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norse crisis flowchart (imgur.com)
submitted 15 hours ago by ranger_carn
[–]AhhGoOnFather 12 points13 points14 points 6 hours ago
http://i.imgur.com/aUSCt.jpg ???
[–]lord_of_tearor 23 points24 points25 points 15 hours ago
I see what yggdid there.
[–]IAmNotJoshua 1 point2 points3 points 3 hours ago
Did Loki do it? .... Noooo...
[–]xLAICEPS 8 points9 points10 points 6 hours ago
Saw this on /r/norse twice and /r/atheism once already.
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[–]Tarkanos 10 points11 points12 points 7 hours ago
Having just read the Edda, it sounds an awful lot like how the Aesir solved their problems to me. "Shit, this giant is about to successfully win the bet. Who convinced us to make this bet? Must have been Loki. Go get that son of a bitch."
[–]GrubFisher 5 points6 points7 points 6 hours ago
yeah, a lot of stuff was Loki's fault, and they were constantly punishing him for his tricks and betrayals and stuff. Loki or Giants is actually a pretty good summation.
[–]Tarkanos 4 points5 points6 points 6 hours ago
Honestly, aside from fighting in Ragnarok and killing Baldr, he got a raw deal. It was mostly the fault of the people who trusted him after having been tricked endlessly before.
[–]Elemmakil 2 points3 points4 points 6 hours ago
It should also be noted, that Loki was a giant himself. He was adopted into the AEsir but is of giant decent.
[–]Tarkanos 2 points3 points4 points 6 hours ago
I never quite figured out exactly what the definition of the giants as opposed to the Aesir was. They seemed to be able to hold a wide variety of forms, have just as much power as the gods (That is, it seemed the gods were named gods because they were powerful, not that they were powerful because they were gods), and were equally immortal. Frost giants aside, that is.
[–]Rohasfin 2 points3 points4 points 5 hours ago
The Aesir were descended from the Jotun, so there are certainly some... shared family traits... but the big difference between them is in their basic natures. The Jotun are... chaos... each one having only temporary connection to a domain / theme / aspect / power before moving on to something different. The Aesir, on the other hand, find their roles and stick to them, Odin becoming the all-father and staying such, and staying married to Frigg, ect...
Source: I'm an Asatruar, studying for priesthood. If you've any questions, ask away.
[–]Tarkanos 2 points3 points4 points 5 hours ago
Okay, if you're an Asatruar, then yeah, I definitely have questions.
How literally do you interpret the stories about the creation of the world?
[–]Rohasfin 0 points1 point2 points 3 hours ago
I'm going to assume that you intend the singular "you" and are asking only about my personal beliefs for this answer, so if you meant the plural version and were asking about Asatruar in general, let me know.
Personally, I am torn about how literally I should interpret the stories, about those that treat on the creation of things in particular. Are they the literal descriptions of events... certainly not, even in the best of cases. But, the idea of an uncaring universe being born at the intersections of cold, ordered matter and vibrant energy certainly appeals to what I know of physics. I should note... I know my knowledge of physics is very limited.
[–]Tarkanos 0 points1 point2 points 2 hours ago
Well, you could also try to describe what you believe most Asatruar believe about the question as well. But thank you for your answer. I did, originally, mean the singular you.
[–]420falilv 1 point2 points3 points 3 hours ago
You should do an AMA.
[–]Rohasfin 3 points4 points5 points 3 hours ago
As far as I've seen... life is an AMA.
[–]CODDE117 2 points3 points4 points 6 hours ago
I was like, oh look, a funny. Upvotes I wanna look at the comments! ..... Atheism?
[–]Grasswalker 1 point2 points3 points 7 hours ago
It's also been shamelessly reposted.
[–]little_elph 2 points3 points4 points 6 hours ago
I thought this was a "nose" crisis flow chart....I got excited because my nose is always in crisis
[–]dan1101 2 points3 points4 points 5 hours ago
So why can't they just kill Loki?
[–]jawhite 2 points3 points4 points 2 hours ago
It's not that easy. Hulk smashed him and he survived.
[–]dnshnd 0 points1 point2 points 15 minutes ago
Well, Loki actually does help the gods quite a bit; without him Odin wouldn't have his magical spear or eight legged horse, Thor wouldn't have his hammer, Frej wouldn't have his magical boat, Freja might've been forced to marry a giant on multiple occasions, etc. But he is also a giant dick, so they do finally bind Loki to a stone in a cave after it is revealed that he was responsible for Baldur's death. They also leave a snake above him whose venom drips down into his eyes, and Loki's violent thrashings against his bindings are the norse explanation for earthquakes. But Loki arguably has the last laugh, as he eventually breaks free and leads and army of undead against Asgard at the end of the world.
[–]niggertungmyanus 2 points3 points4 points 4 hours ago
Typical Low Key.
[–]adamtango 2 points3 points4 points 1 hour ago
Sitcom idea: Thor and Loki are forced to be roommates in Asgard. Pilot episode: Ice Giants destroy many buildings in Asgard before being stopped by Thor. Thor returns to his room to confront Loki. Thor: Loki, did you make the Ice Giants do this? Loki: No, brother. Thor: Lokiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii! Theme music starts. Title of show: The God Couple.
[–]ToastyRaichu 0 points1 point2 points 1 hour ago
I'd watch that show.
[–]Chumbaniya 1 point2 points3 points 5 hours ago
Please, somebody explain to me what a humorous chart about Norse mythology has to do with not believing in deities.
And then somebody explain how this got so many upvotes.
[–]Grasswalker 2 points3 points4 points 4 hours ago
Well you see...
Reposts get Karma.
[–]asdfghjkl92 2 points3 points4 points 4 hours ago
It's showing how silly the norse religion is, that nothing bad could possibly happen unless loki was the cause of it. How is that not relevant? Would showing the silliness of some other religion (lets say, christianity) be relevant? if yes, then so is this.
[–]LockedInTheCloset 1 point2 points3 points 4 hours ago
I've seen this so many times, on ifunny and /r/atheism. Come up with original content. Thank you.
[–]loki16 1 point2 points3 points 3 hours ago
i did not
[–]memercopter 1 point2 points3 points 3 hours ago
mischievous motherfucker.. fix that shit!
[–]montesleight 1 point2 points3 points 2 hours ago
Frickin Loki. Always starting some shit.
[–]18-32 1 point2 points3 points 1 hour ago
It's the stories I grew up with as a child.
[–]Gloria815 0 points1 point2 points 32 minutes ago
I thought I was in /r/marvel for a second there...
Why is this in /r/atheism??
[–]DZamora4550 -1 points0 points1 point 5 hours ago
fucking repost
[–]downvotedtodeath -2 points-1 points0 points 13 hours ago
Repost.
[–]DingDongSeven 1 point2 points3 points 6 hours ago
Inaccurate. Sometimes, Loki tricks dwarfs also. Blasphemer!
Considering how Scientology has made use of copyright law to "protect" their religion, I wonder how long it'll be till some Odinist sues Stan Lee over the tall-blonde vs. stout-ginger Thor issue?
[–]Gurusto 2 points3 points4 points 5 hours ago
Wanted to do it as a child. Then I got over it because any blasphemy is worth it if it in any way led to Beta Ray Bill.
Also having seen Madsen's homage to The Warriors Three before reading the marvel version left me rather confused when I started getting into Marvel.
[–]DingDongSeven 1 point2 points3 points 5 hours ago
Lord of the Rings was the first "Sword and sorcery"-style book I read, and I thought Tolkien was a damn hack: "Gandalf was a dwarf, damnit. Walking elf, dark elf, dwarf. Read the sodding Eddas, you ignorant gobshite!" :)
[–]eatmyboogersjerk -8 points-7 points-6 points 8 hours ago
So do you think that the viking civilization was a more prosperous one because of the nature of their religion, and if so did it make them more vicious and bloodthirsty? If it were only possible, do you think that the average "happiness quotient", whatever the hell that even means, would be higher for the vikings then for westernized atheists? If the suicide rate for vikings was drastically lower than that of atheistic peoples in western civilization, or whatever other good indicators of an ephemeral concept like happiness quotient, wouldn't it be better for the individual and its society to be devout rather than aggressively and sarcastically atheistic?
[–]Grindstone50k 7 points8 points9 points 6 hours ago
them more vicious and bloodthirsty?
They were actually primarily farmers and traders. Only a few actually when on raids, or vik (where we get the term viking). The Norse actually had a very successful civilzation, one that spread from North America to the Middle East, enhancing the global economy through trade and exploration. This was all before the Christian missionaries came and destroyed their culture.
Your ignorance is thick.
[–]IEngineerShtuff 0 points1 point2 points 8 hours ago
Totally.
[–]CrispyPudding 0 points1 point2 points 7 hours ago
no.
but wouldn't it be better for the individual and its society to be atheistic rather than aggressively and ignoratly theistic?
[–]Borgcube 0 points1 point2 points 6 hours ago
I don't think atheism is the only reason society is in its current state. Source: All the communist regimes.
[–]CrispyPudding 0 points1 point2 points 6 hours ago
the problem with communist regimes was not the ban of religion but the elevation of nationalism to a substitute religion. in the chinese communism, for example, mao was worshiped like jesus which made it impossible to question his decissions in public due to the wrath of the believers. even after he died the party could tell the people everything and claim that it would've been maos will.
atheism without substitue is an utopia because many people are not capable to live with the complexity of the world and need easy answeres. some people can only not kill if they can lable killing with "evil". but i think an atheistic society would just not have a lot of problems we have right now. and if there are social problems that have to be discussed, at least everybody has to come up with convincing arguments and can not claim his interpretation of magic book as the will of magic man that has to be followed for magic reasons.
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