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[–]UserBlank69 3 points4 points ago

While combat like that is very stressful, training should reduce the amount of misses. The police are trained and equipped and should be held to a much higher standard than people who are not trained and equipped to handle situations like this.

Also; between two officers they hit NINE INNOCENT BYSTANDERS. That is A LOT of missing.

Finally; many people are also pointing out that the police are pretty awful at responding in situations like this, and feel that it is wrong to deny people the opportunity to defend themselves. They seem to feel that you are lucky if the cops show up to protect you; there are cases like this one where they either fail to or actually put you in harms way.

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[–]UserBlank69 5 points6 points ago

You're absolutely right; my point is negated by the fact that only three people were injured by direct misses and six others were injured by indirect misses.

I shall be more cautious in the future about badmouthing the police the benefit of the doubt in situations where they fuck up this badly.

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[–]UserBlank69 6 points7 points ago

Hahahaha whatever.

The police should be held to a higher standard than this, claiming so does not make me an internet tough guy. The police department for a city that is notorious for claiming that its citizens cannot be trusted with firearms and stripping them of their ability to defend their own lives should be held to a much higher standard than this.

I am not going to sign up to be a cop, because I know I would not meet that standard. If your post is any indication though, your ability to misread the words and actions of others would allow you to fit right in with the ranks which are responsible for messes like this. I recommend that you go ahead and sign up, you will get much further than I would.

[–]Sevsquad 1 point2 points ago

I'll take a shot at this without being a condescending dick hole about it.

What people don't realize about firefights is that 99% of the shots fired are normally misses. This is something they explained in one of my classes for ROTC. People just want to put rounds down range at the enemy, sometimes it's useful (suppression) but most of the time people fire their gun in the vague direction of the enemy because it makes them feel like they are defending themselves, and most of the time it takes military training to break something like that. Something I would not advocate for a civilian police force.

[–]zzisrafelzz 0 points1 point ago

I agree. The training police should receive (and I would hope do receive) is that you do not discharge your weapon unless you have a valid shot, or you know your fire will not do more harm than good (i.e. fragmentation near bystanders or through and through if you do not know what is behind the wall at which you are shooting. Simply firing blindly at a bad guy is something I might expect to see in a low budget action movie, but not in real life with real consequences. I grant that suppression fire does serve a purpose, however, again the shots are not taken if they would do more harm than good. Suppression fire is not a tactic used in urban areas due to the high risk of bystander injury and death.

[–]Eweboat 0 points1 point ago

Did you eat paint chips as a kid?

[–]goddamnfuckinsonypos 0 points1 point ago

"Collateral damage" bad thing to say but no matter what happens there is always gonna to be a innocent getting hurt