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When my opponent miracles Bonfire (i.imgur.com)
submitted 1 month ago by occupyhappiness
[–]Zephyr256k 55 points56 points57 points 1 month ago
Just played a game earlier today where I Duressed and saw two bonfires in my opponents hand, so I Duressed again and hit the other one.
Attack as usual and pass turn. Opponent draws... and it's a Bonfire
[–]xContradict 13 points14 points15 points 1 month ago
That's why you run 3! :P
[–]JerseyBricklayer 7 points8 points9 points 1 month ago
We do run 4 so we can draw them.
"OMG ! I can't BELIEVE you drew your 4 of's !'
[–]Filobel 13 points14 points15 points 1 month ago
Assuming this was on something like 4th or 5th turn, and that he was playing 4 copies (rather than three), chances of drawing a 3rd bonfire that turn was somewhere around 4% or 5% (depending how much drawing was involved, mulligans, etc.). So yeah, that was pretty lucky (though not impossible).
[–]thattoasterguy 79 points80 points81 points 1 month ago
TSG probably sold them the bonfire too.
[–]greg2367 21 points22 points23 points 1 month ago
too soon man, too soon T_T
[–]tosborn13 1 point2 points3 points 1 month ago
Just right soonness, otherwise nobody would know what the hell he was talking about.
[–]HyphyHonkey -2 points-1 points0 points 1 month ago
As someone who's met that prick in RL, I lol'd at this
[–]Wrenky 10 points11 points12 points 1 month ago
Is he a prick? I've only heard nice things about him, other than the "I'm a huge thief" part.
[–]Wzevon 9 points10 points11 points 1 month ago
Yea I've met him and he seemed like a pretty nice guy.
[–]HyphyHonkey 1 point2 points3 points 1 month ago
Tossing some kids card across the room, wouldn't check a little for MRB box pre-orders until I asked like two different people (other employees who were friendly at to this day are helpful and cool shit.)
Maybe he wasn't always one but he did things that were just major social faux pas
[–]JaggedOne 0 points1 point2 points 1 month ago
Newbie here. What is TSG?
[–]thattoasterguy 2 points3 points4 points 1 month ago
He was a pretty good guy who worked for ChannelFireball.com But this week he was severed from ChannelFireball because he was independently selling some expensive cards from ChannelFireballs resources through ebay, and there is now a joke with TSG and bonfires.
[–]Ryan2112 59 points60 points61 points 1 month ago
This is a bit more realistic.
[–]kiragami 25 points26 points27 points 1 month ago
I am usually never a fan of this guy or even this .gif in general but this time this fucking time it is the most fitting thing in the world.
[–]Archery999 2 points3 points4 points 1 month ago
Never realized the table was a DFC.
[–]HMR 2 points3 points4 points 1 month ago
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[–]tisactually_nohomo_ 0 points1 point2 points 1 month ago
All those cards! All that sorting D: unless they're all sleeved, then it's okay!
[–]Hirosakamoto 0 points1 point2 points 1 month ago
The guy that got flipped on should have been able to keep all of the cards that were on the table.
[–]Firevine 0 points1 point2 points 1 month ago
Why is this so mesmerizing?
[–]pitlord713 -12 points-11 points-10 points 1 month ago*
that video was so hilarious. i cant believe he actually did this
ya'll are fucked. it wasnt staged, he was just in character. I can assure you, that table was actually flipped
[–]Sillymemeuser 6 points7 points8 points 1 month ago
Saying it's staged doesn't mean we doubt the table was actually flipped. "Staged" means it was planned.
[–]DruidNick 1 point2 points3 points 1 month ago
Did this happen at an actual tournament?
[–]pineapple_catapult 18 points19 points20 points 1 month ago
It was staged. The guy is a youtube comedian.
[–]DruidNick 0 points1 point2 points 1 month ago
ok, link by any chance?
[–]pineapple_catapult 5 points6 points7 points 1 month ago
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mYuF3T7s7XY
[–]LightsSoundAction 1 point2 points3 points 1 month ago
"So I win, right?"
Bahahahahahahaha
[–]pineapple_catapult 1 point2 points3 points 1 month ago
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kNPBuIhVoAU&feature=relmfu is pretty funny too
[–]thebucho 25 points26 points27 points 1 month ago
I don't know why but if my opponent is playing bonfire he will miracle 3 of them per game. If I am playing bonfire I will draw three in my opening hand and then mull all the way to three drawing 3 bonfires every time.
[–]JerseyBricklayer 9 points10 points11 points 1 month ago
They troll me like that also. Especially in the finals of big events.
[–]Green-Daze 5 points6 points7 points 1 month ago
I never draw them in my opening hand, but the top 2 cards of my deck each game are always bonfires...
[–]Opulation 0 points1 point2 points 1 month ago
I know exactly what you mean. I only run 2, and it almost never fails that I'll have 1 in my opening hand, and the other is my very first draw, when its miracle is useless...
[–]loom_weaver 20 points21 points22 points 1 month ago
Started playing again during Avacyn Restored.
In my first booster draft I saw this card. Couldn't remember what the (X) meant and I forgot about the red glyph = mythic rare. Person beside me got a nice Bonfire.
rage
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[–]gyenen 3 points4 points5 points 1 month ago
Much less so, given that cavern is borderline useless in a draft, while bonfire is arguably the best rare/mythic in the set in draft.
[–]Green-Daze 2 points3 points4 points 1 month ago
I traded a cavern, sigarda, thrun, and some junk for 2 bonfires, a tamiyo, and 2 metamorphs the week after the prerelease. Easily the best trade I've ever made.
[–]hello_mellow 0 points1 point2 points 1 month ago
I was at a draft where a Snapcaster got passed 6 times before someone noticed it.
[–]hyugafan 3 points4 points5 points 1 month ago
Innistrad draft pod, friend on my left, he's sitting next to a new player. first pack he gets passed we hear an audible WTF!!!?.
guess who walked home with a foil snapcaster mage?
[–]Shadowcat0909 0 points1 point2 points 1 month ago
I pulled a Bonfire of the Damned during pre-release, when I just started seriously playing. At that time, the card was ridiculously undervalued, and I just thought it was a normal rare, so I ended up selling it to my LGS for 7$, because they sold it for 14$.
[–]Nyarlathotep124 -11 points-10 points-9 points 1 month ago
It's going for upwards of $40 now, congrats.
[–]Green-Daze 9 points10 points11 points 1 month ago
I think you misread that.
[–]Nyarlathotep124 -12 points-11 points-10 points 1 month ago
I think you should read this.
[–]dead1ock 5 points6 points7 points 1 month ago
Sarcasm can't be express through the internet.
[–]vonDread 0 points1 point2 points 1 month ago
And yet, the assholes still insist on pushing it.
[–]unhappymagicplayer 5 points6 points7 points 1 month ago
That's why you play blue black control!
[–]Wrenky 3 points4 points5 points 1 month ago
Or stuffy doll! You come to looooveeee seeing them top deck a bonfire, sigh sadly, and put it back in their hand.
[–]Nyarlathotep124 1 point2 points3 points 1 month ago
Or mono black control, or esper control, or my personal favorite, grixis control. Either way, control ftw.
[–]unhappymagicplayer 1 point2 points3 points 1 month ago
The only issue with those decks is they fold to U/B :(
[–]TankTarget 1 point2 points3 points 1 month ago
I've been playing Grixis for like 2 months and recently switched to UB. My MU vs other decks with Blue improved substantially.
[–]tosborn13 2 points3 points4 points 1 month ago
This is my favorite reaction to a bonfire or any miracle card.
[–]akaalkatraz 8 points9 points10 points 1 month ago
This card is the exact reason I sideboard 4 safe passages. If you know they have them, at a certain point you should be ready to counter it at any time.
[–]kirkkismet 16 points17 points18 points 1 month ago
this is also good BotD tech
[–]akaalkatraz 0 points1 point2 points 1 month ago
Very much so. Unfortunately I only own one :/
[–]MetallicDragon 0 points1 point2 points 1 month ago
It's really cheap, only $0.50 on starcitygames.com
Can't believe I missed that. I should definitely pick up a few then haha
[–]sebbyk 0 points1 point2 points 1 month ago
Love the flavour text on that card so much.
"It's actually quite simple, but since you've only recently begun to walk upright, it may take some time to explain." —Jace Beleren, to Garruk Wildspeaker
Love this flavour text so much.
[–]mutecl 1 point2 points3 points 1 month ago
Why you guys are downvoting this??
[–]atheistpiece 5 points6 points7 points 1 month ago
That's usually my opponents face.
I've been playing an esper control/reanimator strategy, and bonfire doesn't do shit against me. They either walk right into a mana leak/dissipate/negate, or they bonfire a wurmcoil or young greezy that I just gained a bunch from.
[–]Nyarlathotep124 5 points6 points7 points 1 month ago
Grixis control player here, bonfire immunity feels good.
[–]GrooGrux 3 points4 points5 points 1 month ago*
In the pre-release, I was playing for 1st/2nd and I was on game three and I was at 1. My opponent had a stupid good field of creatures and that one flying angel creature that makes everything indestructible or whatever. I had the guy that you can use to tap another creature, the blue one, he was soul bound to the creature that lets me untap him for U2. I had enough mana to tap all but one of his creatures. I had one card that could win me the game, everyone knew it. It was bonfire. I used this combo and chump blocked one of his creatures, it was the only way I could live. I only had one chump blocker. So, each turn I literally prayed for a miracle, I was doomed. I was literally just flipping my top card over, not even caring. I knew, he knew, everyone knew, I needed to either flip a creature to chump block or the the bonfire to win. Everyturn I would pray for a miracle and then flip the card and everyone would react. I flipped a chump blocker 6 times! I suppose those were 6 mini miracles. It was on the 7th turn of this that I flipped the bonfire! The room erupted! He did exactly what is seen in this GIF and split a 1 + 1/2 box prize while he walked away with 3 packs. I did not feel bad. It was a true miracle!
[–]zero_fucks_to_give 13 points14 points15 points 1 month ago
That prize structure should be criminal.
[–]GrooGrux 1 point2 points3 points 1 month ago
He might have gotten more then 3 packs, maybe it was 9. It was a box for first, 1/2 for second, 1/2 between 2/3rd and 1/2 split between the bottom 4 or something like that. It is actually a very fair prize structure considering there is usually only about 20/25 people.
[–]GrandArchitect 11 points12 points13 points 1 month ago
I think statistically your 6 chumps in a row are more of a miracle.
I know, right! It was making my opponent so mad. He was sure the had the game in the bag, and he had to pee!
[–]asmodeanreborn 1 point2 points3 points 1 month ago
I guess this is why it's tempting to run this in the sideboard.
[–]asmodeanreborn 0 points1 point2 points 1 month ago
Or run Mono-black with 4 Phyrexian Obliterators, I guess.
[–]Microchimp 2 points3 points4 points 1 month ago
Which is exactly what I do. 4 Oblits and 4 Phyrexian Crusaders. Come at me Bonfire!
[–]theshaper88 4 points5 points6 points 1 month ago
You have obviously never fought an opponent running Bonifre and Noxious Revival
[–]DeathSpank 10 points11 points12 points 1 month ago
More like obnoxious revival
amirite?
[–]mjdgoldeneye 12 points13 points14 points 1 month ago*
4 Bonfires, 4 Thunderous Wraths, 4 Noxious Revival, 4 Reclaim, 4 Faithless Looting, 4 Wild Guess, 4 Mulch, 4 Rampant Growth, 2 Farseek, 2 Incinerate, 24 land.
</deck>
EDIT: -2 Incinerate, -2 Farseek, +4 Increasing Vengeance
Sideboard: 4x Smelt 2x Naturalize 3x Slagstorm 4x Gutshot 2x Whipflare
[–]Shadowcat0909 1 point2 points3 points 1 month ago
I feel as though this might not work.
But part of me hopes it does.
[–]mjdgoldeneye 0 points1 point2 points 1 month ago
If you can get a Thunderous Wrath or Bonfire in the graveyard (or if you can top deck and play either), every time you draw a Noxious Revival or Reclaim, you can set up to miracle again.
Tons of draw (and discard) and some ramp means you won't be short on mana and you'll probably get those Revivals/Reclaims.
Plus, Thunderous Wrath + Increasing Vengeance is 10 damage for RRR.
You need to figure out how to draw during your opponent's turn. Think twice would work great if it was inside these colours.
[–]kampai12 2 points3 points4 points 1 month ago
I remember that, he was stuck on 4 mana and bonfired me like 4 times for 2 each time.
[–]Krose13 0 points1 point2 points 1 month ago
This is spot on!
[–]dontbiteitholmes 0 points1 point2 points 1 month ago
Yep, looks about right.
[–]Nyarlathotep124 -1 points0 points1 point 1 month ago
Heh, it feels good to be the control player.
[–]pgan91 1 point2 points3 points 1 month ago
Dissipate.
Then watch them rage.
[–]wingman2011 3 points4 points5 points 1 month ago
Outwit. Do the same thing, but for 1 mana.
[–]pgan91 2 points3 points4 points 1 month ago
Uh... do you know anybody who actually runs outwit in their deck?
[–]wingman2011 5 points6 points7 points 1 month ago
No, I don't. Sometimes I just like throwing fringe cards out there because I can.
[–]atheistpiece 1 point2 points3 points 1 month ago
'eh... I'd rather have the dissipate. Outwit is too narrow.
[–]brentbuchanan 1 point2 points3 points 1 month ago
New player, second FNM (Inn-block constructed). I did this to the guy who taught me how to play.
He miracles Bonfire, I play outwit. I didn't beat him, but he burst out laughing at my dumb luck.
Why? You have a larger chance of having it in your hand than he does of drawing it that turn.
Youth in Revolt! :D
[–]chautemoc 0 points1 point2 points 1 month ago
I love this movie so damn much.
[–]contradicting_you 0 points1 point2 points 1 month ago
So, are there any cards that can manipulate the top of your opponent's deck in Standard?
[–]tenchimal 0 points1 point2 points 1 month ago
Maybe I'm a newb but is the difference between X and XX? and if there is none then whats the big deal about the miracle cost?
[–]brkn613 0 points1 point2 points 1 month ago
You have to pay the same cost for X. So to do 4 damage with bonfire normally, you would have to may 4 for the first X, 4 for the second X, and then the 2 red.
(I don't have the exact rule number, but would put it if I did.)
[–]mackpack -8 points-7 points-6 points 1 month ago
And that's why miracle is a stupid mechanic.
[–]koolkid005 -3 points-2 points-1 points 1 month ago
You mean an interesting one. Is flash a stupid mechanic because snapcaster has it?
[–]InterwebCeleb 11 points12 points13 points 1 month ago
Your analogy is highly flawed. Flash is interesting because it adds power and strategy to the card. Miracle is not interesting because all it does is add to the power of luck.
[–]abutterfly 9 points10 points11 points 1 month ago
"That's the POWER of luck..."
No, but seriously, the problem with Miracle is the huge disparity in costs. Instead of having things like a strictly better Unsummon (U for cast, 0 to miracle) or 3-mana Doom Blades that cost B to Miracle, they made things that were unplayable to hardcast but insane to Miracle (Banishing Stroke, I'ma lookin' at you).
[–]thesilentpyro 2 points3 points4 points 1 month ago
Well, that is fitting in the flavor of a Miracle; something incredible happens right when you need it.
[–]SirPrize 1 point2 points3 points 1 month ago
I would be fine with Miracle, if the advantage of it wasn't so huge. It would be fine to give a small bonus, but most of the time it is too game breaking.
[–]koolkid005 1 point2 points3 points 1 month ago
That would just be... boring. Oh I got my kill spell for 1 mana less... yay? Now, FUCK YES MIRACLED ANGELS! That's fun.
[–]mackpack -6 points-5 points-4 points 1 month ago
It's a stupid mechanic because it increases the influence luck has on the game. Many miracles are super swingy (Bonfire, Entreat the Angels, Revenge of the Hunted and to a lesser extend Temporal Mastery).
[–]nod 23 points24 points25 points 1 month ago
Miracle is today's cascade.
[–]greg2367 1 point2 points3 points 1 month ago
we like you.
[–]TheCid 0 points1 point2 points 1 month ago
Almost. Cascade was a swingy broken mechanic that could be finessed to guarantee a certain result - see Cascade Hypergenesis decks for an example.
Miracle is purely luck-based, and there's no way to take that element out like there is with Cascade.
[–]DaGarver 4 points5 points6 points 1 month ago
Miracle isn't purely luck-based when Brainstorm, Sylvan Library, and Scroll Rack exist. Granted, none of these cards will be gracing Standard anytime soon, but Cascade didn't exactly have Hypergenesis, either. So, in context, I think Miracle is about as swingy as Cascade is.
That being said, Miracle is designed to be swingy. I think it might be a bit over the top, though. When you can be dead on board twice over and still kill your opponent from 20 with a Bonfire off the top, something just feels wrong.
[–]mushmancat 3 points4 points5 points 1 month ago
Anyone who complains about luck in a card game is playing the wrong game.
[–]mackpack 1 point2 points3 points 1 month ago*
If there was a way of playing Magic with all its cool card interactions and intricate rules without any element of luck I'd do it. Since some decks would be way stronger than others in such a format that wouldn't really be fun, but if it was properly balanced I would, as I said, play that game.
edit: Also, there is a difference between a completely luck based game, for example who draws the higher card from the top of his properly randomized deck with two equal decks and weighted luck, where skill influences the outcome of the game. Magic is the latter, obviously, since skill before and during the game influence the game itself. Miracles tilt it further into the former category though, which I dislike.
But, since such a game doesn't exist I am stuck with Magic, which, don't get me wrong, I love and have done so for the last almost 10 years. I just don't like increasing the luck-factor in a game that is played competitively.
I also don't like how miracles are almost unhardcastable. Wouldn't something like this be less unfun for the opponent and still hardcastable.
[–]DexManus 2 points3 points4 points 1 month ago
There is certainly a way to play magic and eliminate the luck. Each draw action becomes a tutor effect instead. Follow the rest of the rules the same and now it is purely deck construction and play decisions. The problem is this style would be BROKEN beyond belief. The luck aspect of magic is what balances the unbelievable strength of a lot of the cards. If you are really interested in a tactical game that has zero luck then I would suggest chess. Otherwise you need to understand and respect that luck is the major balancing factor of the game. Regarding miracles specifically, if they were really distorting the skill required to win then we wouldn't still see the best players continuing to win tournaments.
[–]Karunamon -2 points-1 points0 points 1 month ago*
My group has gotten very irritated at me for my propensity for pulling Entreat at precisely the right time. Today:
3 life remain Green/blue deck, elves everywhere On the hook for upwards of 50 damage that I won't be able to block Land flooded all game Last turn comes up Pull entreat angels My best poker face as I say "Well shoot, looks like you win.. all I have is this.. " Tap 12 plains Plunk down entreat Look on opponent's face was priceless
3 life remain
Green/blue deck, elves everywhere
On the hook for upwards of 50 damage that I won't be able to block
Land flooded all game
Last turn comes up
Pull entreat angels
My best poker face as I say "Well shoot, looks like you win.. all I have is this.. "
Tap 12 plains
Plunk down entreat
Look on opponent's face was priceless
Miracles are such fun. Hope they keep them around in future sets.
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Jace's Archivist.
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