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[–]ninjawaffle99 26 points27 points ago

This post isn't even a day old! Come on!

[–]missnarwhal 11 points12 points ago

Their outfits are an allusion to the women's rights/suffrage movement (and is probably protesting all the reproductive right debates going on currently)

[–]Norse_Ginger 4 points5 points ago

as a none-american, I don't get that. Feminism and womens movement were needed back in the day when women didn't have voting rights. But in 2012 they've passed men in special laws and privileges. What's left is the retarded religions that eveyone seems to hang on to.

Why not try to work out the diffrences in the law to make it equal for EVERYONE instead of making more special laws at the expense of others?

[–]VentusInsulae 3 points4 points ago

Believing that men and women are equals in the United States is laughable.

[–]Norse_Ginger 1 point2 points ago

Why is that?

[–]testdex 12 points13 points ago

Probably because VI believes that equality = equal outcomes, not equal rights.

[–]VentusInsulae -4 points-3 points ago

Spot on!

[–]testdex 6 points7 points ago

Funny you'd say that. I meant that as a negative thing.

Ensuring equal outcomes is, in my mind, and probably NG's, largely incompatible with freedom and equal rights.

[–]Lecks 4 points5 points ago

equal opportunity > equal outcome

[–]VentusInsulae -3 points-2 points ago

At any rate, gender should not be a variable in your potential outcome.

[–]testdex 1 point2 points ago

I agree. You shouldn't pay someone more or less based on their gender.

That does not preclude one gender being regularly paid more.

[–]VentusInsulae -3 points-2 points ago

At the very least you should recognize that if there is some disparity between the genders - or anything related to identity, really - on any level, there is probably a real reason for that, and that can and should be fixed.

[–]neayaa 1 point2 points ago

Well, American women apparently still need to fight for the right to get abortions (or many of them, depending on state law).

This goes beyond 'equal rights', because men have no fucking idea what it's like. (I'm a guy by the way)

[–]testdex 1 point2 points ago

It does "go beyond equal rights", in that it has nothing to do with equal rights. I believe in abortion, but if you take seriously the argument of the pro-life crowd, there is a legal and moral issue at hand.

As the law works in America today, women have stronger rights than men in deciding the fate of a fetus. I don't think there are many women (or men) out there campaigning for the right of a man to demand termination of a pregnancy he was responsible for. (there certainly are many campaigning for a man's right to declaim responsibility for the child if it's born. . . and I think it's a compelling argument)

[–]neayaa 3 points4 points ago

women have stronger rights than men in deciding the fate of a fetus.

Because it's attached to their body. With the biological makeup different in this way, an 'equal right' would be absurd.

This legal idea is just too simple for physical reality.

[–]testdex 2 points3 points ago

Yes. It would. I thought I made that point pretty clear when I said no one is campaigning for that equality. It's simply not an issue of equal rights -- is my point.

It's a question of whether a fetus has rights of its own. I come down on the side of "no" (up to a point), but I respect that it's a complicated question, and that the other side is not backward, sexist or stupid.

(There is a question of equal rights when it comes to responsibility for the child. As women can generally terminate the pregnancy without consent, thereby disowning future responsibility. Men are not permitted to make any legal decision to disown financial responsibility for an unborn child. I don't know what the best solution is, but I think it's an interesting legal dilemma.)

[–]missnarwhal 0 points1 point ago

I strongly agree with your argument, but I just wanted to point out one part:

Men are not permitted to make any legal decision to disown financial responsibility for an unborn child.

This is true, and an interesting dynamic I hadn't considered before (women can terminate rights, but men can't)...BUT enforcement on child support is so ridiculous that a shockingly high percentage goes unpaid in the US. In truth, a man could walk away from court ordered financial responsibility without a fear of retribution.

[–]testdex 0 points1 point ago

While a lot of it goes unpaid, and someone might get away from the payments, no one can walk away "without fear". Most especially a man of stable-to-comfortable means. I don't know if it's national or state-level legislation, but there are laws that enable a court to deduct income from a man's paycheck, or even put liens on a house.

If walking away were that easy, there wouldn't be the (exaggerated) meme in hip hop culture of women deliberately trying to get pregnant at the hands of wealthy men.

(edit to add: this is sorta the key topic that gets "men's rights" people up in arms. that and being denied visitation, sometimes because of an inability to pay child support.)

[–]missnarwhal 0 points1 point ago

Fair enough. While the burden of responsibility is, arguably still, for the most part, on the woman, men can be made examples of by the system. I guess a better point would be that a woman who sleeps around might never know who the father is and not be able to claim child support, while a man who sleeps around doesn't face the same consequences.

I have to add, however, that I am all for men's rights! It's just hard in a biased system to always be able to judge "fairness".

[–]missnarwhal 0 points1 point ago

Well, I have to agree with you - legally in America women have equal rights to men. But in practice? Nope. Closer than the early 1900s? Yes. But the protests of unfairness are certainly not obsolete. Any study will tell you that - look at wages, look at domestic responsibility, look at gender distribution in professions, hell, look at the way women are portrayed in films.

Now try again and tell me that feminism is no longer needed. Maybe you should examine WHY women have passed men in special laws and privileges - WHY they are necessary? WHAT makes them necessary? Isn't it troubling to you that a society in which rape is illegal still slut-shames women for what they wear, as if they are to blame for their rapist's crime?

Come on, you say you are non-American. But I firmly believe that there is no country out there that can say they have truly achieved equality. If you don't believe me, ask your friends, your sister, your mother, your female neighbor...do they feel equal to you? In practice, mind, not in law (which should be the same, but of course rarely is, sadly).

[–]fakecandy 2 points3 points ago

That would make her sign perfect.

[–]Mrbubbles07 13 points14 points ago

what are they protesting anyways?

[–]ValuableDan 5 points6 points ago

Demon rum

[–]Deadly_Lust 1 point2 points ago

No seriously, what are they protesting?

[–]SuperBicycleTony 2 points3 points ago

The fact that more men are enrolled in college, are paid more for the same job when you correct for life choices and receive more money from the government for healthcare.

Haha, just kidding. They're probably protesting because men are allowed a say in whether or not they become fathers and how they're always presumed to be the one-sided victim in cases of domestic violence.

Hoho, just pulling your chain. They're probably protesting how it's illegal for your insurers to charge women more for auto insurance when it's perfectly legal to discriminate over health insurance.

Tee-Hee, just having some fun with ya. They're probably protesting how women are disproportionately targeted by violent crime and are given harsher sentencing by the criminal justice system.

Seriously, though. We're still a long way from having true gender equality. Thank. God. They're fighting for it.

[–]testdex 0 points1 point ago

I'm pretty sure that I see what you did there.

I'm also pretty sure that plenty of readers won't.

[–]Deadly_Lust 0 points1 point ago

Oh, i see it now too.

[–]SuperBicycleTony 0 points1 point ago

I'm pretty sure the ones that won't would be really angry anyway.

[–]cgillett -1 points0 points ago

AIDS.

[–]cgillett -2 points-1 points ago

Slavery.

[–]thegreatchancho 2 points3 points ago

I don't get it. How is this funny?

[–]nayzoo 2 points3 points ago

Still trying to figure out why the microphone is so high.

[–]DCbusy 0 points1 point ago

I think its at normal height, just shes farther away making it look like its high.

[–]cmd_iii 0 points1 point ago

Maybe they're expecting Shaquille O'Neal to address the crowd later on.

[–]Shaysdays 2 points3 points ago

Well done, sister suffragette.

[–]BJgoldenshower -1 points0 points ago

Read this in Charlie Day's voice:)

[–]battlesmurf[!] 1 point2 points ago

Hilarious..

[–]andrewsmells 0 points1 point ago

Who the hell can actually down vote this??? It's both hilarious and sad at the same time!

[–]Bainemo -2 points-1 points ago

And here we have an example of someone who doesn't know when to give up

Spoiler alert: the answer is 1940

[–]Haggard213 -2 points-1 points ago

I can not believe youre not making a fucking sandwich right now

[–]24cal -3 points-2 points ago

In modern day women actually have more rights than men, so shut up with the sarcastic protest sign.

[–]missnarwhal -1 points0 points ago

False. While in law and on paper women have equal rights to men, in practice women are still sadly lagging.

[–]24cal 0 points1 point ago

If a woman accuses a man of rape she will win in court despite what the man says or even what the proof is...that shows that there is an inbalance between the sexes.

[–]missnarwhal 0 points1 point ago

Fine. But what does the woman get out of going to court? There may be compensation for emotional damages, but most likely the rapist gets a light sentence. Meanwhile, she has to face again the emotional trauma of the rape, have her story and her reputation called into question, and she has to face the person who made her feel these things.

Your point is that she is potentially falsely accusing the man. This may be true, but happens so infrequently that it's shit like that which gets media coverage. Meanwhile a majority of rapes go unreported and unpunished.

You're right. There is an imbalance between the sexes. But this isn't a war between sexes. Rape is, simply put, a crime against a human being that is disgusting, reproachable, and one hundred percent preventable.

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