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[–]Des_Esseintes 69 points70 points ago

"If I determine the enemy's disposition of forces while I have no perceptible form, I can concentrate my forces while the enemy is fragmented. The pinnacle of military deployment approaches the formless: if it is formless, then even the deepest spy cannot discern it nor the wise make plans against it." -Sun Tzu (via Alpha Centauri)

[–]gb003k 23 points24 points ago

Sid Meyer loves Sun Tzu

[–]I_r_redditmans 4 points5 points ago

That game had so many memorable quotes, whether historical or written specifically for the game.

[–]hateshypocrites 1 point2 points ago

That is one of my favourite quotes from my favourite game of all time!!

[–]wheresmyhouse 23 points24 points ago

If he's anonymous, how do we know he's American?

[–]Disasstah 23 points24 points ago

Because his accent.

[–]CrossP 4 points5 points ago

Lollapalooza

[–]Lacrimae11 7 points8 points ago

You mean Rorraparooza right?

[–]classy_stegasaurus 1 point2 points ago

I don't get it. Is that supposed to be hard to say in most countries?

[–]schmetterlingen 1 point2 points ago

Think Pacific Theatre.

[–]CrossP 1 point2 points ago

Here you go It was used as a kind of cultural passphrase called a shibboleth during WW2

[–]SgtSplish 101 points102 points ago

As a soldier, this is probably the most truthful commentary on the US military I've ever read. Thank you sir

[–]orthag 44 points45 points ago

"Hey, Chuck! What'd you do with those super classified battle plans?"

"I dunno."

"Fuck it, we'll do it live."

[–]mage2k 43 points44 points ago

I think it's true of more than just our military. It's fairly common in all walks of American life to have and follow traditions or what-have-you until they are inconvenient, at which point we just do whatever the fuck we want.

[–]Hosfac 9 points10 points ago

That's why I beat the rush, and do whatever the fuck I want from the word "Go."

[–]cagedanger 7 points8 points ago

Easier to say sorry than ask permission after all

[–]GMan129 5 points6 points ago

That's what I told them! Stupid attorney couldn't make the case though...

[–]REDDIT_HARD_MODE 1 point2 points ago

Our of curiocity, are you saying the military is unstructured, or very adaptable?

[–]SgtSplish 23 points24 points ago

Very structured in a fucked up way, and very adaptable.

[–]yourpenisinmyhand 1 point2 points ago

I think the word you are looking for is "adaptable".

[–]REDDIT_HARD_MODE 0 points1 point ago

It was.

[–]yourpenisinmyhand 17 points18 points ago

Then my work here is done

[–]cha0tician 1 point2 points ago

Adapt, improvise, overcome.

[–]orthag 0 points1 point ago

Blow shit up.

[–]Mansyn 22 points23 points ago

I think Patton somewhat embraced this philosophy

"Don't tell people how to do things, tell them what to do and let them surprise you with their results." - George S. Patton

[–]DLP2000 37 points38 points ago

It's a humorous way of stating that the US military can improvise and adapt to whatever conditions are thrown its way...

Well anything but idiotic political rules of engagement.

[–]RedGoatSurprise 28 points29 points ago

Well anything but idiotic political rules of engagement.

Stupid human rights getting in the way of our imperial war machine!

[–]TheCrash84 20 points21 points ago

Just wondering, but do you know all of the different rules of engagement? If so then you know that each mission has its own. They range from kill everything that moves, to don't fire your weapon under any circumstance even if half of your team has been killed.

So to be honest the rules of engagement can be very idiotic at times. However I do think they are necessary.

[–]sixth_motors 6 points7 points ago

During both my tours there were blanket rules of engagement across the theatre of operation set from when we got there to when we left.

[–]TheCrash84 2 points3 points ago

Didn't you get ROE Cards before you went out on each assignment?

[–]sixth_motors 2 points3 points ago

Nope. We were passed out laminated ones at the beginning of the deployment and it was part of our ppe and every platoon gad an ROE marine, he would recite the roe at every convoy brief very quickly like a disclaimer. Im sure the grunts had a more fluid roe brief.

[–]jcarlson08 5 points6 points ago

Grunt here, currently in Afghanistan. Our ROE haven't changed since we got here.

"Deadly force is authorized with PID on hostile action or hostile intent. If you feel threatened, you have the right to defend yourself."

Hostile action being defined as actively shooting at you or detonating an IED, hostile intent being defined as armed with the appearance of maneuvering on you or otherwise preparing to perform hostile action. It's legal here for ordinary citizens to own a personal AK-47 and it's not uncommon to see bands of men in civilian cloths with PKMs (Russian 7.62mm medium machine guns) and RPG-7s chilling in town who are "local militia", hired by the local elder to protect a village from Taliban and foreign fighters, in addition to the uniformed ANA and ANP forces.

[–]Mansyn 6 points7 points ago

"Stand still while people shoot at you because the politician that sent you in the first place is worried about how he looks for it" does not serve a soldier well.

[–]multile 1 point2 points ago

The one manual the USSR could have used to win the cold war. Shucks!

[–]sixth_motors 1 point2 points ago

Stupid human rights getting in the way of the Human rights of others

FTFY

[–]Butt_Patties 5 points6 points ago

A Russian document

A German General Officer

Gee, that sure is specific.

[–]ClockStalker 2 points3 points ago

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Hypothesized location: Western North America

To hold Infinity in the palm of your hand, and Eternity in an hour

[–]Butt_Patties 4 points5 points ago

Eastern North America, actually.

WHERE IS YOUR GOD NOW?!

And that poem is pretty deep, mate.

[–]DaJoW 0 points1 point ago

I'm actually upset that a genuine poem will forever be linked to a Tomb Raider movie in my head.

[–]DogChow 1 point2 points ago

dude. you're a stalker.

[–]Butt_Patties 1 point2 points ago

Well, his username is ClockStalker.

On a somewhat related note, he was wrong as to my general location.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point ago

oooh ooh, do me!

[–]Tonytarium 6 points7 points ago

SERPENTINE!

[–]SmoothWD40 0 points1 point ago

Bob and weave!

[–]nerds-fuck-adaquetly 1 point2 points ago

I'M UP HE SEES ME, I'M DOWN. I'M UP HE SEES ME, I'M TO TIRED TO GET BACK UP AGAIN

[–]Ozzymandias 49 points50 points ago

Is classic now the politically correct way of saying repost?

[–]sixth_motors 12 points13 points ago

That's how classic rock does it. How many god damn times in your life have you heard Mrs. Robinson on the radio?

[–]Desiccant 5 points6 points ago

Not nearly as many times as I've heard Stairway to Heaven

[–]joegekko 5 points6 points ago

NO STAIRWAY

[–]EnhancementShaman 0 points1 point ago

too bad that they had to dub over him actually playing stairway with some random guitar sounds.

[–]mainsworth 7 points8 points ago

Do you yell repost when you are listening to the radio and they play a song that was played a couple days ago?

[–]Ozzymandias -5 points-4 points ago

No, because every single user of reddit is capable of making original content, so there is no need to constantly reuse the same (usually terrible) content over and over again just to get upvotes. That is not true for the radio, so your analogy fails.

[–]mainsworth 7 points8 points ago

Maybe everyone can make original content, but not everyone can make good original content. Just like everyone can sing, but not everyone can sing well.

[–]Ozzymandias -4 points-3 points ago

Right, but that's up to /r/new to decide. Does being bad at something justify passing off other people's work as your own?

[–]ableman 5 points6 points ago

Wouldn't it be easier to leave the presumption that something posted is OP's OC unless they explicitly state that it is? That's what I do.

[–]mainsworth 1 point2 points ago

He passed this off as his own? When someone tells a joke you've heard before, do you whine like a little child too?

[–]Ozzymandias -2 points-1 points ago

Oh, you just went straight from "I might be able to hold a basic human conversation" to "I'm a straight up bitch" mode in record time.

[–]mainsworth -1 points0 points ago

:'(

[–]kosif -1 points0 points ago

Yes. Originality. Not using previously published works.

I like your name.

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[–]Des_Esseintes 0 points1 point ago

i don't have much link karma because i always self-post. low numbers isn't necessarily a sign of low value to the community. so don't hate on people with tiny karmas :)

do hate on people with crap submissions though. so i would judge based on this: http://www.reddit.com/user/Ozzymandias/submitted/ if you go there you can see this guy reposted the irish guy talking about america that has been on reddit time and time again.

I really think the radio analogy is a good one in the end. Content spreads around in various networks and when people see something they like they share it. Should the research exhaustively to make sure noone has ever shared it before? I don't see how that necessarily makes the internet better.

[–]Ozzymandias 0 points1 point ago

I neither repost old content, nor burden the site with bad content. I consider that a very neutral position.

[–]cords55 1 point2 points ago

Naw, see the first couple of times it's reposted it's an accident. The after that, for about six or seven times more times, it's a repost. After that, then it's a classic.

[–]jeanthine 7 points8 points ago

So your battle plan is flail ridiculously in every direction and somehow luck into victory because everyone brought sanity to a crazy fight?

[–]Bennethon 26 points27 points ago

It's called the Inspector Gadget approach.

[–]Windyvale 7 points8 points ago

Seems to have a fairly low failure rate, so yea. Why not.

[–]Syclops 5 points6 points ago

Say what you want about America, but we are good at killing people and taking stuff.

[–]hiphoprising[!] 4 points5 points ago

AND MONSTER TRUCKS!!

[–]CrossP 2 points3 points ago

Button mashing

[–]yourpenisinmyhand 0 points1 point ago

That's how I play pool.

[–]FreiJohWal -2 points-1 points ago

Well we haven't really won (as in over and done, enemy finished, no more trouble...) a war since the '40s.

[–]apuckeredanus 0 points1 point ago

"Well we haven't really won a war since the '40s." You are so very, very wrong.

[–]FreiJohWal 0 points1 point ago

I guess people just have different definitions of won. We certainly haven't been able to sucessfully stablize any country we fought in since WWII, which the exception of vietnam which came at a huge cost to us and wasn't really complete until after the cold war.

[–]apuckeredanus 0 points1 point ago

South Korea, Grenada, Panama, Kuwait, The Dominican republic and Yugoslavia off of the top of my head are stable. But whatever I'm not going to get anywhere here.

[–]FreiJohWal 0 points1 point ago

No you're really not. I don't think we understand the reasons for the wars and how sucess would be defined in the same way. I don't think we lost any of those wars but it's hard to see how we won much anything either.

[–]apuckeredanus 0 points1 point ago

Yeah, lets just agree to disagree.

[–]FreiJohWal 0 points1 point ago

Agreed. Glad we can end the argument civily, that seems rare around here.

[–]apuckeredanus 1 point2 points ago

Me too, instead of all caps and calling the other person a homosexual.

[–]clockwerkman 0 points1 point ago

you know, except for korea, the cold war, Operation Power Pack, Grenada, The Iran-Iraq war, the intervention in the Afghani genocide, the Lebanese civil war, the Somali civil war, the Bosnian crisis, OIF, Second Liberian Civil War, 2004 Haitian coup d'état, and the 2011 Libyan civil war. You know, aside from those.

[–]FreiJohWal -2 points-1 points ago

As far as I know we still have problems in all of those places. What is your definition of won? Mine would be that the enemy no longer exists (like with the major players of Nazi Germany).

[–]clockwerkman 1 point2 points ago

you seem to have a loose definition of enemy. By your logic, Germany stills exists, so therefore we lost world war II. In OIF, major player was Saddam Hussien. Wonder what happened to him....

edit: even by your narrow and, well, wrong definition, we have had no troubles with south korea, we have had no trouble with Libya since Gaddafi, We haven't had issues with Grenada, We haven't had issues with Russia since their economy collapsed (covering cold war, and afghani genocide), the Somali, or the Bosnians. Honestly, the only ones you could possibly argue would be the Iran-Iraq war, and the first Lebanese civil war.

edit 2: time for the downvote circle jerk.

[–]FreiJohWal -1 points0 points ago

no by my logic the nazi party as it existed no longer exists therefore we won...

[–]Hosfac -5 points-4 points ago

Why do you think the Roman Empire, who had the best equipped and most highly trained force in the world in their day, got their ass kicked so often? They fought well in relatively organized battles (as organized as a battle can get anyways), but the moment that chaos prevailed they were out of their element.

Crazy scares the living fuck out of people, and when an army is scared shitless, they will most likely lose.

[–]Timmetie 5 points6 points ago

Like where? What are you even talking about? There was no guerrilla campaign against the Romans. Roman armies protected unbelievably outstretched borders against raiders for centuries.

Rome fell to infighting and sheer force of migrating and attacking forces. They had incredible successes against lesser organized forces like the anglo's, gauls and germans.

Name me one battle where this was true, or one incident. Teutoburger Wald doesn't count as those were highly organized tribes performing a highly organized ambush.

[–]clockwerkman 0 points1 point ago

I would argue spartacus.

[–]Timmetie 0 points1 point ago

Who lost.. That rebellion was never a real force. Just overwhelmed the local militia before the real army could be mustered.

[–]SmoothWD40 -2 points-1 points ago

Or do stupid shit and then make it seem smart when it works.

[–]lochlainn 2 points3 points ago

If it's stupid and it works, it's not stupid.

[–]pHScale 4 points5 points ago

Thus saith the LORD (Logistic Operations and Readiness Division)

[–]Cheeky_Allegations 3 points4 points ago

Well no see we are quite easy to predict,we fight for a bit until we get bored and then we fall back and drop bombs on our enemies until we win.

[–]bluescreen1988 3 points4 points ago

Nah you've got it backwards, first we drop bombs, then we send in armed troops to "apologize"

[–]Tusularah 1 point2 points ago

Blamgram for Mongo!

[–]rubix5609 2 points3 points ago

America is awesome...

[–]bribers3884 2 points3 points ago

Say what you want about America, but we are good at killing people and taking stuff.

[–]NotSoFreshPrince -1 points0 points ago

I came, I saw, I fucked shit up! MERIKA (CAWW CAWW) <= Eagle.

[–]yourpenisinmyhand 5 points6 points ago

Eagles don't caw you commie!

[–]NotSoFreshPrince 3 points4 points ago

Sorry, Crows Caww, Eagles EAGG EAGG!!

[–]yourpenisinmyhand 5 points6 points ago

EAGGGGGGGGGGG!

[–]CCCHAMP 2 points3 points ago

EEEAAAAGGGLLLEEE!

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[–]CCCHAMP 0 points1 point ago

It's from the show Scrubs. The main character yells that when he gets picked up by his friend Turk.

[–]Harry_Dawg 2 points3 points ago

Merica!

[–]daglebagel -5 points-4 points ago

This is what I don't get. First off, I'm American, but not all "'Merica fuck yeah". If our military is so fucked up why are we the only ones from those 3 parties that are still around? Yaknowwhatimean?

[–]JaxRiens 8 points9 points ago

Um, that is actually the point of this. The US strength is adaptability. the Nazi's and the soviets followed strict by the book actions, they were un changing and they failed.

[–]titykaka 45 points46 points ago

This isnt why they failed, the nazis were stretched over too many fronts and the USSR economy collapsed. Has nothing to do with their military techniques.

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[–]titykaka -2 points-1 points ago

Well no that was their leadership declaring war on too many nations at once, nothing to do with the way the army is run.

[–]Hosfac -3 points-2 points ago

Um...Stalingrad.

[–]titykaka 1 point2 points ago

What's your point?

[–]yourpenisinmyhand -3 points-2 points ago

The Nazis stretched themselves over too many fronts and the USSR economy collapsed because they tried to control every facet of it. It has everything to do with plasticity and adaptation.

[–]candygram4mongo 0 points1 point ago

Or rather the author(s) of the US military manual this is taken from would like to think so.

[–]JaxRiens 2 points3 points ago

I'd say its fairly true. The idea of havign a flowing adaptable combat force is not just a US one. Sun Tzu speaks of it and that is abotu as far from western inspired thought as you can get.

[–]candygram4mongo -1 points0 points ago

It's true that adaptability is a strength, but not necessarily true that the US military is exceptionally adaptable as compared with others, or that other opposing militaries think so.

[–]JaxRiens 1 point2 points ago

You have to remember that manual was written something like 20 years ago.

[–]TheBB 0 points1 point ago

Planning against the British is a bit easier.

[–]Bluedonks 0 points1 point ago

It's a repost, but still one of my favorite images ever.

[–]jrwalt4 1 point2 points ago

"A lot of times, we have no idea what we're doing. But the defense doesn't know, that we don't know what we're doing. Now that's next level." - Peyton Manning

http://backseatfan.com/2010/02/peyton-manning-on-mayne-street-gaelic/

[–]LimpHarness -1 points0 points ago

It's a pretty unintelligent made-up quote from...wherever. Unconventional warfare has won many a war and disabled many an organized military...and will continue to do so until the end of time.

[–]greenaru -2 points-1 points ago

Anyone else bothered by the fact that the American quote is from anonymous? Any idiot could have came up with that quote.

[–]mannst 1 point2 points ago

The other quotes are hardly better than anonymous..

[–]greenaru 0 points1 point ago

This is true.

[–]ricehq 0 points1 point ago

Classic repost, yes.

[–]EVD12 0 points1 point ago

Sounds like Patton to me.

[–]Rallerboy888 -2 points-1 points ago

Classic repost

[–]TotalRedditMove -2 points-1 points ago

Ha there is no validity to this, just blowing smoke up the military's ass

[–]SpiritToes -2 points-1 points ago

'MURRICA!!

[–]hacky_sack_attack 0 points1 point ago

As a marine, I can say without a doubt this is probably the same tactic our military is using today.

[–]mcgoo352 0 points1 point ago

It seems West Point preaches this every single day and not on purpose lol

[–]fakearrows -4 points-3 points ago

OP = faggot

[–]mabes666 -3 points-2 points ago

so we should all be nazis and communists???????

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[–]classy_stegasaurus 0 points1 point ago

Gee, do you fellas think it's a repost?

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[–]LNZ42 3 points4 points ago

well, what's so bad about reposting the really good stuff after a while? I didn't know that and I just laughed my ass off thanks to that repost. If you already know it, just close the link and move on.

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