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[–]RouseHouse1013 54 points55 points ago

[–]CoolStoryBro25 41 points42 points ago

OP's is the best imo, but I also love this one

[–]ThomasElGring0 2 points3 points ago

God this is gold!

[–]Atlas138 1 point2 points ago

[–]goobyplx 9 points10 points ago

This is how someone becomes a genius by going full retard beyond the call of duty.

[–]Morphdog9819 2 points3 points ago

This was perfectly in sync with the techno-dance song I was listening to. Thank you for making my day.

[–]MurderSheScrote 1 point2 points ago

s'what i do

[–]ThomasElGring0 1 point2 points ago

[–]ThePr0 1 point2 points ago

Source?

[–]Baburin[S] 0 points1 point ago

the white guy is so shit at the dance hahaha

[–]i_havent_read_it 13 points14 points ago

[–]ContentEnt 18 points19 points ago

Let the circlejerk begin.

[–]NiteShadeX2 1 point2 points ago

DAE Carl Sagan?

[–]hansjens47 7 points8 points ago

"inspirational speeches" in Hollywood movies are the worst.

[–]enderpanda 6 points7 points ago

[–]strayclown 5 points6 points ago

[–]enderpanda 2 points3 points ago

You're right. It just doesn't matter anymore.

[–]strayclown 2 points3 points ago

You're right, just please don't hit me!

[–]enderpanda 2 points3 points ago

I'm trying not to, but that pale blue dot on your shirt is pissing me off!

[–]strayclown 3 points4 points ago

You're some sort of inspirational speech retaining robot aren't you?

[–]enderpanda 3 points4 points ago

The net is vast and infinite... However, I have only 40 great speeches programmed into my memory.

[–]strayclown 3 points4 points ago

Now that's just cheating.

[–]enderpanda 3 points4 points ago

Ya I guess I oversold it a bit, let's get back to basics.

[–]drawdelove 0 points1 point ago

I did that speech in my speech class. Got an A.

[–]enderpanda -1 points0 points ago

Props. That must not have been easy to pull off. How was the class reaction?

[–]drawdelove 0 points1 point ago

Thanks. Everyone clapped, a couple of people said wow, including the teacher. It was my best speech.

[–]enderpanda 0 points1 point ago

It was my best speech.

With a strong choice like that in school, I'm sure you have better speeches in your future.

[–]hansjens47 -1 points0 points ago

A speech class that isn't self-written material sounds like a creative writing class where you don't actually write anything.

[–]enderpanda 0 points1 point ago

It's a speech class, not a writing class. Emulation is great way to learn, especially with skills involving acting and presentation. That's like saying, "Take this cinema class... but don't watch any movies."

As original and individual as humans like to think we are, we're social animals, building on the knowledge of our ancestors.

[–]hansjens47 1 point2 points ago

performing music is (almost) always performing someone else's material. acting is (almost) always performing someone else's material. Public speaking is always presenting your own original material, or ideas you stand behind. speaking someone else's speech is therefore not good practice for what public speaking is actually going to be about in your real life. It does not compare to performing music as practice towards being a musician, or acting as practice towards further acting.

[–]enderpanda 0 points1 point ago

I can see what you're saying, and you make good points, but I don't think that expecting a student to write their own speeches is a good way to teach basic oratory. Advanced class, sure. Real life, of course. And I'm sure the professor would absolutely allow the students to write their own speeches, if they want.

But for a basic speech college class, I think emulation is best method.

[–]drawdelove 1 point2 points ago

We had to do different types of speeches. The rest of them I wrote myself. Obviously I did better on pre-written speeches I could study & copy, but I got an A in the class.

[–]hansjens47 0 points1 point ago

right. that makes sense then.

[–]hansjens47 0 points1 point ago

this is indeed exactly what I was talking about. the dramaturgy of these kinds of speeches ruin movies single-handedly. just like all the similar speeches that "turn the tide" in oh so many genres of movies.

[–]enderpanda 0 points1 point ago

Alright, show us what you consider a good speech, without the Hollywood.

Winston Churchill, perhaps?

[–]hansjens47 0 points1 point ago

I'm saying that the genre of "inspirational speech" does not work in a movie. speeches work in the medium of talking to a group of people about something. you can have the greatest speech in the world, but you ruin a movie by placing a speech in one.

[–]enderpanda 0 points1 point ago

Fair enough, but how is a movie different from talking to a group of people? It's just a larger group of people.

In the end, it's all story-telling, right? An expression of events meant to educate or entertain. Think about old, Shakespearean and Greek plays - weren't those more or less just a series of speeches?

Isn't that what they used to call "acting"? Now I suppose it's not a good movie unless there's gunfights every other scene... /sigh

Ever seen Glengarry Glen Ross? The entire movie is amazing speeches.

[–]hansjens47 0 points1 point ago

a movie is different from talking to a group of people because it's a completely different genre. A movie is a story while a speech is oratory.

a movie IS all storytelling, and for a movie (or novel) to hinge on a single speech is bad story telling. people aren't fickle enough to immediately change their ways immediately after hearing someone speak, without time for reflection and reaction. therefore, it's not something readers generally accept in a work.
what if Dumbledoor talked sense into voldemort in a speech and they all lived happily ever after? you'd be dissatisfied right? because it's completely ludicrous to have people change their minds like that.

there's a huge difference between a shakespearian play and a modern movie. first of all, a play is dialogic, not oratory. the interaction between characters is what drives action, along with internal reflection during monologues (this is what's missing in movies after speeches, instead of the traditional cheering scene, but that wouldn't work either). in an old play, your suspension of disbelief depends on visually imaging what's there, women being played by men, a minimal amount of props and costumes, such that a character generally says something to the effect of "who sneaks there?" upon which the ghost says "i am the ghost of blablabla" because that's how the audience would find out. A modern movie does not have any of those limitations, but can emulate reality very closely in terms of the environment.

in real life, do you see yourself switching from being a firm democrat to becoming a republican instantaneously after hearing Romney speak a single speech? it's absurd right? that's not how a speech works. so why in the world should it work that way in a movie? a "speech scene" is just a very easy way of spotting a dramaturgic point where there HAS to be a turning point, but there is no real mechanism of character development to facilitate that change in future action. the movie is bad because the director hasn't figured out how it all connects together, so they've used the cheap "speech and unrealistic effect" to salvage the wreckage.

Now what if you had the sports coach lay out a strategy that would let his underdog team beat their opponents after being miles behind? you'd break down into sports technicalities and would lose the audience. if you don't lose the audience, the story still turns out to be a story that's not worth telling, because the reaction of a speech that suggests moral superiority of the underdog team gives the audience the personal investment to make them FEEL the team deserves winning is missing.

the "speech scene" shows the movie is lacking dramaturgically and is incohesive. you keep linking speeches with unbelievable characters that change the cornerstones of their lives after a few minutes and never look back, even though their personalities are cautious, they are principled or behaviorally conservative. that is not how personal change takes place.

[–]enderpanda 1 point2 points ago

Again you make very good points. I concede, speeches suck.

However, it's interesting that you brought up politics, as I have a few conservative cousins who are now on the fence after the conventions. Perhaps it's all rhetoric, but they moved them. Maybe it's a result of actually hearing the people speak. And of course there's the power of Hilter's speeches... and aforementioned Winston Churchill's... they can be used for good and bad, but they are often powerful and sometimes necessary.

Also, you mentioned sports. I think that there really are locker room speeches that uplift the team and change the game. Such a large part of sports is staying motivated. Here's Jimmy Valvano giving a speech - largely talking about his inspiration from other speeches - moving grown men to tears, just with his words.

You're right that speeches can ruin a movie (Independence Day), but they can also make a movie memorable (again, Independence Day).

You have definitely given me something to think about, and for that I thank you. I agree that speeches are often shallow, and an easy, often-abused tool for lazy scriptwriters. But, I still feel that they can be a very powerful, in scripts and real life.

People of course should look at the real facts and figures behind the words, but sometimes that conveyance of emotion is what gets them looking in the first place.

P.S. You seem to be getting downvoted a bit, I assure you that isn't me

[–]hansjens47 1 point2 points ago

rhetoric certainly works. it's as you outline though, a means of starting self-reflection or providing new thoughts for consideration.

speeches frame the public narrative, and consequently our personal references to the different schools of thought that exist in a society; our options so to speak. I completely agree that you can thump someone over the head with as many facts as you like, if they're not touched emotionally there's no way they'll reconsider their preconceived notions.

Karma's just a number. it's a lot easier to just mass downvote someone and move on if you disagree with them, rather than to evaluate their arguments against your own, especially if you have the nagging suspicion you may be wrong. we all tend towards the path of least resistance.

[–]jugs25 7 points8 points ago

my favourite reaction gif

[–]Moment_of_Truth -1 points0 points ago

Funny how this has been used by theists throughout history to conserve something.

[–]aviella 0 points1 point ago

Does anyone have this sans didn't read lol?

[–]Scarjaka 0 points1 point ago

Pretty much how I feel whenever anyone mentions anything about religion.

[–]SuperHorribleGaming 0 points1 point ago

I'm an atheist, and I like /r/ atheism. but honestly, the only posts I look at on there are ones that look like 10 - 15 second reading period :L

[–]acam11391 0 points1 point ago

Black guy with fried chicken? I like it.

[–]YouPickMyName 16 points17 points ago

Not as much as he does.

[–]enderpanda -1 points0 points ago

Stay classy.

[–]YouPickMyName 1 point2 points ago

I'm brown... I'm going to take that as my racist pass.

[–]enderpanda 1 point2 points ago

Fair enough.

I'm white, but I tan pretty well... Sometimes I get called racist terms regarding latinos.

I'd love to buy one of those passes myself, if possible.

[–]YouPickMyName 2 points3 points ago

Take one on the house, valid until someone asks who you're talking about when you say "It's cool, I know a colored guy"

[–]enderpanda 2 points3 points ago

Thanks!

/me mingling at a party, when someone suddenly asks me 'what the hell I'm doing here'...

"YouPickMyName's my black friend!"

/everyone nods wisely, it's cool now

[–]Stthads -2 points-1 points ago

TIL the folks at r/reactiongifs are nuts