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[–]ahotw 217 points218 points ago

For those using a screen reader (without OCR software), the ad reads:

Sponsored Links

The Braille Superstore

Thousands of Braille products, many

of which you've never seen before.

[–]gwarster 35 points36 points ago

I told one of my blind coworkers about this. He laughed and said that he was going to search for it when he gets home.

[–]valeriob 29 points30 points ago

According to Facebook, your coworker and approximately 3 billion other blind people have seen this ad.

[–]trixter192 25 points26 points ago

TIL there are approximately 3 billion blind people in the world.

[–]MentalOverload 17 points18 points ago

And they can see!

[–]penkap1 10 points11 points ago

Because Jesus.

[–]valeriob 3 points4 points ago

Did you say Abe Lincoln?

[–]mkdir 7 points8 points ago

No, I said "Hey Blinkin"!

[–]Gwath -1 points0 points ago

not a Jew...Ahchoo

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    [–]cellskey 61 points62 points ago

    I don't see the joke here.

    [–]langis_on 51 points52 points ago

    It's right in front of your eyes!

    [–]KushCub 3 points4 points ago

    Don't leave me in the dark, what's the joke guys?

    [–]ImPhone -1 points0 points ago

    I can't see what's so funny about making fun of the disabled.

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        [–]aznricemaker 13 points14 points ago

        But I see what you did there.

        [–]niomosy 2 points3 points ago

        The blind leading the blind?

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          [–]Shadax 83 points84 points ago

          jksdlaw074t4=-aelvs

          [–]Take42 40 points41 points ago

          That's heartwarming. Thank you for brightening my day with that enlightening tale.

          [–]zild3d 21 points22 points ago

          my : is exploding

          [–]Lost4468 9 points10 points ago

          ~ can suck my | while I smoke some # through a /, I'm not no _er she'll want some $$$ after she sucks my | while I take a / and £ at her tits

          (click the speaker button in the left box)

          [–]kapncobs 3 points4 points ago

          tilde can suck my vertical

          what

          [–]hj17 0 points1 point ago

          Tilde can suck my vertical bar while I smoke some number sign through a slash comma I'm not no underscorer she'll want some dollar sign dollar sign dollar sign after she sucks my vertical bar while I take a slash and pound sign at her tits.

          Uh...

          [–]Fine_Structure 1 point2 points ago

          smoking hash through a slash to the power of comma made even less sense

          [–]flyinthesoup 3 points4 points ago

          You should get that checked out.

          [–]duBiYou 0 points1 point ago

          It's ok it happened to me to. It like herpes. If you ignore it, it goes away

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            [–]PlayingWithCum 10 points11 points ago

            ..:::.:..::. . .. : . ;.

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              [–]whitewateractual 0 points1 point ago

              Thanks, I couldn't see the image.

              [–]whoopzzz 1 point2 points ago

              never seen before.

              Oh you.

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                [–]tolstoyleo 117 points118 points ago

                I think you mean thanks Braillebookstore.com, it's not as if google creates those ads themselves, all they do is serve them.

                [–]scarblah 5 points6 points ago

                We wrote some creative AdWords ads for some clients and found that (sadly) they did not perform as the typical ones...here are my two favorites:

                Your Mom Likes the [Chair Name]
                It's Where She Sits
                When She's Not in My Lap

                [Chair Name] Is Ergonomic
                Don't Know What That Means,
                But Neither Do You

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                  [–]Toymachinary 46 points47 points ago

                  perhaps "ALL of which you've never seen before" would have been more appropriate.

                  [–]Ultimate_Timmeh 10 points11 points ago

                  Well, I guess it all depends on whether or not you are born blind.

                  [–]petsounds94 9 points10 points ago

                  Those with sight do tend to dabble in braille products. You know, just in case.

                  [–]vteckickedin 5 points6 points ago

                  "It's not fair, I had time now. All the time in the world. It's not fair!"

                  Not happening to me, thanks Braille.

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                    [–]You_butt_pirate 2 points3 points ago

                    Never before seen!

                    [–]PhantomPhun 0 points1 point ago

                    But the word "most" is funnier because it implies some degree of success for the visually impared. Which is even more insensitive and funny. "All" simply isn't as humorous, intentional or not.

                    [–]christballs 0 points1 point ago

                    Why do some people think that the blind don't have friends and relatives who shop for them?

                    [–]Topherborz 17 points18 points ago

                    that's Brailliant!

                    [–]bronymobile 5 points6 points ago

                    I thought it was a little hard to see

                    [–]GoAwayStupid 3 points4 points ago

                    See what??

                    [–]Ihadacow 16 points17 points ago

                    You've also never seen this ad...

                    [–]SLO_growing 3 points4 points ago

                    Well someone who isn't blind has to set up stuff for those who are blind right? So wouldn't they have to purchase it too? However I don't think it would be through google adds, those things are hilarious sometimes.

                    [–]neoncp 2 points3 points ago

                    When dynamic insertion goes wrong.

                    [–]Sharrakor 5 points6 points ago

                    Reminds me of somebody who searched "black people" on Google, and got back a dynamic insertion ad "Buy black people on eBay."

                    [–]happy_khan 1 point2 points ago

                    Aldous Huxley, author of Brave New World, learned Braille so that he could rest his eyes and still read. Huxley's eyes pained him when he read too much and his eyesight was failing. One of the benefits of learning Braille, Huxley said, was being able to read in the bed in the dark.

                    [–]DarknessFallsOverUs 37 points38 points ago

                    People who are blind use text recognition software which reads out and describes the web pages along with various other things on their computers, for them. This isn't really funny if you've bothered to learn actual useful facts.

                    [–]burf 209 points210 points ago

                    I laughed at the "many of which you've never seen before" in the description. I assumed that's what the post was aboot, and thus it is funny/relevant.

                    [–]gulpeg 27 points28 points ago

                    "it is funny" said the blind man to his deaf wife

                    [–]Hotrootsoup 9 points10 points ago

                    "I see" said the blind man to the deaf man after the mute made a profound statement.

                    [–]manifestiny 4 points5 points ago

                    "I see" said the blind man to his deaf wife as he picked up his hammer and saw.

                    [–]Zondraxor 2 points3 points ago

                    "I see." said the blind man as he pissed in the wind. "It's all coming back to me, now."

                    [–]vteckickedin 0 points1 point ago

                    "I sea", said the young man to Earnest Hemingway.

                    [–]6Revolvers 2 points3 points ago

                    But he accidentally picked up a dildo and a puppy. And ...

                    [–]mowgley 1 point2 points ago

                    ಠ_ಠ

                    [–]rabidsi 0 points1 point ago

                    then they both decided to open the door, get on the floor, everybody walk the dinosaur.

                    [–]Large_banana_hammock 4 points5 points ago

                    Such a polite comment from our canadian friend burf.

                    [–]Kvraj 0 points1 point ago

                    Thanks for pointing out, somehow that flew right over my head...

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                      [–]chrismorin 30 points31 points ago

                      that wasn't the joke...

                      [–]Qxzkjp 5 points6 points ago

                      Wow, you deserve an award for missing the joke in what must be the most pompous and arrogant way possible.

                      Slow clap

                      [–]i_love_cake_day 18 points19 points ago

                      This isn't really funny if you've bothered to learn actual useful facts.

                      Hahah you didn't get the joke while calling other people stupid for not getting the joke.

                      [–]Its_Be_A_Spork 1 point2 points ago

                      HAH!

                      [–]CharlieCharlie 3 points4 points ago

                      whoosh

                      [–]Wet_Walrus 0 points1 point ago

                      Hahah right over his head.

                      [–]Zabooni 24 points25 points ago

                      many of which you've never seen before.

                      This is still ironic nonetheless

                      [–]IAMnotMcKaylaMaroney 7 points8 points ago

                      True but does it also read/speak the nice little description too? I could see that being the funny part.

                      [–]Trollatio_Caine 2 points3 points ago

                      We sell many of life's little ironies here! Come take a look!

                      [–]hawkian 2 points3 points ago

                      Oh yeah, Buzz Killington?

                      "Deaf? Come listen in on our discussion of new lip-reading devices! Unheard-of prices!"

                      [–]potato1 9 points10 points ago

                      Not to mention people without visual impairment may have people in their lives who do have visual impairment. It's not like sighted people are incapable of buying braille materials as gifts for others.

                      [–]emperorOfTheUniverse 2 points3 points ago

                      I wonder if part of the suck of being blind is that anytime your birthday or Christmas rolls around, all you get is 'blind stuff' like braille books, canes, sunglasses, etc because the first thing people think of when shopping for you is 'oh he/she is blind. They need blind people things.' instead of something actually fun and new that doesn't pertain to their handicap.

                      [–]ShanduCanDo 1 point2 points ago

                      I love the mental image of somebody sitting at their computer and thinking "hmm, does [blind person] already own a cane? I better get them one, just in case."

                      Then, on Christmas, [blind person] just opens package after package of canes, and the family, getting increasingly uncomfortable, starts describiling them – "Oh, a golf club! That will come in handy. Ooh, I've never seen a pool cue like that! Haha, Uncle Henry, you goof  – he already owns a cane!"

                      [–]PhantomPhun -1 points0 points ago

                      If you've ever related to a blind person in real life, their surroundings are filled with all the regular stuff everyone has, so no - they rarely get "blind oriented" gifts as the default.

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                        [–]lolcatrt 3 points4 points ago

                        I am a sighted person who buys products for people with disabilities, so it's almost guaranteed that I will someday buy a Braille product for someone with a visual impairment.

                        I still laughed at this joke, though.

                        [–]PhantomPhun -1 points0 points ago

                        Well, yeah. Most jokes (intentional or not) rarely apply 100% to the public at large. A certain perspective is necessary.

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                          [–]Pays4Porn 10 points11 points ago

                          Most jokes aren't funny if you think about them enough.

                          [–]Jonny_Watts 16 points17 points ago

                          Some aren't funny until you think about them too much.

                          [–]BeardsNBarley 2 points3 points ago

                          Some things are funny that aren't jokes at all.

                          enlightenment

                          [–]sh0ch 0 points1 point ago

                          Some just aren't really funny with or without thinking about them.

                          [–]benihana68 2 points3 points ago

                          Some jokes aren't funny if you don't understand the funny part.

                          [–]yargd 2 points3 points ago

                          I used to work with a blind and deaf man. These are also quite useful: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Refreshable_Braille_display

                          [–]kon324[S] 4 points5 points ago

                          As an IT support professional, I know all about programs like JAWS and other screen readers. Its just Google's/the ad's wording that makes it sound silly/dickish.

                          [–]preske 39 points40 points ago

                          As an IT professional you should know google has zero to do with this.

                          [–]bcarle 11 points12 points ago

                          I feel like its intentionally phrased that way for the amusement of blind people. It's their eyes that don't work, not their sense of humor.

                          [–]bw1870 4 points5 points ago

                          Of course it is. This is so obviously to be taken as a joke by whoever wrote the ad, I'm not sure why this entire part of the thread even exists.

                          [–]bcarle 2 points3 points ago

                          I think the debate is whether it's a cruel joke at the expense of the blind, or a funny joke for the enjoyment of the blind. I'm going for the latter because I have faith in the decency of online copywriters.

                          [–]bw1870 6 points7 points ago

                          Also, why would a store catering to the blind intentionally try to offend them?

                          [–]bcarle 0 points1 point ago

                          Niche marketing to self-loathing blind people?

                          [–]PhantomPhun 0 points1 point ago

                          Not necessarily. Advertising, and particularly the less than stellar quality of adwords is often filled with non-sequitors that are totally not intended. The English language is complex and full of opportunity to get it wrong or twisted in intention.

                          [–]Katelyn89 0 points1 point ago

                          Some of the most hilarious people I know are blind.

                          [–]brettins 1 point2 points ago

                          I've said this elsewhere, but: Blind people use the verb "see" interchangeably with "experience". A blind watches / sees a movie and calls it that like everyone else. That said, for people not in the know, the joke is funny - so this post works! 1 upvote for you!

                          [–]akatherder 0 points1 point ago

                          thatsNOTthejoke.jpg

                          [–]Intrepid00 0 points1 point ago

                          Braille on drive thru ATMs still funny.

                          [–]carknerd 0 points1 point ago

                          I work with such software in my job, but I still laughed at this joke. It's still darkly funny, IMO.

                          [–]BobHope4477 1 point2 points ago

                          Cant you let a joke be funny? "A horse walks into a bar and says..." "um, actually if you've bothered to learn actual usefully facts you would know horses lack throat muscles capable of replicating human speech."

                          [–]Hadynosaurus_Rex 0 points1 point ago

                          Also, people forget that someone has to MAKE braille.

                          I work in a sign shop, and a large portion of my job is to make ADA-compliant braille signs. This ad shows up on our suppliers' sites sometimes, and is actually relevant and useful.

                          [–]Shadax -1 points0 points ago

                          Pretty sure they will still have a bit of trouble seeing the products.

                          [–]dontneedyourkarma 0 points1 point ago

                          I would be terrified of this many orange-reds

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                            [–]andrewsmith1986 2 points3 points ago

                            How do blind people find where braille is, anyway?

                            [–]professorhazard 20 points21 points ago

                            I appreciate that the ATM has braille on it, but I'm terrified of the blind person that drives up to it.

                            [–]Thomsenite 9 points10 points ago

                            All ATMs have braille because it's easier to have one standard model for drive in and sidewalks rather than have two separate ones.

                            [–]professorhazard 5 points6 points ago

                            BONUS QUESTION: How do blind people see what the electronic screen is displaying?

                            [–]Rilnac 20 points21 points ago

                            Most ATMs have a headphone jack

                            [–]professorhazard 0 points1 point ago

                            You're a winner!

                            [–]Sharrakor 5 points6 points ago

                            Bonus bonus question: IS YOU IN L~O~V~E?!

                            [–]Its_Be_A_Spork 2 points3 points ago

                            allofmywat.jpg

                            [–]Sharrakor 1 point2 points ago

                            You can tag people with Reddit Enhancement Suite, and attach a link to that tag so you don't forget why you tagged them. I thought Professor Hazard's story was funny, so I tagged him about it.

                            And what better day to relive his past comments than Professor Hazard's reddit birthday?

                            [–]professorhazard 1 point2 points ago

                            AAOOO!!

                            [–]cbarone1 2 points3 points ago

                            This, and, you know, rear driver side windows.

                            [–]themightypierre 1 point2 points ago

                            Freakonomics ? Sure I've heard that somewhere.

                            [–]lolcatrt 1 point2 points ago

                            My previous supervisor was blind, and he would back up the car for his wife.

                            [–]Fangs78 1 point2 points ago

                            TIL americans have drive in atms also...

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                              [–]carknerd 0 points1 point ago

                              Depends on what they are using it for, perhaps they get it from a library or academic institution, or delivered to them by a national organization for the blind. There is a certain amount of assistance involved by other people in any case but the internet has made blind people a lot more independent.

                              [–]Hadynosaurus_Rex 0 points1 point ago

                              On signs it's almost always near the bottom, below the text, which must also be raised according to ADA standards. The same applies to suite numbers as well.

                              4.30.4 Raised and Brailled Characters and Pictorial Symbol Signs (Pictograms). Letters and numerals shall be raised 1/32 in (0.8 mm) minimum, upper case, sans serif or simple serif type and shall be accompanied with Grade 2 Braille. Raised characters shall be at least 5/8 in (16 mm) high, but no higher than 2 in (50 mm). Pictograms shall be accompanied by the equivalent verbal description placed directly below the pictogram. The border dimension of the pictogram shall be 6 in (152 mm) minimum in height.

                              The Braille itself is actually standardized:

                              Dot diameter: .059 in. Inter-dot spacing: .090 in. Horizontal separation between cells: .241 in. Vertical separation between cells: .395 in.

                              So it's pretty easy to find.

                              There's some extremely dry and boring reading available, if you're interested.

                              [–]savior6 2 points3 points ago

                              that's brailley nice of them

                              [–]TheTalkingCamelAnus 3 points4 points ago

                              .. . .. . .. . .
                              . . .
                              . .. . .. . ..

                              [–]Uncoolio 14 points15 points ago

                              I don't see what you did there.

                              [–]JordanBelcher 0 points1 point ago

                              From what I just looked up, that says: "PÉÖÂKMÒ". Am I just really bad at reading braille?

                              [–]itsroryBbellows 0 points1 point ago

                              Ha, I see what you did there..oh wait..

                              [–]igotfudged 1 point2 points ago

                              http://i.imgur.com/6I9Z4.png

                              [–]Its_Be_A_Spork 0 points1 point ago

                              Too bad the blind didn't.

                              [–]nismomonkey 2 points3 points ago

                              of which I haven't seen before? Well of course... I am blind. Fuck you Google.

                              [–]BackOff_ImAScientist 0 points1 point ago

                              "many of which you've never seen before." Braille books is trolling...

                              [–]Vasilik 1 point2 points ago

                              A gif? Really

                              [–]vteckickedin 0 points1 point ago

                              I didn't even see that.

                              [–]BostonSxE 1 point2 points ago

                              As a heads up ads on Google are written by someone who works in Pay-Per-Click (PPC) marketing, not Google.

                              [–]spartanburger91 -1 points0 points ago

                              I don't see what's so funny here.

                              [–]vitorizzo 1 point2 points ago

                              i havent seen internet ads in years

                              [–]no_heroes 0 points1 point ago

                              i think they need a new copywriter.

                              [–]Temporaryy -1 points0 points ago

                              Google, Upvote

                              [–]jobs-ca 1 point2 points ago

                              Not everyone will see the funny side..Ha Ha.

                              [–]Okhranka -1 points0 points ago

                              I'm on my iPod right now. I thought it was a real ad, and waited 10 seconds for the page to load...

                              [–]kuiper3 0 points1 point ago

                              What if you're buying a surprise gift for someone blind and use incognito?

                              [–]Face_4_Radio 0 points1 point ago

                              Many of which you've never seen before.

                              [–]Jesus-TF-Christ 0 points1 point ago

                              Its not that stupid. If a blind person asks for a book as an xmas/birthday where are you going to look? Google.

                              [–]w00tski -1 points0 points ago

                              Lmao that's actually jokes

                              [–]KoalaDancin22 1 point2 points ago

                              I don't get it.

                              [–]cyborgsoup -1 points0 points ago

                              Our vast selection can't be beat, come and see for yourself.

                              [–]fr1ck 1 point2 points ago

                              "which you've never seen before"

                              I lol'd.

                              [–]UltimateKarmaWhore 0 points1 point ago

                              Hopefully not all blind people are that narrow-minded.

                              [–]spiral_in_the_sky 0 points1 point ago

                              FW: FW: FW: FW: RE: FW: RE: RE: FW: LOL GOOGLE

                              [–][deleted] 1 point2 points ago

                              Uh... what if you know someone who's blind and want to give them a gift?

                              [–]austinrks 0 points1 point ago

                              "That you've never seen before" this has to be a joke, right?

                              [–]karmaceutical 0 points1 point ago

                              ad us for caregivers friends and family of blind

                              [–]fuckfuckbuttnectar 0 points1 point ago

                              Blind people do have friends and relatives you know.

                              [–]Manimal33 0 points1 point ago

                              Feels flat...

                              [–]mowgley 1 point2 points ago

                              As a blind man I approve this.

                              [–]editthis7 1 point2 points ago

                              not like they'd be able to see that ad anyway.

                              [–]dime5150 0 points1 point ago

                              How weird. Just the other day I was wondering if Braille is a lost language since now we have computers that do all the work (reading books outloud etc).

                              [–]themightypierre 1 point2 points ago

                              So blind people can't use the internet ?

                              [–]kabomlamma 1 point2 points ago

                              google doesn't write these, they merely approve them

                              [–]nuxeon 0 points1 point ago

                              Braillebookstore.com had better the most fucking accessible site on the internet.

                              [–][deleted] ago

                              [deleted]

                              [–]DeuceSevin 0 points1 point ago

                              In this case I think OP write the ad.

                              [–]Cemetary 0 points1 point ago

                              Oh dude... are you implying people who are blind don't have friends/family that would use the internet? Blind mate presents is a HUGE market you know :p

                              [–]CaptainSpauIding 0 points1 point ago

                              This is older than time itself.

                              [–]DjKaiserCharles444 0 points1 point ago

                              Too bad I can't see the savings I will make.

                              [–]jonynas1 0 points1 point ago

                              They just wanted you to be more hands on.

                              [–]bromination 1 point2 points ago

                              Text to speech....

                              [–]DeuceSevin 1 point2 points ago

                              Exactly. Plus it's not real.

                              [–]NahumGardner 0 points1 point ago

                              . . . is not the same as reading to yourself.

                              [–]zombizle1 0 points1 point ago

                              this ad could also be for people who want to buy braille products for their friends/family

                              [–]Ancience 1 point2 points ago

                              These are made by businesses who buy ad space. Google doesn't make these...

                              [–]tikidreq 0 points1 point ago

                              Haha, I love how Google is including dark humor in their search now.

                              [–]pyroteknick 0 points1 point ago

                              Did you guys see that ad? Oh...wait...

                              [–]JayGold 0 points1 point ago

                              After opening the picture, I almost ignored it. It's weird how instantly I disregard ads.

                              [–]ImAVampiahImAVampiah 0 points1 point ago

                              "Many of which you've never SEEN before"... You don't say...

                              [–]DeuceSevin 0 points1 point ago

                              "I see", said the blind man as he picked up his hammer and saw.

                              [–]SkeeverTail 0 points1 point ago

                              Because only blind people are in the market for braille products...

                              [–]Lupinefiasco 0 points1 point ago

                              No one can say the ad didn't deliver what it promised.

                              [–]Noreasonsforthis 0 points1 point ago

                              Brilliant

                              [–]RevClamJuice 1 point2 points ago

                              Sadly this is a repost. Anyone seeking more info might also check here:

                              title comnts points age /r/
                              Touché Google... 235coms 1889pts 1yr funny
                              Seemed fine at first, then I read it. Google can be a bastard... 44coms 431pts 1yr funny

                              source: karmadecay

                              [–]worldent16 0 points1 point ago

                              Thanks Arthur

                              [–]Mzambrzuski 0 points1 point ago

                              Braillient!

                              [–]mpfredrick 0 points1 point ago

                              haha

                              [–]Krispyz 0 points1 point ago

                              'Cause blind people don't have friends and family.

                              [–]christiaanmeyer 0 points1 point ago

                              Excellent hahaha!

                              [–]tnerbusas 0 points1 point ago

                              Google doesn't write ads for companies.

                              [–]12LetterName 0 points1 point ago

                              Yeah, have you seen Stevie Wonders' new piano?

                              [–]itsbraille 0 points1 point ago

                              Relevant Screen Name.

                              [–]TreSRo3 0 points1 point ago

                              why .gif ?!?!?! some men just want to watch the world burn

                              [–]MetalDragon6666 0 points1 point ago

                              I speak fluent braille.

                              [–]fe3o4 0 points1 point ago

                              Don't worry, a blind person will never see that ad.

                              [–]QuaereVerumm 0 points1 point ago

                              Well, it is true.

                              [–]zergling50 0 points1 point ago

                              Oh irony, how i love thee.

                              [–]xTreeLine 0 points1 point ago

                              Ha! Never seen before!

                              [–]Kennyclone 0 points1 point ago

                              Wow that's a old photo. Still pretty funny though

                              [–]UnitedWeFail 0 points1 point ago

                              I can't see what you did there!

                              [–]giannini1222 0 points1 point ago

                              We didn't see anything.

                              Ever.

                              [–]randal2k 0 points1 point ago

                              LOL

                              [–]ExxL 0 points1 point ago

                              How would I be able to know what I'm ordering on that site if I'm blind anyway? What the fuck

                              [–]Wendallpie 0 points1 point ago

                              What I wonder is why they put braille on drive up ATMs, that scares me.

                              [–]NahumGardner 0 points1 point ago

                              1) So they don't have to make two different styles of ATM fronts. 2) Blind people can be passengers in cars.

                              [–]XNixk 0 points1 point ago

                              So you were searching the word Braille? Those damn Regis…

                              [–]RedundancyCheck 0 points1 point ago

                              Computers do have a text read-out option you know.

                              [–]itsroryBbellows 0 points1 point ago

                              I don't see your point.

                              [–]OllieWillie 0 points1 point ago

                              Yeahhhhh, Google host the ads, they dont make them.....

                              [–]serosis 0 points1 point ago

                              I can not stop laughing...

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