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[–]FigaroNeptune 59 points60 points ago

Dishwasher

1-2 years restaurant experience

[–]Nerosquito 31 points32 points ago

Sold things for in-world currency in Second Life that I made in Blender 3D, Maya and Photoshop for 3 years because I couldn't get a job and couldn't afford school or get any loans and was a drop-out.

3-4 years 3D Content Creation Experience 6 years Texture Design Experience

Got a jerb.

[–]CreeepKidd 3 points4 points ago

I would hire you if I wasn't 20 years old and jobless.

[–]roni_size_ 119 points120 points ago

I put academic projects in my resume as a graduate and the employers were quite pleased.

[–]sports2012 44 points45 points ago

This is great advice. I had no job offers until I started doing this.

[–]blackjackjester 17 points18 points ago

If you're in software, open source projects are the absolute best thing to do.

[–]ElectroTurk 2 points3 points ago

I've done that too! Especially if the project was long and complicated, you can list various equipment and tech you've gained experience working with, as well as mention the skills and lessons you've learned along the way. My project was to build and modify a 3D printer by adding a laser etching system onto it. I was able to add some pretty impressive things to my resume.

[–]chrono1465 1109 points1110 points ago

"Entry level position available"

"One to three years experience required"

[–]dirtyjoo 356 points357 points ago

If there's one piece of advice that I can impart on those currently in college, it would be to find a way to get into a couple internships

[–]stock_character 26 points27 points ago

Especially because it's a lot harder to get certain internships after you graduate

[–][deleted] 20 points21 points ago

Yeah for some reason you become a pariah after you are graduate, feels bad man.

[–]Gehci 1 point2 points ago

Couldn't have worded it better!

[–]MissEscapeArtist 126 points127 points ago

A lot of these same sorts of opportunities, at least that I've run into, specifically say that they won't accept internships or unpaid experience to fulfill this requirement.

[–]ekspa 127 points128 points ago

I have 1.5 years experience (6m internship, 1y as an engineer) and I still can't get entry-level positions in my field.

[–]scornful 98 points99 points ago

It's all about who you know. Try reaching out to your old classmates and see if you can get a referral. Ask your parents if they know anyone in engineering, and ask your parent's friends or your friend's parents. Go to professional society meetings, and try to network. Trust me, don't look on the internet for jobs... it's a complete waste of time.

Edit: At large firms, people will be happy to refer you because they get a referral bonus from it.

[–]lollermittens 60 points61 points ago

Sadly, right now, it is all about who you know. No matter how brilliant you are (or unless you're one of those outliers who graduates top 1% from an Ivy League), the job market right now is not skewed in favor of recent college graduates.

Ultimately, since companies are in full profit-maximizing form in the aims of stocking up on those cash reserves, they don't want to spend the money to train recent college graduates. As it stands, if you're currently employed, you are in a better position to find a job compared to someone who is currently unemployed.

The madness has to stop somewhere.

[–]know_comment 25 points26 points ago

If you're in a good college program and you're motivated and have internships throughout school, you probably have a job lined up for after you graduate by October or November of your senior year (assuming you're looking at big companies).

If not, maybe you have to start with a crappy, low pay position and move yourself up- or, if you can afford to, there is volunteering/internships. There are ALWAYS crappy, low pay positions.

  • Resume: Make sure your resume highlights the positions and skills you have that APPLY to the job you are submitting it to. If you are including a coverletter, it needs to be specific to the hiring manager you are dealing with.

  • Finding a job: Don't just look for jobs in classified ads. Understand what type of job you want and then reach out to companies you'd like to work at. Call the receptionist and ask who is in charge of hiring for the position you want. Get them on the phone. If you get voicemail, leave a brief voicemail. Get their email and send a brief email. Follow up 1x per week.

  • Interviewing: Call 24 hours in advance to confirm. Be on time. Dress up. Bring your resume. Start with building rapport with the interviewer- talk about weather, or sports or the location of the office or compliment their dress... Ask questions about the job that make you look like you have an understanding of it: Not "how many hours a week is the job" or "are there good benefits"... Questions like, "are you using Access or SQL for your database", or "In my last position, I had the leeway to restructure IT processes where I saw we could be doing things more efficiently, for example... - Are the processes that you have fairly engrained, or do you think I'll have a similar opportunity here to build out processes based on the best practices I've learned through my experience". BE specific in your questions and answers to what you know about this company. BE interested in the company.

  • Following up: Email a follow up to the appropriate people within 48 hours of your interview. You enjoyed meeting them and here are some reasons why you'd like to join their team... Unless they specifically tell you not to follow up- call them (1x per week is not annoying) to see where they are in the decision making process.

  • Cast a large net: Even if you nail an interview, you might not get the job. It may not be your fault- who knows, maybe they have to hire the boss' nephew. Get 5 to 10 companies you are looking at- you'll be much more confident once you start getting multiple offers, and then you can pick and choose.

If you want a job, finding a job IS your job. You spend 40 hours a week connecting with potential employers and working on your resume, and you will have a job within the month (assuming you aren't a felon or very socially awkward)...

edit: also, before interviewing- always do your due diligence on the company. most companies you'll want to work for have websites. Read their case studies. Enderstand what products and services the company is offering and who their client base is. What ever questions you have about what they do and how they do it, the interview is the perfect time to ask! If you want clarification, explaining what you know about the company is a great way to show that you've done your research.

[–]Funktapus 36 points37 points ago

top 1% from an Ivy League

Are you fucking kidding me? You are seriously deluding yourself if you think that is the order of privilege it takes to get a job out of college. There is so much you anyone could have done as an undergrad to prepare for the job market...

[–]b0w3n 49 points50 points ago

It's all about who you know, not what you know. It has always been this way.

Rich people know a lot of people in high places. Your boss' son just wants to get his hand wet in this programming thing, show him the ropes.

In my short professional career I've dealt with this scenario 10 times. They always manage to move up the ladder pretty fast too.

[–]Funktapus 18 points19 points ago

You don't need to be the boss's son to 'know people.' Networking is an essential part of being a professional. You can network by getting to know your professors (who can recommend you for jobs) or by doing internships and making a good impression.

[–]pikeybastard 13 points14 points ago

As a guy who just came out of Oxbridge, I worked hard at networking. It's amazing how quickly many of these people in just 3 months have disappeared out of my life. Meanwhile, to give you an example, 2 friends of mine have landed jobs with national publications, and one a job earning over £50k in banking, because their dads were besties with the right people. They have no work experience, never did an internship or anything. I want to be happy for them, and it makes me feel like an arse that I'm not.

Also Internships cost money, and not everybody has it to spare unfortunately. They've become a pretty good way of closing down opportunities to people from certain socioeconomic backgrounds, even if they weren't meant as such.

Edit: phone confused plurals and apostrophe doodads

[–]badbadlobster 12 points13 points ago

So what did you do as an undergrad to prepare for this particular job market?

[–]Foffivegotworktodo 21 points22 points ago

I graduated in 2010.

I worked 30 hours a week for the two years prior to graduation in progressively less-shitty jobs to gain experience. I was also a lab instructor and/or TA for any undergrad class i excelled in. I had plenty of job offers when i graduated - its not fucking rocket science.

[–]TadpolesIsAWinner 27 points28 points ago

Well, dick, I guess we can just assume that your undergrad class that you TA'd for had 30 TA's?

(Meaning WTF did everyone else in your major do? Were they ALL TA's too? Were there just as many TA's as students? Was there a huge market for 30hr/wk jobs for undergrads?)

[–]bcisme 5 points6 points ago

As someone who knows quite a few Aerospace Engineering grads (and am one myself), it certainly helps if it is rocket science.

But seriously, all my friends who got jobs had internships or worked in labs for their professors.

[–]rothan 4 points5 points ago

3-5 is more like what they consider it/when you leave that category.

[–]JamiHatz 28 points29 points ago

But if you've taken an internship with a company and they like you, you stand a good chance of getting a job there when you leave college. Talent cultivation is a beautiful thing.

[–]Jeoffry_Baratheon 57 points58 points ago

A lot of the companies offering internships don't actually have openings for moving up even if they like their interns. As an intern you're forced to wait around the company and hope their business picks up so they can hopefully open a new position or someone quits / is fired, but it will drive you insane waiting around at a job working for free, watching month after month go by while your friends progress their careers as you go to work day in and day out just hoping that one of the older people will leave somehow and give you a chance to advance. All the while you are just giving away your labor and the more time you spend there the more your time, self esteem and youthful energy are widdled away.

[–]Random-Miser 21 points22 points ago

not if they have to pay you for the pleasure. Free interns are way better than expensive competent employees.

[–]Gorillaz_Noodle 16 points17 points ago

Interns: the desperate slaves of America.

Huh, good thing my internship pays me.

[–]Kalium 7 points8 points ago

It seems to depend a lot on the field. In engineering fields, paid is the norm. In finance and journalism, unpaid is apparently the norm.

[–]Saint-Peer 9 points10 points ago

Also, if you take an internship at the company you want to work for, it'll be a lot easier for you to get a full-time job with them after graduation.

[–]dirtyjoo 10 points11 points ago

I'm sure that depends on the industry, I'm in IT and took on an internship before I graduated, and one right after (during the summer), that led to full-time employment using those opportunities as previous experience.

[–]realnickivey 16 points17 points ago

I did a 3 year internship with the Board of Ed (paid, part time), and didn't get hired because of budget cuts when it ended. After that I did 3 different jobs, all temp work, for a year and then finally landed a good job, with the help of a recommendation that came from doing that 3 year internship. It was temp to perm and I recently got hired on perm. I thought that internship was the worst thing I could've done, but ended up being the best. EDIT; Grammar

[–]RyanRaygun 6 points7 points ago

I agree. It all depends on the industry in question, too. I did 2 internships and got a job at one of them a year after graduation. But thanks to that job I got work elsewhere and it just snowballed.

[–]beesk 3 points4 points ago

Student Organizations.

[–]SallyStruthersThong 3 points4 points ago

^ And get a leadership position in a club. Grades alone don't cut it anymore.

[–]VesuvanDoppelganger 4 points5 points ago

I had 2 summer internships in the bag when I graduated from college, however, 3 months x 2=6 months, which is still less than a year.

I had to just apply for thousands of jobs until I got lucky. Also could have VanDelay'd it up.

[–]Steam_Powered_Rocket 27 points28 points ago

I had a conversation with a recruiter a couple days ago where he essentially spent 10 minutes apologizing that he couldn't/wouldn't get me into any positions in my experience bracket because people with more experience were applying for the same.

[–]Sharobob 57 points58 points ago

Applied for extremely entry-level job with no experience requirements.

Got phone interview, nailed that shit.

Got in-person interview, nailed that shit. Sent thank-you emails like a boss.

Got interest for me to apply for the position at that point. Inches from employment with the company.

Don't hear back for two weeks, ask them what's up.

"Sorry we interviewed someone with more experience, we're going with them."

[–]Pit_of_Death 42 points43 points ago

If I had a dollar for every time that has happened to me, I'd have at least 10 bucks or so.

[–]noddwyd 26 points27 points ago

I'd have 23.

[–]Genghis_John 2 points3 points ago

This happened a lot when I was applying for positions a couple years ago. They would even take down entry level postings and repost them a few days later, now with more experience required. All of a sudden, I didn't qualify anymore.

[–]Pit_of_Death 14 points15 points ago

I've had several conversations with hiring managers and recruiters that basically left me with the following impression. These people simply do not have time to review and consider every single person's qualifications and merit...the initial screening process results in every single person who does not meet the stated requirements and qualifications being dismissed.

I read somewhere (and could find the source if someone requests it I think) that typically recruiters spend on average 15 to 30 seconds looking at a resume. It is only until later stages that an applicant's merits are considered on a more subjective basis. It is not personal, it's purely a time consideration. We do not have the luxury of trying to persuade a recruiter or hiring manager that we really can do the job and learn it by applying ourselves. We are simply names on a piece of paper or a computer screen until the pool has been narrowed way down. I'm sorry that all of those people who are currently employed and say "oh just apply" don't see it this way, but it's just a reality that 99% of people face these days in the search for employment. We have to focus our energy where we meet all the necessary criteria or create our own jobs through making personal connections in networking.

[–]foginator 9 points10 points ago

I trend now with online applications is for the computer systems to scan the applications and resumes for specific words. If the words are not present then the applicant is dismissed. This means our names do not even get set in front of a living breathing human being to have that 15 to 30 seconds, unfortunately.

[–]Second_Foundationeer 2 points3 points ago

Which is probably why networking is so much more important than anything else.. I mean, schoolwork is important because you probably still have to compare in those cases, but you need the additional face to help you out..

[–]alexgmcm 48 points49 points ago

Web Developer: 10 years experience with Ruby On Rails.

[–]PortAltepa 46 points47 points ago

In 2010, I once saw a job ad asking for someone with 5 years of experience with iOS and a proven track record of shepharding apps through the App Store.

[–]Theartiswrong 54 points55 points ago

These comments are funny because the company wants someone who has more experience with the software than the amount of time that software has existed.

iOS was released in 2007, and Ruby on Rails was released in 2005, although experience with the Ruby programming language might count in that case.

[–]blackjackjester 3 points4 points ago

Yea, but Objective-C has been around since the 80's. They are looking for someone who is well versed in iOS, has extended knowledge of Obj-C, and who has published apps.

For most positions like this, it just means "we expect that when you start working you can contribute immediately". Postings are for "the perfect fit", so if you meet at least half the requirements, you're usually more qualified than half the applicants.

[–]wolvesscareme 24 points25 points ago

thanks for explaining their jokes

[–]Regulith 11 points12 points ago

As someone who:

A) assumes you're being sarcastic and

B) had no idea how long iOS had been out or what Ruby on Rails even was

prior to Theartiswrong's comment, I really am thankful

[–]Tarblz 9 points10 points ago

I saw one posting on Monster for a web developer with 3 years of experience using FrontPage.

[–]Trollatio_Caine 2 points3 points ago

As a web-developer, wtf?

[–]Tarblz 1 point2 points ago

It was for AAA or something, I wouldn't be surprised if someone set it up in FrontPage 10 years ago and they've just been doing patchwork to keep it up to date.

It wouldn't be the first time I've gone into a company to find out that their website/backbone is decades old and only running thanks to some programming duck tape.

[–]Tarblz 98 points99 points ago

"Internship position, part time 15 hours/week"

"PHD in Computer Science and Rocket Surgery required"

[–]Nystagmi 53 points54 points ago

You forgot the "must speak english, french, german, russian, hindi and klingon fluently"

[–]Fazaman 9 points10 points ago

That's just stupid. No one speaks German except the Germans. At least the rest are useful.

[–]cluelessperson 8 points9 points ago

Brite hier. Fick dich, mein Deutsch wird mir ganz sicher einen Job garantieren!

[–]masuabie 2 points3 points ago

Now Skeeter, he ain't hurting no body.

[–]geomn13 172 points173 points ago

This. I can't emphasize how much this depresses me.

[–]Aggnavarius 114 points115 points ago

Apply anyway. Some "requirements" are softer than others.

[–]beager 132 points133 points ago

Never rule yourself out of an employment opportunity. That's the recruiter's job.

[edit: accidentally a n]

[–]yosemighty_sam 35 points36 points ago

Sure, but that doesn't mean apply everywhere. Many online applications take 30 minutes to an hour to complete. If you only have time to complete a dozen in a day you have to choose your battles.

[–]worrst 12 points13 points ago

It's just to filter out people anyways. Not filtering out your non-experience but the people who don't apply because of that.

[–]Tactful 35 points36 points ago

This this this this this this this this. This.

What's the point in spending up to an hour of my time filling out an application, and drafting a solid cover letter, if it's immediately going to be chucked into the junk pile because there are other candidates who qualify for all the requirements?

Yeah, you might get lucky. Your number might also come up on the roulette wheel, but that doesn't mean you should keep playing roulette under the pretence that you'll win more than you lose.

It's not just time either, it's energy and effort. I put a tiny piece of myself into every cover letter I write, in the hope that who I am shines through. I'd rather not do that for a job that I was never going to get an interview for anyway. In the UK, there are on average 20 people applying for every position, and 40 for every retail position. The chances that at least one other person has the relevant experience are so high, I might as well not bother and focus on the jobs that I actually have a slim chance of getting.

Also, a side-note: It makes me fucking sick when 30+ year old adults tell me how easy it is to get a job. "When I was younger I worked 2 jobs innit, to support what my uni scholarship didn't cover." Wow Uncle, it's almost as if the global economy has changed in the past 26 years. Why don't you go take your shitty homemade christmas crackers and shove them up your OUTSTANDING RESUME.

[–]Kowzorz 11 points12 points ago

but that doesn't mean you should keep playing roulette under the pretence that you'll win more than you lose

You only need to win once.

[–]Tactful 4 points5 points ago

Nope, you need to win once, and then win once again when you get there, and then potentially win a third time if there's a second stage, then keep on winning for the 6 month probation period.

[–]yosemighty_sam 4 points5 points ago

Once you get to the probation period it should just come down to hard work. Put in the effort and you've won. But I agree, "You only need to win once" is pretty naive. Just about anything above minimum wage is going to require at least a second interview.

[–]beager 2 points3 points ago

That's true, but always apply for the ones you'd really want.

[–]babyshanks 2 points3 points ago

LinkedIn.

[–]thewhoiam 2 points3 points ago

This applies to dating as well.

[–]beager 5 points6 points ago

It applies pretty much anywhere.

"You miss 100% of the shots you don't take. - Wayne Gretzky" - Michael Scott

[–]soulbandaid 45 points46 points ago

Seriously. I'm so sick of seeing this, unless it's a government job everything is negotiable. Most employers are willing to treat college as experience. It's really about how you sell yourself. In this market there are far too many completely unqualified people and employers will put all sorts of 'requirements' hoping to lower the number of applications they have to dig through.

Sell yourself. It doesn't need to be completely 100% honest, the other applicants are embellishing ;) Straight out lies will probably get you in trouble, but that into to geology course you took can be sold as qualifications for anything that might have to do with rocks (if you can sell it).

Tl;Dr: don't take job listings literally, use hyperbole and sell yourself. Getting turned down for jobs is heart-breaking, but it's something we all have to face.

[–]beesk 9 points10 points ago

This. I work for a company that helps organizations with their openings. Most of the times unqualified people apply to positions to collect their government check stating that they are actively looking for employment. To cut down employers set higher requirements.

[–]Sal4m4nd3r 1 point2 points ago

THIS. SO MANY TIMES THIS.

[–]franklin_stubbs 8 points9 points ago

For sure! That shit was on a posting I saw, but applied anyways and got it, now I have a pretty good job! (Which I should get back to...)

[–]deeperwonder 7 points8 points ago

I got my job purely on the basis of the volunteer work I did while in school. I did research for a bunch of NGOs, volunteered in a research lab and did freelance analysis for anyone who needed it. My degree didn't get me squat as of yet, but the work I did along the way secured me a nice position.

[–]Fig1024 1 point2 points ago

most people get hired based on personal connections, somebody hooking you up.

[–]Easih 18 points19 points ago

student recruitment years XXXX

2 years of experience required

[–]lotusamurai 45 points46 points ago

If you apply anyway what's the worst that could happen? They say no? Oh shit well time to kill yourself right? Wrong. Nut up and just apply to the damn thing and maybe you'll get an interview. They often just put that there to scare away people who aren't "Go-getter's" or whatever you want to call them.

[–]Lemondoodle 57 points58 points ago

Yes, here is how a job hunt looks: No, No, NO, NO, No, No, No, No, NO, NO, No, No, Maybe, No, No, NO, NO, No, No, No, No, NO, NO, No, No, Maybe, No, No, NO, NO, No, No, No, No, NO, NO, No, No, No, No, NO, NO, No, No, No, No, NO, NO, No, No, No, No, NO, NO, No, No, Yes.

[–]Inflectionpoint 52 points53 points ago

wait it ends?

[–]noddwyd 15 points16 points ago

not in my experience, no. Lemondoodle seems to be an exception.

[–]PickCells 12 points13 points ago

Lemondoodle has had it good if he's only at that amount of 'No's' before a 'Yes'

[–]gaussian45 14 points15 points ago

You got "no" back? Wow, lucky. All I ever fucking get is complete and utter silence. It would take all of five minutes to set up a form email saying that I'm not getting the job, but apparently common bloody courtesy isn't worth it.

[–]oxygen_narcosis 5 points6 points ago

you forgot all the emtpy spaces where they avoid you and you have to spend days trying to get them to tell you the NO

[–]powerkick 3 points4 points ago

...FIRED

[–]TPUBGU 2 points3 points ago

That's how dating works for me...

[–]exactlycake 34 points35 points ago

The third bullet point says, "Don't apply without this experience."

[–]ShadowX22 42 points43 points ago

Fuck it. Do it anyways. Worst they do is don't hire you. Who cares? Just keep sending your resume out there.

[–]exactlycake 11 points12 points ago

I've already volunteered and I've had multiple jobs, so I'm set...as long as I want a job in retail and food. Which, I don't. I'm done.

I almost got a job for $3-$4 more per hour then what I've been paid for the past two-three years and I got SO excited, but because I had classes for two days out of the week, I was rejected.

Back to the grid until the spring, that's when I start university as a junior and I can apply for a co-op or an internship. I hope I can find something.

[–]Medd_Ler 15 points16 points ago

So... you're a junior... and you're whining that you can't get a better job... and you're still in school. This company needs flexibility and/or more hours than you can give.

you're still in school

still in school

in school

school

Relax, you have a lot better odds having job experience at all even if its in retail/food. Also the fact that you have been working looks much better. Don't expect a party it's cancelled due to you're not done yet.

[–]exactlycake 15 points16 points ago

Unlike other people, I didn't take out any student loans for housing, food and healthcare. I would still like to be able to take care of myself. My parents we're abusive, they do not fund me.

I keep in contact with them only if I find myself so desperate that I need to speak with them.

I'm not in university yet. I am a sophomore at community college. I have frequently had to take time off to work and for therapy.

Money is huge for me, 4 and 5 dollars more is a huge difference in my paycheck. But yeah, keep calling me whiney.

[–][deleted] 24 points25 points ago

It's not the fear of rejection. It's that it's wasted time hoping for something that doesn't happen. If experience is required, there's no point in wasting my time applying there when I could be looking elsewhere.

[–]Pit_of_Death 34 points35 points ago

My 2 cents here is that it's also the psychological impact of being ignored because you're not deemed to be competitive enough. People say "just apply -what's the worst than can happen"? The job market does not work that way anymore...it asks for more experience than you have, your resume goes right in the recycle bin because there are quite literally dozens of other applicants that do have that experience they ask for...why go to the trouble when a recruiter or HR manager looks at your resume for 15 seconds or less and dismisses you right away? There are better ways to focus energy in job searching.

[–]redbeardo 12 points13 points ago

People get depressed when you are dating and go on, say 50 dates, and each one says that they can't see themselves with you. It's psychologically depressing when you do the same thing, often with the same amount of time (one hour per job application because of bullshit personality tests- and if you're applying through monster you might as well throw it in the toilet) and you don't hear anything back.

I graduated with a bachelor's degree in HR. I hate how morons on the internet, and family members say "just do X, X, and X, how hard can it be?" while you waste 40 hours a week unpaid filling out applications.

[–]Pit_of_Death 4 points5 points ago

I hate how morons on the internet, and family members say "just do X, X, and X, how hard can it be?"

Aka "confirmation bias". In other words, it was so easy for them, why wouldn't it be for everyone else? The thing is, they're not wrong...if you dont try you won't get anywhere. But it's HOW you try, not simply whether you do or not. Add in the psychological aspects of rejection and failure which impact some people more than others, and you get a lot of resentment for being lectured about easy and straightforward it is.

[–]hallsofstone 16 points17 points ago

If you are an employer and you actually do this then FUCK YOU x1000!!!!

**Can't tell you how many times I've seen this. '09 Grad with 300+ resume/applications sent out between 4 months prior to grad ceremony and today. Still work hourly with no benefits and no savings. At least it's full time.

[–]Amie89 1 point2 points ago

It's sad how true this is. I did four years of uni, got two degrees, and now I'm working at an inbound call centre for a telco which you don't need any qualifications to work at.

[–]Shyyyster 1 point2 points ago

a lot of companies just put that requirement up just to keep the applicant amount down. they dont care if you have no experience, they just want someone who really wants the job.

[–]paradoxofchoice 1 point2 points ago

the only thing "entry level" about it is the pay.

[–]BakedGood 138 points139 points ago

Wanted: 1 month old baby for a commercial photoshoot.

2 years professional modeling experience required.

[–]RedderNeckanize 270 points271 points ago

cant get a job because I don't have a car because I don't have money because I..

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[–]killiangray 90 points91 points ago

Yes... It's almost like if we elected representatives who spent our tax money on "infrastructure," then people would have public transportation to use to get to work...

NAHHH who am I kidding, right guys??

[–]skullins 6 points7 points ago

But public transport is only for poor people, right? How dare you imply we lower ourselves to that!!

[–]Second_Foundationeer 11 points12 points ago

Blame people for wanting individualism in everything, including cars..

[–]michaelpinto 24 points25 points ago

It's pretty much everything that's wrong with suburbia — without a car you're isolated. It's not just young people who want jobs, but also senior citizens who can't drive any more and the poor.

[–]the_underscore_key 19 points20 points ago

I DIDN'T PICK SUBURBAN LIFE, SUBURBAN LIFE PICKED ME

Fuck you suburbia

[–]diabolotry 2 points3 points ago

I know, right? I'd rather live in/near a city, but then I need a job in the city and many cities aren't affordable.

[–]wizang 20 points21 points ago

Ride a bike!

[–]TheAbsurdist 23 points24 points ago

Not a viable option in some parts of certain countries.

[–]psychicsword 2 points3 points ago

While true think about how many < 10 mile trips people take in a car even in those areas. That alone would be a lot of money saved on gas.

[–]Fa1nT 8 points9 points ago

Riding a bike limits the already low selection of free jobs to ones within a few miles of your house.

Some of the better ones won't even allow you to come in all sweaty and nasty.

[–]wizang 9 points10 points ago

Ice soap! :)

Edit: And in all seriousness, 10-20 mile commute each way is not as daunting as it seems on a bike. I recognize however that everyone's situation is different and biking isn't a solution for all people.

[–]MPR_Dan 1 point2 points ago

Used to have that same problem. I used to live WAYYYYY out in the country and people would tell me to take a bus. People just don't understand that there are no buses, taxis, or ANY type of public transport out in those areas.

[–]forgotmydamnpassword 193 points194 points ago

Just borrow some money from your parents and start your own business.

[–]TigerBloodWinning 11 points12 points ago

I started a business when I had a job then I lost my job about 1 month ago but I don't make enough off my business. I need money to increase my sales since my business industry standard is net 30. I can't get a loan because I don't have credit and my parents don't have money to loan. Little by little I should get to the point where I run my business for a living. I sell construction and semi tires in Phoenix. It's a mobile service.

[–]rspeed 2 points3 points ago

Ugh. Fucking net 30. I'm 31 and just had to borrow money from my dad to afford a business trip, then starved for a month waiting for them to pay me for the time and expenses. In fact, the check just cleared this morning and I'm about to celebrate by eating a burrito.

[–]tjbassoon 135 points136 points ago

lol 'cause Romney.

[–]steppe5 10 points11 points ago

Or sell some of your stock. You don't have 100 shares of Apple lying around like the rest of us?

[–]Pit_of_Death 48 points49 points ago

I graduated with a Master's in 2005 and it's still going like this for me. I haven't worked regularly since early 2009 when I lost my 2nd career job in a year as the economy was hurtling downwards. I've since tried switching careers and this is just how it has gone. No experience = no job. My previous experience = too long ago to be competitive. I'm sure I'm not the only one who is not a recent graduate that is experiencing this problem.

[–]malleable 7 points8 points ago

Holy crap! Are you me? You're not alone, brother!

[–]psychicsword 2 points3 points ago

What did you get your masters in?

[–]Pit_of_Death 5 points6 points ago

City/Development Planning. Construction industry takes a dive = no more job. I've been getting educated in renewable energy and green economy, sustainability etc...but it's a specialized industry still that absolutely does not match the hype it's been given the past few years.

[–]Pays4Porn 116 points117 points ago

Don't worry a front page post will get you a job--guaranteed.

[–]purefloat 16 points17 points ago

Interviewer: "What's your previous work experience like?"

jollyo55: "Well, I'm actually a professional (freelance) redditor."

Interviewer: "I guess that's impressive. What's your salary?"

jollyo55: "Once I got to the front page, earning 1.7k karma. I probably get around 10k link karma on a good year."

Interviewer: "Hired."

[–]jollyo55[S] 94 points95 points ago

Well, if 16 years of education couldn't do it, I'm starting to fear nothing will.

[–]olcoil2 27 points28 points ago

Ah man, feel bad for you. We have a guy in our part-time company with a Electrical Engineering degree, MBA, smart as a tart, his dad's a VC, mom's a doctor, work experience in AMD as a programmer.

But none of that has gotten him a job for the last few months. He wants to go into business analytics to eventually become a VC I think. Dude is not happy these days.

One thing that worries me about him though, he doesn't carry much confidence or leadership skills. He is the smartest founder in our company and yet takes instructions from people less educated than him. He has all the smarts in the world but isn't using it to BUILD or CREATE, he much prefers to take safe bets and follow instructions. I'll let you figure out what I'm trying to imply here. Maybe there isn't a parallel, maybe the market is just terrible right now. Anyways good luck!

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points ago

I think you really summed up well why the guy is having problems finding a job. People seem to forget that the company is hiring a person, not a degree. You can be the smartest person who ever lived, but if you are missing the motivation, leadership skills, and creative thinking, then you're just a pile of information that the company can't really use. It's the difference between being a sports analyst and an athlete when a team is looking for players.

[–]Im_smarter_than_you 5 points6 points ago

16 years of education is just a regular bachelors degree, right?

How do you expect that to differentiate you from everyone else with a degree?

Get some professional certs done.

[–]CyclopticBinLid 30 points31 points ago

My favourite was a listing I saw a week ago that explicitly said 'GRADUATE' at the start of the title. The job requirements then went on to say that applicants required 2 years of professional experience.

In other words, I know dat feel, bro.

[–]Nathan_of_Nazareth 43 points44 points ago

i actually landed a job today. fuck yes.

[–]TrendyGame 2 points3 points ago

Congratulations, my friend.

[–]koy5 2 points3 points ago

I got an interview on the 10th they are flying me out so I am hopeful. I am sad to say that I got this opportunity because I knew someone. I wish it didn't have to be this way.

[–]smilingeasy 25 points26 points ago

This is totally the spot I'm in right now... and the shitty part is I had finally gotten a job in my field that didn't require a lot of experience and they had to let me go cuz there's not enough work for me to do....

[–]iamthepalmtree 3 points4 points ago

The exact same thing happened to me! Last hired, first fired...

[–]DoubleJumps 8 points9 points ago

I've had to assist a company a relative works for several times in PC repair and service (about 17 years old then) as their own IT guy was having difficulties making things work. Not long after I turned 18 their IT guy left and I offered to take his position, since I had already proven that I was more capable than he was.

The response was this.

You are too young to possibly have the skills necessary for this.

Uh huh, and all those times I came in and fixed your issues it was completely by chance.

They replaced their IT guy with their own son, who is 31. They pay him over 200 grand a year. He is almost computer illiterate.

They still have the gall to have my relative call me to come fix their son's mistakes, which are things like not knowing how to set up dual monitors, change monitor resolution, install basic programs, etc.

I charge them out the ass for it.

[–]Ukazi2021 23 points24 points ago

I DON'T HAVE A JOB BECAUSE I DON'T HAVE ANY SKILLS I DON'T HAVE ANY SKILLS BECAUSE I DIDN'T GO TO SCHOOL I DIDN'T GO TO SCHOOL BECAUSE I DON'T HAVE ANY MONEY! I DON'T HAVE ANY MONEY BECAUSE I DONT HAVE A JOB. I DON'T HAVE A JOB BECAUSE I DON'T HAVE ANY SKILLS I DON'T HAVE ANY SKILLS BECAUSE I DIDN'T GO TO SCHOOL I DIDN'T GO TO SCHOOL BECAUSE I DON'T HAVE ANY MONEY!

[–]gerusz 5 points6 points ago

LOST IN AMERICA, LOST IN AMERICA, LOST IN AMERICA, LOST!

[–]AD7863 3 points4 points ago

Infinite loop detected.

[–]Jack_Latham 8 points9 points ago

I found that what kept me from getting a job was having an inside-track. That is, knowing someone in the organization who would talk me up. I'm headed for an interview for my dream job later this month, and the only reason I'm in the top-two for that job is because I know a guy in the company who told the hiring manager I was good for the job. That's it. I'm underqualified with very little experience in what they do. I suppose I have tangential experience, but not direct experience.

Unfortunately, it's all about who you know. The jobs I've gotten have come from connections, not competency.

[–]listerinebreath 28 points29 points ago

i liked the one that said:

"women like to go to the bathroom together because they like to chat in line because there's always a line because..."

[–]steve2112 5 points6 points ago

I think actually that this happens because people tend to pick fields that are over saturated. Where i am english teachers are a dime a dozen and have a hard time getting jobs. If you were a science teacher, like chem or earth science, its much much easier.

The jobs out there for specialized fields which few people go like engineering are much less competitive, though in this economy everything is tough. I know in my field of graphic design i got offered a job for mid-level web and print design for $10/hr. I have 5 years experience in both. I laughed at them and sad thanks but no thanks. I looked for a few more months and got a great job at a great company

[–]hQWeedEater 37 points38 points ago

Should have skipped college... You could have had 4 years of experience by now.

[–]HankVenture87 15 points16 points ago

Can't get a job because I don't have experience because I can't get a job...

Can't get a car loan because I don't have previous car payment history because I can't get a car loan...

Can't get an apartment because I don't have rent history because I can't get an apartment...

The world is dumb.

[–]Crasas 5 points6 points ago

Not all companies are like that!

"We are still looking for undergraduates in Chemical Engineering (or equivalent engineering) with programming or undergraduates in Computer Science, with experience level of 0-2 years."

--> Internal mail from my company. Granted, it IS looking at pretty specific fields...

[–]rhinorocan 2 points3 points ago

When you don't have experience, make it up. Even if you only last a day then you have experience.

[–]EhictheLoon 1 point2 points ago

I have been a hiring manager in the past and ALWAYS bust people on this. DO NOT make crap up. We will catch you in a lie. Then you will never get the job.

[–]kingssman 13 points14 points ago

LOL only time I've lied on a resume was when I was wanting a part time job at Best Buy. I claimed I finished Highschool, dropped out of college, no degree, worked part-time in fast food, never made more than minimum wage.

Submitted that app on saturday, bitches called me sunday, had me interviewed on a monday.

[–]SuddenlyTimewarp 4 points5 points ago

Was that overqualifying yourself or underqualifying yourself? If you're overqualified, sometimes I guess it might help to just ignore that degree you have and tell them you've been vegetating in mom's basement for 4 years instead!

[–]pickled_cock_sammich 11 points12 points ago

Those with experience and no college degree, can't get a job, cause college degrees are becoming standard. Unless you like making on average about 20 grand a year. We're just all fucked.

[–]go-t 20 points21 points ago

I don't comprehend. I couldn't find a job in my field that payed decent, so I took a job as a leasehand on a drilling rig. Within two years I worked my way to managing a district for the company, in large part due to my education/rig experience combination.

Degree: BA in Psychology, Minor in Philosophy.
Wage: +100k Age:28

If there's nothing in your field, look elsewhere and work hard...

[–]adius 10 points11 points ago

that's awesome but you're just one person with your own specific set of circumstances, which are probably less similar to those of the OP than what you think

[–]TheIcelander 4 points5 points ago

You're earning a hell of a lot more than people who have degrees in psychology and philosophy. Source: I'm married to a psychologist.

[–]I_Key_Cars 11 points12 points ago

Tell them your college degree is a good substitute for experience and then bullshit your way in.

[–]jollyo55[S] 10 points11 points ago

That is basically the summary of my cover letter DING

[–]ac3raven 45 points46 points ago

You just have to lie, and by that I mean:

  • fluff up the resume
  • tell them you're good at something even though you're not (do this even on technical matters)
  • Smile, hand shake, speak "excitedly", talk to other employees about their position, put on a whole fake show
  • Call them back once a day until you get the job or until they fill it.

My generation has this problem on a massive scale. I have 2.5 college degrees and I make 9 dollars an hour repair computers at Staples. It sucks that I can't get the kind of job that I was told I'd be able to get.

EDIT: This got lots of upvotes fast, so let me clarify. I'm not advocating outright lying, I'm saying "sell yourself". Any employer could take an objective look at your resume and decide you suck, and if you're not super-excited, super nice, and confident they will just ignore you.

When I tell you to lie about technical skills, I'm saying tell them you know something, and then go home and study it furiously. If it's a job that requires specific technical skills, you will undoubtedly be tested on those skills, so if you do it right, then you either pass and they like you or you fail and they just think that you need to learn more, not that you're a liar. Obviously, if your experience is in business management and you're going for a a server admin, you're doing it wrong, but if you're help-desk tech going for a server admin, then maybe you can "fake it 'till you make it".

"Fake it 'till you make it" is unfortunately how getting a job works a lot of the time.

[–]sammynicxo 62 points63 points ago

Just out of curiosity, if that's all you have to do, why are you repairing computers at Staples for $9/h?

[–]matty_a 16 points17 points ago

That's the "The $9/hr Question" question here. "Take my advice! It hasn't worked for me!"

[–]TomNomNom 24 points25 points ago

Maybe the reason you've only been able to get a job at Staples is because you:

  • Lied on your resume and decent hiring managers can often tell
  • Seemed "fake" in interviews
  • Annoyed hiring managers by calling them every day when they were very busy trying to interview people and fill out HR paperwork.

What are your degrees in, out of interest? And how did you manage to half of one?

[–]hiringmgrthrowaway 7 points8 points ago

I had the same reaction.

  • fluffed up resumes make me distrustful, which is an instant no, and they're usually pretty obvious.
  • lying about qualifications is usually REALLY obvious.
  • calling me everyday would be incredibly weird. I've had people who followed up and that was fine, but calling daily... I was going to say I'd never reward that but then I thought of a (very few) exceptions where I'd appreciate the obnoxious tenacity.

And yeah... what the fuck is half a degree?

[–]velouria123 8 points9 points ago

The last two sentences are in jest, right?

[–]mclovin93 22 points23 points ago

I have been pondering this logic for years. If employers continue to be like this, pretty soon no one will be able to get a job. Any thoughts?

[–]asielen 25 points26 points ago

They are basically rehiring all the people that got fired a couple years ago but at half the pay. The entry level jobs are being filled by these people. They want the experience but don't want to pay for it.

[–][deleted] 41 points42 points ago

"Entry level job" and "1-3 years experience" paired together means internships, independent work, fellowships and research. Most people coast through college thinking the degree will prove they're good hiring material. It doesn't work like that in many fields.

[–]zalapa89 17 points18 points ago

I think a lot of people assume they have no experience. Sometimes it might not be as obvious as an actual job but experience isn't always an actual job.

[–]coltman75 7 points8 points ago

I'm not even going to lie... In the 5th grade, I was put into a program teaching peer mediation. I put "trained peer mediator" on my resume, and I'm currently working in a job that is 75% peer mediation because this was on my resume.

[–]yupyupyupshutup 3 points4 points ago

Exactly! I love reading resumes when people actually write that they have travelled the world. That means that they are excited about something they have done - about who they are essentially.

Companies generally hire persons - colleagues - not just a function.

[–]GomaN1717 4 points5 points ago

Jesus Christ, yes. No matter what major you declare, in most cases, the degree alone will account for next to nothing. It amazes me how many people pass on opportunities like internships or apprenticeships because of their own stubborn pride for being "guaranteed a job" straight out of college.

[–]unusedalias 3 points4 points ago

Yep. How many people go to college just to party and socialize now? I bet it's a lot more than you think.

So many people think college guarantees a job. It's sad really.

[–]Saint-Peer 7 points8 points ago

You hear people complaining about this all the time, but some never think to themselves, "How are my friends with no experience getting jobs?" Some might be connections, some might not be getting paid, but most are from those who applied to dozens upon dozens of places until they got something. There are those who shy away from getting jobs. They want the money, but they don't want to commit to losing free time. These people apply for maybe 5-6 jobs before stopping. I know there are some kind of jobs where it is legitimately hard to get in, serious career jobs. As for small jobs to get you by, just got to keep applying.

[–]tyrantlytamale 8 points9 points ago

pretty soon only people who are willing to work in college will be able to get a job

FTFY

[–]phil1p 3 points4 points ago

Well if you are in Los Angeles I can offer you a general labor job... $8 hourly.

[–]andrewober 2 points3 points ago

So I'm lookin' for a girl with a job and a car!

[–]LexAurum 25 points26 points ago

Volunteer. There's your experience.

[–]Devon64327 47 points48 points ago

Fun story- I walked into my local National Forest Headquarters (White Mountains, NH) and asked if they had any volunteer opportunities. I then filled out an application that asked for prior experience. I didnt get an offer.

[–]Aaod 4 points5 points ago

I visited the local senior recreation center and asked about volunteering. I was told they only take volunteers in a work program from the local college.

[–]chrisms150 26 points27 points ago

That's what I'm doing now. But honestly, Fuck that mindset. Fuck it hard. "yeah work for free for a year then maybe you can get a job that's entry level"

Who the FUCK has enough money to do that? Honestly. I'm lucky, I'm possibly getting a job offer in the coming weeks because I have some friends of friends in high places in my field. But if that falls through WTF am I supposed to do to continue to afford to volunteer?

for the record: my degree is a BS in biomedical engineering. with a GPA of 3.6 (putting me at magna cum laude for my class) and a year and a half experience in one research lab; and a year in another. In before "you must have a liberal arts degree"

[–]snakeoilking 7 points8 points ago

See my problem stems from the fact that I can't even get volunteer opportunities or internships either.

[–]geomn13 124 points125 points ago

Bank account nearly empty, crippling student loan debt, yeah let me just go "volunteer" my time. I got a degree for a reason, to get a job, had I known that it counts for shit and that experience is all they care about I wouldn't have bothered! Note: not mad at you LexAurum, just venting.

Edit: So i didn't realize I would catch so much attention here (both good and bad). To be a little more clear, I just completed an M.S. in geology at a top rate university (in top 25). I did not internship during my schooling (lack of opportunity and foresight) and worked a part time job outside the university during my undergrad. I have been applying to numerous jobs within my field, and several distantly related fields as well, I have even applied to positions which only require a B.S. to no avail as of yet. I do not spend nearly as much time on reddit as some people here think, and am not lazy (my educational credentials can attest to that). Yet I have received no word from about 90% of the positions I apply for (an implied no), flat out told no, and had one prescreening interview which lead to nothing as well. Out of countless applications (40+ by now) I have achieved one interview, one. Just wish it was a little easier is all. Hope this clears things up and puts some perspective on my position.

[–]Marcos267 25 points26 points ago

The degree counts for a lot, it's just when you're applying for a job that others with your same qualities have, what's going to separate you from them? The internship isn't the most important but it's what separates you from the herd.

[–]appropriate_gifs 24 points25 points ago

A degree gets you looked at and experience gets you hired.

[–]Androne 3 points4 points ago

How many hours a day do you spend applying/looking for jobs? Please be realistic because I know most people will not spend 8 hours a day 7 days a week applying for jobs if they do not have one. You don't have to volunteer all day every day and there is a chance you will meet people who have jobs who are also volunteering their time to the same place you are. That person may know of a job they can submit a resume in for you. Volunteering is not only about gaining skills you can write on your resume to make it look good its also about networking. If you see it as a waste of time you're doing yourself a huge disservice especially since not many people in their right mind can spend every waking moment applying for jobs months at a time.

After university I spent a summer applying for jobs without much luck so I then started working for a labor agency emptying trucks and helping set up for concerts then eventually I got a shitty data entry job for an insurance company. A year after a graduated I finally got a job kind of in my field. The reason I got it? Someone I had met knew of a job in their company that I could apply for. I didn't meet the requirements completely but I applied anyway. Thanks to this person I got a phone interview about a week later then I went for a face to face interview a few days after that. Two weeks after I applied I was on a plane ready to start my new job. All of this because I met someone who saw my potential and referred me to their bosses who were hiring. This isn't unusual. A good number of people I know who got jobs after university have similar stories of meeting someone randomly who helped them get a job in their company.

edit: I'd like to add that I got this job a little over a year ago so its relevant to today.

[–]matty_a 4 points5 points ago

So if you're not working, you have 16 hours of the day to fill. Volunteer for 6, send out job applications for 6, do other shit with the remaining 4?

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points ago

Right, since volunteering your time is such a bigger waste than complaining about not having a job on Reddit. Not to be an asshole, but every minute you spend thinking you're too good to do volunteer or part-time work puts you behind those who are in your same situation but can put their ego behind them until and bite the bullet at McDonalds or WalMart until a valuable position pops up. Or then again you might be one of the people who haven't realized that as every school semester passes, more college kids are graduating with those same credentials you have and you've just done nothing in the meantime.

If you really want to work, get up now, dress nicely, get the fuck out of your house, and walk to every business in your area and ask for anything you can do, knowing that if you get a shitty janitorial or clerical job, the solace of knowing it is only temporary will get you through it. But hey, what do I know, I'm just a college graduate with $70,000 student loans who is working part time as a telemarketer until I break into my desired field. I don't mean to be an asshole, but we're ALL in the same boat, it's up to you to figure your way out out it.

[–]jollyo55[S] 33 points34 points ago

I tried volunteering and internships, was told I am too young to be accepted (I got my degree 1yr earlier than usual). Volunteering would be fine if my bills'n'such wouldn't be kicking me in the 'nads.

[–]DeepRoast 19 points20 points ago

Well if you're not in school and don't have a job, what's holding you back from volunteering or taking a crappy job in the meanwhile?

Yes you have debt, but if you have no job then trying something is better than nothing.

[–]jollyo55[S] 9 points10 points ago

I'm not from the US so there's not a lot of school debt that I have. I went to a volunteering agency to register, they told me they'd contact me when they have something for me. They usually hand out projects to 4-5 volunteers per month and there are a limited few I'm interested in (mostly in IT). As for taking a crappy job, I'm on the "waiting list" for a call centre job at the moment. So there's that.

[–]ModestMarinara 4 points5 points ago

This makes no sense...if you are over 18 there should be zero age bias. You could potentially get them in trouble for that, though, you obviously wouldn't be helping your potential future with whomever.

[–]Scybert 2 points3 points ago

Try being positive. Victim mentality works with preachers and bartenders only.

[–]scdodge03 2 points3 points ago

I love hearing that I'm over qualified for jobs.

[–]Bemyhero 1 point2 points ago

Everything about this is my life right now

[–]mrMirage 1 point2 points ago

I'd alter the image to say I can't get a job because I don't have connections - experience and education are secondary (sorry but this is exactly how it works)

[–]Tatatee 1 point2 points ago

I'm pretty disgusted at the large number of Redditors who flat out support lying "because everybody else does it".

Bullshit.

[–]High_On_Information 2 points3 points ago

I know im going to get downvoted but lie.

Go back to your college and get the silybus for every class you were in or the most important classes. Get the course description and important skill set from each class and put it in your resume.

Create about 2 or fake jobs in your resume. Get3 or 4 friends or famaly members to get google voice numbers. Put these on your resume so your friends know when to act proffesional. Throw in one phone number from an out of town area where your skills might be higher in demand. Example, sotware desing try cali, or oregon. Nurse try Austin or Fl.

Honestly most resumes are handle by computer algorythyms so using the course description will put a lot of key words in your resume and you will be call faster.

When u get a call run to the place, hang out aroumd lunch or break and straight up ask for a recondation from somebody. They normaly make money recruiting somebody.

The next day just mention them casually.

Get hired buy that guy lunch for a week.

Profit!