i disagree. there are NO job classes which should be considered by society to relinquish their rights to collective bargaining. i would argue personally that in our current environment of neo conservatism encouraging the use of military force to shape foreign policy, that such collective bargaining among soldiers would have a positive benefit. you dont often have to convince the military population that war is necessary if a country is being invaded. any other situation the individual morality and ethics of soldiers should trump orders. this is the essence of the soldier's stated responsibility to ignore illegal orders. and from personal experience, i can tell you for sure that the us army (in 2002) was in basic training only paying the barest of lip service to this responsibility, and IMO deliberately denying soldiers of the information they would need to make such a critical decision. i guess the point im trying to make is boiled down to, if you can get enough military personnel to band together and declare that a particular order is illegal or unethical, then they should at least get some consideration and not immediate punishment or dismissal. that is tantamount to the administration placing pressure on research efforts to doctor their results. i would personally argue that there is a systemic disease in the ranks of the armed forces, in that they seem to view themselves as tools of administration power, rather than instruments for checking it. but, given the fact that the fed switched to an all volunteer army in the shadows of the vietnam draft, it is difficult to find people who would fill such roles in the military. even those personnel who know what they are doing/being asked to do is wrong, they feel indebted because they are being provided food, shelter, and in many cases post secondary education. thusly, for a large portion of the military it is not so much bearing allegiance to a particular ideology or foreign policy, as a sense of not biting the hand that feeds. this is a reason that i am personally in favor of ending all volunteer military service, and enacting mandatory service for both genders 18-30 via the reserves/national guard.