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[–]LetsGo_Smokes 54 points55 points56 points 1 month ago
... smoking a cigarette.
[–]Brokengame 528 points529 points530 points 1 month ago
I don't understand why everyone on r/Trees seems to love him so much, don't you all understand he is more against us now than ever? When my friends have gotten arrested for possession, I've never thought "At least our President is such a chill guy! He's doing all he can to help the community which he was once a member of." Instead he shuts down dispensaries and continues the trend of increasing arrests.
This is not my presidENT, this is my presiDONT
[–]RiddimSystem 171 points172 points173 points 1 month ago
Agreed. Plus his term as president has damaged the medical marijuana industry waaaay more than Bush ever did. All the stores in L.A. were just raided and forced to close down and this guy won't even answer questions on the topic. Makes me sick.
[–]Gumby1108 97 points98 points99 points 1 month ago
cough cough vote libertarian cough
[–]chucklehead04 17 points18 points19 points 1 month ago
I'd smoke a bowl with Gary.
[–]MrDerekFTW 9 points10 points11 points 1 month ago
Amen to that.
[–]JCJen7 61 points62 points63 points 1 month ago
If I voted only on the status of marijuana legalization, maybe. However, as most libertarians refused to acknowledge, there are other parts of there platform. Getting rid of Roe V Wade, social security, Medicare, Medicaid, nearly getting rid of the Federal Reserve, a return to the gold-standard, etc.
Most of these things liberals (most people on here) do not agree with. Don't be a single-issue voter!
[–]Lachrymologist 49 points50 points51 points 1 month ago
Just because Ron Paul is loved by many Libertarians, and happens to be pro-life, does not mean that the Libertarian position is pro-life. Gary Johnson recognizes a woman's right to choice - being that, you know, her body belongs to her and all. Here is what is said in the Libertarian Party Platform:
1.4 Abortion Recognizing that abortion is a sensitive issue and that people can hold good-faith views on all sides, we believe that government should be kept out of the matter, leaving the question to each person for their conscientious consideration.
1.4 Abortion
Recognizing that abortion is a sensitive issue and that people can hold good-faith views on all sides, we believe that government should be kept out of the matter, leaving the question to each person for their conscientious consideration.
[–]JCJen7 17 points18 points19 points 1 month ago*
Fantastic point. I realized that I was mainly citing Ron Paul on Roe V Wade afterward.
Edit: Siting? Citing? Ahh fuck, Idk.
[–]Lachrymologist 1 point2 points3 points 1 month ago
The Abortion issue was a big sticking point for me with Ron Paul - which is why even if he had miraculously won the GOP nomination, I still would not have voted for him. If Libertarians didn't believe in the NAP, they'd probably burn me alive for saying that, but I have to vote for the person who BEST represents my positions. I agree with him on most other issues, but this was a big one. I can't blame most Liberals for not liking, or trusting Ron Paul on several issues. I like him better than most politicians, but to many people, that's not saying much.
[–]JCJen7 6 points7 points8 points 1 month ago
And his speech where he questions evolution, calling it "just a theory".
I mean, sure, the guy seems like a very honest politician, and I agree with a lot of the stuff he stands for. But there are things I fundamentally disagree with. Not because I am a tyrant, hate liberty, yadda yadda.
[–]Lachrymologist 2 points3 points4 points 1 month ago
I understand, totally, which is why I don't try and defend the guy too much. Everyone should be accountable for their actions. When a politician says something stupid, people are going to remember, and it is going to affect them in the polls. I accept evolution, but oddly, quite a few people STILL do not!
[–]Cael87 13 points14 points15 points 1 month ago
imo, it doesn't matter so much what a person's religious beliefs or lack thereof are, but rather where he stands in terms of actual policy. I found out on isidewith.com that I'm actually closer to GJ than RP in my stances on our major issues at the moment... Johnson believes in evolution unlike Paul, but that was one thing I could care less about.
GJ is getting my vote because of the REAL big issues in my mind: NDAA, Medicinal Marijuana Raids in states where it's been voted in legal, Indefinite detention of American citizens, The Patriot Act, Auditing the Fed fully and possibly reforming/dismantling it as it is now, ending the war in Afghanistan, ending the American Empire, etc.
The Democrats and Republicans are so heavily invested into by the corporations that I can't stand to even look at them anymore... every time a candidate stands up for what he believes is right and denies money from these people he is alienated and completely torn apart by his compatriots. I want an Honest Politician in office, and haven't had the option to pick one from the Republicans or Democrats for a while now. I'm fed up with being fed lies and being told that I have to pick the 'lesser of two evils'. I want a Candidate who can stand on principal and I want one that can being a different view to the white house without having to wear Goldman-Sachs tinted sunglasses to see the world through.
But that's just... like... my opinion, man
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[–]JCJen7 1 point2 points3 points 1 month ago
Nononono they were not scientific open-mindedness. He sat at a podium and rejected that evolution ever happened. "I don't accept it".
I'm aware it is simply a theory, but the phrase "just a theory" has a certain connotation to it. As I believe Dawkins pointed out, it is only a theory that the moon is smaller than the earth.
[–]Four-FingeredFist 0 points1 point2 points 1 month ago
Lachrymologist.
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[–]the_blackfish 1 point2 points3 points 1 month ago
If Libertarians didn't believe in the NAP, they'd probably burn me alive for saying that, but I have to vote for the person who BEST represents my positions.
Represents you how, exactly? Their proclaimed views, or voting history?
Both should be taken into consideration, leaning more heavily on voting history. Campaign promises should definitely be taken with a grain of salt, however.
[–]dinklebob 0 points1 point2 points 1 month ago
Always cite your sources or the university will issue a citation.
[–]iTumor 5 points6 points7 points 1 month ago
Agreed! I still believe that there's no chance for a third-party victory, but giving anyone on the ballot who isn't blue/red a larger voice is a step in the right direction. I encourage anyone who's reading this to vote third party if you want to vote against the drug war. There are a few decent candidates to choose from based on your other beliefs. Just my opinion.
[–]Pancake_Bucket 9 points10 points11 points 1 month ago
Gary Johnson encompasses many things that I stand behind, not just the mary jane.
[–]DocSporky510 4 points5 points6 points 1 month ago
Auditing the fed is one of the few right wing ideas I agree with. If any of the things the fed has been accused of are true (giving blank checks to Goldman Sachs on an almost daily basis for example), you'd see where they were coming from. If you care about civil liberties (including smoking weed), don't vote for Obama. The ACLU rated all the major presidential candidates in terms of support of civil liberties, and Libertarian Gary Johnson outscored Obama in every category except abortion. In short, the PresidENT is no friENT of mine
[–]JCJen7 2 points3 points4 points 1 month ago
Just a quick look at this graph.
Johnson did not outscore Obama in
Sorry, I was a bit misleading. There wasn't any data for Johnson on voter suppression (considering he's a 3rd party candidate, I doubt he's for it) and he matched Obama's score on Don't Ask Don't Tell (he was for repealing it) and ending torture (although Obama has kept Guantanamo open in defiance of one of his campaign promises from 2008) and scored less than Obama on abortion, which I mentioned. If Johnson isn't your style, I present for your consideration Green Party candidate Jill Stein
Yes, I quite like her. Disagree with a few things. Same with Rocky Anderson.
[–]DocSporky510 0 points1 point2 points 1 month ago
Rocky is also a GGG
[–]Brokengame 4 points5 points6 points 1 month ago
As for overturning Roe V. Wade, that was a belief held by Ron Paul; Gary Johnson on the other hand will allow 1st trimester abortions. http://www.garyjohnson2012.com/issues/civil-liberties
Backing our economy with something that isn't promises and debt is a bad thing? Even as such he does not call for an immediate abolishing, he at this time only looks to 'audit' the federal reserve so that for the first time the American populous can actually see what is happening with our money. Should it be determined to be an unresolved system I believe it would then be abolished. http://www.garyjohnson2012.com/issues/spending-and-the-deficit
As for social security they do not look to get rid of Social Security, they only look to give people the option to opt out of it, and invest your money how you would see fit. Be it a savings account(which would get you more money than SS could provide) for retiring or other means. http://www.lp.org/issues/social-security
We are not single-issue voters.
I wasn't accusing you of being a single issue voter. I was simply saying that there are many things that an otherwise liberal website will disagree on.
I do believe that going to the gold-standard would be a huge negative for this country. And, as for the Federal Reserve. Did Ron Paul not write "End The Fed"?
As for Social Security, it has been an incredibly successful system in most people's opinions, and allowing you to opt out of it would put huge stress on the program.
[–]pauly_pants 1 point2 points3 points 1 month ago
How would ending fiat currency be a bad thing?
[–]JCJen7 0 points1 point2 points 1 month ago
Some of the greatest economic minds in history have had highly reported debates on this very issue. Right now, I am at about a [4], and we're on r/trees. I am really not trying to discuss my opinion on the matter.
[–]pauly_pants 0 points1 point2 points 1 month ago
It's okay. At least we can agree that weed is awesome. But seriously, fiat currency is bad, mmmkay?
I disagree. Mmmkay?
There are definitely a lot of "classical liberals" (libertarians) on this site. But take a good look at anything that has ever been on /r/politics, and this site is decidedly liberal. Modern liberal.
[–]MrDerekFTW 1 point2 points3 points 1 month ago*
But it's not just marijuana. It's ALL civil rights. I promise you that Gary Johnson will do more for civil rights and individual liberties than any democratic president would--especially Obama.
His economic policy does seem ridiculous to the liberal minded Reddit, but it works! Gary vetoed more policy while he was Governor of New Mexico than any other politician (that's essentially all he could do to make his economic policy a reality), and he left his state better off for it. Plus we simply can't afford to be the welfare state right now. Either we abolish all those things, or we have an economic collapse when countries and corporations start asking us to pay our debts. Keep in mind that neither a republican or a democrat has been able to balance our budget, and stop the debt!
Just be Libertarian this ONE TIME, and I promise you a better America in four years than either Obama or Romney is capable of.
EDIT: Clarified econ stuff.
[–]dafuq_dude 0 points1 point2 points 1 month ago
Didn't Clinton balance the budget?
[–]mavriksfan11 9 points10 points11 points 1 month ago
Why isn't there a common sense party? One that isn't going to "abolish the FED" and still thinks that our drug policy needs to be changed?
Why can't people be for all the good things and against all the bad things? Why is everyone crazy
[–]MrDerekFTW 5 points6 points7 points 1 month ago
Because the "good things" and the "bad things" are terribly, terribly subjective.
The only person who could possibly be for all the good, and none of the bad, is YOU.
[–]mavriksfan11 3 points4 points5 points 1 month ago
Oh, shut up with your reason and logic. I'm ranting here!
[–]MrDerekFTW 1 point2 points3 points 1 month ago
I feel that a a rant every once in a while is good for ones health... Same with a nice, fat bowl :)
[–]I_may_be_crazy 8 points9 points10 points 1 month ago
There is. It's called the Green Party. www.gp.org
[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 1 month ago
Unfortunately neither the Green Party nor the Libertarian Party are going to win any federal office. The republic's election system is death by design.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s7tWHJfhiyo
[–]I_may_be_crazy 4 points5 points6 points 1 month ago
cough cough cough cough vote Green cough cough
[–]MrDerekFTW 7 points8 points9 points 1 month ago
Green party has no chance this election; the only three parties on the ballot in all 50 states are Republican, Democrat, and Libertarian. The only third party with a chance of making a splash this election is the Libertarian party.
However, I have never been one to endorse voting for a candidate out of a fear of throwing away your vote. So if you really agree with the Greens, then vote on your conscience.
Thank you. I get shit from my liberal friends for not voting Democrat, because they see it as a vote for the Republicans, but that sort of thinking is how the Democrats get all their votes. It's the "their opponent is so much worse" effect that allows the tyranny of the two party system to continue. The Democrats are just as bad as the Republicans...just the Republicans at least look you in the eye while they fuck you.
Much, much better :D
[–]ohheyitsben 0 points1 point2 points 1 month ago
Nah man, Green Party.
[–]trevmann83 0 points1 point2 points 1 month ago
JESUS FOR THE LOVE OF GOD SOMEONE FINALLY SAID IT!!!!! RON PAUL!!! GARY JOHNSON!! OPEN UP YOUR EYES ENTS! IT WILL NEVER HAPPEN WITHOUT THE LIBERTARIANS!! VOTE GARY JOHNSON AND MAKE A DIFFERENCE.
[–]callmeweed 0 points1 point2 points 1 month ago
nice hit dude.
[–]Theballscratcher 3 points4 points5 points 1 month ago*
I agree that Obama has not been a good president for stoners. At the same time though, it really bugs me when people complain against L.A. dispensaries getting shut down when they are also very heavy into supporting the legitimate medical movement. So many of those dispensaries (not all) are hurting the MEDICAL marijuana movement as people are just complaining about some fake anxiety issue to get their card. I have no idea about the details of what exactly has been going down in LA for the past few years since i live on the east coast but i fully support shutting down dispensaries that aren't actually catering to people who need the weed, but just a bunch of stoners who pretended to have back pain. those dispensaries make the medical marijuana movement look like a joke and do a lot to prevent the movement from appealing to the ignorant. If people want stability in LA's dispensary business they need to stop abusing it. If i am wrong and they have been shutting down countless legitimate medical dispensaries anyone feel free to correct me.
[–]KifKif 2 points3 points4 points 1 month ago
You're absolutely right. In any case, the MMJ ban in Los Angeles has nothing, zip, nada to do with the Feds or Obama, it's a local city decision.
And as I said you're right, LA was supposed to have ~150 dispensaries, and now we have 1000+. We need regulation and a way to shut down the crappy and illegitimate ones.
Unfortunately the recent ban is banning everyone, good and bad, that's why it must be stopped immediately. But the referendum will probably pass at the end of the month stopping the ban, and the organizations pushing for this will propose a set of regulations to allow the ~150 original good dispensaries to remain open.
[–]wrestler145 30 points31 points32 points 1 month ago
Thank you. He's not an Ent. He's a politician who doesn't give half a fuck about any of the social costs of marijuana prohibition, and brushes off any questions about legalization as juvenile. Having smoked weed in the past doesn't make you an Ent.
[–]Animated_Superhero 39 points40 points41 points 1 month ago
This.^
If he was caught nowadays with the laws in place he would not be President Barack Obama, he would be Barack the criminal. His life would have been ruined. For some reason it makes him "cool" that he broke laws which today he won't even acknowledge.
[–]nyxin 22 points23 points24 points 1 month ago
Oh no. That's the worst part of this. He acknowledges that he "smoked a little pot and did a little blow" and yet still slams the hammer down on lawful (by the state) dispensaries.
[–]TheGhostofWoodyAllen 1 point2 points3 points 1 month ago
Yeah, and all these pictures of him smoking are of cigarettes and tobacco smoke anyway.
[–]washablememe 1 point2 points3 points 1 month ago
Strategy. He's already thought of by some conservatives as (and I'm using a direct quote) an "uppidy nigger"... he's already become the most important president of the LGBT civil rights movement by siding with gay marriage... he wants a second term... and you expect him to stick his neck out by being outwardly FOR this highly controversial issue before the election?
[–]Brokengame 0 points1 point2 points 1 month ago
I want to believe that if he does get re-elected that he'll actually do something, but I can't base my vote upon speculation. So why wasn't he trying to do these things when he first had the opportunity? I see this as important because if he cares more about being president for 4 more years than he does making America a better place, can I really say that he's the right man for the job? Did he really value letting our country slip for 4 years only to secure his position for the next 4 instead of doing what his elected platform was in the first place?
Can I really say that a man who puts himself before his country should be the leader of it?
[–]rozzzly 0 points1 point2 points 1 month ago
He might not have ordered the DEA to crackdown, but his negligence is just as bad. Right now he could tell the DEA and tell them drop everything on weed and focus on real drugs. However he won't because he is too much of a pussy and is afraid of what the republicans will say if he even looked soft on drugs.
[–]whoareyouagain 4 points5 points6 points 1 month ago
But how much say does the President really have with these sorts of issues? I mean, isn't there the slight possibility that there's another "evil-force" with a hell of a lot more money, and power than our President, making all the calls, and he's merely the guy they have to point the finger to when it comes down to it? I'm just hypothesizing.
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[–]BordahPatrol 17 points18 points19 points 1 month ago
He hasn't stopped the states because he hasn't got the power to. Educate yourselves, ents!
Marijuana legalization has been over the 50 percentile mark for a few years now, so although users may not be the majority, prohibitionists are now the minority.
If you want to debate further, I love politics and don't mind a friendly argument. :)
[–]powdertoastman25 15 points16 points17 points 1 month ago
Federally m/j is illegal his administration is against m/j. Eric holder is head of the justice department why is it that since Obama put him in that position there has been a increase of federal busts on medical facilities. Why is it that not one person related to the subprime mortgage collapse has went to jail or is tried. Its his administration he is suppose to be the executive "leader".
Keep in mind though, that when marijuana legalization has come up on state-to-state basis, it usually gets rejected. Turns out, stoners/prohibitionists don't vote enough.
The problem is that he should really stop trying to please everyone. He keeps moving to the right to try and win over Republicans (who aren't going to vote for him because he's black. There, I said it). As BordahPatrol's post points out, marijuana legalization isn't nearly as controversial as it used to be. He could come out in favor and not lose much support (if any). I guess the reason I'm not voting for him is that I think throwing people in prison and ruining their lives for something you yourself did is pretty dickish (among other reasons, click on my user name if you're curious, I've been giving variations of this rant ever since his AMA)
[–]KifKif 1 point2 points3 points 1 month ago
I hope that in his second term he moves more towards "doing what I really want" instead of pandering to both sides of the aisle like he has the past 4 years.
I'm not sure why you would think that, he hasn't done anything over the past 4 years that indicates he will
[–]wrestler145 0 points1 point2 points 1 month ago
What "other things" has he done, exactly, which make you endorse him?
[–]wrestler145 1 point2 points3 points 1 month ago
I agree one part of what you said - It's great that he repealed Don't Ask Don't Tell, and even better that he's openly "changed his mind" on the issue of gay marriage.
Now here's my "negatives" list -
1) You say that Obama "ended the war in Iraq." Well, he actually followed President Bush's timetable.
From the 2008 Status of Forces Agreement, "All the United States Forces shall withdraw from all Iraqi territory no later than December 31, 2011."
To top it all off, while the U.S. troops have left from Iraq, we left behind thousands of private military contractors with automatic weapons and armed helicopters. And that's just the stuff they're willing to tell us about. And for those who say, "Well, they aren't going to be fighting anybody, they're just bodyguards for diplomats," - in Afghanistan in 2011, contractor deaths exceeded those of American troops.
2) While Obama was "ending" the Iraq war, he was also pretty busy conducting covert one in Yemen. These drone attacks are have killed at least 500 people in Yemen, up to 8% of those being innocent victims. "Of these deaths, 99% occurred during Obama's presidency."
Jeremy Scahill, who reported for NPR on Yemeni affairs, has done two scathing reports (1, 2) on Obama's actions in Yemen. In his NPR spot which I can't find right now, he shows that the reality is much worse - we are giving the Yemeni government money in return for allowing us to do these drone strikes. They are using this money to fund a personal army for the anti-democracy government. What's more, they are gaming the system by allowing terrorists to operate within their country because it justifies the U.S. paying them to do drone strikes.
3) Obama's justification for our involvement in Libya. We took a nearly secular country and we created a situation where Sharia law is a "Fundamental source" of legislation.. I love this quote -
"Does anyone honestly think jihadists fought to overthrow Gaddafi to replace it with a secular state? This isn't to say that jihadists won't accept our help. They're perfectly fine if NATO air power can help bring about an Islamic fundamentalist state in Libya. Just don't expect them to show any gratitude for it."
4) Further driving up the U.S. debt by $5,000,000,000,000 (yes that's five trillion dollars). Certainly a portion of that rolls over from Bush, but I don't think people realize how much of a problem this is. Sure, we are now able to get extremely low-interest loans from the capital market because of the idea that the U.S. will never default on its obligations. But this will not last. We were in the same position Greece is currently in, except we had the luxury of ballooning our balance sheets instead of being forced to adopt austerity. When the balance of power changes internationally, and the U.S. does not have the purchasing power it used to, what is to stop China from devaluing the dollar by flooding the market with billions is has stockpiled? We don't have the money to pay our debts. Do you have $45,000 sitting around? 'Cause that's how much you owe thanks to our government.
5) Increasing raids on medical marijuana after stating explicitly he would not do so as has been discussed ad nauseum here.
6) The fact that we are gearing up, no matter who wins the election, for more conflict in Syria, Iran, and anywhere else we can position ourselves to keep the U.S. dollar important internationally.
7) By the way, I wouldn't mind seeing some federal legislation that would make it illegal for States to deny marriage based on sexual orientation.
I'm all about people getting along in spite of having different opinions.
However, I do feel like your response is a non-answer. Which is fine if you just don't care about my points, but I did put a lot of time into that post.
You say there are "plenty of things" you don't agree with - does that include the list of things I mentioned? In that case, in spite of that whole list, you still support Obama on some vague statements he made about supporting gay rights?
That sounds exactly to me like a wealthy person saying, "Well, I'm voting for Romney because it will be beneficial to me financially." That's an absurd statement to me, but it's equally absurd to vote for somebody based on the fact that they support "your lifestyle" in spite of knowing that they are ruining (and taking) the lives of those who can't speak up for themselves.
With all that said, much respect and I genuinely would like to know your thoughts on the subject. I don't mean any of that with hostility, just an academic curiosity.
[–]colecheerio 7 points8 points9 points 1 month ago
http://whatthefuckhasobamadonesofar.com/
[–]kelmanza -1 points0 points1 point 1 month ago
A large majority of people are in favor of medical marijuana, and an even larger majority are opposed to federal interference with state laws allowing for use of medicinal marijuana (including candidate Obama). You need to rethink your views on Obama rather than do somersaults to defend him. You can still vote for him and not support him, but its unhealthy and part of a mindless group think to try to force yourself to look at him in an overwhelmingly positive way no matter what because you are uncomfortable with a gray world.
[–]kelmanza 0 points1 point2 points 1 month ago
I'll prolly vote for him, but his hypocritical and dishonest behavior on this important issue is beyond reproach and would require any decent person to change their opinion of him.
[–]AccusationsGW 0 points1 point2 points 1 month ago
Ending up in jail, losing your job and having a felony conviction, might just change your mind on the subject.
Is that only acceptable when it happens to people besides you?
[–]stillsmilin[S] 0 points1 point2 points 1 month ago
Move to massachusetts-problem solved!
[–]apteryx_274 1 point2 points3 points 1 month ago
I agree, there's plenty of stuff I agree with Obama on, and I'm not going to throw that away because during an Election Year he's not going to take a stand on MJ. Clearly, if he wanted to shut down most of the MMJ by directing the AG to do so, he could. President Obama is a Middle-Ground Center-Left politician who happens to have been a member of our community when he was younger. Politically, to get the most votes he possibly can, he HAS to take an anti-mj position, or they will drag him over the coals over being a "pothead" which is the only reason he has been so cold on the issue, and you're right, while ~45-60% of people in the US have smoked weed, the number of active users is more like 15%. Obama isn't the hero we deserve, but he will keep the forces of evil from destroying the momentum we have at this point. I guarantee a Romney/Ryan presidency would shut down every dispensary in California in the first 2 years.
Right on! I support Obama and still support Occupy, Ron Paul, Legalization, etc. and I see it the same way, if you don't make the Better Choice and support a candidate who can win, then you're giving a vote to the guy you really disagree with. It's about making a difference, we can always argue and amend things after the Election, but the system makes it a winner-takes-all event. Things are good right now when it comes to Trees, we have decriminalization in several states, legalization pending in a couple, and Medical in a dozen or so. Of course, we survived Bush II, but he was a lightweight on some social issues compared to Romney, and what people don't seem to get is that Romney is WORSE than Bush II, in his position on Trees(telling the mmj patient in a wheelchair that 'synthetic mj' or marinol is just as good). When it comes to Drug Policy, Romney could set the country back 4-8 years at least. The day after the election, everyone can go out campaigning for Ron Paul or Ralph Nader or whoever, but as we learned in 2000, you can't take this shit for granted!
[–]bashfulpanda 3 points4 points5 points 1 month ago
Honestly. Can the mods please remove this? It's a disgusting misrepresentation of his policies.
[–]jpr9479 1 point2 points3 points 1 month ago
Polls show that only 50ish% of Americans are prolegalization, and even then, most are not single issue voters. It's a popular idea, but not one that can get you elected, especially when you've already got democrats, no question (lets face it, Romney just sucks as a candidate) and you're trying to get some republicans to jump party lines, most of whom think that trees are Satan's plant. We might see some interesting things happen if a) a house and senate are voted in that won't actually filibuster something just because they don't like the color of the paper and b) he doesn't have to worry about reelection.
[–]HerbToker 0 points1 point2 points 1 month ago
I would love to know the stuff he was saying when he was with his Choom gang as well. No doubt that when he was toking it up with them he was going (just like most of us might have at least once) "If I was president I would fucking legalize this stuff man" while Peter Tosh - Legalize it is playing over the speakers in the VW van.
[–]happyblender 1 point2 points3 points 1 month ago
Other than this I agree with him on most topics. It sucks.
[–]glynn11 1 point2 points3 points 1 month ago
amen.
[–]ion-tom -1 points0 points1 point 1 month ago
Wait until second term.
[–]RuafaolGaiscioch 0 points1 point2 points 1 month ago
Most predictable top comment ever. True, of course, but predictable.
[–]PandamoniumExpress 3 points4 points5 points 1 month ago
Couldn't have said it better myself.
[–]gumbogogo 1 point2 points3 points 1 month ago
I'm not the biggest Obama fan, but you have to realize that election day is coming up soon and he wants votes. There are many more people who are against marijuana than there are for it. It makes sense I guess.
[–]NothingButLoveForAll 6 points7 points8 points 1 month ago
No sir/ma'am, over 50% of Americans think it should be legalized. In polls taken by big wig public opinion groups that have no ties to pro-cannabis organizations!
[–]ringberar -1 points0 points1 point 1 month ago
obama makes me BARF
[–]DJRIPPED -1 points0 points1 point 1 month ago
Exactly.
[–]skeptix 59 points60 points61 points 1 month ago
Promised not to go after medical marijuana.
Went after medical marijuana.
Held an AMA.
Ignored questions related to marijuana.
[–]deltaindia 28 points29 points30 points 1 month ago
He's going up for reelection, of course he's not gonna answer anything too controversal
[–]skeptix 16 points17 points18 points 1 month ago
My first point is what I really care about.
[–]mericafuckyea 1 point2 points3 points 1 month ago
He's not going after medical marijuana the DEA is!!! That's what you don't get! Obama isn't in some room telling officials they should close down the store on 22nd and 31st or whatever. It's the DEA making the calls
[–]skeptix 2 points3 points4 points 1 month ago
Obama has oversight and sets the agenda. He does have the ability to halt all DEA activity against medical marijuana.
[–]robalexander 0 points1 point2 points 1 month ago
He only answered 10 questions and the site was DDoSing itself. Mr. President, I'll give you that, but you better shape up, ya hear?
[–]themastersalmon 79 points80 points81 points 1 month ago
So the answer is let Romney win? You might not be happy with Obama but at least if congress passes a federal law on legalization he won't veto it. Romney on the other hand would veto it in a second.
[–]entillthedeathofme 11 points12 points13 points 1 month ago
Personally I don't support either candidate, but holding Obama up on a pedestal as a member of our community when he won't answer drug war questions on his AMA and under him the feds raid dispensaries is ridiculous.
[–]sENTual 47 points48 points49 points 1 month ago
Vote Gary Johnson.
[–]highpressuresodium 9 points10 points11 points 1 month ago
you know there are more than 2 people running for president, right?
[–]themastersalmon 10 points11 points12 points 1 month ago
Exactly, just keep toking and rock the vote.
[–]GoKickYourself 1 point2 points3 points 1 month ago
I am just an ignorant dude; what does it mean to be pansexual?
[–]GoKickYourself 0 points1 point2 points 1 month ago
Interesting... TIL!
[–]Demotic 0 points1 point2 points 1 month ago
To this date i can't grasp the real difference between Bi-Sexual and pan-Sexual. No matter what you identify yourself deep down you still have a gender. So why not just call yourself Bi?
[–]SabreEye 2 points3 points4 points 1 month ago
congress passes a federal law on legalization
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA - - URGH, ACHK chokes and coughs for a bit - - HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.
Yeah, no.
[–]Koreakat -1 points0 points1 point 1 month ago
Yes please
[–]NotTheDude 0 points1 point2 points 1 month ago
Really?
What are the winning powerball numbers for this Saturday?
[–]Coyle 17 points18 points19 points 1 month ago
Pretty sure that is cigarette smoke
[–][deleted] 12 points13 points14 points 1 month ago
Fuck that, no. He's a hypocrite who smoked weed and then turned around and cracked down on it and it's users
[–]GandolfDaGreen 3 points4 points5 points 1 month ago
or a robot thats designed just like obama looked when he was younger
[–]I_am_Kyle 4 points5 points6 points 1 month ago
more like the presihypocrite
[–]gay4lays 12 points13 points14 points 1 month ago
Regardless of how you feel about him, you got to admit he looks like one cool motherfucker in this pic.
[–]paiyrx 0 points1 point2 points 1 month ago
Heh.
[–]stillsmilin[S] 18 points19 points20 points 1 month ago
I like to think that Obamas opposition to weed is strictly political. He gets so much flak from republicans, probably racist republicans, for everything he does - could you imagine if he was pro-marijuana? He would never get a second term.. I hope that his stance will change after he is elected for a second term.
[–]skeptix 15 points16 points17 points 1 month ago
Lots of people like wishful thinking. However, it is detrimental to be so politically naive. If change is to occur, we need to recognize how bad things are.
[–]Pha3drus 1 point2 points3 points 1 month ago
Why do you think that Obama would change his politics to appease Republicans? That doesn't make any sense, and I'm pretty sure that's a personal theory. He would do it in his second term if he was going to do it, but the real reason he is not is money. There are many industries that would be hurt by the legalization of marijuana, and that is why it is politically a bad move.
[–]skeptix 0 points1 point2 points 1 month ago
I didn't suggest he would change his policies to appease Republicans.
You don't have to tell me why he won't initiate marijuana legalization, I know why. What I would suggest is that what is politically smart is morally abhorrent.
More importantly is my criticism against his broken promises. He promised not to go after medical marijuana, he went after medical marijuana. He promised to close Guantanamo, he did not close Guantanamo.
He is a smart politician, and that is a large part of why he is a morally inferior scumbag.
[–]Pha3drus 0 points1 point2 points 1 month ago
I meant to reply to the comment above yours.
[–]LarryBURRd 3 points4 points5 points 1 month ago
Obama obviously wants it to be legal, the man smoked it regularly during one of the most crucial developing periods of his ideology, college and grad school. He wants to make it legal, but he also wants to be a good PresidENT; which means he can't just commit political suicide before the most important vote of his career, and probably a lot of our lives, if he wants to have meaningful impact by the end of his era. In my opinion it will be legal soon, but we've gone this long with it being illegal, there's no reason to hand the presidency away over it.
[–]wjacksont 3 points4 points5 points 1 month ago
Maybe he can take some more risks in his second term (knock on wood).
Hopefully. Legalization would fight crime, help medical patients, lower government spending, increase tax revenue, create jobs, and most importantly of all it would end this pointless attack on personal freedom. I probably missed a few things too.
I wish a politician would step up and proclaim that it would solve way more problems than it causes, because it really would.
[–]RollerRagerMD 3 points4 points5 points 1 month ago
A few (notably Ron Paul and Gary Johnson) have.
Yes, those are just a few presidential candidates, and if you don't want right wing economic policies there's also Jill Stein with the Green Party. None of them will win though and I don't support them, just the Green Party has the best policies with at least a little spotlight in my opinion.
[–]wjacksont 1 point2 points3 points 1 month ago
Love the username.
[–]patchbag 0 points1 point2 points 1 month ago
If you are right, I will happily be wrong.
[–]Cadaverlanche 2 points3 points4 points 1 month ago
I'd like to think that his insistence on renewing the Patriot Act, allowing the indefinite detention of American citizens, and expanding the warrantless wiretapping police state was strictly political as well. Maybe his stance will change once he gets his second term.
[–]MrDerekFTW 0 points1 point2 points 1 month ago
Sorry if I don't want a president who refuses to do what's right because it's an election year.
[–]LennyPalmer 1 point2 points3 points 1 month ago
Then he is a coward. I'm sick of hearing this defence of Obama: "He only advocates and advances a totalitarian agenda because it's politically advantageous." How the fuck does that make it acceptable? It's okay if he sells out a severely disenfranchised and subjugated group of people, provided he's only doing it for the sake of his career?
I take very great offence at the notion that the PRESIDENT of a world superpower should only stand up to totalitarianism if he has something to gain from it; political capital, votes, a book deal, whatever. Portugal has decriminalized all drugs; this is a far greater step than marijuana, and by a significantly less powerful government. If minor Portuguese politicians can advocate more progressive policies, then the notion that the most powerful man in the world is simply incapable of it is utterly absurd.
He's a drug warrior so that republicans will like him more?
How noble.
[–]wepudsax 2 points3 points4 points 1 month ago
I mean, all politics aside (which I know is completely impossible right now), its a pretty cool picture of the most powerful man in the world enjoying some trees.
[–]enigmatik58 8 points9 points10 points 1 month ago
Not MY president. Y'all keep worshipping the ground he walks on while he refuses to even discuss mmj and the federal raids keep happening on dispensaries country wide. Who cares if he used to toke a little? He's fucking up now and you shouldn't support his arrogance.
I know for a FACT that most of these backwards assed conservatives down here would lose their collective minds if Obama came out in support of legalization.
These "backwards ass conservatives" who would absolutely lose their shit at the idea of a black man legalizing weed would absolutely not vote for Obama under any circumstance.
Your argument is utterly invalid. He can't use his common sense because people who already don't like him and won't vote for him might not like him or vote for him? What the fuck kind of mental gymnastics does it take for this to be an acceptable justification for the expansion of a totalitarian agenda?
[–]LennyPalmer 0 points1 point2 points 1 month ago
I'm sorry, but if it isn't about votes, then what was it you were implying? He can't do anything about it because then the Republicans would be mean to him?
The raids on medical marijuana dispensaries are performed by the DEA, which he has direct and unilateral control of. He can stop them in an instant, he simply doesn't want to.
Not that I disagree, but you have no reason to assume that I, or anyone else here, isn't pissed at Congress, as well. You have literally no basis for believing that we're concerned solely with the president.
The fact is that this thread is specifically about Obama, and moreover paints him as being pro-marijuana, which is patently false. If this isn't the relevant place to discuss Obama's marijuana stance (on a marijuana forum, on a post about him being a marijuana smoker), then I don't know where is.
[–]Poffertje -1 points0 points1 point 1 month ago
I was thinking, because he keeps quiet, he's not seen as being opposed or against weed per se. In his second term, he can pretty much say what and do what he wants. He really needs at least two terms to get all that shit he promised done. What if it's strategy? Obamacare first, legalization second? Come on, man. We need a little hope in this bleak world.
[–]ILaikspace 2 points3 points4 points 1 month ago
His nick name back then used to be Barack O'ganja'
[–]DivineLlama 4 points5 points6 points 1 month ago
Here's the way I see it, I could be wrong. When Barack started doing it, he probaly enjoyed it. But after( I assum he did it in high school and/or college) years of doing, his face in this picture is asking him self "why am I doing this? I'm better than this". I'm guessing he probaly starting smoke a lot more in college and his grades were slippin, so he thinks that when you start smokin more and more that when you first started, you may fall into an addiction and your grades (if in school) will start slippin causing you to fail.
I'm really high so don't downvote me on purpose o.o
[–]mreylain 5 points6 points7 points 1 month ago
This is how I just saw this at a [4], bear with me.. More often than not bros aren't taking pictures of other bros, you know? So this suggests that a female took this picture of Obama. Add to that the fact that most girls usually don't take portrait pictures like this unless there are some 'love interests' at play. So when you take the sum of these posabilities...basically Obama is just tryin to look harder than a mufucka in this instance for a girl he's into.
Tl;dr - Obama leanin' like a pimp!
[–]DivineLlama 2 points3 points4 points 1 month ago
Haah nice, I guess they downvoted me and upvoted you
[–]mreylain 1 point2 points3 points 1 month ago
Put your h8r blockers on and have an uptoke! =)
[–]DivineLlama 1 point2 points3 points 1 month ago
Aaaannnnd my upvotes are gone
[–]4channeling 1 point2 points3 points 1 month ago*
I think that it is shortly after the hit and he is enjoying the creep.
[–]DivineLlama 0 points1 point2 points 1 month ago
Ahah maybe, but that's why I said " I could be wrong" but his face does have a look of concern
dude, you got it bad.
I dont quite understand
[–]MrKerub 0 points1 point2 points 1 month ago
Brobama
[–]XSavageWalrusX 1 point2 points3 points 1 month ago
why does everyone here love Obama? He is a traitor! Yeah, he used to smoke, so did Clinton, bush, and probably a few others. Obama is even worse on this subject than Nixon, because while Nixon was a crazy paranoid asshole, Obama knows what's up and isn't willing to change it.
[–]reddonkulus 0 points1 point2 points 1 month ago
this has been my background for month since the article came out on yahoo
[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 1 month ago
And he still has raids conducted of pot clubs. Fuck him
[–]Psychedelics_R_Us 0 points1 point2 points 1 month ago
Sheeeeeit
[–]treez4lyfe 0 points1 point2 points 1 month ago
Presid(former)ENT
[–]pittmanism 0 points1 point2 points 1 month ago
Is there a higher resolution version of this somewhere?
[–]vertigo1083 -1 points0 points1 point 1 month ago
I can't actually think a grown person would actually call the President an ent. Try paying attention in school.
Or at least do a google search before making yourself look foolish.
[–]Riots_all_day 0 points1 point2 points 1 month ago
Don't vote just because of someone wants to legalize marijuana. As much as i love being high as fuck. You have to look on what are ther other political ideas are.
[–]Locachick 0 points1 point2 points 1 month ago
I realize most of you have serious discussion opinions on this but can you imagine Obama at like 20 smoking a joint and saying to his friends 'man I'm gonna be president' and him and his friends make jokes about how the whole presidency will be about legalizing weed. 20 year old Obama would probably think he sucks too.
[–]BeautifulLittleLies 1 point2 points3 points 1 month ago
No. He is not an ent. An ent wouldn't shut down dispensaries. They wouldn't ignore the fact that people are still getting arrested for minor marijuana charges. They would realize they have the power to legalize it on a federal level at any minute and then do it because they know marijuana is not a harmful drug. No, he is not an ent. He is a hippocrite.
[–]baileysadorf321 0 points1 point2 points 1 month ago
Never seen this on r/trees before...
[–]5150imofftheheezy 0 points1 point2 points 1 month ago
Smoking dank, and yet he still fuels the DEA and their "war on drugs"; still deems it acceptable for 30-40% of incarcerations to be marijuana-related offenses; and still makes fellow Americans, sick as they may be, feel like criminals when smoking a simple plant to alleviate their pain. Even in his AMA he outright ignored answering poignant questions regarding legalization and the drug war, while still managing to answer "What's the recipe for the White House's beer?".
With all the evidence out there, it's time for some serious change in United States policy regarding legalization.
[–]NeckbeardsReckoning 0 points1 point2 points 1 month ago
ITT: People basing their voting choices on marijuana policy. I want it to be legalized as much as anyone, but there are much bigger issues at stake. Please don't vote on a single issue.
[–]Hero_of_One 1 point2 points3 points 1 month ago
He is not our friend.
"Recently, there have been increasing efforts to legalize marijuana. The Obama Administration has consistently reiterated its firm opposition to any form of drug legalization."
http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/ondcp/Fact_Sheets/marijuana_legalization_fact_sheet_3-3-11.pdf
[–]lavastoviglie 0 points1 point2 points 1 month ago
I could never be president. All my stupid frients have camera phones. Something would be leaked.
[–]sab366 -1 points0 points1 point 1 month ago
I'm sure he used to be a chill guy. USED to. Now he's just another politician.
[–]Chemal -1 points0 points1 point 1 month ago
Didnt they only go after places doing it against their state laws?
[–]angiesanidiot 1 point2 points3 points 1 month ago
Don't mean to disappoint, but that's probably a cigarette, since he smokes them.
[–]bbenja4 0 points1 point2 points 1 month ago
Four more bowls.
[–]jamesd2011 0 points1 point2 points 1 month ago
Obama would be a douchey stoner. Interception!
[–]42Ozukuri 0 points1 point2 points 1 month ago
doesn't it kinda look like he has jizz in his afro?
I LIVE IN AUSTRALIA
WHAT IS THIS 'PRESIDENT' BUSINESS YOU SPEAK OF
[–]KERMITtheKILLA 1 point2 points3 points 1 month ago
Weed
[–]Scuttlebuttz93 0 points1 point2 points 1 month ago
I'm still hopeful that he is secretly an advocate and is just afraid of the effect it may have for his re-election. Not much though :/
[–]topher1250 -1 points0 points1 point 1 month ago
thank atom i know I'm voting for a human
[–]iTumor 0 points1 point2 points 1 month ago
Someone should have posted this to the AMA and asked "care to explain why I can't?" It would obviously not have been replied to, but at least he'd look in the mirror for 2 seconds.
[–]Chairman-Meeow -1 points0 points1 point 1 month ago
Listening to silver by bonobo. And it looks like the president is jamming out with me. [8]
[–]Enzie1991 0 points1 point2 points 1 month ago
heh..
[–]obituarylist 0 points1 point2 points 1 month ago
I don't think that the government realizes that our community is really an untapped resource to get elected. With the support of all of us we could get anyone in office to start the legalization process. If we could all stay sober enough to focus on voting for a second it could happen :D
[–]trevmann83 1 point2 points3 points 1 month ago
Not to troll...but more like PRESIDIOT. Im sorry I can't stand him.He is AGAINST ALL THINGS TREES!!! HE RAIDS DISPENSARYS!! HES NOOOOO DIFFERENT THAN ROMNEY!!!! I live in Texas and i personally do not know anybody that is voting for him. The people that are voting for him that I've talked too.... 1.Uneducated and underage mexican girls with babies. 2.Teachers. 3. And of course homosexuals
[–]ur2cool 0 points1 point2 points 1 month ago
He's blowing smoke in more ways than one right now.
[–]Alexaaaa 0 points1 point2 points 1 month ago
except hes turned his back on us
[–]Hoodmau5 0 points1 point2 points 1 month ago
If this is the reason why you're voting for Obama, than I have no hope left in American citizens
[–]ivan-a-tena 0 points1 point2 points 1 month ago
Did anyone ask him anything about weed in his AMA?
[–]onedavester 1 point2 points3 points 1 month ago
11 different times. Not one response.
[–]LeKicks 0 points1 point2 points 1 month ago
But... He didn't inhale, or did he?
[–]LordPickles 0 points1 point2 points 1 month ago
At first I thought that was Cum on his hair and face.
[–]thoramighty 0 points1 point2 points 1 month ago
0/10 will not vote for 2nd term. Mitt Romney: 0/10 would not EVER vote for.
[–]DankBeard 1 point2 points3 points 1 month ago
This guy is a piece of shit that puts non-violent criminal in jail and signs off on state sanctioned assassination almost daily. Fuck him. He doesn't represent anything ENT related.
[–]Alajoss 0 points1 point2 points 1 month ago
When Obama was a teenager he smoked so much pot he would have gone to jail under his own administration
[–]frankensteinwhenhigh 0 points1 point2 points 1 month ago
Looks like Tito Jackson [7]
[–]shibby_abi 0 points1 point2 points 1 month ago
This guy is so good, he should be president of the world XD
[–]HighOnLifeAndWeed 0 points1 point2 points 1 month ago
TOKEbama
all it takes is a username and password
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is it really that easy? only one way to find out...
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