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[–]GovDisinfoAgentJust an average redditor - I like cats and memes 44 points45 points ago

I hate to contradict, but more suppression of ideas is done socially than ever done by teachers. The biggest documented problem with public school is apathy, where 80% just don't get that much attention.

[–]GueroCabron 14 points15 points ago

I agree with this completely.

Big corp owns Media, Media shapes society, society shapes the youth, youth rule the future.

[–]supercede 1 point2 points ago

What you have mentioned is true, but also hugely important is the very methods of learning employed in schools. As I mentioned before, schools are structurally set up so that, when children's minds are most malleable, they are trained to accept regimentation, appeal to authority, and conformity as social norms. Children are taught via linear-logic methods in Prussian-based settings(desks in rows facing teacher), which holistically empowers not the mental, unique capabilities of each child, but empowers those social efforts to manipulate them later on in life

[–]IAMBollock 2 points3 points ago

I disagree completely. If I told my friends about something interesting or artistic I was going to do, we'd talk about it and they'd probably end up thinking it's cool. If i'd told some of my teachers the same thing they'd (and they did) tell me to stop dreaming.

[–]encore_une_fois 0 points1 point ago

Definitely heard many similar stories. Even if the underlying problem remains apathy or too many kids, teachers definitely quash good ideas too. My sister's favorite example is suggesting Native Americans might have used boats as well as walking along the land-bridge, which the teacher laughed off. My mom's is a chemistry teacher saying the atom was the smallest whole particle, period. Somehow arguing that the subparts didn't count on their own, as well as being ignorant of a wide variety of other particles apparently.

[–]IAMBollock 0 points1 point ago

We had an art teacher in primary school who I will always remember as a complete cunt that stifled kids creativity.

She would have a vision of how she wanted everyone's piece to look by the end of it, so it would look coherent when she put them all up on the wall and she'd feel like a good teacher.

That's fine, explain what they should do and let them get on with it... but if anyone strayed outside her artistic vision, she would go batshit on them. Of course this made anyone fearful of trying anything new in art class, a couple of us would just meet up and draw Pokemon as a sort of mini resistance :D. Luckily I told my Mum about one incident, she told me not to let it stop me from trying new things anyway.

Also, we had a music teacher that would do a lot of the same things, I actually ended up changing that class pretty dramatically by standing my ground and submitting pieces (she wasn't the person eventually marking them) that were far beyond her understanding (too modern, a genre she doesn't understand). A lot of producers have come out of that school now, like to think I had a little bit to do with that.

So yeah, it's nearly always the teachers... and in some cases the students are the ones ENCOURAGING creativity like the teachers should be.

[–]encore_une_fois 0 points1 point ago

I would say the majority of the teachers I had, I didn't benefit from them. But I'm not sure that it was always their fault, if that makes any sense. Loved your story; it's like pubschool gore.

[–]GenTso -4 points-3 points ago

Unbridled enthusiasm doesn't change the fact the idea might be unfeasible or pie-in-the-sky.

[–]IAMBollock 1 point2 points ago

Well, it actually happened in school... and it's now my job. Bit strange to assume that if a teacher put it down it must be unfeasible. Even if a teacher thinks it might be a dream, what gives them the right to try and take that dream away from you? This is the whole point of the OP.

[–]GenTso -1 points0 points ago

Read my reply again:

might

[–]IAMBollock 0 points1 point ago

How does that make it right? Oh your dream might be pie in the sky so I'm gonna tell you to not even try? That's not what people should be doing.

[–]nubbin99 1 point2 points ago

John Taylor Gatto would disagree with you, I think.

[–]supercede 0 points1 point ago

You make an interesting point, yet I do not agree. Obviously, the greater social/cultural influence on the ability of a people to creatively and critically think is huge, but you are severely underestimating the subtle intellectual effects of early and constant linear-logic-based teaching.

If you read the writings of the original founders of the prussian education system -- the tenets, goals, and purposes of it-- it is hard dismiss the impact it has on children's minds from early on... This image is about the education system's overall process of "squaring the circle"- foundationally setting the mental faculties of children to conform and not question, and to accept adjustment from authority rather than being an agent of socio-economic change. So to your point, yes, the overall social impact is great, but it rests upon the continuous schooling efforts...

The following quote is from John Taylor Gatto, referring to the work of Alexander Inglis, the author of Principles of Secondary Education and was very influential in instituting the Prussian model in the US. In his book, Inglis established 7 principals for what would become our prussian-based education system.

According to Inglis, the first function of schooling is adjustive, establishing fixed habits of reaction to authority. This prepares the young to accept whatever management dictates when they are grown. Second is the diagnostic function. School determines each student’s "proper" social role, logging it mathematically on cumulative records to justify the next function, sorting . Individuals are to be trained only so far as their likely destination in the social machine, not one step beyond. Conformity is the fourth function. Kids are to be made alike, not from any passion for egalitarianism, but so future behavior will be predictable, in service to market and political research. Next is the hygienic function. This has nothing to do with individual health, only the health of the "race." This is polite code for saying that school should accelerate Darwinian natural selection by tagging the unfit so clearly they drop from the reproduction sweepstakes. And last is the propaedutic function, a fancy word meaning that a small fraction of kids will slowly be trained to take over management of the system, guardians of a population deliberately dumbed down and rendered childlike in order that government and economic life can be managed with a minimum of hassle. And there you have the formula: adjustment, diagnosis, sorting, conformity, racial hygiene, and continuity.

Also, I agree that lack of attention and apathy are a major cause of the conformity-thinking, as a mentoring relationship with an intellectually honest teacher is going to empower students, holistically. So within the large class, children are structurally set up to be intellectual failures where we can be more easily influenced and manipulated by the greater social/cultural faculties, as you mentioned in your comment.

[–]phnx90 0 points1 point ago

The rest, I imagine, would be covered by religion depending on where you live.

[–]BinLeenk 25 points26 points ago

they do it in private school, too.

[–]turnusb 18 points19 points ago

I'd say it's even worse in private school.

[–]conspiracy_policeಠ_ಠ 13 points14 points ago

add some religion and you get the bottom of the barrel

[–]BinLeenk 4 points5 points ago

Certainly In most cases. Just don't want anyone to get the impression that private is free of it.

[–]lazybrownfox 6 points7 points ago

Wear brand names and don't question authority.

[–]MrTulip 1 point2 points ago

i don't know. in my old school people who were wearing only 'branded' clothing were ridiculed and we had stuff like the milgram experiment in 9th grade politics.

[–]MittensObama 12 points13 points ago

"The surest way to corrupt a youth is to instruct him to hold in higher esteem those who think alike than those who think differently." -Nietzsche

[–]willyp228 3 points4 points ago

I bet those little boxes are made of ticky-tacky...

[–]drmatt001 0 points1 point ago

Depends on the education system....

[–]tanhuan 2 points3 points ago

I went to public school for my entire education. I still like to think I came out okay.

[–]Sens0r 3 points4 points ago

I don't think it's a "public" school thing.

[–]blandz87 5 points6 points ago

Yeah that's pretty much accurate. If only the majority of teachers didn't believe in this conformist strategy and took the time to expand instead of mold to the liking of their bosses and other powerful internationalists, who have way to much influence for what little oversight they have, than maybe, just maybe, we would have twice as many engineers in this country. They think this is for the best, so that's how things are and always will be. (It's not in our best interests of course but you already knew that.)

Edit: I want to recommend to you The School Sucks Podcast. I think that along with the Peace Revoluiton podcast you're bound to wind up ahead of the curve.

[–]ParanoidPriceIsRight 10 points11 points ago

Most good teachers I have encountered were fired. The ones that tell you useful things about how the world is and fought to change curriculum got canned in under a year.

[–]bstree 0 points1 point ago

I wasn't fired, but I quit. Took about 10 years or so, but yea.

[–]my_man_krishna 2 points3 points ago

Good call. Peace Revolution's Podcast was the first thing that came to mind when I saw the cartoon.

John Taylor Gatto's 5-part interview series, entitled "The Ultimate History Lesson with John Taylor Gatto," should bring everybody up to speed on the philosophical and political factors that gave rise to America's state-run deintellectualization centers.

[–]nubbin99 2 points3 points ago

ive watched that 5 hour interview 5 times over the course of a year or so, everytime i get new tidbits that i didnt catch before, it's so packed full of info and references

[–]my_man_krishna 1 point2 points ago

Did you ever look at the show footnotes? Good Lord those people can footnote. 300+ footnotes for a single episode.

[–]EasternEuropean 1 point2 points ago

Also :

"Race and gender is just a social construct!" , "Never forget, six milion jews died in horrible ways because of aryans beasts! (like you)", "Homosexuality is completely normal!"

I am wondering, is this indoctrination takes some kind of part of social experiment?

[–]tttt0tttt 1 point2 points ago

You've named three key pieces of the social indoctrination of children -- three things everyone is not only expected to believe, but compelled to believe. Trouble is, they aren't true, which makes believing them a bit of a hurdle for some of us who use our minds.

[–]doejinn 0 points1 point ago

It doesn't matter if you believe this comic is entirely accurate or not, the concept is amazing.

[–]Blamemeta 0 points1 point ago

You have to remember it's a public school system. It's the lowest of the low. It's like walmart. You can get everything in therefor cheap. Doesn't mean you should. And that's what parents are forgetting these days.

[–]Dexter77 1 point2 points ago

[–]hulluapina 1 point2 points ago

I was just about to post that. As a Finn, I do not understand why public school, would be bad.

[–]Lokarn 1 point2 points ago

The Swiss school system is better, they make different types of classes once you do a test, the dumb ones only get to choose between some dozens of crappy jobs where they can apply for an apprenticeship, the bright ones will do more tests and only the brightest of them all can go to the university.

In my canton there are about 4 levels:

Werkschule for the dumbest of them all, they will grow up to have all shitty jobs that nobody wants.

Oberschule for the ones that are not so dumb, they usually put all foreigners that arrive at the country without knowing the language in this level, reguardless of intelligence. Mostly jobs that have to do with the industry and mechanics.

Sekundarschule for the normal ones. They get to choose all jobs they want.

Bezirksschule for the intelligent ones, they can either go to the university if their grades are good or they can choose desk jobs.

/sarcasm.

I was a victim of this crappy system. Got put with the dumb ones for 3 years because my knowledge of German was not so good when I arrived at the age of 14.

[–]Dexter77 1 point2 points ago

Out of curiosity, how do they measure the 'dumbness'?

[–]Lokarn 1 point2 points ago

You have to pass a test when you are in 6th grade, according to your grade they will put you in one of those classes. They repeat the test later, so that you can raise your class level or if you have good grades. But if you are an immigrant they automatically send you to lower grade (if you don't know the language well).

[–]ZiggyOnMars 0 points1 point ago

[–]RedBeardTheWeird 0 points1 point ago

Hey! Teacher! Leave them kids alone!

[–]Mairghead 1 point2 points ago

I'm fortunate to live in a city with a failed public school system. My son now gets to go to a charter school that is language immersion and at seven is bilingual in spanish and english. They are great at creativity. Next year my three year old starts kindergarten in mandarin. Its awesome to have options.

[–]pinkpanthers 0 points1 point ago

It's the school board...not the teachers. The teachers most often than not are told that the board knows better and they execute exactly what they are told. Yet every now and then an opened minded teacher with a passion to teach somes along...but even they have guidlines and curriculum to follow, and anyways, 1 year with a good teacher does not outweigh 11 years with bad teachers.

[–]carlog234 0 points1 point ago

a problem with the school system of any school system is that subjects are picked by others. standardized tests are given to each student with the idea that there is a certain standard on some platform of subjective intelligence that students must meet. what we fail to understand, is that everyone excels differently at different subjects, mediums, paces.

right now i could not think of an ideal school system that would be better than this one just cause im at work right now but it would be a lovely conversation to have.

for now i do find this comic comedic, although it is not necessarily true because yes students are left out of this bubble, ie students that do not pass these tests. idk love to have a discussion no time haha what do they call those meetings where people come together and discuss ideas? id love to go to one, im the dc area

[–]redbeetpee 1 point2 points ago

I remember "art time" in school where you had to copy what the teacher was drawing on the board. Our assignment was to draw this toucan and I drew my toucan with an arrow through its beak and part of its beak was coming off. My teacher saw my drawing and was like "NO! YOU CAN"T DRAW YOUR TOUCAN DIFFERENT FROM MINE!" and tore my paper apart. Ultimately, it contributed me wanting to rebel more and so I pretty much just started drawing a lot of porn pictures in my junior high years.

[–]fukenhippie 0 points1 point ago

What about Waldorf or other schools like that?

[–]bstree 0 points1 point ago

While Waldorf has some interesting approaches, it does not prepare children to exist in the world that most of them will be required to live in.

[–]fukenhippie 1 point2 points ago

How so?

[–]bstree 0 points1 point ago

When I taught in public school every time a student came out of Waldorf into my class they were completely unprepared to keep pace. In fact they were overall behind in their abilities to study and accomplish even the simplest of tasks that required self motivation. I've also known several adults who grew up in Waldorf who are still struggling with these same concerns in their life. Some are even former students. It's a lovely pedagogy, it's just not a very strong way to get a child ready for the world in which we live. Now if the child is to live somewhat apart from the dominant culture, Waldorf is a nice choice. But it's a detriment otherwise. This is is only my experience and opinion. Read up on Steiner if you would like to learn more.

[–]wwhateverr 0 points1 point ago

I think this depends a lot on how traditional the school and/or teacher is. I just finished a teacher education program, and the ideal being promoted by universities is anything but the "cookie cutter" approach.

One major problem is that parents seems to think that a traditional rote learning approach constitutes a "better" education, because it usually leads to better standardized test scores. Therefore, administration is pressured into offering traditional classrooms, and in turn, teachers feel that pressure. Many teachers try to offer a better experience, but without encouragement or funding (and often direct opposition), the enthusiasm slowly dwindles away.

The next biggest problem is lack of time. The honest truth is, how creative can you expect someone to be when they are only allotted about 10 minutes of prep time per class? Teaching programs encourage creative student-centred lesson planning, but if you only have ten minutes to prepare a class, you're going to have to just grab a textbook and selection some questions from the end of the chapter. You probably won't even have time to read the chapter that you're going to teach.

EDIT: Also remember that the allotted 10 minutes is also for marking. It is much quicker and easier to mark something if there is one right answer. Considering alternate points of view is nice, but it could take 10 minutes just to mark one question/paper. Multiply that by 200 students, and you'll begin to see why so many teachers don't take the time to encourage individual thought.

[–]gazork_chumble_spuzz 0 points1 point ago

This depends on the individual teacher and on the specific school. Some teachers are better at it than others; some schools are great places to send your children, while others suck. To say that this is the norm for public school across the board isn't quite accurate.

However, because you only have one teacher to a room full of thirty kids, who have different learning styles, different strengths and weaknesses where education is concerned, and are at differing levels of ability, it's really hard for the teacher to meet each student where he or she is. It's really hard for the teacher to make allowances for all the different learning styles and to personalize each kid's education. It's pretty much impossible because there just isn't enough time to get to know each kid that well. It takes a lot of time to learn these things about a child, and when your attention is split between thirty kids, it's not gonna happen. They do the best they can, I think, but there will always be kids who fall through the cracks.

This is one of the reasons why I'm an advocate for homeschooling, provided that the parents are educated themselves and are able to teach their kids. It's not for everyone - there are people who really shouldn't do it - but it's a good alternative.

[–]GhettoDickens 0 points1 point ago

I don't know about this... All the kids who went to private schools where I am from (which all just happen to be religion based) came out like a bunch of guidos ready to rape the world. I will take my public school education over being "cut" into an uneducated, religious, meat-head any day.

[–]Bluko 0 points1 point ago

[–]Poop_Salad 0 points1 point ago

I have seen first hand how public school is just one big sheep farm. For example, in English class, they always ask for "the best possible answer." the thing is, that it's more of an opinion thing. The schools are trying to force everyone to think the same way by compromising the thing that students depend on to get anywhere in life... Their grades. It seems very unfair to me.

[–]hamish_d 0 points1 point ago

I'm with you here. I'm gonna say that "school" is the keyword though.

[–]Squackulainverse 0 points1 point ago

Sadly yes. Creative teaching/learning is hard to come by these days.