Gold is my favorite, though Crystal might have beaten it had I not lost it.

[–]TehDingo 1 point2 points ago

Emerald is straight up the best pokemon game at least up until B/W. Maybe even still. The Battle Frontier was an amazing turn for the series, I mean... an end game! Pokemon got an endgame in single player, for fucks sake!

[–]Homestuckusmcrukus 2 points3 points ago

Fuck yeah man, I loved gen 3. Why do people hate the thing so much? It was fucking great.

[–]Tyranristocrat 1 point2 points ago

It's time to confess.

I skipped Act 3 Intermission.

I'm so sorry.

[–]Dorotheos 12 points13 points ago

No need to apologize, you're only hurting yourself.

[–]Homestuckusmcrukus 0 points1 point ago

Shh...I did too.

[–]sleepyrivertroll 0 points1 point ago

As some one who has had long discussions into the night talking about different strategies and generations of Pokemon, that didn't piss me off at all.

The fixed version for Homestuck made my eye twitch a bit though...

[–]supermonkey1313 0 points1 point ago

I'm most of these, and the only one that really pisses me off is the Potterhead one. Some people just have no grasp of time travel.

[–]Protikon 0 points1 point ago

There are various types of time travel, Potters and Artemis' being only one of them. The one that doesen't change the past.

[–]MandyChan 0 points1 point ago

I love Homestuck, but I actually do prefer Problem Sleuth. :)

[–]EzioClarke 0 points1 point ago

No... just no, saying that the Avatar movie was "good" is just looking for problem...

[–]Geoffron 0 points1 point ago

"Yeah I just skipped all the pesterlogs"

[–]NotBenStiller 0 points1 point ago

Let's see, I'm a fan of all but Doctor Who. My reactions?

Potterfans: MIND BLOWN.

Avatards: Never seen the movie so lol.

Pokemon: Damn straight it was.

Bronies: Offended because I don't need more shows to watch!

Homestucks: Offended because one does not simply BE Homestuck.