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When someone says they are christian and support LGBT (i.imgur.com)

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[–]Virgil_Lee_Nobody 0 points1 point ago

NEW TESTAMENT. No where does the Jeebus say anything about homosexuality being bad.

[–]Light-of-Aiur 2 points3 points ago

Eh... While he doesn't say anything about homosexuality per se, I've had christians quote me Mark 10:6-9 as proof that Christ supported the "traditional" marriage between a man and a woman.

Of course, I usually just roll my eyes and tell them that a 2000 year old quote, that may have been invented in the first place, isn't the best source of knowledge on a modern and complex issue.

That, or quote about Christ healing the Roman soldier's "servant" (we all know what was going on there... ;P), or the relationship between King David and Jonathan, or Ruth and Naomi. I mean, it's pretty hard to call one of the greatest kings of the bible a sinner, isn't it?

[–]Virgil_Lee_Nobody 0 points1 point ago

Nope. That, again, was an answer to the question of divorce.

And according to the Jeebus, we all fall short of perfection.

"Let he who is without sin, cast the first stone."

In other words, "Shaddup, siddown, and stop hating on each other."

[–]Light-of-Aiur 2 points3 points ago

Nope. That, again, was an answer to the question of divorce.

Oy, I didn't say they were right, just that this is what they've latched onto.

[–]Virgil_Lee_Nobody 1 point2 points ago

Oy. Sorry.

But that's always a good reply to that argument.

[–]Light-of-Aiur 1 point2 points ago

Yup. Sorry, I'm all over the place tonight! Too much wine, I suppose.

Carry on, kind redditor!

[–]Virgil_Lee_Nobody 1 point2 points ago

HEY! Enjoy the FUCK out of that wine!! Cheers!

[–]Patrico-8 1 point2 points ago

Paul does in Acts. Jesus also says (in Matthew I think) something along the lines of all of the old testament rules still apply.

The question should be why do we care what a (possibly fictitious) guy who died 2000 years ago has to say about how people live their lives?

[–]Virgil_Lee_Nobody 0 points1 point ago

Im not sure about ACTS but if youre referencing the Matthew line that, in context, refers to divorce, more than anything. And he was addressing Pharisees, the 'by the book' guys. That's kind of important.

That's a point, yes, and you can argue it. But a lot of society, law, and plain day to day living is based on not so much how he told people to live, but rather, how he told people to think more openly, be more open hearted, and generally not to hurt each other. Fictitious or otherwise.

You could say the same thing about Superman. Obviously fictitious, around for a lot less time, and has had an effect on culture, society, and outlook. Albeit in a much more reduced way. Real or not, he's a part of the zeitgeist.

[–]Patrico-8 0 points1 point ago

Sorry, Paul speaks out against homosexuality in Romans not Acts, I was mistaken. See Rom 1:26 and Rom 1:27

As for Jesus: He calls the law of the Old Testament indestructible: ‘Until Heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest letter or stroke shall pass away from the law, until all is accomplished’ (Matthew 5:18). In other words Jesus agrees with the homophobic rhetoric of the Old Testament.

I agree with you that it is important to understand Christianity because it has a huge impact on society. Just because there is an impact doesn't mean that it is a positive one though.

As for Superman, I don't recall anyone committing genocide or waging war in his name. Plus he could fly which is really fucking cool. Jesus couldn't do that which is lame.

[–]Deagonx[S] 0 points1 point ago

Matthew 19:4...

"Have ye not read that he who made them in the beginning made them male and female?"

'Jeebus' as you so put, said that himself.

[–]buddymercury -1 points0 points ago

Jesus sure is good at remembering shit, but where does he condemn it? Cause what I see is him goin "hey remember that Adam and Eve story, that shit with the snake sure was funny. Do you believe people actually think it was real!? Right?!"

[–]Virgil_Lee_Nobody 0 points1 point ago

Acktcherly, that was as an answer to a Pharisee, regarding the question of divorce. "Therefore, what God has joined together, let no man seperate."

That's what Jeebus said.

[–]Riffy 1 point2 points ago

Incredibly short-sighted. Some relationships are abusive and bad for people. This is why people shouldn't take everything this "Jeebus" guy says as the only truth to live by. Sure he said some good things, but most of the really good things he said were really just plagiarized from earlier religions. Like the Golden Rule, which isn't even his.

[–]Virgil_Lee_Nobody 0 points1 point ago

To be fair, if the guy even existed, it was a different time and a different place, and things were much more of a precious resource and life more brutal and a lot more short.

Vedic scholars actually say he studied in the East, and is considered one of the most kind, compassionate, and powerful of teachers. Literal Son of God? Not so much.

You show me ONE religion worth it's salt that didn't carry on the better parts of a prior religion. The Osiris Myth, as an example, has its roots in Sumerian mythology, as well as the Flood Myth. (Not that these are 'Good' per se, but an example of how humanity hands down it's 'Golden Rules')

[–]Light-of-Aiur 0 points1 point ago

The X-tians I know that support LGBT rights are the more... fluffy christians. You know the ones. They're usually appalled that, in the 21st century, we still have people that don't understand evolution, or are just as offended by the acts of fundamentalists as you or I, but still cling to the story of God as a kind of comfort against the absolute vastness of the universe.

I knew a girl, sweetest thing, that was such a "fluffy" christian. Well... she was kind of devout when I met her, but she was "fluffy" after a while. Then she decided to do the whole pagan witch thing. Then she was a deist (her exact words were "I don't believe in any higher powers, but I still can't grasp the idea that existence occurred without outside help").

I swear, some people's conversions are predictable to the t.

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