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This is how I see the Maori Iwi right now (imgur.com)
submitted 12 days ago by 12usskian
[–]nomlah■_■ 16 points17 points18 points 12 days ago
The Maori concept of ownership is greatly different to our own, The fact that we didn't respect their concept of communal ownership by iwi meant that for decades we felt free to take their land. The fact that we are now discussing Water and even Air ownership isn't a bad thing, it's a good thing to come to grips with this at last so that we can move on.
The fact that it's an unusual concept to you or me is probably how the Maori felt about individual ownership when we first came to New Zealand. European land law was enforced on them a people who didn't understand it, I don't see why we shouldn't at least hear out and collectively determine together how air and water should be treated.
You may think its silly but then again once upon a time you needed to only walk far enough, find land that wasn't being used and say "well this is mine, I'm going to build my home here."
Water will eventually be rare enough that people will try and claim it. You're lucky it's the Maori doing it first, at least they believe that water should be reserved for communal gain and use. Thus their uppity response to privatization of assets on what they see as communally beneficial Maori water.
[–]greylyn 8 points9 points10 points 12 days ago
I'm also happy they're doing it because it's the only realistic chance we have at blocking asset sales. As far as I can tell, they're doing this in the best interests of the whole nation - a nation that is majorly opposed to asset sales but seems resigned to its inevitability. Thank god for the iwi standing up to John Key, imo.
[–]pokwer 1 point2 points3 points 12 days ago
This: "Why we should all rally around the Treaty over water rights and asset sales today" from TUMEKE! blog:
http://tumeke.blogspot.co.nz/2012/09/why-we-should-all-rally-around-treaty.html
[–]greylyn 1 point2 points3 points 12 days ago
FTA:
It is the attempt to privatize that has created this response because Maori are the last line of defense for our national sovereignty.
Fuck yes. They're the only ones putting up a decent fight.
[–]TBradley 2 points3 points4 points 12 days ago
It's not THAT unusual of a concept to Pakeha:
Commons refers to belonging (accessible) to all. An unregulated commons can get destroyed pretty easily. So in the case of something like water there's the concept that people have the right to draw in certain amounts or the right to draw in particular ways. Now the quirk in this that has cropped up in the US as well as apparently NZ is that the right to draw has been basically determined in a very muddled common law style. Seems like the NZ Treasury has a pretty good page about it
http://www.treasury.govt.nz/publications/research-policy/wp/2003/03-02/11.htm
As you can see the assemblage of these water rights has been pretty haphazard and one of the challenges of the Maori claims is it's calling attention to the oddities of the system as practiced. Plus there is the verbal queasiness of terms and definitions being in two different languages.
After writing that it occurs to me that the controversy is even more blatantly politically motivated, because the Maori concept of water use and the "commons" concept seem to match up pretty well.
[–]Becomeafan 12 points13 points14 points 12 days ago
Can someone explain to me how Maori iwi are like CGI seagulls?
I really don't get it...
[–]hugies 23 points24 points25 points 12 days ago
In the movie Finding Nemo, the seagulls only line is "mine" whenever they see a tasty treat such as a fish or crab.
12ussian is making a hilarious joke about how the natives are claiming everything.
[–]Becomeafan 17 points18 points19 points 12 days ago
Mind = Blown!!!
I thought the finding Nemo Seaguls were Australian, and they said MATE, MATE, MATE.
But yea that's kind-of racist.
[–]deyur 7 points8 points9 points 12 days ago
kind-of racist
Welcome to New Zealand.
[–]Becomeafan 7 points8 points9 points 12 days ago
I live in Australia. Better kind-of racist that just outright racist....
[–]paulfknwalsh 14 points15 points16 points 12 days ago
yeah, except.. it was theirs. not their fault the English sucked at sharing.
[–]Becomeafan 15 points16 points17 points 12 days ago
Reminds me of the "Boat people" debate in Australia
[–]Subversive 2 points3 points4 points 12 days ago
That would be funnier if it said "So do we".
[–]ChipChase -5 points-4 points-3 points 12 days ago
It was theirs, and then war. Then treaty. Don't agree with the way the treaty is enforced then why not war? I'll tell you why not; it's because they'd be wiped out. So why not just take the crumbs they've been given and be happy?
[–]Eist 10 points11 points12 points 12 days ago
So why not just take the crumbs they've been given and be happy?
Because we are reasonable people, and not barbarians? I'm shocked you are not a troll, actually.
[–]ChipChase -1 points0 points1 point 12 days ago
You don't speak for everyone.
[–]Eist 0 points1 point2 points 12 days ago
Well, neither do you. What's your point? They are both just opinions.
[–]ChipChase 0 points1 point2 points 12 days ago
Because we
I wasn't trying to speak for everyone, you were.
I'll tell you why not...
Apparently, you were telling us this. Anyway, everything written here is given as opinion, and clearly nobody speaks for anyone else.
I'm sure there is a relevant joke about being voiceless to be found somewhere.
Anyway, I think your opinions are very barbaric and ruthless. It's a very dog-eat-dog mentality, and I am glad that I don't live in a civilisation that supports this.
[–]ChipChase 1 point2 points3 points 12 days ago
Stating a fact is not the same as daring to speak for an entire nation of people.
Putting feathers up your butt doesn't make you a chicken. Our civilisation is barbaric and ruthless.
[–]Ken_Doman 9 points10 points11 points 12 days ago
It was treaty, then stealing, then war, then some more stealing.
Read a book you ignorant fuck.
There was fighting prior to the signing of the treaty...
[–]Ken_Doman 0 points1 point2 points 12 days ago
Possibly, but I was talking more about the Maori wars (or NZ wars or the colonial wars or whatever we call them now), which started in 1845(?).
That was the first mobilization of British troops to protect and enable European land interests. Thus: treaty, stealing, war, more stealing.
treaty, stealing, war, more stealing and then some crying
FTFY
You're the one crying, friend
[–]ChipChase -2 points-1 points0 points 12 days ago
Well that's mature. I was implying that it's the Maaori who are crying.
They once were warriors and now they are over-weight chain smoking sickness beneficiaries with too many children. I guess that probably is something worth crying over.
[–]Ken_Doman 2 points3 points4 points 12 days ago
I'm going to go ahead and assume that your racism is due to ignorance from living in a tiny social bubble, and not because you're a bad person.
Whilst I cannot say our correspondence has been enjoyable, it certainly has been enlightening.
Good day sir.
Are you trying to imply that maaori aren't over represented in smoking and benefit statistics?
[–]joerankin 0 points1 point2 points 12 days ago
Good call from a good sir.
[–]Unicorn_On_Steroids 0 points1 point2 points 12 days ago
There was but not much. Fighting didn't start until the early 1860s, and you could almost say it was a draw. The British didn't conquer much at all. Maori made some cessions, but most of it was "borrowed" later on under the Native Lands Act for defense purposes and never given back.
Yes, I wasn't trying to write a detailed history of New Zealand however. Just trying to get a few people to bar up.
[–]Nomoresillynames -2 points-1 points0 points 12 days ago
The taking of land from the vanquished in a war is not stealing.
Read some European History for some perspective. Choose any period up to and including 1946.
[–]Ken_Doman 6 points7 points8 points 12 days ago
Except only parts of New Zealand were claimed by conquest. Most of it was sold (semi-legally) or just plain old appropriated for use.
And besides, don't we want to be a bit more civilized than 'we're bigger than you, so 'giz it cunt' - which is what you're talking about.
[–]Nomoresillynames 0 points1 point2 points 11 days ago
The Romans had running water, sewers and baths- the Gauls did not. Gaul land became Roman land. In History, conquest and civilisation go hand in hand.
A civilized Empire lands on a small group of islands and offers the Stone Age inhabitants the chance to share. That's civilised. Bringing in muskets so you could settle your utu with your neighbours was not. Deciding to fight against an Empire wasn't wise. Those Gauls who resisted the Romans got massacred by the millions- the Maori were not.
In the context of History, the Maori did very well compared to the Gauls, Saxons, Aztecs, Celts, Australian Aborigines who were firmly stomped on. But still we hear the "It's wasn't fair" argument from Maori.
My ancestors were invaded and colonised multiple times but they got on with it. That wasn't fair either. Like it or not, the bully always gets the lunch money.
Based on that principle, Maori trusts are doing really well out of this. Who's the bully now? Do two perceived wrongs make a right? Is it worth destroying an entire country just to hear words of apology from a few politicians?
All those millions of dollars and decades on, Maori still are struggling. Whose hogging that lunch money (and eating the lunches)?
For the record, my ancestors were in England and Wales in 1840. They were working class. They didn't come here until the 1960's. Why should multiple generations of people like me be ruined by something someone else did over a century ago?
Grievance breeds grievance.
[–]fauxmosexualgrumpy misanthrope 0 points1 point2 points 11 days ago
I really never get tired of hearing this old spiel. "Well at least we didn't genocide them! What are they complaining about?". Nevermind that Europeans signed a treaty because they knew they weren't able to win militarily, a factor noticibly absent from the other ancient history examples you've given.
Why should multiple generations of people like me be ruined by something someone else did over a century ago?
What ruination are you afflicted by? The less than 1% of your tax bill that goes towards settlements or Maori-specific welfare?
[–]Nomoresillynames 0 points1 point2 points 8 days ago
Ancient History or no, it's also the History of the Europeans in this country who are descended from those people. I get the sense that the History of colonisation endured by Non-Maori doesn't matter to Maori- because Maori believe that their experience was so much worse and completely unlike anything that has happened before... ever.
A lot of the early settlers were Scots fleeing in the wake of the Highland Clearances and one thing they did not want to replicate in their new home was what they had escaped. Rather than blaming the New Zealand Company (who were undoubtedly a bunch of crooks to Maori and Non-Maori alike), why do all Non Maori from a certain time-frame in our History get blamed?
The Treaty had nothing whatsoever to do with 'not being able to win militarily'. Goodness, you need to check your facts. The British had added India to the Empire in the previous century. That's India with its giant land mass, different terrains and millions of people.
The signing of the Treaty did have a lot to do with the French though. The British had no interest in 'claiming' New Zealand at all. Some British feared that the French would 'claim' these islands and settle here (French settlers were coming- but they probably had no intention of 'claiming' anything).
It also wasn't the only treaty signed in the Pacific but it was the only one that got even vaguely close to being honoured in any way. If the French had signed a treaty with Iwi, as they did with other Pacific cultures, Maori would genuinely have a reason to be upset. That scenario was averted by the fact that the French never followed up on their 'claim' of 11 July 1772.
You aren't looking at the full picture if you think it's only 1% of tax. What about the lost work productivity in workplace run tikanga, language classes? What about the hours of powhiri? What about the meetings, lunches, morning teas, court cases, consultative committees, mountains of paper? What about the duplicated systems in central government, local government? How about the specialist services in academic institutions? They cost money too.
For every credit, there is a debit. For every person who gets help or has their mana plumped out, someone is losing. That is the nature of decision making trees. If people cannot be considered equally, then someone will lose.
I have had to eat close to nothing because my ancestors were not Maori and despite having an almost empty pantry and no money, I did not qualify for a food grant. Government policy is blind to the hardships Non-Maori face because they've bought into the idea that 'only Maori face hardship'. Who perpetuates this idea of 'Maori hardship' when in fact it's people regardless of their ancestry who experience difficulty?
[–]fauxmosexualgrumpy misanthrope 0 points1 point2 points 8 days ago
why do all Non Maori from a certain time-frame in our History get blamed?
They don't. Treaty settlements aren't some gesture aimed at combatting some unspecific feeling of white guilt, they're for specific breaches by certain people. Each settlement includes a historical account of the transgression.
The Treaty had nothing whatsoever to do with 'not being able to win militarily'. Goodness, you need to check your facts. The British had added India to the Empire in the previous century.
I highlighted the important part. Britian had no interest in colonising NZ before the NZ Company and had no stomach for yet more costly wars at a time when the age of their empire was closing. Despite repeated begging from Pakeha colonists Britian could barely afford to send a handful of troops after hostilities had started, much less the kind of force to repeat a conquest like India, a conquest which paid for itself in silks, cotton and spices from the subcontinent. No such trade gain was possible here.
Britian was not in a position to militarily dominate New Zealand and regularly lost more professional, well-armed soldiers than did the part time Maori soldiers lost in conflicts.
It also wasn't the only treaty signed in the Pacific but it was the only one that got even vaguely close to being honoured in any way.
Again you're bringing up hypotheticals of French colonisation and other examples of wrongdoing as if it somehow justifies the harm done to Maori. As if by finding people who are worse than ourselves somehow absolves us of our own wrongdoings.
What about the lost work productivity in workplace run tikanga, language classes?
I consider myself enriched rather than hampered by things like these. I have a better understanding of the issues around the treaty and NZ history because of them. And most of the things you're counting still don't amount to very much at all, minor inconviniences at best.
For every credit, there is a debit.
Human society is anything but a zero sum game. By taking steps to combat social inequalities we make the country better for us all. More educated workers make for a healthier economy, more cultural understanding helps us deal with diversity better and helps our government govern according to all the population better, less poverty and stronger Maori culture makes for lower crime, better utilisation of healthcare and more equitable social outcomes. Taking money from the rich to give to the poor absolutely does increase overall wellbeing. A credit may have a debit of equal dollar value but that's not to say they're not of equal social value.
I have had to eat close to nothing because my ancestors were not Maori and despite having an almost empty pantry and no money, I did not qualify for a food grant.
What food grant was available for Maori that wasn't for you?
Government policy is blind to the hardships Non-Maori face because they've bought into the idea that 'only Maori face hardship'.
Patently untrue. There's very little government provision of social services that is specific to Maori, in fact I can't think of a single example.
[–]amygdala 0 points1 point2 points 8 days ago
Absolutely. Britain won based on logistics and numbers alone. Maori strategists adapted their fortifications to the point where they completely negated British firepower, and they regularly inflicted tactical defeats on British and colonial forces. The British were able to put more soldiers in the field and eventually resorted to using scorched earth tactics to destroy Maori food resources. Even then, parts of Taranaki, the King Country and the Ureweras retained de facto independence for decades after the wars.
[–]Nomoresillynames 0 points1 point2 points 7 days ago
"As if by finding people who are worse than ourselves somehow absolves us of our own wrongdoings."
Except, the people who did wrong things are all dead!
"Treaty settlements aren't some gesture aimed at combatting some unspecific feeling of white guilt..."
So the feelings of guilt many white New Zealanders have because they are constantly being reminded that white people did bad things in the 1800's does not exist?
Only twenty years ago, everyone was talking about a Bicultural country and only viewing it through that lens. The Samoans and Tongans, Indians, Chinese, Japanese, Malaysians (the list goes on) were here and no-one even considered them as part of 'the Treaty partnership'. I was saying-"But surely this a multicultural country now?" but the directive from the top was that only two cultures mattered.
Well... actually only one, because the 'shaming of European culture' has ben a sport for Maori and Non-Maori alike reduced to an embarrassing mixture of jandals, pavlova and Phar Lap. As much as Maori cringed at those awful dolls sold in tourist shops, Pakeha cringed at the Barry Crump/number 8 wire myth.
In fact it was suggested by some that NZ Europeans had no culture and because Maori had one, we should adopt it (and then we can stop being made to feel guilty). Because Maori is the only thing allowed to be cool right?
Those other cultural groups just got on with the job of being New Zealanders. While some NZ Europeans were looking at their navels and learning to say 'whanau' instead of 'family' and 'whakapapa' instead of 'geneaology' armed with a little Maori phrasebook, I didn't see the point.
In the same way that all people are different, all cultures are different. Maori culture is for Maori. I personally think it rude for Non-Maori to try and appropriate it. It's also rude for Maori to come into a Non-Maori place and expect me to throw my culture out the window and take a class naming my place of standing, my mountain, my river and accept that as more than half of the New Zealand population, I must stand at the back at powhiri. Oh, and if I have my period, I am extra dangerous because I can damage tapu. This is not enriching. It's propaganda.
Now... we gave women the vote in 1893. Women are allowed an education these days and I don't think that any 'cultural' justification for blatant sexism is acceptable. Yes, I worked in a place where you had to tell your boss if you had your period because it was a 'tapu situation'. I kid you not.
The sooner New Zealand can find its own culture that all ethnicities can feel part of, the better off we will be. The Bicultural/Partnership model has been found wanting, now we are trying the multicultural model- the same model which in Europe has been found to be a failure.
But meanwhile, money is being syphoned upwards- and people of all cultures are being impoverished. But only one ethnic group is viewed as 'being poor'. As usual, our Government will remain out of touch with reality and continue to ignore what is outside of Parliament.
I will quote the lovely lady at WINZ: "I need to ask, do you have any Maori ancestry? Because if you do, we have access to funds that you otherwise would not be entitled to."
I will also quote another lovely Lady at WINZ: "Too bad, you don't qualify. You can starve."
What is your stance on the Constitutional review?
[–]Ken_Doman 0 points1 point2 points 11 days ago
So your argument basically does come down to 'we won so suck it'?. It may be true, but it doesn't make it right. Which is what we're talking about here - making things right.
In the context of History, the Maori did very well compared to the Gauls, Saxons, Aztecs, Celts, Australian Aborigines who were firmly stomped on.
Well sure. But 'at least we didn't wipe you out' doesn't absolve you from admitting and rectifying past mistakes.
Based on that principle, Maori trusts are doing really well out of this.
You have a fundamental misunderstanding of the settlement process. "Maori" are not given payouts - Iwi are. And in the vast majority of cases those Iwi use the funds to increase the economic outlook of their people. See Ngai Tahu or Tainui for examples.
Is it worth destroying an entire country; people like me be ruined
Hyperbole is not your friend, friend.
They didn't come here until the 1960's
This isn't about you. This is about the government fixing past mistakes. As fauxmosexual says - it equates to less than 1% of what you pay in taxes (although I cannot vouch for its accuracy), so what difference does it make to you?
Imagine if The Iwi Trusts built houses with insulation for their people. Imagine if the Iwi trusts built off-the-grid power for their isolated communities. Imagine Iwi funded community gardens.
But no, what we have are Iwi fat cats attending meeting after meeting puffed up with their own self importance and having corporate lunches.
Imagine that our country was united and people were not judged by the colour of their skin. That when you went for a benefit, you got the same assistance as the person next to you. Imagine that I could get the food grant that the Maori standing next to me gets. The Maori eats real food, I eat crepes or noodles for a week.
I have actually been asked if I have Maori ancestry because it would give me extra access to financial help.
The Maori person gets access to two health services through the DHB. I get access to one but the staff are hardly falling over themselves to help because they are under pressure to prove they are improving Maori health and that is a priority.
Get the picture?
[–]Ken_Doman 0 points1 point2 points 8 days ago
you're still misunderstanding the settlement process. Imagine if the Auckland city council provided insulated housing or community gardening. You'll say they shouldn't have to because they are an elected group who need to serve a constituency without blowing the budget. It's the same with the iwi boards (as far is my understanding. I'll be happy to change my mind of you can show I'm constitutionally wrong).
Imagine if you weren't judged by the color of your skin. Imagine if you weren't hassled by cops because you were in a white part of town at night. Imagine if shop keepers didn't automatically assume you were going to steal something. Yeah, imagine that.
I find it interesting that people complain that Maori are unhealthy, and/or uneducated, but complain when there are targeted efforts to change that. You can't have it both ways my man.
FWIW I'm enjoying this conversation, it makes a nice change from the racist trolls that usually kick around here.
But I am judged by the colour of my skin and have been all my life. I also get followed by store detectives and have even been accused of shoplifting. No evidence was found that anything had been stolen. I cannot go out at night anywhere safely.
The Auckland City Council used to provide social housing- until they sold it all. Central government is busy divesting itself of social housing as well.
One of the main issues with Maori health used to be overcrowded and poorly insulated housing. That problem has now spread to the general population because of high rents, less housing stock and unscrupulous landlords. What was once a 'Maori Issue' is now an issue for everyone.
If an Iwi has land returned to it then land is not an issue. Green fields land cold be the centre of Iwi community gardens to distribute food to those in need. To raise skills, the same Iwi could give out annual training allowances in trades. When these people have done their time, they can repay their Iwi by building housing on Iwi land so that those unable to get social housing can have somewhere to live.
There are so many positive things that an Iwi could do. You cannot build change without spending money sadly, but a wise investment in it's people is exactly what many Iwi need to do. A great difference can be made to a life wih a small amount taken from the interest on a cash investment.
Maori have long had access to a kind of 'second tier' education at the moment which is sad. The good news (?) is that the majority of people now have 'second tier' education. It's not Maori who are unhealthy and uneducated- we all are victims of a 'dumbing down' process.
Knowledge is the best way to remove ignorance but the amount of misinformation out there on almost everything is pretty scary. There's not a sense of critical thinking instilled in the population at large- how else did Mr Key get elected?! LOL
Glad you are enjoying this conversation, me too.
[–]climbtree 0 points1 point2 points 12 days ago
it's because they'd be wiped out
What is this based on? Do you think the settlers could have won a war with the Maori? That their troops morale would last seeing wave after wave of their brothers hacked to pieces, hearts ripped from chests and eaten?
Or are you talking about a war now?
War now... Hard to run an army from the benefit.
[–]climbtree 0 points1 point2 points 11 days ago
Checked the price of P recently? Hope your house is fireproof, because as it turns out there's advantages to having less wealth when you're fighting.
Also, whose army are you fighting with?
[–]z4cz0r 17 points18 points19 points 12 days ago
I love it how any time anyone attempts to make fun of Maori, the cry of "racism! racism!" echoes throughout the subreddit.
You're allowed to make fun of people. We Kiwis are masters of laughing at ourselves. Remove whatever is lodged in your rectum and laugh!
[–]Eist -3 points-2 points-1 points 12 days ago
You're allowed to make fun of people... Remove whatever is lodged in your rectum and laugh!
This would be true if it was funny. It wasn't remotely close.
[–]Sarcastic_Spastic -8 points-7 points-6 points 12 days ago
Things That Are Funny, meet z4cz0r. z4cz04, meet Things That Are Funny. I don't believe you two have been formally introduced,
[–]z4cz0r 5 points6 points7 points 12 days ago
You don't find the mental image of a bunch of "dignified" Iwi leaders sitting in a room mindlessly shouting "MINE, MINE, MINE" funny? Ah well. Your loss.
[–]Sarcastic_Spastic 2 points3 points4 points 12 days ago
Except that's not what's happening. The Waitangi Tribunal is a Court, and iwi are trying to get compensation for their stuff getting stolen. It's called restorative justice.
Would you sit in a courtroom and laugh at the victim of a burglary? Would you go 'Ha ha, look at that greedy fucker, he's claiming money off the guys who robbed him?"
Why don't you just fuck off and read a book, you ignorant redneck fuckwit.
[–]z4cz0r -4 points-3 points-2 points 12 days ago
Oh whoop de fucking doo. You and your brand of sentimental, politically correct hand-wringing is what is driving this country apart. You won't be happy until we are a bunch of humorless drones. Go outside and laugh at something. You will feel better.
[–]hugies 2 points3 points4 points 12 days ago
I'm pretty sure if we didn't make derogatory remarks about shit, it would probably bring us together.
[–]z4cz0r -2 points-1 points0 points 11 days ago
Of course, we can't have anyone be offended! That might hurt their feelings!
If we could learn to take ourselves a little less seriously, we would come together.
[–]hugies 2 points3 points4 points 11 days ago
Or just not be cunts.
That would also help.
Although the same could be said for the entire human race.
[–]Marr0w1 1 point2 points3 points 12 days ago
hah. NZsucks would be a more appropriate subreddit for that sort of joke probably.
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[–]Unicorn_On_Steroids 0 points1 point2 points 12 days ago*
For a troll account you're doing it all wrong. You're meant to say stuff that the /r/NewZealand hivemind doesn't agree with.
Prepare to be upvoted you amateur troll.
But...
Hypocritical idiot.
[–]Unicorn_On_Steroids 3 points4 points5 points 12 days ago
Did I just make you delete your comment?
Here's a gif of your last attempt to get downvoted.
Just so you learn for next time.
[–]Sarcastic_Spastic -1 points0 points1 point 12 days ago
I think you're over-estimating how annoying you are.
So, basically, this is you.
[–]nzmikey -1 points0 points1 point 11 days ago
I wish I could have gotten away with posting this ... alas if I did i would have been abused :(
[–]Sarcastic_Spastic -8 points-7 points-6 points 12 days ago*
Fuck this shit. Hey OP, why don't you go back to the Herald's comments section where you belong, you cowardly, snively, racist piece of dung.
And all you cunts upvoting this post can go and die in an internment camp. It'd make the world a better place.
[–]BanGy 12 points13 points14 points 12 days ago
Not how I'd phrase it but yeah, what they said.
[–]WeaponsGradeHumanity 3 points4 points5 points 12 days ago
Wow, some people just won't be happy until they can charge you for breathing.
[–]Sarcastic_Spastic 9 points10 points11 points 12 days ago
1/2 price if it's through the mouth, though, so you'll be alright.
[–]12usskian[S] 4 points5 points6 points 12 days ago*
Was just making a joke, didn't realize it would be taken so seriously. Sorry for offending anyone
[–]Sarcastic_Spastic -6 points-5 points-4 points 12 days ago
Okay, kudos for being man enough to reply and apologise, but I'm fucked how you thought anyone would assume you were making a joke.
Better luck next time.
[–]12usskian[S] 4 points5 points6 points 12 days ago
yeah I should have made the joke a little more clear
[–]Sarcastic_Spastic 6 points7 points8 points 12 days ago
Dude, seriously, "Aren't those Maoris greedy?" is not a joke. It has no potential to be a joke. It is not funny. It is so painfully boorish and obvious that even if you said it to Kyle Chapman he would probably punch you in the face for being an unfunny fucker.
Please stop.
[–]wanker_bob 0 points1 point2 points 12 days ago
Don't be so grumpy, life's too short for that. http://www.youtube.com/watch?gl=US&v=1VuMdLm0ccU
[–]king_pickle -1 points0 points1 point 12 days ago
This post made me log in and upvote the OP :D
wanders off to find an internment camp with a vacancy
[–]ColloidMan5000 -1 points0 points1 point 12 days ago
Kudos to you, OP. I thought this 'joke' was hilarious.
[–]mrjaksauce -1 points0 points1 point 12 days ago
In This Thread: Hypocrisy, Hypocrisy everywhere.
[–]WeaponsGradeHumanity -8 points-7 points-6 points 12 days ago
Wasn't there a war over this stuff? Shouldn't that have settled it?
[–]Eist 3 points4 points5 points 12 days ago
Wasn't there a war over this stuff?
Yes. Several.
Shouldn't that have settled it?
No, because military power is a really uncivilised and often horrific way to close disputes. Furthermore, matters are rarely settled in this manner; the Spanish invasions in Peru and surrounding countries is the best testament to this I can think of off the top of my head.
We are civilised people, not barbarians picking meat off moa bones, and we have an obligation to reverse the errors of our past.
[–]WeaponsGradeHumanity -1 points0 points1 point 12 days ago
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[–]Sharkbait101 -3 points-2 points-1 points 12 days ago
This is very true all they do is say MINE,MINE,MINE
all it takes is a username and password
create account
is it really that easy? only one way to find out...
already have an account and just want to login?
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