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[–]Silvani 43 points44 points ago

When I was in second grade I asked my teacher if I needed to put a comma before the "and."

She said, "If you were the 'and' would you want a comma?"

I had no idea how to respond to that.

[–]Golden-Calf 11 points12 points ago

She clearly had no idea what the correct answer to that question was.

[–]skillphiliac 7 points8 points ago

Amazing reply on her part.

[–]Twigglett 0 points1 point ago

wtf does that mean?!

[–]Fireyedwindsurfer 52 points53 points ago

"We invited JFK, Stalin and the strippers"

Your move, Oxford comma.

[–]skrimyr 93 points94 points ago

Stalin and the Strippers. Sounds like a bad 80's band.

[–]Foxhound199 11 points12 points ago

And JFK could be their record label.

[–]Davepen 8 points9 points ago

Or a good 80's band?

[–]Ell975 -3 points-2 points ago

Don't be silly, there is no such thing as a good 80's band.

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[–]AnonymousKevin 5 points6 points ago

[–]dreamsofbetterdays 1 point2 points ago

The best :)

[–]FreshGnar 13 points14 points ago

You could be telling Stalin and the strippers that you invited JFK.

[–]drumstyx 6 points7 points ago

"I like to eat apples, bananas, and grapes." vs "I like to eat apples, bananas and grapes." In the second sentence, I'm assuming the reader understands that I would not be talking to bananas and grapes, where as the first makes it very clear I'm talking ABOUT those fruits, not TO them.

[–]canolafly -2 points-1 points ago

If you were talking to them, then would be proper; Bananas and Grapes. Eh? Don't talk to your food.

[–]mcknicker 3 points4 points ago

Not at all. You could be warning the inanimate, and therefore non-specific, bananas and grapes on the table that you take a sadistic delight in eating apples, which, as everyone knows, makes other fruit nervous to see a sick and twisted individual eat in front of them.

Long story short, don't fuck with a man who threatens other fruit with eating their brethren, and not all addressees need be proper nouns.

[–]drumstyx 3 points4 points ago

I can talk to my camera and I wouldn't consider 'camera' to be a proper noun in that case.

[–]buckX 1 point2 points ago

So swap it out with only people.

I was talking to George, Ben and Dave.

Am I currently talking to Ben and Dave and referencing my prior conversation with George, or was I previously talking to all 3?

[–]MsAverage 1 point2 points ago

And for the second sentence, "We invited the strippers: JFK and Stalin".

[–]IStandUpForYou 87 points88 points ago

This is posted a bunch:

title comnts points age /r/
Thank God for the Oxford Comma 2coms -2pts 13dys funny
commas are important. possibly [nsfw] for drawn titties with tassles. 15coms 129pts 7mos funny
The Oxford Comma is important 0coms 6pts 25dys funny
Oxford Comma 30coms 442pts 3mos funny
Why I still use the Oxford Comma [Fixed] 10coms 15pts 6mos funny
I give a fuck about the Oxford comma 1com -9pts 11mos pics
Grammar is important, kids! 1017coms 1888pts 11mos funny
A lesson on grammar and strippers..... 1com -8pts 10mos funny
How the Oxford Comma Changed History 1com 13pts 9mos funny

source: karmadecay

[–]cowboykillers 43 points44 points ago

[–]xcalibre 6 points7 points ago

BEEP YOU BEEPS AND YOUR BEEPING REACTOGIFS

[–]xcalibre 4 points5 points ago

Apologies for the bold all caps, I promised myself earlier if I saw another reactogif today I'd do something inappropriate.

[–]littleson912 2 points3 points ago

What the hell is a reactogif?

[–]barrelsmasher 2 points3 points ago

It's only for grownups.

[–]xcalibre 0 points1 point ago

A gif that people post to represent their reaction.

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[–]xcalibre 2 points3 points ago

It's not funny! :'-(

[–]Volper 2 points3 points ago

Holy christ... that tear water looks incredibly drinkable. Like hose water when you were a kid. Ah, the good ol' days.

[–]Crasha 0 points1 point ago

Hose water's not drinkable anymore? Fuck growing up then.

[–]Volper 1 point2 points ago

Well... it IS, but have fun, i'm sure the neighbors will love having a neighbor who drinks hose water.

[–]Crasha 0 points1 point ago

Well fuck my neighbors, I'll drink all the hose water I want to

[–]gummyvitamins 9 points10 points ago

and should continue to be posted every day to remind people.

[–]Captainpatch 5 points6 points ago

Yes. Karmadecay is posted a bunch. Thanks for pointing out your unoriginality.

[–]brexruls -1 points0 points ago

Thank you!

I felt like I was the only one getting tired of these "karmaknights" who just use karmadecay then feel like a bad ass.

[–]gelogenicjess 17 points18 points ago

I think that the Oxford comma should be used when it will clarify, and not used when it will make something ambiguous. What about the sentence: We invited the stripper, JFK, and Stalin. That implies that JFK is a stripper, so it should be left out in that instance. Ambiguity goes both ways.

[–]CavalierCactus 19 points20 points ago

A sentence like that can be rearranged, saying "We invited JFK, Stalin and the strippers." The reduces ambiguity in both cases.

[–]phuntism 10 points11 points ago

I saw Stalin and the Strippers open for Devo at Lollapalooza in 1997.

[–]The_psychotherapist 3 points4 points ago

I liked them before they were mainstream.

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[–]dd_123 0 points1 point ago

wat

[–]cloudedknife 2 points3 points ago

So you would advocate saying, "we invited JFK, Stalin and the stripper" because that is clear. I would argue that in lists of 3 such as this, the use of the Oxford comma eliminates ambiguity because of the lack of symmetry if read any other way than a 3 item list.

[–]xdzgor 2 points3 points ago

Wouldn't you write "we invited the stripper JFK and Stalin", if you meant that JFK was the stripper?

[–]gelogenicjess 3 points4 points ago

No you need to make "JFK" an appositive, which is where you put commas surrounding it. It's hard to explain, basically:
"I was walking my dog, Martha, down the street." Martha is an appositive, a clarifying statement put right after the vague part of a sentence.

[–]Pontus518 11 points12 points ago

Essential appositives don't require commas. There are also no real definitive rules because a lot of it also depends on the intentions of the writer. Still, simplicity is almost always better, so your sentence above should read "I was walking my dog Martha down the street." This is especially true if you have more than one dog and need to specify which one you are walking. In the JFK example, it is essential information whether or not JFK is a stripper, so you would say "the stripper JFK" or "JFK the stripper." Another example would be using the phrase "King Arthur" in a sentence. King is an appositive and does not require commas.

[–]misterfanwank -2 points-1 points ago

Alternatively "King" is an adjective.

[–]Pontus518 2 points3 points ago

If you can find a reputable source for that, go ahead and post it, but in my understanding of the English language, that just isn't true. You could think of an appositive as a noun acting like an adjective if that helps (although I'm not sure of the technical veracity of that statement).

[–]misterfanwank -2 points-1 points ago

Appositives work because both nouns refer to the same thing. EX:

Jack, the baker, is in town.

"Jack" and "the baker" both refer to the same person in this case because they're being used to refer to the same person. Putting them together is an organizational thing.

So, yes, appositives do give more information about a thing, like adjectives, but appositives do it by referring to the same thing, not by genitivity.

It makes sense why "King Arthur" would be an appositive and I'm not against it, I'm just not convinced it can't also be an adjective.

[–]Pontus518 2 points3 points ago

That's fine, but you'd be hard pressed to find a dictionary that has "king" alternatively listed as an adjective with an example using the phrase "King [name]" because it's an appositive, not an adjective.

[–]jambolino23 0 points1 point ago

Usually an appositive is not used when the descriptor is a name.

[–]themookish 1 point2 points ago

Martha is an appositive, a clarifying statement put right after the vague part of a sentence.

I love how this explains what an appositive is while using one.

[–]sonanz -1 points0 points ago

I also don't agree with the second sentence in the OP's image. I don't believe it should contain any commas.

[–]Hiitsnick -3 points-2 points ago

without oxford comma shouldn't it be "we invited the strippers; JFK and Stalin" ?

[–]Gumbola 36 points37 points ago

In all actuality the Oxford Comma can be used at the discretion of the writer. For Journalists, particularly those taught the guidelines of AP style, it is seen as a redundancy of sorts.

Journalists look to make writing as clear and concise as possible (i.e.-no wordy, complex sentences or punctuation). Most readers understand that whatever word or phrase follows the "and" of a list is merely the conclusion. Thus there is little necessity for the third comma.

The morree you knooowww.

[–]gder 8 points9 points ago

I thought they didn't use the Oxford comma in AP style to conserve space. It's one less character that has to be printed.

[–]mysticrudnin 0 points1 point ago

In all actuality everything can be used at the discretion of writer. :D

[–]thechosen2 1 point2 points ago

(i.e.-no wordy, complex sentences or punctuation)

The complexity used here makes this funny.

[–]Philapathy -1 points0 points ago

What third comma?

[–]Gumbola 0 points1 point ago

You know what I mean.

[–]dsade 10 points11 points ago

You know they make your dictator hard.

[–]alcoholic_crow 7 points8 points ago

Stalin might have had a harder time being a dictator if photos of him wearing nipple tassels were on the front page of every major newspaper in the world.

[–]Nightfalls 1 point2 points ago

Who knows? Maybe it would have given him that humanity and likability.

[–]cal679 0 points1 point ago

It didn't hurt Thatcher.

[–]ArsenicAcid 1 point2 points ago

In the second form, a semicolon would be the proper usage. I would still assume that it is the strippers, JFK, and Stalin without one. Yay for semicolon.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points ago

Every time this repost is reposted I always check to see if the semicolon is mentioned. Thank you for validating my sanity

[–]Chriamon 43 points44 points ago

Who gives a fuck about an Oxford comma?

[–]snecko 17 points18 points ago

I've seen those English dramas too-oo. They're cru-el.

[–]VCS777 5 points6 points ago

So if there's any other way...

[–]gman94 46 points47 points ago

Writers, readers, and people who understand basic english.

[–]HowBourgeois 9 points10 points ago

[–]gman94 9 points10 points ago

oh... I'm sorry I ruined your reference... Feelsbadman.tiff

[–]Zombeto 6 points7 points ago

I have a challenge for you, assuming you understand basic English. "I invited James, the butler, and the caterer to the party." How many people were invited?

[–]sphericalvoxel 17 points18 points ago

I'd have to go with 13, since your sentence isn't, "The only people I invited to the party were James, the butler, and the caterer." And anyway, assuming you're also going, who would cater a party for one, two, or three people (depending on whether James is the butler, and on whether the butler is a guest or just a butler)?

But anyway, yes, the real issue is that clarity is more important than rigidity.

[–]Zombeto 2 points3 points ago

You make strong assumptions about what the party is for. The caterer doesn't have to be catering. If I tell you it is more of a gang bang than a party, does it make more sense?

[–]sphericalvoxel 12 points13 points ago

That would at least explain the need for a butler.

[–]ElGuano 3 points4 points ago

If I tell you it is more of a gang bang than a party, does it make more sense?

No. No it does not, at all. But go on.

[–]StubbyChubby 0 points1 point ago

That question is a perfect explanation of Inception.

[–]ArsenicAcid -2 points-1 points ago

2

[–]gman94 -5 points-4 points ago

2

[–]Zombeto 11 points12 points ago

Wrong, three.

[–]Wibbles 1 point2 points ago

If you understood basic English you could determine the meaning from the surrounding context, without the comma.

[–]gman94 -1 points0 points ago

Yes, but the sentence in the image doesn't give much context.

[–]mysticrudnin 0 points1 point ago

English can be completely and totally 100% understood, without any literacy whatsoever.

Punctuation is an artificial overlay on actual speech, and isn't necessary for mastery of English. Literacy, sure. But language is primarily spoken.

[–]gman94 0 points1 point ago

Agreed, the other two were actual points, the third was more sarcasm.

[–]shoeler 7 points8 points ago

this is a song, haters.

[–]Norma5tacy 3 points4 points ago

I've seen those English dramas too, they're cruel

[–]TheSilverFalcon 3 points4 points ago

I've seen those English dramas to-o They're cruel

[–]skrimyr 3 points4 points ago

I thought to myself "Hm, I wonder if anyone will get the reference if I post this". Ctrl F, find yours. Nope. Don't get the reference.

[–]HolographicMetapod 1 point2 points ago

I've seen those English dramas, too.
They're cruel.

[–]sixpackabs592 1 point2 points ago

People with grammar OCD

[–]IvyLeagueZombies 0 points1 point ago

Control+f, not disappoint

[–]cowboykillers 2 points3 points ago

Upvote for song reference. You should probably mention that though at the risk of further downvotes.

[–]puckpuckpuck 1 point2 points ago

This is an obligatory comment anytime a Oxford comma. Well played, chap!

[–]jsvscot86 0 points1 point ago

Thanks for reminding me of this! Have not listened to this song for ages.

[–]jumpingpomegranate 9 points10 points ago

If it is to depict the picture shown then I'm pretty sure the second one would need to be, "We invited the strippers: JFK and Stalin."

[–]Foxhound199 8 points9 points ago

It does not. The comma or colon would be acceptable, as would, "We invited the strippers (JFK and Stalin)" or "We invited the strippers--JFK and Stalin" depending on the emphasis desired.

[–]VerilyAMonkey 7 points8 points ago

"We invited the strippers JFK and Stalin." works too. It doesn't need to be an afterthought.

[–]dylansan -5 points-4 points ago

No, there would need to be some form of punctuation in there.

[–]VerilyAMonkey 3 points4 points ago

"I invited the strippers JFK and Stalin" is the second, not the first interpretation.

"I invited the stripper JFK" is just as good as "I invited the stripper - JFK". It's just an extension of that. It does change grouping from (I invited the stripper) (JKF) to (I invited)(the stripper JFK) but the meaning is the same.

[–]IDidntChooseUsername 1 point2 points ago

I love how we use grammar examples in which JFK is a stripper.

[–]jhamminaut -1 points0 points ago

There doesn't have to be a comma following "strippers." "We invited strippers JFK and Stalin" or "We invited the strippers JFK and Stalin" both suggest that JFK and Stalin are two of a larger category, "strippers," and these would arguably be the simplest and most succinct iterations.

Similarly, "The redditor VerilyAMonkey replied to Foxhound199's comment" is more correct than "The redditor, VerilyAMonkey, replied to Foxhound199's comment."

[–]dylansan -1 points0 points ago

You are right. But it does sound very strange for some reason. I think it's the fact that it's plural.

When I first read your sentence it seemed very much like it was missing a pause, but after looking up some similar sentences like "I invited my brothers Phil and Fred" it starts to seem more reasonable.

There's something about a plural word followed by singular nouns that just seems wrong without punctuation, like it's supposed to be possessive or something.

I will say that when an appositive like that is not part of a larger category, like if Phil and Fred were my only brothers, the comma would be correct. It's only if there are others not included that the comma should be removed. Obviously Stalin and JFK are not the only strippers, but if they were the only strippers you were familiar with, the ones your circle of friends would expect at the party, the comma would make sense.

[–]dd_123 -2 points-1 points ago

You are correct but the downvote brigade is out in force. If the subject of the sentence is "JFK and Stalin" as opposed to "strippers", you don't need a comma.

[–]jumpingpomegranate -1 points0 points ago

True. However, the colon's intention is to begin a list of items. But you're correct as well, yet the second statement in the picture wouldn't read as such.

[–]Easih -5 points-4 points ago

that's what I think it should have been.using a comma before the word "and" just sounds wrong to me.

[–]amstan 9 points10 points ago

I would use a ':' in that case.

[–]Pykoh 0 points1 point ago

I believe a semicolon would fit better.

[–]Slactor 0 points1 point ago

Yeah, isn't the colon meant for lists?

[–]Freelancer68 2 points3 points ago

Generally you only use it for long lists of more than three articles.

[–]crose1900 2 points3 points ago

I LOVE GRAMMAR

[–]rage_rave 2 points3 points ago

Damn it, the vampire weekend joke has been made. Ill be back... shakes fist at the sky

[–]skillphiliac 1 point2 points ago

[–]Shellion 2 points3 points ago

I'm actually a huge fan of the Oxford comma.

[–]giantasparagus 0 points1 point ago

Is this different than a normal comma?

[–]elderezlo 0 points1 point ago

Yes. The Oxford comma is the controversial last comma separating items in a list. Some people say you should use it, others say it's unnecessary.

[–]TheDiabadass 1 point2 points ago

Others say pay attention to the context and use it when it adds clarity, but dont use it when it makes things confusing.

[–]callipygian1 1 point2 points ago

i helped my uncle jack off a horse!

[–]fluffy402 0 points1 point ago

D:

[–]Aihwa 0 points1 point ago

:D

[–]Est1911 0 points1 point ago

WHY WOULD YOU LIE ABOUT HOW MUCH COAL YOU HAD?

[–]APinkRobot 1 point2 points ago

So let me get this straight... With the Oxford comma it's a party, but without the Oxford comma it's a PARTY!

[–]The_Curly_Wiener 0 points1 point ago

My english teacher last year had this hung in her class room

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point ago

I wouldn't say it's that important.

"we invited jfk, stalin and the strippers". English is hard, rite?

[–]opiv 0 points1 point ago

In 10th grade english I told my teacher there was a mistake because it was missing an oxford comma. Her reply, 'what's an oxford comma?'

Never before have i looked down on a teacher so hard

[–]oyeboy 1 point2 points ago

Wouldn't you use a colon? "The strippers: JFK and Stalin.

[–]dashboard82 -1 points0 points ago

Stop recycling for your own karma whoring ways...

[–]emospartan911 0 points1 point ago

by the oatmeal.

[–]rj2896 0 points1 point ago

Last year in English class my teacher used a school appropriate version of this and wouldn't tell us what the original version was. I felt almost clever knowing that I was the only one in the class that knew the original.

[–]krispyKRAKEN -1 points0 points ago

Now if only OP could see the importance of not reposting things that are already beaten to death

[–]Novaova 0 points1 point ago

They can have my Oxford comma when they pry it from my cold, dead hands.

[–]magicalsealion 1 point2 points ago

Who gives a fuckaboutan oxford comma?

[–]sillyguppy -1 points0 points ago

aaaaaaand.... it's a repost. again.

[–]chipsnow -1 points0 points ago

iMSicKoFfGraMmerNaZIES....'

[–]SealOnTheLoose 0 points1 point ago

[–]Major_Motoko 0 points1 point ago

2nd Year in University English Class the prof is harping on grammar. "If anyone has ONE grammar error immediate F."

I ask her if she cares about the Oxford Comma and her response "I don't know what that is"

mfw You're teaching English??

[–]misterfanwank 0 points1 point ago

*facepalm*

This shit drives me crazy because it shows people DO understand apposition... But when I use it properly and the result has a fuckton of commas people bitch at me for improper comma use.

Example:

The man, who was a guard of the prison, that was located in the hills, was killed by a shiv, that was made of bone, by an escaped prisoner, who harvested his ulna to make the shiv.

There are a lot of commas in that, but they're all properly used. I guarantee you some jackass, who thinks he understands English, will give me flak about it.

[–]Kevlaru 0 points1 point ago

Ok, so what if you are informing oxford and stallin that you invited the strippers? is it "We invited the strippers, oxford and stallin." ? And is it considered an oxford comma or not?

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[–]up_the_brackett 1 point2 points ago

I've seen those English dramas too.

[–]dreamsofbetterdays 0 points1 point ago

This should posted in every elementary english class

[–]DagdaEIR 0 points1 point ago

TIL the Oxford comma is a thing. I always use it because it seems grammatically incorrect if I don't. And I used to always get given out to by my teachers for it. :/

[–]ryanoh 1 point2 points ago

TIL that I've been using the Oxford Comma for years, despite teachers telling me it was not a needed comma.

[–]872020 0 points1 point ago

Repost

[–]royboy24139 0 points1 point ago

grrrr reposts

[–]cattolicamolestator 0 points1 point ago

In answer to Vampire Weekend's question "Who gives a fuck about the Oxford comma?" I would have to reply reddit.

[–]TaserWieldingBear 0 points1 point ago

Or, you could just write more clearly.

"We invited JFK, Stalin and the strippers."

[–]crystalblisters 0 points1 point ago

Who gives a fuck about an Oxford comma? I've seen those English dramas, too.

[–]Heretical_Fool 0 points1 point ago

TIL I've been using an "Oxford comma" since 1st grade.

[–]trublwithnorml 0 points1 point ago

I think the second picture would be described with no commas, not one. So with or without the second comma, there's still 4 people.

[–]iPeeLavaLampGoo 0 points1 point ago

I see your repost and raise you a downvote. That didn't make much sense, did it?

[–]duz32 0 points1 point ago

This is one of those few times that I saw something on facebook before reddit.

[–]Mr_Mudkip 0 points1 point ago

This gets reposted again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again.

[–]Foxhound199 1 point2 points ago

But you (eventually) used an oxford comma, so it must be working.

[–]Mr_Mudkip 0 points1 point ago

Very true sir, very true.

[–]pinkat31522 -3 points-2 points ago

Who gives a fuck about an oxford comma ♪

[–]ChriSoccer13 -2 points-1 points ago

With Reddit these days, I'm surprised this wasn't labelled NSFW..

[–]wackybaccy -2 points-1 points ago

JFK+Stalin=Freddie Mercury? NO!

[–]cowboykillers 0 points1 point ago

No.

[–]ketostarcraft 0 points1 point ago

For the tenth god damn time....

[–]smurphatron -1 points0 points ago

True, but consider the following re-ordered list.

  • "We invited Stalin, the stripper and JFK"

That works fine. Now try it with the Oxford comma:

  • "We invited Stalin, the stripper, and JFK"

This time, the comma creates ambiguity.

[–]JTMTL -1 points0 points ago

Cool post.