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[–]jet_tripleseven 228 points229 points ago

Did you know that wearing a fur coat wastes about four whole trees just on the protest signs?

[–]Golden-Calf 90 points91 points ago

I'm probably alone in this, but I don't think fur deserves any more hate than a hamburger. As long as it was humanely raised and humanely slaughtered (and not endangered of course), I don't give a damn what you do with it, whether you eat it or wear it.

[–]Vahnya 81 points82 points ago

I think if you use the whole damn animal and aren't going on an uneccessary killing spree for only one aspect of the animal, then I don't really see what's wrong with it. Eat some meat, get a coat.

[–]cdude 78 points79 points ago

Eat some meat, get a coat.

that's a great slogan

[–]AdmiralSkippy 13 points14 points ago

Fur coats are usually made out of stuff like beaver or mink or other such animals that people don't eat the meat. That's not to say the meat isn't used. A lot of people will sell the beaver pelt to the guy making the coats and then sell the beaver carcass to bear hunters for their baits.
So the bear eats the beaver, you shoot the bear, and then you have a rug.

[–]couldntcantbe 5 points6 points ago

But what then happens to the rest of the bear? Is it sold back to the beaver hunters so they can make traps from the bones?

[–]AdmiralSkippy 0 points1 point ago

Depends. When you shoot it you gut it out and leave the guts in the bush, carry the bear out. Skin it for your mount/rug. Some guys eat the meat on a bear, and some guys will give it away/throw it out.

[–]FisherKing22 4 points5 points ago

I've never been bear hunting, but I would definitely eat it just so that while I'm looking at a plate of bear-b-q I could say, "My. How the tables have turned, bear."

[–]AdmiralSkippy 0 points1 point ago

That would be awesome. I've been bear hunting with my dad but we've never gotten one. We've seen them but they've either been a mamma with cubs (very illegal to shoot those) or too small so we didn't bother with them. Although I know several guys who have shot plenty of bears and some of them keep the meat for food and they've said they can have two roasts from the same bear and one tastes awesome and the other one is putrid shit that they throw in the garbage. So it's really hit or miss which is why I think most guys don't bother putting all the work into taking the meat off the bear.

[–]Walletau 1 point2 points ago

Bear meat is apparently quite tasty.

[–]Accipiter1138 1 point2 points ago

It really depends on the bear and the diet it ate. Sort of like going from grain-fed beef to purely grass-fed beef, but even more pronounced.

[–]Lord_of_Womba 0 points1 point ago

or, you've got a stewww

[–]Accipiter1138 0 points1 point ago

Possibly most important is that there just aren't enough beavers or mink to have a sustainable source.

We have thousands of cows, all raised for a single purpose- to provide meat and other products. To get a beaver, you need to go down the river and trap one. They're not exactly bred in high numbers.

[–]major_redditor 25 points26 points ago

Except that you usually don't wear the fur from animals you eat. Foxes and bears. Leather on the other hand, nothing better than full grain leather and a side of beef.

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[–]Dstanding 2 points3 points ago

eat the shit out of a fox

ಠ_ಠ

[–]Shilvahfang 1 point2 points ago

Very few animals raised for fur are eaten.

[–]scu 17 points18 points ago

I am from a family where trapping is quite common (near Eagle Alaska). Although it has often provided decent income I can tell you there is inevitable suffering on the part of the animals, both languishing in the traps and in finishing them (as humanely as possible). However, perishing on the trapline is less than or comparable to the terror and suffering of being eaten alive - which is the fate of most furbearers.

We should strive to minimize animal suffering where possible. However, suffering is a fact of life. If you think all creatures have the right to go quietly into the night then that is naive.

[–]SolidDexter 6 points7 points ago

My hunter coworker hates trappers and hearing them badmouth them is always interesting.

[–]Drakonisch 5 points6 points ago

Because most trappers use things like bear traps that are entirely inhumane. Trapping animals in a way that makes them suffer, whether for meat or fur is wrong. And the 'suffering is a part of life' excuse is a bullshit copout. Yes, carnivorous animals will eat other animals alive, it's what they do. They don't have a set of ethics to tell them otherwise, they go on pure instinct.

If you were on trial for a bank robbery, you couldn't say, "Well, banks get robbed, it's a fact of life. This guy was going to rob it if I didn't, so what does it matter if I robbed it or he robbed it?" Your action was wrong and pointing at someone or something else that takes the same action doesn't make your's right.

[–]Krispyz 3 points4 points ago

Because most trappers use things like bear traps that are entirely inhumane.

Well THAT's a blanket statement if I've ever heard of one. What do you mean by bear traps? I assume it's not "a trap meant to catch bear", because those are only used to trap bear and is not actually that inhumane. Plus "most trappers" trap things like raccoon, fox, muskrat, beaver, etc... none of which would be trapped with a "bear trap"... besides not working most of the time, if it actually caught a raccoon, it's fur would be so mangled you'd never be able to sell it. You have no idea what you're talking about.

[–]Drakonisch 1 point2 points ago

"Things like bear traps" - i.e. any foot hold type trap. And yes, I think trapping and killing animals to sell their fur is wrong.

[–]Krispyz 1 point2 points ago

Calling foot-hold traps "bear traps" means you either don't know what you're talking about or you are purposely misleading people to make it seem more sensational and cruel than it really is.

[–]Drakonisch 3 points4 points ago

To be honest, I didn't know the generic name, which is why I said 'things like'. The fact that I didn't know the term doesn't detract from my argument. No one has the right to inflict suffering on anyone or anything. Many traps are designed to incapacitate the animal by injuring it. Sometimes it can take some time to check the traps, and in this time the animal suffers and at times dies in the trap.

There are cage traps that trap animals painlessly and without hurting it. However, I don't think many people trapping for fur care about that. Even if they did use cage traps, I don't think killing an animal purely for its fur is right.

[–]Krispyz 4 points5 points ago

Okay, a couple of things. First I respect your dislike of trapping, it's definitely not "fun" for the animal and I can understand your dislike of it. I'll address your points in turn.

First, you could have used "foot-hold traps" as that is an accurate term for these types of traps. The word "bear trap" does not simply bring to mind a foot-hold, it brings to mind a very large trap often with "teeth", which is used very infrequently in modern trapping (at least in U.S. which is where I'm going off of).

Second, no trap is designed to incapacitate by injuring an animal. Any life trap (like the foot-hold) is designed to hold the animal without injury. If a foot-hold actually injures an animal, it's because the trapper used the incorrect trap and is very much looked down upon in a trapping community. Other traps, such as "conibears" are designed to kill immediately. These are generally used on beaver, muskrat, and less commonly on land in "box traps", but most trappers I know of don't like using them because of the possibility of getting incidental catch or pets.

Third, It can take time to check traps, but there are regulations to keep people checking traplines quickly. Any live traps must be check once a day. Kill traps have to be checked once every four days. So any animal that is caught in trap that does not kill it immediately can only be in there a maximum of 48 hours and that's extremely unlikely. Most trappers check their traps in the early morning and animals are usually caught at night, so most of the time, animals are in the traps less than 6-8 hours.

"Have-a-Heart" style cage traps are available, but are extremely unwieldy and not practical for a full trap-line, not to mention have very low catch rates due to their conspicuous nature. Trappers don't avoid these traps because they're "too humane" or anything, they are just not practical.

Finally, almost all animals that are trapped are done so because they are in abundance and need population control. Animals like muskrats, beaver, raccoon, and even bear are nuisance animals because we have eliminated both their predators and habitat needed to keep them in a stable population. For many of these animals, hunting is either not enough or not practical to keep their populations in check, so trapping is used for these purposes. Now, I'm not saying that trappers are only doing it for the environment, most enjoy the outdoors and find it enjoyable to get out there in the early morning when it's quiet and this is a hobby that, if done skillfully (there is a lot of skill involved in trapping animals), it can either pay for itself or make the trapper a small profit. In addition, the fur obtained by wild trapping is still more humane (in my opinion) than fur obtained from a fur farm, and this activity will supply much of the demand that is out there for fur. Either way, trapping does serve a real conservation purpose, it's not just needless killing.

I know that was a lot to read through and I understand if I don't change your mind on this matter, but I hope you take the time to read through it and, at the very least, try to amend some of the misconceptions that are often believed about trapping.

[–]zergling50 -1 points0 points ago

Except robbing a bank isnt a fact of life. Its a purely human invention. Suffering however, has been around since the beginning of time.

[–]Drakonisch 0 points1 point ago

Sorry that my analogy wasn't perfect enough for you. Fact is, just because suffering happens doesn't mean you have the right to make it happen.

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[–]Drakonisch 0 points1 point ago

Just because suffering is a part of life does not give you the right to inflict it. If your very survival depends on hunting, then by all means, hunt. But you don't have to severely injure an animal with a crackpot trap and let it languish for hours in order to hunt and eat.

[–]scu 0 points1 point ago

Not sure where you live but up here all trappers are hunters also, and almost all hunters run traplines. Regulations tend to prohibit hunting of furbearing animals such as beavers so there would be no "hate".

[–]Bazil1 -1 points0 points ago

No it would be naive to say all animals can go quietly,it is not naive to think they should.

You say:

"We should strive to minimize animal suffering where possible"

but then say they not only don't have the right to have that suffering minimized but that is is naive to think they should. According to your very own statements you are therefor naive. If nonhuman animals do not have the right to have minimal suffering then why should we every try and minimize it it?

[–]zergling50 2 points3 points ago

He said that dying from a trap is comparable to dying a natural wilderness death. What do you think all animals die of old age? Its very rare for that to happen. Where are you pulling this stuff from?

[–]scu 1 point2 points ago

You missed the entire point. The natural end of most animals (and humans) is intense suffering. That's just fact. Where it is possible for we humans to minimize suffering we should do so. But while "not suffering" is certainly a noble aim it is not a right.

[–]giantasparagus 6 points7 points ago

That would be valid if we made fur coats out of pigs and cows and chickens, but for some reason those aren't very popular. The exotic endangered animals' furs however, are quite in fashion.

[–]Golden-Calf 5 points6 points ago

We do make clothing out of cows, leather is made from cowhide of course. Also there's plenty of fur species that aren't endangered or can be bred in captivity (rabbits and chincillas come to mind).

[–]giantasparagus -1 points0 points ago

We don't make fur coats out of cows. And I don't think I've seen any clothing made from rabbits or chinchillas.

Now if they used something like deer, which we have way too many of in this country, that would make sense. Killing endangered animals for fur really doesn't.

[–]Qxzkjp 6 points7 points ago

You've never seen a chinchilla coat? Dude, you need to get out more.

[–]giantasparagus 0 points1 point ago

I really have not. Is this a thing?

[–]Qxzkjp 2 points3 points ago

It seriously is. It's like the budget alternative to mink.

[–]Hvermillz 3 points4 points ago

Chinchilla coats go for around $50,000 they're crazy popular..

[–]pat5168 0 points1 point ago

[–]MissL 0 points1 point ago

it looks like they've just sewn together whole chinchillas.

pic

[–]rockoblocko 0 points1 point ago

Well of course, they aren't making chinchilla coats for ants!

[–]MissL 0 points1 point ago

I've just realised, I've never heard them referred to as "chinchilla fur coats", only "chinchilla coats"

[–]thirdtimeboogaloo 4 points5 points ago

Humanely slaughtered....

Not ironic, simply oxymoronic.

[–]inevitable_deletion 2 points3 points ago

I'm probably alone in this, but I don't think fur deserves any more hate than a hamburger.

I agree with this, which is why I'm a vegetarian.

[–]Golden-Calf 0 points1 point ago

I can definitely respect that. I just think it's a little weird that some people are so violently opposed to fur, but they eat meat and wear leather anyway as if it's somehow better.

[–]inevitable_deletion 1 point2 points ago

True, but I don't think that you have to be vegan or it nullifies your position. Every little bit helps.

[–]SirSandGoblin 1 point2 points ago

we wear stuff that comes from the same animal as a hamburger, people don't mind that, its the endangered animals that are killed solely for clothing that people take issue with, i think, i'm not certain about any of this though because i don't care about dead animals

[–]TACOfarmerXD 1 point2 points ago

Humanely slaughtered....

[–]HelloBox -1 points0 points ago

A lot of it isnt though humane though, I dont know if you've seen it but there's a video on one of those PETA sites (yeah they may be crazy about some things but this video was much more harrowing than their anti meat stuff). It basically goes around a Chinese fur far where they skin the animals alive. It was awful and I can't remember their reasoning for it but it may have been to keep the fur as clean as possible?

[–]gildedbat 10 points11 points ago

You should not believe ANYTHING put out by PETA. Back when they were protesting the whole clubbing baby seals and skinning them alive thing, they could not find anyone actually clubbing baby seals and skinning them alive so guess what they did? Paid somebody to CLUB A BABY SEAL AND SKIN IT ALIVE FOR THEM TO FILM! PETA is a bunch of hypocritical nutjobs who care about making money and nothing else.

[–]LuisN 0 points1 point ago

That's a serious allegation and I couldn't help but notice you have no source.

I still think PETA is successful at delivering a message. Most of the time it's the worse of the worse but that's unfortunately what some people need to realize that animal cruelty is a problem. Regardless of how "evil," of a company you think PETA is, they've certainly attracted much media attention and in turn have surely opened the eyes of numerous people and maybe turned some of them vegetarian.

[–]gildedbat 0 points1 point ago

You are correct. That is a serious allegation for me to make without providing a source.

As a middle school student living near Washington D.C. in the late 80's-early 90's, I became involved in animal welfare issues. At that time, the seal wars were going on and PETA was on the forefront of the anti-seal industry campaign. Later, in high school, I was shown a documentary in a class that showed how the so-called animal welfare groups were actually paying people to skin animals on film. This revelation caused me to have an epiphany; namely, that people will lie to advance a cause and that I needed to become less credulous concerning my beliefs.

Therefore, I commend you for calling me out : ) Good for you!

So, I have spent the past hour online trying to find the video I was shown in school so I could provide you with my source. After multiple search phrases wit PETA in it (some searches yielded over 26 pages of Google search results with every result coming form the peta.org website! Incredible!) I finally found this page which discusses what I believe is the video I was shown in school.

I must admit, that my memory failed me and the video actually shows that Greenpeace was the organization that paid someone to club the baby seal. However, PETA was recently found guilty of the same behavior by the German High Court.

I also found this page which has a fairly thorough list of infractions committed by the animal rights activist organizations over the years. Of course, it is a page hosted by the Fur Commission, so take it with a few grains for salt but I bet you could independently verify the validity any of the listed claims.

Point being, many so-called "environmental" organizations are more than willing to commit the very acts they are condemning in order to further their cause. I believe that organizations like Greenpeace and PETA are really out to raise money- not to actually make the world a better place. They will do anything to create controversy and stir the pot to keep donations coming in.

[–]TACOfarmerXD 0 points1 point ago

Tell me. Why would you skin an animal alive? Why would they be recording it? I don't see how skinning a live animal would be a good idea.

[–]HelloBox -1 points0 points ago

I dunno, here's the video though: NSFW/L http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oxVwsA2MLWA&feature=player_embedded Maybe they want to keep the fur clean from blood.

[–]crotchcritters 1 point2 points ago

When I shoot a deer this year, I'm gonna eat all of it, make chairs out of its hide, mount its skull and make a xylophone with its ribs.

[–]AaronPetykowski 0 points1 point ago

I feel the same way. On a side note, I would eat any animal had they been raised humanely as cows and chickens are. I mean what if a cat or dog is delicious?

[–]atrociousxcracka 0 points1 point ago

Why do people complain about fur but don't complain that much about leather

[–]Walletau 0 points1 point ago

I have an issue with wild pelts, but agree, leather is not necessarily wrong.

[–]eatadickyesyou 0 points1 point ago

the reason most people protest is because of the ways the animals are raised for furs or the way they're hunted. mink farms are pretty gross.

[–]4n7h0ny -2 points-1 points ago

Well the problem with the fur industry is that animals are killed only for their skin and nothing more. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iaDP6Qv_NMM

[–]m0use44 0 points1 point ago

Oh emo

[–]scruffy01 105 points106 points ago

If that information saves like 20 sheets of paper then it will be a net gain.

[–]johnnybum 25 points26 points ago

Yeah, this seems like it's pretty reasonable to expect it to save more paper than it has used.

[–]lonjaxson 35 points36 points ago

But the orange decoration sheets of paper...

[–]Bears__Beets__BSG 32 points33 points ago

Exactly. Think of all the rare orange trees slaughtered for this PSA.

[–]Mana_leak 6 points7 points ago

You have to get peoples attention somehow.

[–]Dazanan 16 points17 points ago

They could have drawn boobs on the white pieces...

[–]Mana_leak 9 points10 points ago

They should have hired you

[–]BHSPitMonkey 0 points1 point ago

... can still be used after the sign is changed out, because they're still blank!

[–]imgonnacallyouretard 1 point2 points ago

This is ironic in the same way a business investing capital in a campaign in order to make money.

That is: Not ironic at all.

[–]Ceejae -5 points-4 points ago

"Herp derp, logic? WTF is that?" - Everyone that upvoted this

[–]FartPoopRobot_PhD 46 points47 points ago

Thank you for sharing these tips! I'm trying to get my office to go green.. I'm going to print out copies of this and fax them to each of my coworkers.

[–]akatherder 12 points13 points ago

Fax? I would recommend mailing it.

[–]Hughtub 11 points12 points ago

Don't make the font size too small. Make it large enough to read it, even if it takes a few more pages to print. This information is too important to run the risk of someone not being able to read it.

[–]jzboston8 -4 points-3 points ago

FartPoopRobot. Hmmm, you must be the printer!?

[–]jxj24 19 points20 points ago

Our office went paperless.

In the bathrooms :(

[–]bking 2 points3 points ago

Bidets? Bidets.

[–]jxj24 4 points5 points ago

Yeah, I seen one.

Hurt my back something awful tryin' to get a drink, I tell you what.

[–]LeonardNemoysHead 0 points1 point ago

I tell you hwhat

[–]TaintedSquirrel 34 points35 points ago

One of the few times "irony" has been used correctly on Reddit.

[–]andrewegan1986 11 points12 points ago

Would this really qualify? Irony is "meaning something other than what is literally intended." ie, the hand reference in Futurama.

In this instance, I don't think they mean something other than "How to Save Paper". They're not demonstrating it properly but they probably don't mean anything other than "this is how you can save paper."

EDIT: I did some more research and I'm comfortable accepting this as appropriate usage of situational irony.

[–]stillnotking 11 points12 points ago

Irony can also describe something that accomplishes the opposite of what's intended. A "sharp incongruity or discordance that goes beyond the simple and evident intention of words or actions," as Wikipedia puts it. So this is definitely an ironic display, although its creators did not intend it to be.

[–]andrewegan1986 3 points4 points ago

Huh... when I look on Dictionary.com (or just Google "define irony"), the definitions always include some version of this:

an outcome of events contrary to what was, or might have been, expected.

It seems situational irony depends on the deliberate actions of some one or group. For example, a fire house getting burned down wouldn't be ironic unless a firefighter did something he reasonably didn't think would start a fire. I'm comfortable with OP using ironic but it does seem rather weak. The goal of the people that created the display may have been toward education and awareness rather than demonstrating conservation. I'm not trying to call anyone out or anything, I actually enjoy conversations like this, but I think this isn't quite the example of "Irony in action" that it's claimed to be...

[–]Kensin 1 point2 points ago

I don't know, I'd expect someone educating others about how not to waste paper to do it in a manner that didn't needlessly waste paper, so in this case the outcome of events was contrary to my expectations.

[–]chris4290 1 point2 points ago

why are we assuming that this accomplishes the opposite of what's intended? if this presentation reduces paper consumption by ~15+ sheets (someone reads this and decides to save paper in some way they wouldn't have otherwise), then this presentation is ultimately beneficial. it may not be optimal, but it successfully reduced paper usage.

[–]LeonardNemoysHead 0 points1 point ago

The big difference is that this isn't the sign, it's a titled photo of the sign.

[–]KingWilson 8 points9 points ago

I think it's more hypocritical than ironic, but funny nonetheless. Anyway, I'm no Alanis Morissette, what do I know?!

[–]TaintedSquirrel 3 points4 points ago

Actually that song doesn't have any ironies in it... So, the song itself is ironic.

[–]manbro 11 points12 points ago

it's 2012

[–]jaycrew[S] 9 points10 points ago

[–]TaintedSquirrel 2 points3 points ago

What is that from? And why are they so creepy looking?

[–]jaycrew[S] 3 points4 points ago

It's from a very weird commercial for Kayak.

[–]macaronie 1 point2 points ago

THEN YOU SHOULD KNOW THAT THIS ISN'T IRONIC

[–]TheWac0Kid 1 point2 points ago

Who woulda thought? It figgers.

[–]alxalx 1 point2 points ago

Irony has many meanings.

[–]Frozgaar 0 points1 point ago

My thought's exactly. When I saw the title, I sighed because I assumed it would be a misuse of irony.

This post actually made my day better, simply because the word was used correctly for a change.

[–]stillnotking 0 points1 point ago

This is literally the first time I've seen it used correctly. Well done OP!

[–]scottmurphyisme 7 points8 points ago

Being a former RA, the person that probably made that bulletin board probably didn't want to waste any paper making it. Because they didn't want to make it in the first place.

[–]pettibzb 1 point2 points ago

As a former RA, I can confirm this

[–]radherring 4 points5 points ago

I thought for sure this would be a post about someone dressed up like close shoes talking about "I've got swag."

[–]diabolotry 5 points6 points ago

On all of the copiers in the hospital where I work there is a sheet that tells us how many copies the average employee makes and how many trees we as individuals kill a year. It's in the thousands.

We only use 100% recycled paper in the hospital, so the actual number is 0.

Thanks, hospital, for trying to guilt us into using less paper so you can save money. Just be honest.

[–]Shilvahfang 1 point2 points ago

We only use 100% recycled paper in the hospital, so the actual number is 0

Not true. Even if it is 100% post-consumer recycled paper, which I doubt it is, it is still killing trees because paper fibers can only be recycled into real paper a few times before the fibers are too short and it isn't usable so you can't entirely close the loop.

But more likely, your paper is something like 70% recycled and 30% post-consumer which is still using a great deal of trees, it is just reusing parts of trees that were cut down for another purpose (google the difference between "recycled" and "post-consumer recycled," if you don't know what that is, I don't feel like typing anymore).

Not trying to demean what you do. Just trying to make sure you don't think using recycled paper doesn't still have a net negative impact on trees. I like trees =).

[–]Rhakan 1 point2 points ago

One of their tricks is saying "the average employee". More likely, the dipshits making these announcements are the people using tens of thousands of sheets per year and everyone else is using maybe 100. Administrative personnel tend to print out everything even if there's no discernible purpose for anything they print.

[–]Kensin 0 points1 point ago

not to be that guy but using more recycled paper than you need may be saving trees but even recycled paper doesn't come without a cost. It uses up a lot of energy for the recycling process, and the delivery of the paper to and from the plant requires energy and pollutes the air as well.

Yeah, the printer (which doesn't know better) is lying to you about the tree's you've killed, but it's still not a good idea to waste paper.

[–]scartol 2 points3 points ago

... says the person who thrills to that part in Wanted where Angelina Jolie says we gotta kill one person to save a hundred.

[–]letherunderyourskin 3 points4 points ago

In middle school we built an entire PAPER RAINFOREST to raise awareness about (duh) the rainforest. All the floors and walls were covered with paper in a huge double-classroom. We even made trees entirely out of paper by stuffing rolls of paper with wadded paper for trunks, and big green wads on top.

As seventh-graders, the irony was not lost on us - but our teacher failed to see the problem.

[–]NonPermissive 0 points1 point ago

Well, to be fair, rainforest wood goes mostly into furniture and not paper.

[–]kraken_calamari 1 point2 points ago

could have been reused scrap paper I suppose?

[–]youoyou 2 points3 points ago

It was fine, until you realize they put an extra orange paper behind the white ones for decorative purposes.

[–]Hughtub 0 points1 point ago

I really, really hate that trend. Does anyone get any enjoyment out of seeing that as opposed to just the white paper? Jesus christ, these message boards are so 1980s anyway.

[–]Shilvahfang 1 point2 points ago

It's not about enjoyment, it's about getting attention. And it gets more attention than just white paper, as evidenced by it being on the 3rd page of redditt and debated by hundreds of people.

[–]pox_ 2 points3 points ago

When I was working at a hotel our HR department did something like this for Earth Day. At the end of the day they threw everything in the trash. Apparently the type of paper they used wasn't recyclable.

[–]MissL 0 points1 point ago

they couldn't put it in a box for next year?

[–]pox_ 2 points3 points ago

I asked why the even needed to make shitty paper decorations that no one was going pay attention to. They told me to stop ruining it for everyone else.

[–]MissL 0 points1 point ago

they sound like a bunch of dicks

[–]pox_ 0 points1 point ago

Corporate America + Hospitality.

[–]circuitloss 5 points6 points ago

Let me tell you a story.

I was working at a well-regarded liberal arts college in the Northeast for a couple of years and during one summer they decided to do an "energy audit" to see what the school's carbon footprint was...

Well, this was mid-July, and the big academic buildings had the AC cranked up. When the auditors got down into the basement of a couple of the building they found people with space heaters running in their offices.

In July

And so the AC got cranked up to fight the heaters and the heaters got cranked up to fight the AC and round and round we go.

[–]EmperorSofa 3 points4 points ago

Is it really so hard to just bring a freaking jacket to work?

[–]giantasparagus 2 points3 points ago

did you not read the part where it's IN JULY?

[–]EmperorSofa 2 points3 points ago

Yeah but it's in the office. It's apparently so cold that you need to run a space heater. Just bring a jacket to work you don't have to wear it in.

[–]giantasparagus 3 points4 points ago

His point was that they turned the AC up so high that people felt cold in July. How do you miss that, do you think it's normal to bring a jacket in the hottest month of the year?

[–]spacekadette 2 points3 points ago

I worked in a call center and some people brought blankets to work year round because they considered it to be too cold inside. It's not that uncommon.

[–]giantasparagus 0 points1 point ago

Again, stupidity on the part of management. They could have saved money and made all their employees more comfortable by turning down the AC a little.

[–]HothMonster 0 points1 point ago

But if you're hot you can only get so naked. I've never met a building with an air-conditioning system that keeps the whole place the same temperature.

[–]spacekadette 0 points1 point ago

I imagine with all that computer and networking equipment it was best to keep it cool. Yet, there were still many who need blankets. I, however, and many others were comfortable. You can't please everyone, but it makes more sense for people who run cold to bring blankets than for people to run warm to be sweaty. It's tought to wear less to work and conform to dresscode, but easy to wear more.

*edit, sorry, was replying to giantasparagus, not you. :)

[–]Kensin 0 points1 point ago

It's normal for people who need to work in walk in freezers and data centers to need a jacket all year round. It doesn't matter what the temperature is outside, if you know your work environment is cool you bring a jacket to work (and most likely leave it there). It isn't normal to use a space heater in July either but that didn't stop them. What they should have done was either closed off the vents as well as they could or (if they have the funds) get the lower rooms on their own thermostat.

[–]giantasparagus 0 points1 point ago

Wow, you really missed the point. I'm not even going to bother.

[–]Rhakan 0 points1 point ago

Or they could just run the AC less...

[–]circuitloss 2 points3 points ago

People have wildly different thresholds of what they consider "comfortable." Some people melt if it gets about 72 F. Some think that's freezing and are happier at 80+.

The point is that in these buildings with industrial-strength HVAC systems, the basements could get really cold in the summer even when the higher floors were "cool," by most standards. It got so bad that some of the people brought in heaters.

[–]Rhakan 1 point2 points ago

Part of my university's power conservation project is to only cool the buildings down to 78 deg. in the summer and heat to 65 in the winter.

Of course, this results in people using cool paper towels over the thermostats in the winter and desk lamps under the same in the winter. The end result is that thermal management is blown all to hell and the system uses way more power than it did before they made this asinine change. Their solution to all of this was simply to send out an endless stream of emails that say "It is against policy to interfere with the thermostats" which, of course, doesn't stop people from doing this. They refuse to reset the settings back to where they were because then their plan for power conservation wouldn't look as good.

[–]TheStratStar 0 points1 point ago

I went to an outdoor screening of The Lorax, at the local legislature, that turned out to be a protest. The people putting it on we're protesting various companies that were involved in the lumber and paper industry. While there A girl came up to my and my GF and I got a bit into an argument with her about tree farming for pulp production. I said that it was a better way than clear cutting since it makes paper more renewable. I was told that "it wasn't right" and it "looked horrible". After the corrective elbow from the GF I let the girl be. But before she left she handed out a hand bill with info on their cause to each of us. During our chat I had already mentioned we lived together so when she handed me my flyer I gave it right back and said "Save paper."

If only I had sunglasses.
Yeahhhh!

[–]alchemist5 4 points5 points ago

Speaking of "The Lorax", did you know there is now a pop-up version of the book? Because if there's one thing that book needed, it's a version that uses 3x more paper, right?

[–]TheStratStar 2 points3 points ago

Ha.

[–]shet7968 1 point2 points ago

Happy cakeday!!

[–]pie-man 0 points1 point ago

few must be sacrificed for good of all?

[–]verxix 1 point2 points ago

Gotta break some eggs to make an omelet.

[–]ZENmotherfucker 1 point2 points ago

Hey, you gotta spend money to make money.

[–]NDFan807 0 points1 point ago

Fully expected a hipster in a "Hipsters must die" shirt. Cause those are amusing.

[–]typ901 0 points1 point ago

And they say Americans don't understand irony...

[–]MAJORpaiynne 0 points1 point ago

Kill one, save a thousand

[–]hippopotacat 1 point2 points ago

Thousands will die now so millions can smile later...

[–]Mana_leak 1 point2 points ago

  • Hitler

[–]Zolty 0 points1 point ago

That soda is too sweet for my taste.

[–]Jazz-Man 0 points1 point ago

This reminds me of the ending to Watchmen

[–]Fozee 1 point2 points ago

"Use technology"

Fuck, I hate how kids are rarely taught when to use that word. A sharpened stick is "technology", so stop it.

[–]Rhakan 0 points1 point ago

That and it completely ignores the power conservation side of things. Don't print an email, just boot up your computer with a 1 kW power supply to read it instead!

[–]Fozee 1 point2 points ago

Also this gets left out: Trees are 100% fucking renewable. You can recycle wood/paper AND a new tree is growing in its place.

[–]downwithxpc 0 points1 point ago

I'm guessing you just moved into a dorm? Seems like something an RA would display.

[–]cz03se 1 point2 points ago

I don't believe that this is ironic. Reason being because they did not WASTE paper informing us how to save paper. If this same thing was sprawled across an empty warehouse with letters so big they each took one full page and the day it was put up, the place caught fire and nobody ever saw it... now THAT is irony.

[–]functionals 0 points1 point ago

It's a necessary evil...

[–]casualfactors 0 points1 point ago

That's not irony, that's just that sign being stupid!

[–]superAL1394 0 points1 point ago

This looks like Penn State dorms... Simmons or Atherton to be precise. OP wish to verify?

[–]alotofwank 0 points1 point ago

I walked into a blind man today, I didn't see him. The irony almost killed me.

[–]NytFantom 0 points1 point ago

More like hypocrisy?

[–]gallagher222 0 points1 point ago

the ends justify the means! by using so much paper to make a huge bulletin board, thus spreading the word more effectively, it will actually save paper!!

[–]Oideron 0 points1 point ago

Consider it an investment in the environment. You have to spend money to make money and you have to use paper to save paper.

[–]VLDT 0 points1 point ago

Somebody's RA was really out of ideas.

[–]blobfis 0 points1 point ago

"think before your print"

Aaargh

[–]WhiteClouds 0 points1 point ago

Two front page posts, OP? Happy cake day indeed.

[–]Drunkinlullabys 0 points1 point ago

Can you post a higher res image, I can't read how to save paper, even after printing it out :(

[–]gildedbat 1 point2 points ago

Yes, because using technology that utilizes electricity is SO much better than using paper because electricity comes from magic leprechauns that live in the walls and not, oh say, strip mining coal...

[–]Rhakan 0 points1 point ago

But running an email server, a host of workstations, and laptops 24/7 is so much more efficient than printing out a couple sheets of paper!

[–]TACOfarmerXD 0 points1 point ago

You could get tetanus from that irony

[–]ez1286 0 points1 point ago

Is this at SIUC? I've seen something very similar on campus.

[–]baltasaro 0 points1 point ago

So that's what it looks like when someone correctly describes irony. It had been so long. Kudos.

[–]ced1106 0 points1 point ago

In the 70's, the slogan as "Reduce, Reuse, Recycle".

Now it seems to be "Stick it in the other bin".

[–]daniel2742 0 points1 point ago

Those poor pieces of paper are like cannon fodder. Sacrificing themselves for the greater good by saving their comrades from that terrible fate.

[–]antibios 0 points1 point ago

Hypocrisy in action

[–]BadWithPeoplesNames 0 points1 point ago

They only used 38 pieces of paper, so long as they save more than that they can say it was worth it.

[–]Kensin 0 points1 point ago

convince me that using 38 pieces of paper will lead to more paper being saved than if they had only used 25 pieces of paper to communicate the same thing, or 10 pieces, or even no paper at all. This was needlessly wasteful no matter what the outcome.

[–]worlddevgroup 0 points1 point ago

Campaigns to save paper are dumb. We can (and do!) grow more.

[–]Jcannon7143 0 points1 point ago

Was this picture taken in one of the Warren Towers at BU?

[–]boudreaux234 0 points1 point ago

how to not waste paper, make an ironic sign about it.

[–]amichak -1 points0 points ago

Is this from the University of Washington dorms because I think I have seen this there before?

[–]elborracho420 0 points1 point ago

A few were sacrificed for the sake of many.

[–]sassycunt 0 points1 point ago

it is necessary when people have to be told to not print single sentence documents.

[–]Frozgaar 0 points1 point ago

What's this? Someone on reddit actually using the word "irony" correctly? I thought I'd never see the day.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point ago

I just had an elementary school flashback. It was awful...... I taste glue...

[–]Spencersrm 0 points1 point ago

You must spend paper to save paper...

[–]FeatherBrained 0 points1 point ago

My favorites are all the signs by the highway saying SAVE THE TREES...that are wooden signs DOH!

[–]CD84 0 points1 point ago

TIL: If you want to save paper, staple it to a bulletin board. This keeps people from accidentally throwing away that sweet-ass paper you love.

[–]Chris_B 0 points1 point ago

I'm a government employee and last year I received about 12 "Fraud, Waste, and Abuse Prevention" posters. We only have to bulletin boards. So, I took the other 10 and posted them in a huge block up against the wall in our main hallway.

[–]NimX3 0 points1 point ago

Here's an idea: make a website and post a single poster with the QR code

like this

[–]lafilledead 0 points1 point ago

You have to waste paper to save paper.

[–]NineBelowZero 0 points1 point ago

its like rain on your wedding day

[–]quantiplex 0 points1 point ago

Same fucking thing at my school.

Though I'm not sure whether the eco-team left the bulletin unfinished for a reason...

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point ago

What's really ironic is that there is not actually any action in this photograph.

[–]da_muffinman 0 points1 point ago

or, "inaction"

[–]revel5150 0 points1 point ago

thanks for posting this. I live for shit like this!

[–]Williebudz 1 point2 points ago

To save the paper we must use all the paper!!!! ಠ_ಠ

[–]UbnubMcgee 0 points1 point ago

One time I was picking up trash near my local creek and I found a piece of wrinkly paper that said "Do not litter".

[–]Zolty 0 points1 point ago

Here I thought we had tree farms to make renewable paper. How much of our paper actually comes from old growth forest?

[–]kevinlikesbacon 0 points1 point ago

Update for proper use of irony

[–]rangemaster 0 points1 point ago

Reading all this fur coat stuff made me forget what the OP was.

[–]tsiology 0 points1 point ago

My college decided to "Go Green" by placing thousands of stickers all over campus encouraging us to save paper in the bathrooms and turn down the a.c. I wonder how many trees were sacrificed to make them.

[–]el__duderino 2 points3 points ago

I hate these pseudo counter statements against environmentalist actions that really signify a lack of critical thinking - than a true contradiction with the issue at hand. If advertising and social bandwagoning didn't affect habits, it wouldn't be a multi-billion dollar industry.

Also, what kind of stickers are made from paper?

[–]flamethrower78 -1 points0 points ago

[–]MissL 0 points1 point ago

or just spray paint your message directly onto the wall