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[–]ThaddeusJP 577 points578 points ago

I live in Chicago. Everyone is speeding to one degree or another. It's like a bunch of zebra every morning on the commute. Then, from nowhere.... a lion. Everyone sees that poor bastard that gets taken down. What do we do? We just keep running along and say "not me today!"

Edit: I watch a lot of nature shows. Also, spellin'

[–]rasterbee 61 points62 points ago

I very much enjoy when you folks come up north to my neck of the woods. One car with Illinois license plates increases the speed of pack travel on Wisconsin highways by roughly 20 mph.

[–]Snow88 35 points36 points ago

Fucking Wisconsin and their 5 mph below normal speed limits.

[–]kyleb350 29 points30 points ago

I grew up in Wisconsin thinking Illinois drivers were crazy speeders. Living in Chicago for 7 years now, I am frustrated by slow Wisconsin drivers.

[–]JuggernautClass 21 points22 points ago

It wouldn't be so bad, except they never get out of the left lane.

[–]Jman5 16 points17 points ago

Why is this such a difficult concept for some people?

Get in the left lane if you're passing or driving faster than the right lane. If someone comes up behind you, move over to let him pass.

[–]namegoeswhere 9 points10 points ago

Last time I made a comment like this, someone told me that they didn't care about anyone behind them as long as they were passing people to their right.

I told them that look, it doesn't matter how fast you think you're going, someone will always be faster than you. So imagine every time you're stuck behind someone in the left lane, and then imagine that everyone behind you feels that way toward you when YOU'RE in the left lane.

[–]JuggernautClass 3 points4 points ago

I usually try to avoid passing in the right lane, so I give them a flash of the high beams and wait another 30 seconds or so. Sometimes they flip me the bird, usually they ignore me, and they almost never actually get out of my way. Apparently the "Slower Traffic Keep Right" law was never actually implemented in Wisconsin.

[–]dunchen22 1 point2 points ago

I usually do that too. One time I did this, came up behind someone in the left lane with a clear right lane (not really tailgating them but closer than you normally follow someone just to sort of show I wanted to pass) and flashed my lights. They immediately slammed hard on their brakes causing me to do the same and nearly hit them. Then they flipped me off and kept going in the left lane. So then I get over in the right to pass and they fucking speed up as I try to pass them! They don't let me in front and I eventually have to get back behind them because of a slower car in the right lane and of course they immediately slow down when I do so. All that because I tried to communicate to them to get over.

I just don't get some people.

[–]namegoeswhere 0 points1 point ago

I think that it might have to do with how shitty the driver's ed is here in the States. I was taught how to drive by a travelling salesman who drove around Europe when companies spent huge amounts of money teaching their travelling salesmen how to travel safely. So one of their training courses was a week spend thrashing around a BMW 5 series in the Alps.

Anyway, thanks to him I just drive my own thing. It blows my mind how often people speed up if you try and overtake them, then give you the finger and dirty looks, and then for as long as they can see you, they try and cut you off and not let you in. I just smile and wave. It doesn't help.

[–]ZaP18 5 points6 points ago

god damnit this drives me so fucking crazy outside of madison

[–]CheekyMunky 5 points6 points ago

Huh? I'm a native Chicagoan who's lived in Madison for 12 years, and I still travel down there all the time. Interstates are 65 in both states. If anything I travel faster up here because there are fewer construction sites and 55 zones through cities.

[–]Freshenstein 3 points4 points ago

Try being a truck driver with "truck" speed limits 10 MPH under the cars.

[–]CSFFlame 4 points5 points ago

Why, does everyone use them as a rabbit or something?

[–]Omen_20 2 points3 points ago

That's what I do in general. Every now and then I'll be the one speeding because no one else is and then someone will hang behind me. You just have to take turns from time to time. I've never seeked out Illinois drivers even though I live right across the bridge in Kentucky. I don't think there's much of a difference between us.

[–]guy_following_you 8 points9 points ago

Got a ticket for going 5 mile over. God I hated Wisconsin after that.

[–]DesertTripper 4 points5 points ago

Crap like that is why traffic cops are so widely hated. Five miles over an arbitrary limit isn't putting anyone in danger.

[–]guy_following_you 1 point2 points ago

I don't hate em all. Just some, that abuse their power.

[–]namegoeswhere 1 point2 points ago

Not only is five miles and hour easily attributed to a hill or other such road conditions, but also speedometer error. Plus, for a ticket for 5 over, one could probably have shown up at their court date and gotten off far easier.

[–]dhcrazy333 122 points123 points ago

I don't think I could have put Chicago Traffic any better. Thank you.

[–]ThaddeusJP 65 points66 points ago

I grew up in Ohio.... took a while to realize that going 55mph on 294 would get me killed.

[–]dhcrazy333 32 points33 points ago

doing 55 on I55 will also get you killed as well.

[–]dnew 142 points143 points ago

I have some chinese friends who got pulled over for doing 85. They just kept shouting in chinese and pointing at the I88 sign until the poor cop let them go.

[–]PeterHell 66 points67 points ago

Good thing they weren't on the 605.

[–]wangsworld 25 points26 points ago

omg this is genius... I must do this...

[–]Freshenstein 8 points9 points ago

I hope you're Chinese or at least Asian?

Better hope the officer doesn't speak the same language.

[–]elvisliveson 2 points3 points ago

what? yell in chinese and point at the sign? this i would like to see.

[–]wackymayor 10 points11 points ago

They were so close to activating the Flux Capacitor!

[–]aab720 4 points5 points ago

Do not let them go! They live here they can learn the rules too! >:o

[–]dunchen22 7 points8 points ago

They can't be driving unless they have a valid license, and in order to have a valid license you must understand what the road signs mean. Having a license implies you understand the rules of the road, so saying you thought the I-88 sign meant 88 mph is not a good excuse. I'm guessing the cop above just got fed up with trying to communicate with them and said, "to hell with this!"

[–]Teddy-Westside 1 point2 points ago

They were actually just trying to explain to the officer that they were attempting to hit 88 miles per hour to go back in time and that he had just interrupted their time travel vacation. I'd be mad, too. You know how much plutonium costs on the open market?

[–]kurogane24 20 points21 points ago

55 on I75 is straight up suicidal.

[–]bigryanjones 5 points6 points ago

I signed in just to comment on this...

Its true. I was born and raised in Ft. Myers - the southern terminus is jam packed with retirees and rednecks that go 85-90 as a matter of protocol and either knowingly, or not, attempting top speed records. They swerve, and generally drive like they're going to give you a rectal exam if you dont move - qucikly - out of the fast lane. Through Atlanta the only difference is they light their hair on fire and do 85-90 and occasionally bump draft, if they pass you, they pass you and you lost the race - its a NASCAR kinda thing.

Now that i live just outside Detroit, the only difference I've noticed is that they'll signal their intentions and generally drive 85-90 and accumulate into packs of speeders that keep proper distance. Its awkward, I drive fast and when I "get out of the way" they fall in line behind me.

[–]mattsprofile 1 point2 points ago

I drive 55 on 75 every day. People just fly by me to the left. It's not a big deal.

[–]thom612 21 points22 points ago

I drove from Baltimore to Milwaukee one night, several years ago. I left Baltimore around 8PM and hit Chicago traffic right as rush hour started at about 6AM. Delirious and tired from a night of driving, I got really annoyed when I looked in my rearview mirror and realized I was being tailgated close by a lady bearing a completely deadpan and emotionless expression on her face, with several cars following closely behind her. I was even more terrified when I looked down at my speedometer and realized I was going 95 mph.

[–]amolad 9 points10 points ago

Lake Shore Drive. A four lane fucking highway in each direction.

Speed limit: 40 mph

Are you fucking kidding me?

So, fuck you, OP. Sometimes the law is WRONG.

[–]InaneVandal 12 points13 points ago

To be fair, there are some nasty turns on Lake Shore drive. :< My aunt lived in one the apartments on one of the major curves and people have accidents all the time there for taking it too fast.

[–]JuggernautClass 12 points13 points ago

Combine those sudden curves with high speeds and people who can't keep their cars in their own lane whilst simultaneously eating their breakfast and talking on their phone, and you've got the potential for a bad time.

[–]InaneVandal 4 points5 points ago

e__e Yeah. It baffles me. "Gaiz, it says 15mph probably for a reason."

:S It was terrible when that snow storm hit the other year too and all the cars were temporarily abandoned because of back ups from accidents in said curves.

[–]sashimi_taco 2 points3 points ago

It isn't a highway at all. It has stop lights and sharp turns. At no point in time did anyone ever say that lake shore drive was a highway.

[–]CheekyMunky 16 points17 points ago

All you have to do is not be the zebra that gets the lion's attention.

Forget speed limits. Match the flow of traffic. It's safer anyway, not just from speed patrols. If traffic is light and/or there's some range to the speeds people are driving at, then only go faster than about 2/3 of them.

I haven't had a speeding ticket in over 15 years, and the few that I have had were from not realizing I'd entered a reduced speed zone (which is my own fault for not paying attention, and only happens when nobody else is on the road with me). I've never been pulled over with any decent amount of traffic around me, despite regularly doing 10-20 over the limit on highways.

[–]JuggernautClass 14 points15 points ago

I don't think the Illinois State Patrol or Sheriffs will even look twice unless you're breaking 85. And the CPD doesn't give a crap, period (unless you somehow directly ruin their day).

[–]DR_McBUTTFUCK 7 points8 points ago

Local cops do though. :(

[–]JuggernautClass 15 points16 points ago

Suburban cops are a bunch of animals. They'll pull you over for looking at them funny. I think they get bored.

[–]Thaygn 2 points3 points ago

Naperville Cops: In attendance at every high school party since 1890.

[–]CatHairInYourEye 4 points5 points ago

That's how it is for most parts of Utah, unless you're the only car on the road.

[–]AlbinoSnowman 4 points5 points ago

I love Illinois highways, such a great mixture of freedom and thrill.

[–]DrunkPython 6 points7 points ago

you mean corn fields and straight roads?

[–]ISuckAtGaming 1 point2 points ago

Illinois, Fuck Yea!

[–]Bearly_Mach 2 points3 points ago

Best way I've ever seen that put.

[–]psyghamn 2 points3 points ago

Exactly! The posted speed limit on south Lake Shore Drive is 45 mph, I would die if I drove that slow.

[–]batmanmilktruck 2 points3 points ago

At least you can speed in the morning, rather than a high of 5 mph on the 405.

[–]ThaddeusJP 2 points3 points ago

Point: LA Drivers.

[–]lowfake 3 points4 points ago

I've seen how those drivers fare against deer across the state line.

[–]BarelyClothed 3 points4 points ago

My families trip there; our Cabby was weaving in and out of rush hour traffic complaining about Chicago's "bad" drivers. He then side swiped an undercover cop and was later arrested. We stuck around to watch and it seemed he had something "illicit" in his trunk. The officer was NOT happy. btw, beautiful city. Liked it more than NY.

[–]boolpies 58 points59 points ago

There's something creepy when you can hear a gif

[–]Pokethug 64 points65 points ago

I had a buddy "run" from the police once. He didn't intentionally do it, because he didn't even know the cop was behind him for about 15 miles. Funny part is, he was driving a Ford Contour.

[–]ExtraCheesed_Buddha 46 points47 points ago

Well first off, that's not a car to be fucked with

[–]Pokethug 28 points29 points ago

What, with it's four speed transmission and whatnot.

[–]dirice87 75 points76 points ago

It has tens of horsepower!

[–]Alsandr 14 points15 points ago

Literally dozens!

[–]PDNYFL 7 points8 points ago

Except for the manuals that had 5-speeds. Oh and the SVT Contour could do 143....

[–]Pokethug 5 points6 points ago

Before my buddy's was impounded for the aforementioned "running" from the police, I drove it and it was only a four speed manual.

[–]PDNYFL 5 points6 points ago

No. It wasn't. Not in a Ford Contour. The manual transmission used in those was the MTX-75 which is a 5-speed. No other manual transmission was offered. To my knowledge no other manual transmission (transaxle really in this application) is compatible with the engines used in those cars.

[–]scots23 22 points23 points ago

You never know. It could have been a PRZ-100 or even a NRC-50. The 98 model kind of broke away from the pack and the transaxle could have easily been compatible. Oh wait, I don't know shit about cars, but I do know how to write letter and number combinations.

[–]Jealousy123 6 points7 points ago

Up until that last sentence I completely believed you.

I even read through it again to see if anything bullshitish stood out but nothing did.

[–]SyxxPakc 6 points7 points ago

And I stayed in a Holiday Inn Express last night.

[–]FlyingFishCake 2 points3 points ago

would you recommend them for a first car?

[–]tyrghast 2 points3 points ago

Hey I drive a Ford Counter SE.

You know I'm classy because of the SE.

[–]victordavion 18 points19 points ago

When I was a teenager I ran from the cops and got away, too. I was in a '92 Corolla on my way home from work. I didn't realize I was speeding and passed some cops in the median. I saw lights turn on in my mirror and I looked and was speeding. I panicked. Luckily, I was ahead of a large pack of cars, and no one here gives a fuck about cops with their lights on so he couldn't get onto the road. I floored the shit out of that car. I was reckless and dangerous and I'm not proud of what I did. It was the most nerve racking thing I've ever done.

He never caught up and I turned down so many roads I almost got lost.

The least proudest moment of my life.

[–]Pokethug 2 points3 points ago

We've all been there, man. I've ran in a Pinto Wagon. I think it was because I was so close to home, and my driveway is almost impossible to find until you're past it.

[–]grammar_oligarch 2 points3 points ago

I did this once! In a Ford Contour!

Are we friends?

[–]Nillix 162 points163 points ago

So, from a highway cop, here's a couple of ways to avoid getting picked out for a speeding ticket.

1) Stay out of the fast lane. It's like bait to a starving kitten.

2) Stick with the flow of traffic. Not "I was going with the flow of traffic, officer, I swear!" Actually stick to it. Pick a car in front of you, to your left, or right and PACE them (not in their blind spot, that's just foolish).

3) If you find yourself in a pack of cars ALL exceeding the speed limit, don't be the front or the rear car.

4) If there is a cop on the freeway, and he's already exceeding the speed limit by 5-10 MPH, don't pass him/her (seems like a no-brainer, but you'd be surprised.)

5) LOOK at your speedometer once and a while. Cruise control (if you're one of the people that uses it) get's funky going downhill.

6) If you have big'ol penis compensatory tires on your lifted truck, unless you pay the money to have your speedometer re-calibrated (few do), your speed is going to show slightly slower on your gauge then you are actually going. If your gauge says 70 MPH, you're probably going 72-74.

7) If you do happen to be the one stopped, DON'T BE AN ASS! 99% of the time, the cop already knows when he steps out of his/her car if you're going to get a ticket or not. You can't talk yourself out of it. You CAN, however, talk yourself into it. Don't argue what you did, be a jerk, throw your information at us, or otherwise be an inconsiderate twat. Oh, and don't try to steal my pen. That's just rude.

Most of all, remember, we're doing our job. We're not out to get you personally, we're not just there to piss in your cheerios. Most of us have homes, families, bills, friends, and hobbies just like you. We're doing the job we were hired for, nothing less.

BONUS) Save the money you were going to spend on that snazzy radar detector. If it's going off, I've already visually estimated your speed and have it locked into my radar. They're a waste of money. Plus, they don't work with LIDAR anyway, which accounts for a large percentage of our speed stops. They also don't do anything when I'm just hiding in your blind spot, pacing you in and out of traffic. It does make me giggle internally when I walk up to your car and see it in your window, though.

Probably been up here too long to bother with an edit, but I said I would. Note on radar detectors, since that's the one everyone seems to be focusing on (with good reason, my bonus is misleading):

The way I'm trained to use Radar is visually estimate a vehicle, then activate the radar and lock it in. if I'm just sitting on the side of the road watching cars and not actively scanning, my radar is not transmitting. If the cop is using his radar in this manner, the use of your radar detector goes way down. But if he's just keeping it running, the reflections may give you enough advance notice to make it worthwhile.

Any other unpopular cop redditors want to add to this list, feel free! I'm sure I'm missing a pointer or two.

[–]quailman320 81 points82 points ago

Most of all, remember, we're doing our job. We're not out to get you personally, we're not just there to piss in your cheerios. Most of us have homes, families, bills, friends, and hobbies just like you. We're doing the job we were hired for, nothing less.

Said every officer, ever, after pissing in someone's cheerios.

[–]Nillix 10 points11 points ago

Hah. Up Vote for probably true. Doesn't make it less true for us though.

[–]einsteinway 0 points1 point ago

Never too late to try the Nuremberg defense.

[–]yer_momma 3 points4 points ago

Depends on the state. Here troopers still use ka band radar which detectors pickup from miles away.

[–]SomeGuyNamedJoe 2 points3 points ago

Also, if you're speeding a little, and someone tail gates you wanting to get past. Don't get angry and block them. Let them pass. They will act like a battering ram for speed traps for the next while.

[–]syspig 8 points9 points ago

Save the money you were going to spend on that snazzy radar detector. If it's going off, I've already visually estimated your speed and have it locked into my radar. They're a waste of money.

Might be true where you patrol, but that's complete bullshit on most of the West coast. My RADAR detector has paid for itself many times over.

As for LIDAR - agreed, trying to detect it is foolish. But RADAR is far more widely used. For many reasons, but primarily because LEO's can't use LIDAR while driving like they can RADAR - at least in WA.

As for your claim that you can visually estimate speed and/or have me locked on RADAR by the time my detector goes off - again, bullshit in many circumstances. I routinely pick up RADAR scatter prior to being visually detected, even with instant on. If you've pulled the trigger on a driver ahead of me, a good detector will work over hills and around corners - well before you see me.

I should mention, I don't fall into the camp that uses RADAR detectors to facilitate speeding...but when riding a motorcycle, we've plenty of asshole LEO's in my neck o' the woods that will pull over a bike going 5 over. It's harassment and/or a revenue generator in these cases, so any tool at my disposal to level the playing field is fair game...

[–]Nillix 11 points12 points ago

I think you might be missing my point on how I use radar. It's not transmitting unless I've already visually estimated speed. But hey, if it's worked to slow you up for a bit and saved you a ticket (not to mention possibly improving your safety) it's not as horrible as my original post made it sound. I suppose a better line would be "radar detectors are useless IF the cop is using the radar in xyz manner, lidar pacing blah blah" Sometimes it's easy to forget that others do it differently.

Tomorrow morning I'll fix the OP with a strike through and better info. Not going to try it from a phone.

[–]Inukii 222 points223 points ago

Hyper Upvote here.

I sat and listened to my friend tell his story about how he plays chicken with a speed camera. He knows the Speed Camera is there. He speeds up and tries to get below the speed limit before he gets flashed. For weeks he said if he got a ticket he would have so many good excuses.

So one day he gets a ticket and for the whole week he bitched about how stupid speed cameras are and how lame it is he has to go to a compulsory speeding lecture.

[–]GameAddikt[S] 41 points42 points ago

Haha, that's hilarious.

[–]ILL_Show_Myself_Out 174 points175 points ago

The speed limits where I'm from are a solid 10 mph below what a sane human being would drive.

[–]I_am_THE_GRAPIST 48 points49 points ago

Yeah I live in CA now. After living in Indiana for six years, that speed limit increase is a welcome change. The prices of catalytic converters is not.

[–]publius4 49 points50 points ago

Even in CA the speed limit can be a bit low. Most people do 75-80 on the freeways even though 65 is generally what's posted.

[–]shoffing 40 points41 points ago

55 MPH speed limit on the New Jersey Turn Pike. Average speed is usually ~75.

[–]toga-Blutarsky 32 points33 points ago

It's like Virginia. I catch myself doing 80 down a mountain and I'll still be passed by an 18 wheeler. Down a fucking mountain with curves.

[–]drowning_porpoise 18 points19 points ago

They're most likely coasting, so that they can use their built up energy for the upcoming hill. Anything to save gas

[–]royboh 7 points8 points ago

The heavier the vehicle, the faster the brakes fade. He was probably just trying to cool them.

[–]arkavianx 10 points11 points ago

He probably drove through real mountains in Colorado or other Rocky states :)

Damn those highways are scary

[–]tllnbks 5 points6 points ago

Height has nothing to do with pitch. There are plenty of steep mountains in Virginia.

[–]GamesAreArt 4 points5 points ago

There are plenty of steep mountains hills Bumps in Virginia

[–]Kangaroo__Court 4 points5 points ago

I'm sure you are aware that over 80 equals ass rape in VA. Unless they changed since I graduated from school there in 2009.

[–]MatthewMateo 8 points9 points ago

Just moved to VA last month from Los Angeles. The minimum speed on every road regardless of what's posted is 60 mph. You easily get away with doing 80-85 on the freeway. I've been trying to go 80-85 everywhere here in Norfolk. It doesn't happen. Not because of cops, but because motherfuckers don't get out of the way. Like here, it's completely acceptable to maintain 5 mph under the speed limit and ride side by side effectively blocking all lanes.

My God. It makes me want to commit suicide everyday after my commute.

[–]Kangaroo__Court 2 points3 points ago

So they ended the automatic reckless driving for over 80 (even on a highway)?

[–]TheGoomba 17 points18 points ago

I-94 up the center of Minnesota is posted at 65 70. It should realistically be about 90mph. This highway is over 250 miles of straight, flat, perfect-visioned road with nothing going on.

[–]bacardee 3 points4 points ago

True that. Completed a 5 hour drive in 3.5 Didn't drop below 90mph the whole way to Grand Forks from the twin cities. Didn't see a single cop either, middle of the day on a friday.

[–]Aldiron 6 points7 points ago

75 in North Dakota, 55 when going through Fargo.

But being that up to 15mph it only costs you $1 per mile.

Once got a speeding ticket for going 69 in a 55. $14, no points. etc.

I win?

[–]swohio 3 points4 points ago

They have speeding tickets that only cost $14 for 14mph over? Why bother pulling anyone over?

[–]drewuke 3 points4 points ago

Same in PA.

[–]Lucky_Bastard63 10 points11 points ago

Finally Texas gets something right... 80 mph baby

[–]clearlyobscure 2 points3 points ago

[–]mynamestopher 5 points6 points ago

Where from Indiana were you guys from? I'm in nw Indiana and highways are all 65-70 and most smaller busy roads are still 55

[–]mynamestopher 0 points1 point ago

I will admit in the middle of IN it's pretty awful and the cops pull you over for anything...my license has been suspended for the majority of a year from an asshat cop in a small town when I was coming home from Bloomington

[–]TimeTravelMishap 7 points8 points ago

To lose your licence for that long you had to have been either doing like 150 in a school zone or had to have had a crapload of speeding tickets..

[–]Fuzzpot 3 points4 points ago

See OP

[–]CaughtInTheNet 11 points12 points ago

and that's how they make money where you're from.

[–]ExtraCheesed_Buddha 3 points4 points ago

Going above the speed limit is fine over here, just as long as you're not a tailgating asshole who has to surpass every car on the road

[–]Calcularius 1 point2 points ago

Car accidents are the #1 KILLER of people aged 21 and younger.

That, and most people aren't sane.

[–]iamagainstit 1 point2 points ago

that is the issue, the speed limit in most of the U.S. is slower than anyone actually drives, so cops have the ability to pull pretty much anyone over at anytime.

[–]KunduzCity2012 2 points3 points ago

I had a roommate in college who would get at least one parking ticket a week. He left on time/late to campus and parked on the curb or in handicapped parking because there was no parking available. He received so many tickets they took his parking pass away and threatened to transfer all his infractions to the city police department to start adding points to his license. He continued to park in restricted spots or in student parking without a pass. Eventually got his license suspended and had to be driven everywhere for a year. Campaigned to have the campus PD shut down and remove parking restrictions to no success. All of that instead of just leaving the house 10 minutes earlier everyday.

[–]armandozamora 8 points9 points ago

Can anyone tell me what movie this is?

[–]i_push_girls 17 points18 points ago

I believe it is Liar Liar.

[–]WaffleWarrior64 7 points8 points ago

Definitely one of my favorite Jim Carrey movies.

[–]failcheck 7 points8 points ago

I'm a little disappointed all the comments are about speeding and not the movie. I love this movie.

[–]drakar 10 points11 points ago

Liar Liar

[–]dhcrazy333 48 points49 points ago

I have mixed feelings about it.

On one hand, there are a lot of crazy bad drivers who speed WAY too much and are just quite dangerous, and deserve the ticket.

On the other, just because you speed/drive fast doesn't mean you aren't in control or being safe. You can speed and be a good, safe driver if you are aware of your surroundings and don't drive like an idiot. Stay in your lane, use your signals, don't cut people off, check blind spots, don't swerve in and out of lanes, etc.

[–]nerdy_engineer 42 points43 points ago

You can speed and be a good, safe driver if you are aware of your surroundings and don't drive like an idiot. Stay in your lane, use your signals, don't cut people off, check blind spots, don't swerve in and out of lanes, etc.

So basically German drivers on the Autobahn's unlimited sections.

[–]BrainInAJar 22 points23 points ago

It's much, much harder to get a license in Germany.

[–]JackassPenguinass 3 points4 points ago

| So basically drivers on the Autobahn's unlimited sections.

You don't have to be German to drive on the Autobahn.

[–]davvblack 5 points6 points ago

And you don't need to | to get a

this thing. >

[–]JackassPenguinass 2 points3 points ago

THANKS!

[–]TheDutchessLola 22 points23 points ago

There are a lot of things that are not unsafe and still illegal. I speed, because I agree with you. I have a 5spd turbo VW and I know how to drive and control my car, I've taken defensive driving classes to be safer on the road. But if I'm breaking the law, I'm breaking the law, and should not complain about the ticket.

[–]Goldface 9 points10 points ago

What always blows my mind is people who drive SUV's and go 20 over the speed limit. I drive a similarly sized car, and I know that at 85 the amount of control you have over an SUV is minimal, just because of how top heavy those cars are.

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[–]MakeFunOfMyStupidity 0 points1 point ago

No. I agree with him. I'm originally from LA. We all speed. The vast majority of people do so safely. Every once in a while there will be some royal asshole swerving in and out of the lanes at a hundred plus miles an hour. Those people need to be cited. I'm not one of the best drivers, but being a good driver isn't so much about skill as it is not being a reckless asshole. That's why for the most part I think traffic cops are fucking parasitic revenue collectors.

[–]SOPA_NO 7 points8 points ago

But is it worth the risk? If only 1/10 drivers going over the limit are bad, that's way too much risk. And it's hard to tell good drivers from bad when you've only seen them for 30 seconds.

[–]dhcrazy333 12 points13 points ago

Not necessarily true. A lot of bad drivers you can tell right away.

The point is, speeding itself, isn't inherently bad.

[–]ServoSkull 16 points17 points ago

75 in lots of Texas now, lots of assholes doing less than that. Feels like everyone was speeding before they changed the limit, and now everyone goes way under.

[–]Skizmanic 1 point2 points ago

What a coincidence, my Valentine One just arrived today.

[–]40kfreak 4 points5 points ago

Also my response when people bitch about being arrested for weed

[–]cmiller1 13 points14 points ago

Just paid a $175 ticket for going 61 in a 55, I wasn't really even paying attention and just following the guy in front of me on the highway, in the slow lane :(

[–]umadbrew 15 points16 points ago

I wasn't really even paying attention

found your problem

[–]cmiller1 10 points11 points ago

*to my speed, I was just plugging along in the line of traffic, following its speed

[–]eitauisunity 2 points3 points ago

I never got how people don't understand that of all the hazards that exist while your driving, almost none of them exist in the vehicle (unless you are doing something hazardous in your vehicle). It makes no sense to refer to something inside of your vehicle to make sure that you are matching some arbitrary guideline that does not take into account the driving context then existing. It is far safer to just drive a speed that you feel comfortable at and pay attention to the things going on outside. "Why did you hit that kid in a school crosswalk!?" "Because I was too busy making sure I was in compliance with the 15mph speed limit so I didn't end up getting a $500 ticket."

[–]TheDutchessLola 5 points6 points ago

Wow, while you should've been paying attention to your speed, I find it very odd that you were pulled over for -10 over in the first place...and for some reason the person in front of you wasn't the one pulled over, as they were clearly going faster?

[–]cmiller1 7 points8 points ago

Going about the same speed, just a couple car lengths in front of me, I couldn't believe it either, here's the ticket: http://i.imgur.com/Ug3Qa.jpg

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[–]hcfranklin14 75 points76 points ago

Not saying the person backing up the lane has any right to be there or they aren't a total dipshit, but if you hit a car in front of you because you weren't able to slow down fast enough you just weren't paying attention.

[–]NastyKnate 46 points47 points ago

or just plain old following too closely

[–]CutterJohn 23 points24 points ago

Or following at a reasonable distance which to some other jackass equals enough space for him to scoot in.

[–]Raneados 21 points22 points ago

There's a theory of traffic patterns that says if everyone allowed correct distance and enough room for that car to scoot in if necessary, then traffic accidents and gridlock would be drastically cut. But everyone feels the need to jam up every bit of available space, stop people from merging when they need to, and stop in intersections because they NEED to feel good about making that light.

Just chill out. Drop back. If a dude merges into that space, drop back behind him so there's the correct amount of space.

Traffic is caused by assholes, not by people going the speed limit.

[–]Raneados 5 points6 points ago

That example seems like it was caused by impatience and tailgating.

Learn how to watch a road. Don't worry how fast you want to go. Worry about the guy next to you that's about to cut across 4 lanes.

[–]dog_in_the_vent 4 points5 points ago

Studies done by the government show that only a tiny fraction of accidents are caused by speeding.

The vast majority of accidents are caused by differences in speed.

What? So if a car doing 50MPH over the limit hits a car doing the speed limit the cause of the accident is a "difference in speed"?

What the fuck are you even talking about?

[–]happyhappyjoejoe 4 points5 points ago

They mean that going 80 mph on its own doesn't make you more likely to get in an accident. If everyone traveled 80 driving wouldn't be significantly more dangerous. It's when all those people slow down for someone going significantly slower that accidents happen. However, even though a world of fast traffic would be great, it's unreasonable to expect everyone to go very fast, so it's safer for the fast drivers to slow down.

[–]dugmartsch 2 points3 points ago

Right, but people are going to have to slow down for exits and such, so if everyone is doing 95 on the interstate, and you introduce lots of new cars that have to get up to speed with limited space, you're going to have accidents.

Difference in speed is speeding.

[–]monotone666 1 point2 points ago

Do you have to practice being retarded and condescending or does it just come naturally?

(How well did I do at it?)

[–]cebarro 16 points17 points ago

Just do everyone a favor and stay to the right if you're not actively passing someone whatever the speed limit is.

It's the fucknaut in the fast lane consistently doing precisely the speed limit that pisses everyone else off.

[–]EricWRN 5 points6 points ago

Yeah, submit to authority asshole!

[–]BABY_BACK_BITCH 13 points14 points ago

Speed limits are put into place to keep the roads safe. However, most of the time the safest thing to do is to "keep up with traffic". If everyone on the interstate is doing 80, and the speed limit is 70. Semi trucks will be blowing past you while you putter down the road in the right lane. That shit is uncomfortable, fuck that.

[–]Save_Me_Superman 10 points11 points ago

Let me just say, sometimes, the situation isn't as simple as you can think. Not everyone can afford shit, and sometimes, the state seems like it's out to get you.

I was homeless, living in my truck, when a state agent decided to fuck with me in a back parking lot that I had permission to sleep in. He fucking saw me in my sleeping bag, in below freezing temperatures, and he knocked on the window with his flashlight to wake me up around 3am. I explained I was destitute, down on my luck, but I had permission to be there...he asked for ID, said he'd be right back.......and handed me a ticket for expired registration. I told him I didn't even drive, I just slept there because I worked in the building, I obviously sleep there, and only turn the truck on to get the heater going for a little bit. He said, "Doesn't matter!" 300 dollar ticket that I obviously could not afford!

I was fucking pissed off, and he stayed behind me doing paperwork or some shit, so I started my car and drove out of the parking lot to get to one down the road. Right when I got on the street, he burned out, creating a smokescreen across the lot, revved up right behind my ass, flipped his lights on, and pulled me over. I was silent, with glaring eyes, seething in rage when he came to my window. He asked for my id, which I gave him with shaking hands....20 minutes later, he came back, and with a smile, handed me a 150 dollar ticket for not wearing my seatbelt. (This was all in North Carolina) I smiled as big as I could, told him he was a donkey dick sucking, cock finagling faggot, and I hope he got shot on duty in the fucking balls, so he would never know the pleasure of a man's asshole ever again. He laughed his fucking ass off and told me to have a good night. Right as he was leaving, he "tripped" and banged his flashlight against my back panel, making a huge dent. It was almost like he wanted me to fight him, but I know better than to use violence against a state agent - they can murder you and get a paid vacation for it.

The next day, he must have told his buddies about me, because I figured, well, I'm fucked anyway, might as well shower down at the gym less than a mile away! I got pulled over again. Got a ticket for 57 in a 45, literally pulled over right in front of the sign saying speed limit 55, the road changed from 45 to 55.

I called my parents, sold the truck, and now I'm living with them. Fuck you, officer in North Carolina. Fuck the system that extracts money from people at the point of a gun, that threatens to cage me for not harming anyone!!!

[–]wardser[!] 1 point2 points ago

the problem is that the cops don't enforce the law properly.

When you are on a highway, cops ignore anyone going under 70mph in a 55.

So when you do get popped for going 75mph...it's not a 5mph over ticket with no points, but a 20mph over ticket with 4 points

The fine itself is irrelevant...25 over is less than $200...while 5mph over is about $100...the problem is that those 4 points means that you'll get fucked for thousands by your insurance company.

If 70mph is the standard on the road...then how about you just make that the speed limit? Or if you think it's so dangerous, start enforcing the 55mph limit, so that everyone can see how ridiclious the speed limit is.

Why is a straight line 4 lane road with no turns have a 55mph speed limit from the 60s? Cars are a bit better nowadays.

[–]djames10 1 point2 points ago

The worst drivers are in Detroit.

Trust me.

[–]ChangingtheSpectrum 5 points6 points ago

Y'know what, I honestly, truly believe that most accidents aren't caused by the people who are going ten or even fifteen over the speed limit. I'm pretty sure a lot of them are caused by people in the right hand lane who move to the left going 10 under, and refuse to pay attention to what's around them, or share some common courtesy. I feel like cops pulling people over causes the same thing. Some easily excitable fuck sees a cop pulling someone over and immediately slams on his breaks, hoping that the cop will stay with that guy and not randomly leave him be and chase after said excitable fuck.

[–]TrafficRage 0 points1 point ago

It would be great if cops started pulling people over for NOT passing in the left hand lane!

[–]fractal7 29 points30 points ago

If you get caught for speeding, it is only your fault no one else's. Don't try to say that the speed limits are too low, they are what they are. If you think they are too low, then campaign to get them changed. The speed limits are there for a reason. Complaining they are too low probably only pertains to you.

[–]shakin 47 points48 points ago

I would agree with you except for one thing: policing has become less about justice and safety and more about income. Whenever they setup a speed trap when the limit drops suddenly, they are trying to ticket people who aren't quick enough to slow down in time, not improve safety. If they wanted to make everyone safe they'd just drive along at the speed limit because that causes everyone around them to go the limit as well.

[–]thebigdonkey 43 points44 points ago

Exactly this. Speed limits are not set by traffic engineers. They are set by administrators who often ignore what the traffic engineers have to say. I always use the example of driving down I-71 from Ohio to Kentucky to Tennessee. It's 65 in Ohio then 70 in Kentucky then 75 in Tennessee. How is it safe for me to drive 75 in Tennessee on the same road with the same conditions and same number of lanes but not safe to drive 70 in Ohio? Speed limits are arbitrary, period, end of story. I don't complain when I get tickets (I've had 3 in 12 years), but speed limits are dumb here and I'll break them whenever I can get away with it.

P.S. No accidents. Idiots who talk on their phones on the highway or don't check their mirrors or don't signal when they're turning are way more dangerous than I'll ever be. And they get away with it.

[–]scots23 2 points3 points ago

I'm in Illinois and most speed limits are either 65 or 55. This makes sense in no imaginable way; Illinois is basically a giant corn and bean field with straight roads. Note I am obviously not talking about Chicago/Peoria/Quad cities when I say corn field.

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[–]Green_like_the_color 2 points3 points ago

Although I don't necessarily disagree with your main argument, I'm sick of hearing about "studies" that "prove" speeding doesn't get you there faster. In stop and go traffic, residential areas, and so on - sure. On a highway, which is what we are talking about here, driving faster gets you there faster. Otherwise NASCAR would be pointless. Well, more pointless.

[–]thebigdonkey 4 points5 points ago

I drive 90 miles a day, so it is worth it to me. I did the math once and conservatively estimated that driving a little "aggressively" (meaning I'm not afraid to pass someone on a two lane highway and the like) saves me about 2 days on the road a year.

And occasionally I do run into a situation where someone does something stupid in front of me but if you're really paying attention to the task at hand, you anticipate when people will change lanes (almost everybody does a little waggle before they change lane so you can tell when they're going even before they signal) so unless they literally side swipe you, you can react.

Also, I forgot to mention old people. Old people are statistically the worst drivers on the road. Teenagers are dangerous because they do stupid stuff sometimes. Old people are dangerous because they are incompetent. They drive primarily during the day and very slowly but they have accident rates that are very comparable to teenagers.

[–]new_math 7 points8 points ago

Exactly. As I said elsewhere, in virtually all areas speed limits and speed traps are set by city and state governments and NOT safety engineers. It's about revenue and not saving lives.

[–]new_math 17 points18 points ago

That reason being to bring in revenue. Where I'm from speed limits are set by city and state governments and not safety engineers. They are set to generate money...it's a million dollar shady industry.

[–]Qxzkjp 4 points5 points ago

So if you get caught speeding, you're giving them exactly what they want!

[–]SwollenPig 12 points13 points ago

Exactly, it is a law. Getting pissed that they enforce laws is pointless.

[–]n1c0_ds 8 points9 points ago

Laws are not always reasonable. If you got jail time for smoking a joint, you'd complain a fair bit.

[–]Heatbeat 16 points17 points ago

MAN FUCKING PIG COPS GIVING ME TICKETS FOR FUCKING SHIT GOD DAMNIT I WAS ONLY SPEEDING AND TAILGATING WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH COPS OMFG PIGS I PAY YOUR SALARY YOU CAN'T TICKET ME WTF.

~Reddit.

[–]thebigdonkey 11 points12 points ago

Pretty sure it's the reverse. Reddit has a downvote hardon for anyone who admits to speeding.

Edit: See I'm getting downvoted already!

[–]baltakatei 3 points4 points ago

T-Rex: You know what? We totally can put an exact price on life, down to the nearest cent.

T-Rex: In fact, we do it all the time!

T-Rex: Every time we land somewhere on the gradient between safety and expense, we do it. If a new ambulance costs $100,000 but would likely save at least 100 lives while it was in use, and we decide NOT to buy it, then we're saying those particular lives aren't worth $1000. Ouch! Sorry, ambulance dudes!

Utahraptor: But maybe we don't have the money to buy an ambulance anyway!

T-Rex: Sure! It's not a perfect measurement.

T-Rex: All I'm saying is we ESTIMATE it all the time. Heck, you do it whenever you're paid hourly and you speed into work! Divide the extra money you get by being there sooner by the increase chance of death the added speed brings you, and you've just VALUED YOUR OWN LIFE.

Utahraptor: ...I - I guess so!

T-Rex: On the flip side, whenever housecleaners clean a bathroom, they're PAID to kill the bacteria there! So those tiny lives are worth negative dollars. And there's SO MANY bacteria, Utahraptor!

T-Rex: There are like a decazillion of them I am ALMOST certain

http://www.qwantz.com/index.php?comic=1609

[–]hagen0 11 points12 points ago

This is stupid. There are so many stupid laws that are broken on a regular basis. Highway patrol hands out speeding tickets to fund the highway patrol. It's a gigantic conflict of interest and laws are selectively enforced.

[–]the_tch 4 points5 points ago

The only people I've seen get speeding tickets are people doing like 100 on the highway and going fast on back roads. I routinely go 80+ on the highway, along with everyone else, and I never see anyone getting pulled over it. As long as everyone's going the same speed, it's not a big deal. It's only when there's someone darting around like crazy when it gets dangerous.

[–]ladyofmachinery 7 points8 points ago

Or speedtraps/bored cops...

I sped for years... hovering between 90-100 on a regular basis. Mind you, I drove a lot of freeways during odd times. I never got slapped with a ticket for those speeds...I drove very carefully and had several systems for keeping an eye out for cops. (rabbit'ing was my favorite...pick someone who is obviously driving fast in a reckless manner and be sure to set your speed a few miles under them. Stick to the right lanes during a non-traffic filled time of day. Let them flush out the cops. Stop accelerating when the inevitable happens, coast past at a more reasonable speed.)

My only tickets were in speed trap/bored cop situations. I was usually going just a few mph above/below 80 mph at the speed of traffic and not really looking for cops. You would be surprised how much they appreciate knowing that you've seen them...even a token breaking can be the difference between a stop and not.

I still miss it some days. But gas prices are too damn high and I almost have my good driver discount back. I also don't drive the freeways where 90+ was a legitimate flow of traffic speed. And...to be honest...I'm not sure my beat up ole'Civic can handle the speed anymore.

(Side note: Beat up from stupid people hitting it in parking lots-I used to work next to a bar)

[–]conversionbot 2 points3 points ago

80 mph = 128.75 km/h

[–]NastyKnate 2 points3 points ago

part of the problem happened years ago. im in ontario, and i know it happened all over north america. gas prices went up and speed limits went down. each one apparently with a promise that they would be put back higher eventually. this never happened. i drive on a highway with a speed limit of 100km/h... IIRC its designed for speeds in excess of 180kmh. limits are too low, and i think thats why most bitch.

personally, i dont care how fast youre driving, just dont be a douche about it. dont tailgate, swerve, remember to signal, and, most importantly, please remain patient

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[–]andrewsj1 0 points1 point ago

you are too young to drive arent you. either way, you have to understand, speed limits have been seet for a LONG time. Average cars were only safe at 65 many years ago. If you went fast it fucking rattled and you really had no control. my car got up to 90 on a downhill and i didn't even notice cuz it was so smooth. Not even a big deal car, 08 altima coupe. cars now can handle faster speeds with control and better breaking, therefore, more people feel safe going 80.

[–]akallio9000 7 points8 points ago

Insurance companies lobby for lower speed limits "for the public safety", but it's actually so when anybody doesn't obey the absurdly low speed limit, he gets a ticket and has his premiums tripled. And insurance is required by these lobbyists efforts, for extra flavor. And these are the people that Obamacare will put in charge of even more of your money.

[–]Okieslims 3 points4 points ago

speed traps are the ultimate "thank you for paying me to knuckle bust your anus tax payer"

[–]JKwingsfan 7 points8 points ago

Wow, really? People like you make me want to just pull my hair out. Hurr durr, it's the law, better follow it. If I'm driving at a safe, reasonable speed -- the law is supposed to keep us safe, right? -- why should I be ticketed?

If the speed limit is 70, but the roads are icy and I'm going 65, I deserve a damn ticket. If I'm on the freeway and traffic is moving at 85, it's fucking stupid to single someone out for a ticket. If it's a vacant, straight, smooth highway, I can safely go over 90. Speed limits exist to drum up revenue. Outside of residential areas, the evidence that speed limits decrease the number of traffic fatalities is piss poor. In fact, there is good evidence that the OPPOSITE is actually true.

Here's the first article with an abstract that summarizes the relevant information that popped when I searched "speed limits" on Google scholar. http://trid.trb.org/view.aspx?id=117002

Shows that altering the posted speed limit has a statistically insignificant effect on the speed of traffic; drivers basically go the speed they feel safe and comfortable at: http://trid.trb.org/view.aspx?id=478018

derp.

[–]mayonesa 3 points4 points ago

It's a hidden tax.

Our road system is totally dysfunctional yet apparently it's the best we have.

The cops are just raking in the profit.

[–]DrOPotnic 1 point2 points ago

Speeding saves me a solid fifteen to twenty minutes a day (I have a long commute to work) I don't speed excessively, but technically I AM breaking the law. It doesn't effect anyone other than me, how does that make me an asshole?

[–]Cooleycotton 7 points8 points ago

As far as I understand, it doesn't. The asshole bit comes from crying and griping about being busted for it. Commuting sucks, I certainly wouldn't hold anything against you for trying to shave some extra time off.

[–]TrollyMcTrollster 0 points1 point ago

Because, if you're speeding and someone is going faster than the flow of traffic, but slower than you, and they pull right in front of you, you might cause an accident. Everyone behind you will be fucked too. It's nice that you get home 15-20 early to sit on your couch.

[–]city_humanist 3 points4 points ago

Dude, you need to move. Driving too fast not only puts yourself at risk but also puts safe drivers like myself at risk who are driving with infants. I try to moderate my emotions but I find myself hating drivers like yourself for taking huge risks with my son's life. Traffic accidents are the number 1 killer of children over 1.

[–]MrMoustachio 6 points7 points ago

Because you think your inability to budget your time is more important than everyone else's safety. It is beyond selfish to think you being in a hurry justifies endangering others.

[–]pU8O5E439Mruz47w 5 points6 points ago

It doesn't effect anyone other than me

What, you don't think it increases the risk exposure levels of other drivers on the road?

[–]blolfighter 6 points7 points ago

The moment you slam into someone because you couldn't brake in time, you affect someone else. "But I drive carefully!" No you don't, you're speeding.

[–]iEatPie 2 points3 points ago

Speeding isn't the same as unsafe distance from the car in front of you.

And this thread is full of self righteous people who say they have never broken the speed limit. Going 56 in a 55 is still breaking the law according all of you.

But please, this thread is more about high horse than being honest. It's almost as if you all are teenagers who believe you are driving correctly.

[–]blolfighter 3 points4 points ago

If going 56 where the limit is 55 is saving someone "a solid fifteen to twenty minutes a day," that is a VERY long commute. It's probably more than that. And I don't really care about someone who goes one kph or mph over the speed limit.

This thread isn't about high horse or being honest. This thread is about the guy who mows down a kid in a 30kph zone because he was going 45kph (that's 1.5 times the speed limit) and couldn't stop in time. This thread is about the guy who goes 150kph where the speed limit is 130, and can't react to an unforeseen circumstance in time, whatever that may be.

That is what this is about. Traffic safety. The faster you go, the less time you have to react to anything that happens, and the longer your car takes to come to a stop. And it's not just about speeding. The people who won't slow down when the road is wet or visibility is poor are just as bad.

[–]superfudge 2 points3 points ago

It is the same. The speed limit is not there to protect you, it's there to protect other people from you. If you're driving down the road and a child steps out into the road in front of you, it's pretty simple to work out that driving slower gives you more time to react and avoid them.

[–]kelustu 4 points5 points ago

1.) Not funny and it's on r/funny. 2.) I would love it if you could find me some statistic that linked speeding to anything actually bad. I'm not talking about drunk drivers who are also speeding. My stopping time is significantly shorter than other cars. I also have never crashed or gotten a ticket, but speed regularly (looking over your shoulder for cops is not hard). If I speed on a freeway at 3 in the morning when there are ZERO other cars around, and I'm going 85 in a 65, I'm perfectly within the bounds of reason to complain about the lack of logic in my actions being considered wrong.

[–]BelievesItsNotButter 0 points1 point ago

You just have to understand the courts. I've had three and yet all three were dropped.

[–]daily24 1 point2 points ago

For all those commenting about the Chicago traffic. While that is true for Chicago itself and the toll roads that is not true for some of the northern suburbs and towns. IMHO. In McHenry county they will legally profile you and cause you to lose your license and possibly the car. They profile everyone so they get away with it. If you are not speeding but fit one of numerous profiles they will start piling them on until your license and car is gone. Doing a delivery job cost me 3k. Lake county itself does not do this but watch out for some of the towns in Lake county because they do. So no you do not need to break the law to get speeding tickets/traffic violations in Illinois. Just a lot of really shady low to medium IQ & EQ law enforcement. They are law enforcement and give a rats ass about protecting and serving for the most part. They are there only to enforce the law. BTW former police officer here.

[–]logicalthinker1 1 point2 points ago

I'm sorry but the only people who get in accidents are dumb shits. They could be drifting into another lane, not checking their blind spots, driving like a fucking maniac, or going slower than dialup.

It's not about fast drivers and slow drivers. It's about people who are aware of everything around them and people who drive with a blindfold on.

[–]GROD_IZ_GRATE 1 point2 points ago

Just got a speeding ticket. Come to Reddit to unwind, and then there's this. Great.

[–]Jman5 3 points4 points ago

Holy shit. Apparently Reddit is full of people who go 55 in a 55.

[–]aaronin 0 points1 point ago

I have a great idea. How about instead of forcing our cops to pull us over and selectively tax those of us with red cars to ensure that our police departments can stay in business, we should all agree to raise our taxes by enough to ensure our cops are well funded.