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[–]ryanismean 17 points18 points ago

Er, I'm no iPhone defender--actually I kind of hate the iPhone--but the examples here demonstrate release dates, not patent dates.

[–]universl 4 points5 points ago

Also the release dates are kind of silly:

  • The first PDA with a grid of icons was the Newton.
  • The notification bar wasn't in question in any lawsuits, neither was slide to unlock or split keyboard or whatever.
  • The picture of the F700 is a lie, it was announced after the iPhone.
  • Siri wasn't invented by Apple is was part of a Darpa project long long before Xaio Bot or whatever. Apple just bought it.

That being said Apple's lawsuits are bad for everyone but Apple. The trade dress bit makes sense, but I don't think anyone is honestly confusing things for the iPhone.

[–]StargateGuy 2 points3 points ago

Everyone always seems to forget that the F700 was shown at a trade show several months before the iPhone announcement and launch. It was in R&D at the same time as the iPhone and launched after it.

[–]universl 0 points1 point ago

Which tradeshow was that? The earliest press mention of it is here:

http://www.engadget.com/2007/02/08/samsung-outdoes-itself-with-ultra-smart-f700/

[–]StargateGuy 0 points1 point ago

That was from its launch in Feb 2007. It was announced at Cebit 2006, though not actually demonstrated, working hardware, etc.

[–]universl 1 point2 points ago

Is there any evidence besides this jpg that it was at cebit in 2006?

[–]masterof80smetal[S] -2 points-1 points ago

I agree, but its ridiculous that the patent system allows someone to patent something they didn't invent, and then sue the creators. that's what bugs me.

[–]dfreir1 0 points1 point ago

That is not what the patent system does. If you can prove that someone else invented it you can invalidate a patent. The problem is that people don't understand what is being patented and how it is being infringed on.

[–]ryanismean -4 points-3 points ago

I don't mean to come off like a dick, but if you invent it and don't patent it, you kind of have it coming to you. Let this be a lesson to everyone that laws are serious business. If you create something, get the rights to it. A friend of mine wrote a song which was picked up by a Grammy award winning artist and put on their album which ended up winning the award. You know what he saw from that? $0. His fault, though. He didn't play by the rules. Shitty? Oh fuck yes! He deserves the cash for it, but he'll never see it because he didn't properly copyright the tune and register it with ASCAP and/or BMI.

edit: Oops, I just checked, and they didn't win the Grammy, they were just nominated for it; and it was for the album they released one year BEFORE the album with my friend's song on it. Next time I will look this all up before I post.

[–]nerdds 8 points9 points ago

The patent system is not supposed to allow patenting of prior art, so your point is bullshit. The rules were not being followed when Apple was granted those patents.

[–]ryanismean -2 points-1 points ago

Patent dates and release dates are not the same thing, dawg. If Apple patented something and Samsung rushed a product to market that violated those patents, they are... in violation. I rather think your point is bullshit. If someone can demonstrate legit prior art, then let them. So far, the courts seem to think it hasn't happened. Certainly I disagree with the court on a couple points, but all in all, if you don't patent your shit and someone else beats you to the patent office, that's your problem.

[–]mrgoldenbrown 3 points4 points ago

prior art doesn't need to be on the market. In fact, there doesn't even need to be a product. if something is obvious to an engineer in a field, it should not be patent-able. The current US patent system favors aggressive patenting because the provisions that let you challenge patents assume the patent examiners did a decent job, which they clearly don't. Also, the "courts" you are talking about are jurors with no technological or patent expertise. They have decided a variety of different things in apple vs samsung cases.

[–]ryanismean 1 point2 points ago

I don't disagree, but bitching about the system isn't helping. If you want to fix the patent system, then cool, fix it. Complaining that Company X made a product first is pointless. The patent date is the issue, not the release date. That's all I'm saying. I'm not arguing that the patent system isn't stupid.

[–]docpotterywood 6 points7 points ago

Yeah but he's dead now. 1point to Android

[–]go1den3ye 3 points4 points ago

PC won! (and by that I mean pancreatic cancer)

[–]hidden_munky 1 point2 points ago

dude if nintendo took this stance with sony over analog sticks....

gaming would be still in the 20th century

[–]go1den3ye 0 points1 point ago

how is this relevant to the joke? and doesn't that just support the fact that apple's lawsuit are ridiculous?! I'm genuinely asking

[–]hidden_munky 1 point2 points ago

yes

[–]go1den3ye 0 points1 point ago

Thanks for clearing that up!

[–]arglv 10 points11 points ago

As someone who owns both iOS and Android devices, they both are great platforms. The real shame here is that we are taking sides with either Apple or Samsung, Google, Motorola etc. when really they are all (mostly Apple though) only hurting the consumer, which is us.

[–]universl 2 points3 points ago

I agree absolutely. I love Windows phone and iOS. People start cheering for these things like they are sports teams... its weird.

[–]mrgoldenbrown 2 points3 points ago

I don't cheer for the products. I do jeer when Apple (and others) abuse the legal system in ways that hurt consumers, to benefit their bottom line.

[–]universl 1 point2 points ago

All of the tech companies are involved with these lawsuits. They really need to learn a lesson from the early years of the aviation industry which was stagnated by the patent system until Congress knocked some sense into them for the sake of national defence.

[–]CellularArrest 4 points5 points ago

And many other stuff...

[–]takoma -1 points0 points ago

Let it the fuck go.

[–]aMazingBanannas 0 points1 point ago

I will when Apple does.

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