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[–]Lucchi 28 points29 points ago

Super Paper Mario is a fucking amazing game. The problem is that it's not a "paper mario" game. If you treat it as it's own thing and stop trying to compare it to TTYD, the awesome dialogue and clever plot shine through.

On the other hand, TTYD is hands down the best gamecube game I've ever played.

[–]Snowboi 233 points234 points ago

The original N64 and the thousand year door were better... Super paper mario had cool dialogue though.

[–]tylermcbride 259 points260 points ago

Thousand-Year Door was fucking incredible. Might be my favorite Gamecube game, actually. So much about it was just genius.

[–]bryanl12 65 points66 points ago

Luigi became my favorite Mario character because of that game.

[–]Wille304 85 points86 points ago

In a perfect world, Luigi's grand adventures in the Waffle Kingdom would have already been documented in an epic game.

[–]tylermcbride 20 points21 points ago

I was about to say... I'd buy it ten times.

[–]joeythehobo 52 points53 points ago

[–]DrAbednego 9 points10 points ago

I'm right there with you man, I love Luigi. Probably why I busted my ass to unlock him in both Mario Galaxies.

[–]Sylocat 8 points9 points ago

One of my finest achievements was getting to the Grand Finale Galaxy in SMG1 and getting that snapshot of Luigi and Rosalina.

Luigi took a photo with God herself.

[–]Lluuiiggii 2 points3 points ago

sorry if its unrelated but is there a way to permanent way to play as luigi in galaxy 2 or is he only in the certain levels?

[–]thomasbourne 2 points3 points ago

You can, you have to beat the game, but not 120 it. then you can use him whenever. Switch on starship mario.

[–]GrokMonkey 0 points1 point ago

Oh my god, that'd be awesome. And just imagine how good the 3D could be; I mean, I've never really cared about that feature of the 3DS, but if any game could hit that on the nose it'd be a Paper Mario game.

[–]joeythehobo 1 point2 points ago

I don't want to blow your mind, but TAKE A SEAT

[–]GrokMonkey 1 point2 points ago

Ohhhh man. Between this and the new Luigi's Mansion, I'm probably going to get a 3DS within the next year.

Nice, upstanding folks like you are the reason I don't have any money.

[–]Tobislu 15 points16 points ago

Luigi is just simply a better character than Mario.

Luigi is the only Mario character that is both a hero AND human. If Mario is perched at the edge of a cliff and sees Peach fall down, he will jump right after. Luigi will be like, "No. I will not jump off a cliff. That is a terrible idea. I will find another way down. I am not an idiot."

[–]darkevilemu 3 points4 points ago

Luigi is a better character, but it's not really a fair comparison because Mario never talks. It's like saying Alyx Vance is a better character than Gordon Freeman.

[–]Tobislu 5 points6 points ago

Even when Luigi doesn't talk, he's a better character.

i.e. Superstar Saga

[–]ZeroGear9513 0 points1 point ago

See also: Partners in Time and Bowser's Inside Story. More the first two than the Third. It's sad that he gets played for laughs though, but thats probably why he's so likeable though.

[–]thatdovahkiinyouknow 25 points26 points ago

And not from Luigi's mansion?

[–]darkly39r 14 points15 points ago

Luigi's mansion made him look like a coward. However even though he 'stretched the truth' while telling his story, he still saved the kingdom. They need to make it into a game.

[–]Stanlot 47 points48 points ago

[–]darkly39r 25 points26 points ago

I threw my wallet at the screen, but it only cracked it :c

[–]Pootytang001 25 points26 points ago

It seems your condom has petrified

[–]darkevilemu 7 points8 points ago

The game portrayed him as a scaredy-cat, not a coward. He still went in the mansion and saved Mario, despite his fear.

Courage is being scared to death – but saddling up anyway.

-John Wayne

[–]Zimvader00 12 points13 points ago

Luigi became my favorite Mario character because I had an older brother.

[–]Awesomeade 10 points11 points ago

Thousand Year Door was the first game I sunk more than 100 hours into one save. I had such high hopes for Super Paper Mario, but thought it fell flat.

[–]Proditus 2 points3 points ago

They're very different games. I thought that Super Paper Mario was a really good platformer and I had fun playing it, but it wasn't the RPG that everyone was expecting. All of the games are good for what they are.

[–]JerFlip 52 points53 points ago

Original Paper Mario > TTYD, imo

[–]Trachyon 15 points16 points ago

imo

States opinion. Gets downvoted.

Okay.

Edit: Faith in reddit restored, disregard the above.

[–]JakeTheHawk 1 point2 points ago

Hivemind opinion is BEST opinion!

[–]SlibIsSandwich 1 point2 points ago

Being down voted for his opinion even though it does add to the conversation. This is whats wrong with you guys r/gaming. Also I agree with him. Sushi is the best. Though I did love being Waluigi in the Thousand Year Door.

[–]LowCarbs 9 points10 points ago

I personally like TTYD a lot more because the story was a lot more refined, and all the characters seemed to have a lot more depth. That's just me, though.

[–]SlibIsSandwich 2 points3 points ago

My favorite part was probably the "curses."

[–]hydex 7 points8 points ago

Oh, come on! Glitzville was the best part of any Paper Mario games!

[–]SealNose 2 points3 points ago

Working through the ranks while sneaking around was an awesome experience.

[–]SlibIsSandwich 1 point2 points ago

Yeah. That was an amazing. Gotta love Rawk Hawk.

[–]TGOT 0 points1 point ago

Glitzville had it all. Intrigue, big fights, one of my favorite companions, and some of the best music in the game.

[–]Syn7axError 4 points5 points ago

I have never played either paper Mario, but TTYD was way better! The original sucked!

[–]TehWut 1 point2 points ago

the original just had a certain charm to it, not unlike construction paper. I loved the feel of it, the newer ones fell a bit too...refined.

also, WHACKA

[–]SlibIsSandwich 0 points1 point ago

Farmed the fuck out of Whacka's Bumps. I think he eventually stops returning. Can't blame him.

[–]DaveAppleseed 4 points5 points ago

You killed the Whacka.

You killed the last Whacka.

You KILLED the LAST WHACKA.

YOU KILLED THE LAST WHACKA! YOU ASSHOLE!

[–]AckermansFieldPicnic 1 point2 points ago

I'm replaying Thousand-Year Door and having my friend's seven-year-old daughter read all the dialogue to practice her reading. I may still be partial to the original, but I'm gaining a whole new appreciation for how awesome this one is. And goddammit do I want to play Paper Luigi: The Marvelous Compass.

[–]Sylocat 1 point2 points ago

It's my second-favorite video game of all time.

Super Paper Mario is so different from the others, however, that I'm not even sure it should be measured by the same criteria.

[–]Nint3nd0 1 point2 points ago

It's my favorite game, out of everything I have ever played.

[–]ChickenBiscuitSwag 0 points1 point ago

This guy knows what's up.

Played the SHIT out of this game as a kid. Definitely in my top 3.

[–]thederpmeister 0 points1 point ago

I always thought the robot who looked at Peach while she showered was creepy.

[–]SealNose 1 point2 points ago

That game makes my top 5 of all time.

[–]sashimi_taco 0 points1 point ago

I found my old copy of thousand year door and put it in my Wii because I don't have my gamecube anymore. I turned it on and was ready to go but....

I DIDN'T HAVE A GAMECUBE SAVE CARD!!! WWWWoooOOOOOoooOOO!!!!

[–]TheCodexx 18 points19 points ago

I've only ever played Super Paper Mario. Do the other games in the series retain the same snide sarcastic 4th-wall-breaking remarks that made SPM awesome? I felt like SPM was Nintendo making a little fun of itself and its fans and not taking itself quite as seriously as regular Mario games. If they have another game like it, sign me up, but I thought Paper Mario games were more or less regular Mario games.

What I'm asking is, what defines a "Paper Mario" game as opposed to other Mario spin-offs? What's consistent between games and platforms?

[–]thearmadillo 20 points21 points ago

The wacky humor is there in all games. Silly stuff. Not necessarily 4th wall breaking, but the similar stuff.

Mostly I would say what defines the game are the "Zelda-like" dungeon parts - i.e. Go to a world, recruit a new party member ("item") and use the member/item to beat the boss and open up a path to the next dungeon/world.

Super fun games.

[–]TheCodexx 4 points5 points ago

Is there any kind of puzzle solving? For example, the vault level in SPM? You have to figure out how to hack into the vault? I really liked those section...

[–]nexlux 5 points6 points ago

Tons of puzzles. You will love.

[–]BLABLAFU 2 points3 points ago

There is a bit of that in Tousand Years Door...but not a whole lot from what I remember.

[–]matchu 4 points5 points ago

The vault is my favorite puzzle from the whole series, so there's really nothing quite like it — especially since the previous games focus more on battles. Still, the other games definitely have puzzles and all sorts of cleverly hidden secrets if you're willing to explore :D

[–]Proditus 0 points1 point ago

One of my favorite moments in Super Paper Mario is right at the beginning when you are asked to save the world. You can keep saying no, and eventually they stop asking and you're immediately prompted with a game over screen. I didn't even have a chance to save at that point, so my friends who were watching were miffed at me because I made everyone sit through the intro all over again.

[–]OptimusDimebag 9 points10 points ago

The first Paper Mario doesn't break the fourth wall too often, but Paper Mario: The Thousand Year Door is full of that kind of humor. I highly recommend both.

[–]TheGoomba 7 points8 points ago

If you've only played SPM go play Paper Mario and Paper Mario: TTYD. Consider Super Mario RPG and the Superstar Sagas as well. Then go back and be utterly disappointed in Super Paper Mario. The writing in SPM was great, but the gameplay falls flat on its face in comparison, and the dialogue in the others is equally as good.

[–]eqisow 1 point2 points ago

Super Mario RPG and the Legend of the Seven Stars

[–]SymbolTable 3 points4 points ago

Pretty sure he was referring to three games, not butchering the name of one :P

[–]eqisow 2 points3 points ago

Whoops!

[–]TheNostalgiaBomb 1 point2 points ago

Do yourself a favor and try out Paper Mario for the n64. Emulation might not be perfect for it but playable, or grab it off the Wii shop for $10. You shouldn't be disappointed, and if you enjoy that find a way to play TTYD.

I always felt that because Paper Mario was meant to be a sequel of SMRPG, but Nintendo realized they could never make a game as epic with the same style without Square's help. So instead of trying to make a game that took both companies, they decided on a completely different design and were very successful in it.

As far as what defines Paper Mario, the game and characters realize they are paper, moves are made to reflect this, you float down like a leaf at times, or dialogue will acknowledge their paper universe. The developers are given more freedom because they can use speech for characters or inject humor that would be otherwise unfitting for the game. Paper Mario has a charm of its own that other spin offs can't touch, not even other Mario RPGs.

[–]ohnoesbleh 18 points19 points ago

I myself preferred the turn-based battles to the real-time action in Super Paper Mario. Definitely favoured the party members of the first one over the pixls as well, although the addition of other playable characters was nice.

[–]jim4525 6 points7 points ago

Why is no one in this thread including Super Mario RPG?

[–]Boolderdash 34 points35 points ago

Because it isn't Paper Mario? If we're including Super Mario RPG, we might as well start talking about the Mario & Luigi games, which are also incredible.

[–]jim4525 5 points6 points ago

Paper Mario was originally titled Super Mario RPG2, they only had to change it due to Square having copyrights to Mario RPG characters.

[–]LowCarbs 0 points1 point ago

That doesn't make it a sequel to Super Mario RPG. It was going to be, but it isn't anymore.

[–]Sylocat 1 point2 points ago

Super Mario RPG had more in common with the other Paper Mario games than Super Paper Mario did.

[–]TheGoomba 2 points3 points ago

Exactly. The reason Super Paper Mario isn't r/gaming's favorite game is that it was a massive letdown :/

[–]Singularity3 0 points1 point ago

It was an excellent game; it just wasn't a Paper Mario game.

[–]Darkmoosen 0 points1 point ago

I try explaining that to anyone that asks me why I didn't like SPM. It's just not the same.... I feel like the fell ridiculously short of expectations, just because the combat was so lacking...

[–]Rayzol 0 points1 point ago

I agree that the combat was lacking. But imo SPM had one of the best villains. That villain being Dimentio. heck i loved all of SPMs story

[–]Darkmoosen 0 points1 point ago

The story was pretty good overall, I agree. But there were too many things that ruined the game for me. Like looking for the heart pillars every time you clear a world really bugged me, Catch Cards seemed pointless, and winning boss fights by hopping on people's heads multiple times just seemed way less rewarding that the turn based fights I was used to in Paper Mario games.

[–]TheGoomba 0 points1 point ago

Yes, I feel the exact same

[–]helander 2 points3 points ago

I wouldn't say they were better. I loved super paper Mario just as much as i loved the original.

[–]akh12 1 point2 points ago

I still laugh like an idiot at that game, even after beating it like 3 times. I think the dialogue is great.

[–]Irish33 1 point2 points ago

I always find it interesting which games are acceptable to say 'the originals were better' for and which ones aren't.

[–]exo48[S] 54 points55 points ago

Super Paper Mario for Wii. I just played through it for the first time, and it's like a perfect storm of reddit's loves. The dialogue is insane, it's unbelievably meta, it combines elements of everything from dating sims to Pokemon, and you can flip levels back and forth between 2D and 3D. The gameplay is good, but could be better; it combines platforming, adventure and RPG without ever being particularly excellent at any of them. But otherwise, it's an insanely unique experience.

[–]joker_75 47 points48 points ago

My wife's favorite game in the world is Paper Mario: Thousand Year Door. I've never seen her so pissed about a game as SPM. It looked fun and all that, but it is very different from previous paper mario games. She did beat it, as well as the challenge dungeon thing, but when she was done she wanted to sell it and never see it again

[–]lanstrangevx 27 points28 points ago

Exactly what happened to me. It was a good game, just decievingly not the same as other paper marios

[–]Durkles 11 points12 points ago

Weird, I'm on my third playthrough. Another mans trash is another mans treasure?

[–]CranberryBogMonster 5 points6 points ago

It is a good game in its own right but the point people are making is that fans of the first two were expecting something in the same vein and it was quite a departure from them.

I feel similarly. I'm glad people enjoyed it, but it went in a direction that changed a lot of the things I loved about the N64 and Gamecube games, so it wasn't really a memorable experience for me.

[–]comment_transcriber 1 point2 points ago

I can't stand JRPGs. I still loved the original two, but that was despite a lot of things. Super Paper Mario was one of the greatest games I've ever played.

It's a taste thing, of course.

[–]OptimusDimebag 8 points9 points ago

A sequel is coming out for the 3DS and will go back to the turn based fighting. You'd get one hell of a blowie if you surprise her with it.

[–]joker_75 8 points9 points ago

Oh trust me... It will be there day 1

[–]SonicFlash01 2 points3 points ago

I loved Super Paper Mario and haven't played Thousand Year Door. It seems odd to think that a game that I loved can be a critical disappointment to so many.
I almost have a distaste for TYD now because its patrons roam about slandering SPM.

Gaming is an odd creature...

[–]shamanshaman123 2 points3 points ago

You have to play both. TYD was my first paper mario game and it pretty much defined RPGs for me along with Pokemon. When i got SPM i was surprised that it wasn't turn based, but i didn't really rage about it since I loved me a good platforming experience. But you need to play both. It's very, very necessary that you play both. TYD is not an experience you should miss.

[–]ThatIsMyHat 2 points3 points ago

I think I'm lucky that I went into that game expecting a spin-off that would be radically different from the first two Paper Mario games. If I had been expecting an RPG, I would've been mad.

[–]joker_75 3 points4 points ago

Yeah, it is again a case of expectations for sure. She didn't hate SPM, but it just "wasn't Thousand Year Door"

[–]_Kalchio_ 0 points1 point ago

This exactly. It's one of three Great Disappointments in my Wii gaming career.

  • Spiderman 3 (after Spiderman 2)
  • Sonic and the Secret Rings (After Sonic Adventure 2: Battle [I know there were others in between])
  • Super Paper Mario (After Thousand-Year Door)

I traded them all in with Metroid Prime 3: Corruption and got Metroid Prime Trilogy. The best decision. I just honestly couldn't get into it since the combat was so different from Thousand-Year Door. I also prefer turn-based combat because I tend to get distracted while I game.

[–]ThatIsMyHat 1 point2 points ago

Didn't they get rid of all the sequence breaking things in the Prime Trilogy? Those were my favorite part of the game.

[–]comment_transcriber 0 points1 point ago

Yes. Still awesome though.

[–]_Kalchio_ 0 points1 point ago

I'm not extremely good at sequence breaking, so I haven't noticed. Or I haven't played enough to notice. Whichever.

[–]Darkmoosen 0 points1 point ago

Although I fear I'm going to look like an idiot, what do you mean sequence breaking things? I haven't played my Prime games in forever so I can't remember what you're referencing

[–]ThatIsMyHat 0 points1 point ago

Getting items and powerups out of order. For example, in the first Prime game, you can get the Space Jump as soon as you land on Tallon IV. That allows you to get the Missiles super early, and skip the boss for the Morph Ball. With some especially tricky sequence breaking, you can even get to Phenandra Drifts without picking up the Varia Suit.

[–]Darkmoosen 0 points1 point ago

Ahhh okay. I could see why people would be a little disappointed by that then

[–]digitalnexus 9 points10 points ago

Because a good deal of the internet has enough of a raging boner for the original Paper Mario games to totally shun what should be judged as a majorly awesome spinoff and not a main-line Paper Mario game.

For me, I spent a ton of time beating SPM and then finishing all of the secrets. (The treasure maps were a great addon) It was, in my opinion, a great, memorable game with a really good sense of style, amazing music, and a storyline that's one of my favorites to this day. Maybe I'm just weird, but the turn-based battle system of the first two games bored me enough that I barely got past half-way of either of 'em. SPM just kept me going with so many different awesome systems that I loved every second of it.

[–]frog971007 3 points4 points ago

I thought SPM looked good but never bought it. Now seeing all of these comments I'm starting to regret it.

[–]digitalnexus 1 point2 points ago

Probably my favorite Wii exclusive by far. If you have a Wii it's definitely worth it

[–]comment_transcriber 1 point2 points ago

I don't think it was as good as Galaxy, Zelda or Monster Hunter; but it was completely flawless at what it did. Galaxy was better, even if it wasn't perfect.

[–]akh12 0 points1 point ago

I also enjoy the fast pace of SPM. RPG's gets redundant very fast.

[–]Confuzet 2 points3 points ago

I think it's just a great game. My only gripe is that Wii has no good controllers.

[–]TheRollingBones 5 points6 points ago

Gamecube controller was one of the best of all time, and works with Wii. Wii controller and nunchuk is good too, it just doesn't work for all games. Certain ones, like Skyward Sword for example, benefit from Wii controls to the max

[–]raintheory 0 points1 point ago

Gamecube controllers (and games) don't work with the newer Wiis.

[–]TheRollingBones 0 points1 point ago

What?? Source on that, please.

[–]raintheory 0 points1 point ago

https://www.google.com/search?q=wii+gamecube+support

I got one before I knew they had dropped support. :(

[–]KennyFuckingPowers 1 point2 points ago

Yeah but PS3 has no gaems

[–]ryancarpenter 3 points4 points ago

Don't pay attention to all the hate. This games is one of my favorites on the Wii :D

[–]Tobislu 1 point2 points ago

I love the concept, but the gameplay is far too simplistic/repetitive. I replayed it recently. I got past the heaven level and just stopped playing.

The 3D aspect turned into "just check if there's something hidden" every room. Restricting flipping to Mario made it take too long.

The levels were gigantic and were easy to get lost in because the landscape hardly changed. Most of the levels were grindfests, despite the point of replacing turn-based gameplay to make the game fluid and dynamic.

The tree was annoying because a missed jump could make you repeat long, boring sections.

Space was annoying because Mario became slow and unwieldy.

In the heaven level, there was plenty of random chance in jumps.

In the samurai level, you literally did the same battle OVER and OVER again with minor changes that I mostly didn't notice, all of which I had to repeat when I left the level for more health.

In Mimi's Mansion, I LITERALLY had to sit there with my finger on the control pad, amusing myself with my laptop. No game should ever be so boring that I have to play another game to pass the time.

That game is a mess of bad ideas. I encourage them to make a sequel, but with a different dev team.

[–]sirsoundwaveIV 0 points1 point ago

Favorite game for me is TTYD, but I looooove Super Paper Mario, the characters are fantastic. Count Bleck and Dimentio should be on any and all "all time best characters" lists, because they really are incredibly well done and well executed characters, anyone who says otherwise is a liar

[–]Delslayer -1 points0 points ago

I couldn't bring myself to play it for more then 2 hours. I'd never been legitimately angry after playing a game until I tried Super Paper Mario; I checked it out from work for what should have been a 4 day rental, and wound up driving back to work to give it back within hours of day 1. I just kept waiting for that classic Paper Mario RPG combat sequence to start up and it never came.

[–]Sylocat 1 point2 points ago

It seemed out of place in a Paper Mario game, but I'd love to see an entire puzzle-platforming game built around the 3D flip mechanic.

Where SPM stands out, however, is in the writing. All the Paper Mario games have great writing, of course, but SPM is different in that as well. It's much darker, scarier, sadder, and it winds up being surprisingly moving. I was NOT expecting to find myself crying during a Paper Mario game, that's for sure.

[–]megagamer 9 points10 points ago

Even though the other Paper Mario games are fun, I personally enjoy Super Paper Mario. The dialogue is very clever and the story is amazing. I consider the story to be the darkest of the series. There are cool references to retro Mario games in there and I like how you control characters other than Mario. I am not bothered about the gameplay at all. It is a shame that this game gets hated by many people, but for me this is a worthy purchase for the Wii and I can't wait to play Sticker Star.

[–]ninja_farmer 4 points5 points ago

I think that the problem that most people have with it is that no matter how good it is, it is different in a number of ways from the first two, and generally people expect continuations of series to be similar.

[–]Sylocat 0 points1 point ago

It got hated because it was so different. I love it, but I just don't think of it as a Paper Mario game... in fact, I'm not even sure there's an apples-to-apples comparison.

[–]Klumpmeister 60 points61 points ago

This speaks more volumes to /v/ than /r/gaming. /r/gaming is all about loving games they never played.

[–]Mr__Random 29 points30 points ago

try talking about call of duty to r/gaming, go on I dare you

[–]NewDrekSilver 20 points21 points ago

When the CoD Black Ops 2 trailer was posted, even comments with constructive criticism were downvoted to hell, along with all the general haters. We've come full circle now, now hating on CoD gets you downvoted because people think you're being unreasonable.

Also the Black Ops 2 trailer was pretty good tbh.

[–]Y2JisRAW 1 point2 points ago

Yeah, I was quite to surprised to see a) the MP trailer on r/gaming's front page and b) to see all those positive comments. Looks like Treyarch did something right, but we have to wait until November 13 to see if the blind hate on Call of Duty is gone. However, hating on CoD will never be an unpopular opinion on the internet, while liking the game gets more and more "accepted".

[–]KoalaBomb 1 point2 points ago

There is CoD hate thread on /r/gaming's front page literally every day.

[–]Bladewing10 5 points6 points ago

Alright, I'll give it a go. I liked MW3. I thought it was a really fun game. Before going into my argument, a caveat: I haven't played any of the other CoD games and my knowledge of FPS's is minimal, so feel free to take my argument with a grain of salt if you wish. Here's why I think it's a good game:

  • The campaign was very fun, if short. It was very diverse in terms of what missions you had to accomplish and was very nice looking graphically. I would have liked to see it be longer, but apparently short campaigns are par for the course for CoD games, so I can't fault it too much, after all, you're not buying MW3 for the story.

  • The multiplayer is very fun and diverse as well. It is very much a pick up and play type of game and you can jump into a game for 5 minutes of hard hitting action or play for an hour and still not get bored. The online interface is pretty seemless in that there's very little waiting around for a game to start and it's easy to drop in and drop out of games. You can get a group together and play very strategically and be rewarded for it or just mess around and have a lot of fun. There's enough freedom to do both.

  • There are a ton of multiplayer modes both hardcore and normal. Kill/Confirmed, Defender, Domination, Infected (currently my personal favorite), Demolition, Headquarters, Capture the Flag, Search and Destroy, Free-for-All, Drop Zone, Gun Game, and One in the Chamber keep the game pretty fresh. In addition, there's 'Special Ops' a two player multiplayer mode kind of like Zombies from Black Ops where you run around killing wave after wave of enemies. This diversity is the game's strength.

There's obviously some flaws: the spawn zones tend to be fucked up, Noob tubes can be annoying, some weapons are better than others. I can understand why people coming directly from Black Ops could be upset with MW3. From what I understand, the two games are very similar. That is more than a valid criticism. However, it's not fair to say that MW3 is a bad game. The game is incredibly diverse and engaging, there's enough variety to keep everyone happy and keep the game fresh, the game is great looking, and the game works (it's not buggy and any glitches tend to be patched regularly). In a bubble, it's a very good game. The fact that it follows so closely to Black Ops is a valid criticism, but I still think the game is worth the purchase and it certainly doesn't deserve the 'hur dur CoD is for n00bz' circlejerk it tends to get around here.

[–]sirsoundwaveIV 1 point2 points ago

if it wasn't for drop zone, infected, and survival I might have stopped playing MW3, IW did a really good job of keeping this game more fresh than the others

[–]Aradalf 1 point2 points ago

The reason all CoD games after CoD 4: MW are hated so much are because they are all carbon copies of MW. I myself started out with CoD at MW2, and found it entertaining, but after I preordered Black Ops(back when I was a mere console peasant), I played it for an hour before never touching it again. That was also the day I vowed to stop preordering games.

[–]MightyGamera 3 points4 points ago

I'll do you one better.

Ahem

I bought Brink on a whim. Even despite its flaws it's actually kinda neat.

[–]ThatIsMyHat 1 point2 points ago

Alright, then.

CoD is an incredibly well made and highly polished shooter. The series consistently creates spectacular set pieces and some of the most intense single player campaigns I've ever played. CoD4's multiplayer set the standard by which all online FPS's are judged these days. The stat tracking and progression systems it popularized have made online gaming more engaging and fun.

[–]TheCodexx 2 points3 points ago

Seriously. You can't say a bad thing about any game without someone saying it's their favorite game so it's perfection itself.

[–]Kibblebitz 113 points114 points ago

Because it's a terrible game. One of the worst games I've never played by far.

[–]Semi_radical 153 points154 points ago

Agreed. I fucking hate that game. Bad graphics, bad game mechanics, just an overall bad game. Never played it though.

[–]ChickenBiscuitSwag 4 points5 points ago

I know, right?

[–]ThatIsMyHat 10 points11 points ago

I was about to downvote you, but then I saw what you did there. Good show, sir.

[–]Sylocat 0 points1 point ago

Even if that were true (which it isn't), that still wouldn't explain why r/gaming doesn't like it.

EDIT: I could have sworn that said "ever" instead of "never."

[–]TheGhostOfDRMURDER 4 points5 points ago

whoosh

[–]Sylocat 0 points1 point ago

I could have SWORN that said "ever" instead of "never."

[–]Kibblebitz 4 points5 points ago

About 40 other people did as well.

[–]bobyd 0 points1 point ago

you dont get it, he was joking

[–]ryancarpenter 6 points7 points ago

Super Paper Mario might be my favorite single player wii game.

[–]bioluhgy 4 points5 points ago

While SPM's gameplay was a tad too radical for the series, I feel it has the best dialogue of any of the games.

I have high hopes for Sticker Star.

[–]MojoLester 1 point2 points ago

Great game, but too many people expected original style paper mario and did not expect a big twist on the franchise, which led to disappointment. Kinda sad to see that someone says this game is crap because it's not like the previous paper mario's, it's like they haven't played the whole game.

The game was quite the unique twist on platformers, and that's what I loved about it.

[–]andawarmgeek 3 points4 points ago

Ah, I loved that game. I should really replay the Thousand Year Door too. I want to get in a Paper Mario groove for the 3DS release.

[–]jakl13 15 points16 points ago

It's not because it isn't made by Valve.

[–]danman11 4 points5 points ago

Its okay, it's made by Nintendo so we're allowed to circle jerk about it.

[–]Sylocat 5 points6 points ago

But it was made within the past ten years. That disqualifies it.

[–]jakl13 1 point2 points ago

But it's NEW Nintendo, /r/gaming loves to circlejerk about nostalgia.

[–]Chiz_Dippler 2 points3 points ago

I didn't like this game until I ran into the mega star koopa. Then the cleverness really hit me.

[–]KmatthewC 2 points3 points ago

that was my favorite game, it was so good

[–]stormthemachine 2 points3 points ago

The original Mario RPG was Super Mario RPG. Many of the jokes and the aspects of gameplay for the Paper Mario series were taken from it. If you haven't played it, you can either get the rom or download it on your Wii. Also, if you haven't played it... PLAY IT. It even mentions Bruce Lee. Also, Geno??? GENO???

[–]Matter1234 3 points4 points ago

Great game, too short. Odd fighting style compared to its predecessors

[–]Pokeadot 1 point2 points ago

This it totally a digg at GameFAQs

[–]KennyFuckingPowers 5 points6 points ago

Totally a tumblr in MySpace!

[–]To_The_Knacker 1 point2 points ago

I love Super Paper Mario! So many memories playing it with my friend!

[–]jpofreddit -1 points0 points ago

I think its probably because of the status of Paper Mario, we think it as a turn-based RPG, in the same way Banjo Kazooie is thought of as a platformer.

So when you make Paper Mario a platformer its the same as BK as a racing game, its not what you expected, its still of quality but because of expectation the fanbase by large blast it.

Personally I found Super Paper Mario kinda dull.

[–]KennyFuckingPowers 0 points1 point ago

So much hope for Banjo Kazooie N&B. I love when that Angry Nerd Guy reviews it.

[–]thegamedontwait 0 points1 point ago

Great game. Full of lolz

[–]Tonytarium 1 point2 points ago

I only ever played the N64 one and Thousand year door, both were fantastic and in my top Nintendo games.

[–]BlueThundah 0 points1 point ago

I think the joke is aimed at 4chan's /v/ board rather than us.

In fact, I know the joke is aimed at /v/ rather than us.

[–]namesrhardtothinkof 1 point2 points ago

Hey, I fucking loved that game.

[–]pancakehiatt -1 points0 points ago

It's a good book.

[–]jawapride 0 points1 point ago

The simple answer is that even though its a standalone incredible game, its a sequel to games that play differently and people don't like things that are different.

[–]MalevolentMartyr 0 points1 point ago

I loved Super Paper Mario !

[–]justinrbxd 1 point2 points ago

I love the Paper Mario series! Super Paper Mario not so much because they got rid of the turn based gameplay, but still great!

[–]onelonelycarrot 0 points1 point ago

Paper Mario 1 and 2 were both perfect gems of games

[–]slawthed 0 points1 point ago

How has this not been seen before by redditors?

[–]sakipooh 0 points1 point ago

There is way too much story and not enough gameplay...in the first hour. It kills it for me every time I try to play it. Maybe someday I'll push through and get to the good parts everyone is talking about. Skyward Sword suffers from the same initial fun lag. So many Nintendo games suffer from this like Mario Sunshine.

[–]THE_GR8_MIKE 0 points1 point ago

Was this actually in it? I only have The Thousand Year Door. It was a great game for the time.

[–]lisabadcat 0 points1 point ago

I loved the game, hated the dialog. Bleh heh heh. Ugh. I couldn't get through that shit fast enough.

[–]Beezo514 1 point2 points ago

Francis is one of the best comic villains in gaming.

[–]rockoman100 0 points1 point ago

IMO Super Paper Mario was better than TTYD on a storytelling perspective. TTYD was fun, the various settings (environments) were cool and unique, but the story was meh.

[–]Sylocat 0 points1 point ago

The games are so different that I don't think there's an apples-to-apples comparison.

[–]guccimayn 0 points1 point ago

i remember playing the original paper mario and having to restart everything in the sand world because I went in the temple, then came out! it didn't spawn back :/ such a great game though. easily one of my favorite n64 games of all time

[–]AxisZenith 0 points1 point ago

Hey, I love Super Paper Mario.

[–]Morphumax 0 points1 point ago

I love this game. And alsothis reaction from Bowser

[–]Roaven 0 points1 point ago

'Cuz I never played it

[–]akaleprechaun 0 points1 point ago

Never played it but I bet it sucked.

[–]Forest_GS 0 points1 point ago

In one of the GBA mario and luigi games, I think it was Superstar Saga... There's a point 3/5 through the game Mario gets fire powers and Luigi gets Thunder powers. Feels epic.

A mario RPG that had many attack elements with advantages and disadvantages would be very fun.

[–]JizzCreek 1 point2 points ago

Yessss.... I will save this for every argument I have on /v/ ever...

[–]Nicktendo 0 points1 point ago

Treadmill section was bad man

[–]Missunify 0 points1 point ago

I've never played this game but it's fucking shit.

[–]Grungemaster 0 points1 point ago

because it wasn't made by Valve.

[–]Kim-Jong-Chil 0 points1 point ago

I personally bought a 3ds (when they first came out, so $250-$50 for trading in my old ds) just so i could play paper mario 3ds. Someone fucking stole it (or maybe i just lost it) either way i am so pissed. I'm probably gonna end up buying a new one just so i can play it. But the first paper mario was literally the reason i got into gaming.

[–]Mynameischristopher 0 points1 point ago

I'm sorry, is /r/gaming a person or a community?

[–]LinkNZ 0 points1 point ago

Funny, after having it since launch years ago I finally went back and finished the game just the other day. I love the Mario RPG games but could just never get into SPM.

The story is ok and the part the picture is from was really funny, but at other points in the game I felt like I was just tapping through the dialogue and sorta forced myself to get through just cause I wanted to. Not sure why this bothered me in SPM more than the other games as they're all quite talkie and I hadn't been annoyed previously.

Also I don't really like sideways Wiimote controlling unless I can use my cheap plastic controller grip thing lol, it was harder to use because I had to point at the screen every so often to find hidden things so it would have to be taken out each time and then squeezed back in.

[–]ExSavior 0 points1 point ago

I think most people unfairly judge it for "not being an rpg". Its rather not fair for it, because when in terms of humor and characters its just as good as the other Paper Marios and its the best in terms of story. It doesn't have necessarily worse gameplay, just different.

[–]NominallyMusing 0 points1 point ago

Super Paper Mario is the reason I bought the Wii. For a while it a WiiSports was all I had. A sequel would probably get me to buy a WiiU or 3DS, are you listening Nintendo?

[–]Riku98523 0 points1 point ago

Because it's a sorry excuse for a paper mario game and not what I or other fans wanted. It's a fine game on it's own (though I like other platforming mario games better honestly) but it's not paper mario and it was a huge disappointment.

I couldn't wait for a new paper mario game and then this non rpg came out. Looking forward to the 3DS one though.

[–]MaxTheTzar 0 points1 point ago

What was that one super mario rpg game called?

[–]kernafigjam 0 points1 point ago

Because it was fucking terrible.

The first two Paper Mario games, on the other hand, were astounding.

[–]JennaIsMe 1 point2 points ago

Because the second installment was so much better. It had everything, and then some.

[–]LordOfTurtles 0 points1 point ago

Sub par story and horrendous control, add to that a gimicky 3D function, and there is your answer.

[–]odderz 0 points1 point ago

The Paper Mario series is amazing. I hope the 3DS title will be better than Super Paper Mario, though... I thought it was awful.

[–]dagoff 0 points1 point ago

Because Earthbound.

[–]dxidaniel 0 points1 point ago

Thousand year door was waaayyy better

[–]TevoKJ -1 points0 points ago

Oh, fuck.

Super Paper Mario. Seriously, that shit got tedious.

Not that it matters...LONG LIVE BOOMER.

[–]Kinetik_Inferno 0 points1 point ago

Flipside and Flopside were so hard to get around. It hurt.

[–]Cygnus_X1 -1 points0 points ago

Because the N64 version kicked ALL of their asses.

[–]Finnmanjohn 8 points9 points ago

seven asses?

[–]Zairex 2 points3 points ago

[–]TheCodexx 1 point2 points ago

It's my favorite Wii game.

It doesn't have much competition, but it was glorious. I'd love a proper sequel.