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Tracy Morgan: Grammar Police (i.imgur.com)

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[–]Second_Location 57 points58 points ago

I must be living in Horseville cuz I'm surrounded by neigh-sayers. Wordplay!

[–]ReliableSource 2 points3 points ago

That is solid.

[–]junglist918 0 points1 point ago

Probably my favorite line of the whole series.

[–]AbsurdWebLingo -5 points-4 points ago

You're the reason babies cry at night.

[–]moondizzlepie 32 points33 points ago

As a Linguistics Major, this is a prescriptivist view of language. This view is pretty much one that views all rules as necessary and usually doesn't like change.

I am a descriptivist. This means I view/watch/document language instead of saying what is right or wrong. As long as the person using the words/phrase believes them to be correct and he/she is understood by others, the words/phrase works.

[–]six_six_twelve 13 points14 points ago

Not only that, but there's nothing grammatically wrong with it. All the junk about "'well' is an adverb" is misguided.

[–]suparMacho 21 points22 points ago

you make a well point.

[–]treycook 8 points9 points ago

That shit cray

[–]bernporter 1 point2 points ago

Cray cray.

[–]cul_maith 4 points5 points ago

Yep. Good and well are near synonymous and have the same syntactic role in this context.

[–]duderMcdude 3 points4 points ago

I wouldn't say they are synonymous (well often being specifically in regards to health), but the difference is slight at best.

[–]cul_maith 0 points1 point ago

Good point. Adding "near". I'd say doing good and well are more synonymous.

[–]D_Lumps 1 point2 points ago

Keenan and Kel star in Well Burger

[–]cul_maith 0 points1 point ago

hahaha nice.

They're not interchangeable in Good Burger because the 'good' in the previous example has a different theta role than the 'good' in Good Burger (home of the Good Burger). I believe the previous 'good' is an experiencer and the 'good' in Good Burger is a theme, but don't quote me on that. Semantics is a serious headache.

[–]Celtslap 0 points1 point ago

I teach my students (in Australia) that this is a structure of American English. The US often seems to use adjectives where we'd use adverbs. Eg. 'You did it perfect.' I don't teach them that it's wrong though- just different. British English also has some structures we don't use here. Have you ever heard a Brit say 'I was sat on the bus' ?

[–]stillnotking 0 points1 point ago

Out of curiosity, as an Australian, does "You're driving too fast" or "You're driving too quickly" sound more natural?

[–]Celtslap 0 points1 point ago

The first sounds more natural in that case. I wonder what a Brit would say. We tend to pick & choose between US & British English, pretty much at random.

[–]six_six_twelve -1 points0 points ago

"You did it perfect" is grammatically incorrect by currently accepted standards in the US. Those standards call for an adverb.

It's like Aussies (and Americans) who say, "youse." It's true that people talk like that, but it's not (yet) true that it's considered acceptable.

That's different from this case, in which "well" and "good" are both being used as adjectives. Neither is incorrect, grammatically, even to a strict prescriptivist. The people who think that something is wrong have a misunderstanding of the grammar.

SOCIALLY, however, it's better to use "well," because it sounds correct to most educated ears, in Australia (where I live) and in the US (where I originate).

Here's one source but there are more.

[–]Lorpius_Prime 2 points3 points ago

First, out of curiosity, how would you describe the grammar of the original example? Has "good" become an adverb? Or are adjectives now able to modify nouns?

Second, as a person who would like to be able to easily communicate across great lengths of time: I hate you and your wimpy stance on grammar. May you find a comfortable place in Hell next to Neville Chamberlain and other Appeasers.

[–]gatorbuck 2 points3 points ago

Or are adjectives now able to modify nouns?

Is this a new thing? What else would they modify?

[–]Lorpius_Prime 1 point2 points ago

Verbs! I meant verbs, dammit.

I'm not even going to edit it. I must be punished.

[–]six_six_twelve 1 point2 points ago

I'm not the person you're asking, but I have an answer.

Good has not become an adverb. Adjectives, of course, DO modify nouns. I'll assume that you meant to ask whether adjectives modify verbs, and they do not.

In the example, both good and well are acting as adjectives, they're both modifying the subject, and they're both correct. "Doing" is acting as a linking verb.

Think of it this way: How are you feeling? I'm feeling healthy!

Why not, "I'm feeling healthily"? Because "feeling" is a linking verb, and healthy modifies "I". It's the same in the original.

[–]lordhumunguss 1 point2 points ago

as a linguistics major, you made a dangling modifier error (Troll face)

[–]eythian 4 points5 points ago

And this is the kind of thing up with which we will not put.

[–]moondizzlepie 0 points1 point ago

prescriptivist prick

[–]stillnotking 1 point2 points ago

This is one of those rules that no one adheres to in practice. Ever said "You're going too fast?" You're guilty of the same thing. I guarantee Tracy Morgan has done it at some point on the show, too. In conversational English, using an adjective to modify a gerund won't make anyone think less of you, or even notice. Unless they're deliberately being a pedantic asshole.

[–]levancie -1 points0 points ago

Can I ask your opinion on a grammatical issue? Great, 'cause here I go, asking it. If I say, "How are you?" and the response is, "I'm well!", I tend to be perturbed. To me, it is the result of people overdoing the good/well pedantry to the point of being incorrect. Doesn't "I am well" technically mean that you are good at BEING, like EXISTING? I would argue that "I am good" is better than "I am well," where "I am doing well" is better than "I am doing good". As you said you are a descriptivist, I think I can guess that your answer will be that whatever is said is fine. I am just curious to know what you have to say, as I was having this conversation not ten minutes ago. Thankee

[–]Raverenx 1 point2 points ago

"Well"

adjective 11. in good health; sound in body and mind: Are you well? He is not a well man. 12. satisfactory, pleasing, or good: All is well with us.

"Good"

adverb 49. Informal . well.

[–]gatorbuck 0 points1 point ago

"I'm good" is fine because "to be" is a linking verb where the predicate is an adjective that describes the subject. You wouldn't say "I am shortly" or "I am fatly."

[–]six_six_twelve 0 points1 point ago

Either way. "Well" and "good" both modify the subject, not the verb. "Am" and "doing" both link to the subject.

They are both exactly the same, grammatically, and neither one is wrong or better, except that "well" carries a faint hint of meaning healthy.

[–]moondizzlepie 0 points1 point ago

What I would call this is overt prestige. It's usually when people opt to use a more 'grammatically correct' version instead of a common term. We label those people as pricks. Another funny thing about prestige is when people over do it. For instance, some people know the correct usage of 'whom.' While others just know it as in some places it is correct. This is when the uninformed people start to use 'whom' every time they should be using 'who.'

[–]gatorbuck -2 points-1 points ago

It works in the sense that it gets the point across. It doesn't work in the sense that it shows a lack of intellectual rigor and curiosity, ie, it makes you look like someone who's never read a book or a newspaper.

[–]six_six_twelve 2 points3 points ago

It's true that, sadly, lots of people think they know grammar better than they do. Then they judge other people for using perfectly correct grammar!

This happens lots of times, like the correct use of an adjective in "I'm doing good," or ending a sentence with a preposition, or splitting an infinitive. They're all correct grammar, but people who don't know better will make incorrect judgements about the writer.

[–]gatorbuck -3 points-2 points ago

There's only one e in "judgment."

[–]six_six_twelve 2 points3 points ago

Not where I live (Australia), but thanks for illustrating yet another case of people acting as though others are wrong when they're not.

Anyway, I'm sure I do have the occasional spelling or grammatical error in my Reddit posts. It doesn't change the points that I make (which is why I didn't point out the imperfect grammar in your post. What's the point?).

[–]gatorbuck 1 point2 points ago

I was just teasing, but your Commonwealth status seems to have ruined the intended effect.

[–]six_six_twelve 0 points1 point ago

You know, I originally wrote, "You're probably joking, but..."

Alas, my stridency won over my better judgEment.

Upvote for you.

[–][deleted] 129 points130 points ago

too bad there isn't a repost police

[–]Bryz_ 21 points22 points ago

It's a job the mods refuse to do. I guess our only power is the downvote.

[–]FireReadyAim 26 points27 points ago

That's how it's supposed to work. The logic is that if people upvote it, it's new to them.

[–]BaconForce 2 points3 points ago

Yup. Votes solve this problem. If something becomes known to everyone, it will stop making the front page. Just cuz you spend every waking moment on Reddit and doesn't mean the casual browsers can't enjoy what you've already seen.

[–]BaronVonSlapNuts -3 points-2 points ago

Oh really?

[–]milesd37 18 points19 points ago

people who complain about reposts are self centered... i mean, i don't see everything that comes to the front page... so this repost was awesome for me, as i would have never enjoyed it before..

[–]ZeGoldMedal 5 points6 points ago

Precisely! There's even an xkcd that details this!

[–]funkymoose 0 points1 point ago

I don't mind seeing a repost or two, bit when you've seen it for the third or 4th time, and it wasn't funny/ a good post the first time starts to get a little annoying.

[–][deleted] ago

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[–]milesd37 9 points10 points ago

first off, who the fuck cares about karma?

second off, imagine this... a part time redditor (ie, someone who as a job that isn't in an office and/or leaves home for things and events occasionally) sees a very humorous thing online, and posts a link to it here in order to share it with you... only to find out that 6 months ago this very image was posted...

i know, the nerve...

but other than that, people call reposts on things that were originals too... like when you see something IRL (you know, that whole part time thing) so you whip (pronounce the "H", you know you want to) out your phone and snap a picture of it, only to find out that another redditor 4 months ago posted a picture of the same thing...

damn johnny come lately's, i didn't get any karma for my picture... REPOST!

edit: forgot to define my second off

[–]gameguy285 3 points4 points ago

you can't be self centered if you don't know its a repost... the reason this stuff gets upvoted again is because most people can't be on reddit 24/7 so a huge chunk of content is only seen by a small percentage of viewers. the only shit i'm sick of is people clogging the comments with repost complaints. if you've seen it before MOVE ON and let the people who haven't seen it enjoy themselves

[–]BIG_AMERIKAN_T_T_S 0 points1 point ago

It's a mod's job to keep posts within the rules, I don't see a "no reposts" rule.

[–]Momma_Coprocessor 2 points3 points ago

He went into a sad, early retirement. http://www.reddit.com/user/mrohhai

[–]Tehc 3 points4 points ago

Seems to me that's what you're trying to be.

[–]notreallyslimshady 4 points5 points ago

Just don't tell his gf

[–][deleted] -2 points-1 points ago

i'm the hero reddit deserves, but not the one it needs right now

[–]museveni 1 point2 points ago

Make it happen dtg.

[–]dontneedyourkarma 0 points1 point ago

Ohh but there is. You can them at almost any repost

[–]BricksThrown 0 points1 point ago

I think you accidentally a word.

[–]dontneedyourkarma 0 points1 point ago

I like to leave things up for interpretation

[–]pauerplayer35 -1 points0 points ago

this should be a thing! reddit we need to make this happen!

[–]Weritomexican -1 points0 points ago

http://karmadecay.com/i.imgur.com/WQm77.jpg There can be, If you step up to the challenge and call them on it with evidence

[–]Cottonteeth[S] 3 points4 points ago

Huh. I didn't even know that website existed. Honestly, I just saw the picture and thought it was funny. I'd never seen it before on Reddit, so I posted it; and I spend quite a lot of time on Reddit (though usually on minor subreddits). The fact that I've never seen it before baffles me if it's upvoted that much.

Weird.

[–]ClockStalker 1 point2 points ago

/u/Cottonteeth: Analyzing 1141 comments and submissions over the last 1017 days

Hypothesized location: Western North America

Time is an illusion, lunchtime doubly so

[–]Cottonteeth[S] 0 points1 point ago

Hmm. I guess that would explain why. The vast majority of things I see during my waking hours are things that are posted during the middle of the night. I imagine close to 75% (or some other imaginary percentage) of Redditors are much more active when I am not.

[–]syflox -2 points-1 points ago

Yeah, it's a repost. So what? Downvote and move on. Announcing it here isn't going to change peoples' opinions.

EDIT: Well this post is ironic, but hopefully you still get the point.

[–]Quangaroo 5 points6 points ago

Tracy Jordan: Grammar Police Tracy Morgan: Actor

[–]joeromag 44 points45 points ago

Cottonteeth: Reposter

[–][deleted] 10 points11 points ago

let it be known! have him wear the cone of shame

[–]Kuusou 9 points10 points ago

CONE OF SHAME! CONE OF SHAME!

[–]milesd37 14 points15 points ago

"I do not like the cone of shame"

[–]ophanim 2 points3 points ago

I really feel like the original concept behind his character was someone who acted like an idiot but was actually rather intelligent.

Then they turned the camera on.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points ago

you doin' well.

way to go, grammar police.

[–]leche08 3 points4 points ago

I think this might have been the first thing I ever saw on Reddit.

[–]Sassalot 5 points6 points ago

That's a great line in the context of that episode too. Toofer's face is hilarious.

[–]Big-Baby-Jesus 3 points4 points ago

For those that don't know, the context is that it's the first time Tracy meets the writers.

[–]fnmeng 5 points6 points ago

Also Toofer is the pretentious "I went to Harvard" archetype where Tracey is the loveable buffoon.

[–]pBlast 5 points6 points ago

And Tracy Jordan usually appears to be rather dimwitted and uneducated making the grammar correction unexpected.

[–]pBlast 0 points1 point ago

The line really isn't that humorous out of context (in my opinion), but Redditors like it because many of them are grammar nazis themselves.

[–]six_six_twelve 1 point2 points ago

And like most grammar nazis, they get it wrong. There's nothing grammatically wrong with saying good in that sentence.

EDIT: A source and another

[–]Maxfunky 0 points1 point ago

The first source is right on "I'm good", but wrong on "I'm feeling good". I just don't see how you can suggest that "good" in that context is modifying "I" and not "feeling". That's obviously not a strict interpretation.

[–]six_six_twelve 1 point2 points ago

Because "I'm feeling well" means, "I'm feeling healthy." It doesn't mean "I'm feeling healthily," which would be the adverb modifying the verb.

Well and healthy are both adjectives in that sentence.

If your fingertips have healed from the burn, then you can say, "I'm feeling well," and mean it as an adverb.

[–]ratking11 1 point2 points ago

Kern that supennnan.

[–]whytofu 6 points7 points ago

If I had a nickel for every time I saw this image, I'd have have ten cents. Those two nickels would be lost somewhere in my room, becoming duller as the years pass; forgotten, unneeded, eventually joined by other useless coins. One day, perhaps as I am moving out to start life anew in a different city, I will discover these abandoned coins and think they may amount to at least ten dollars. Taking said coins to a Coinstar proves, however, that the crack between the bed and the wall held a measly $2.83, reduced to a negligible $1.33 by the damned machine. Usable only as store credit, the $1.33 is spent on a meager Snickers bar ($0.99), the $0.34 becoming lost to the ether with the receipt.

[–]trainsacrossthesea 0 points1 point ago

Enjoy the journey my friend. You, and that goddamn, beautiful, coin-finding ability are taking you places. Enjoy the ride. Follow the spirit, but lead with the heart. There are many, many Snickers in your future.

[–]isthatirony 0 points1 point ago

I wish more people would have such a creative way of complaining about reposts

[–]Dugen 6 points7 points ago

It would be funnier if it wasn't wrong.

"I'm doing good" is grammatically correct.

[–]TheNerdWithNoName 10 points11 points ago

Also if Tracy's reply wasn't incorrect. Should be "You are doing well."

EDIT: reply not replay. Of course I had to fuck it up when pointing out someone else's mistakes. sigh

[–]clemsonfan1 0 points1 point ago

That's the joke, though. Tracy corrects his grammar and then fucks it up.

[–]anonPen -3 points-2 points ago

the people down-voting don't know the difference between word-choice and grammar (word order).

the issue for those who don't notice it is how the affected party might be doing good but not doing well. he might be behaving in a moral/ethical manner, but not be in 'good' health.

[–]chamora 12 points13 points ago

"I'm doing good" answers the question "What are you doing?", not "How are you doing?", which was asked.

[–]six_six_twelve 0 points1 point ago

It can answer either, equally well.

[–]Kinbensha 0 points1 point ago

Linguist here.

Except in colloquial English, both are perfectly acceptable.

People need to learn the difference between grammatically correct, which is a description of the innate rules of grammar unique to an individual's idiolect, and "conventionally correct" in formal Standard American English/Standard British, etc, such as in formal writing, essays, news, etc.

They're not the same, don't follow the same rules, and are completely different registers of the English language.

[–]skylinegtr6800 0 points1 point ago

Accept -> Except

[–]Kinbensha 0 points1 point ago

Haha. Good catch. Editing.

[–]Freeeeeman -2 points-1 points ago

What the fuck are you talking about? He says, quote, "How you doing over there Theodore Huxtable?"

[–]Freeeeeman 4 points5 points ago

  1. "Word choice" is not hyphenated, as you generally only hyphenate compound modifiers.
  2. Grammar is not simply word order.
  3. The issue is that he used "good" as an adjective, which is not grammatically correct because adjectives modify nouns, not verbs. Of course the difference is pedantic and its acceptability depends wholly on what grammatical school you subscribe to; this kills the joke.

[–]six_six_twelve 0 points1 point ago

Number three is a non-issue. In fact, "well" is used as an adjective in that sentence, and "doing" is acting as a linking verb.

Like, "you smell good." Smell links "good" to the subject.

"Well" isn't modifying "doing," as an adverb would. Otherwise, we could ask "what is it that you are doing well?"

Both well and good serve the same function in that sentence, and the difference is one of snobbery, not grammar.

EDIT: a source

[–]bibimcmacky 1 point2 points ago

My grandmother makes the same joke, but replaces Superman with God.

[–]chamora 0 points1 point ago

How ironic.

[–]hrdxxcorey -1 points0 points ago

repost

[–]FAP_IN_THE_BOX 0 points1 point ago

LIZ LEMON.

[–]JustifiesBadGrammar 1 point2 points ago

But he was doing good, he played a crucial role in this plot to teach younguns about grammar!

[–]enaim254 0 points1 point ago

I even have a column in Ebony called Musings.

[–]conley46 0 points1 point ago

grammar police on duty...better watch that grammar!

[–]BansheeScreams 1 point2 points ago

You know this show is good if you can post any conversation they have and still get karma.

[–]sufrt 0 points1 point ago

what's the joke

[–]m4ttm4n1 0 points1 point ago

He's black.

[–]SuddenBigotry 1 point2 points ago

Thats MY line!

[–]m4ttm4n1 0 points1 point ago

I'm sorry. Here's an upvote.

[–]six_six_twelve 0 points1 point ago

Both people in the conversation are black, so try harder.

[–]bioshockd 0 points1 point ago

What's the past tense of scam? Is it scrumpt? I think you got scrumpt, Liz Lemon.

[–]hero0fwar 0 points1 point ago

check out /r/30ROCK

[–]lettheflowgo 0 points1 point ago

i thought he stuck a pen up his nose

[–]Parkmayn 1 point2 points ago

"He's evil Tracy???"

. . .

"Ohhhhhhh, he's evil comma Tracy."

[–]DetectiveObvious 0 points1 point ago

you're doing good*

[–]TSwannM 1 point2 points ago

It's not a repost if I haven't seen it.

[–]namith 0 points1 point ago

The problem I have with this is that it makes it seem as though the difference between "good" and "well" in this context is a matter of degree. I understand that that's not what it means, and that that's not even exactly what is said here, but the most obvious difference between the two situations discussed (Superman versus normal guy) is that Superman does lots of really big, awesome stuff.

[–]Atom_Smasher -1 points0 points ago

You doin'

Oh, sweet hypocrisy.

[–]mega_shit 1 point2 points ago

Too bad "I'm good" is a fine response:

http://grammar.quickanddirtytips.com/good-versus-well.aspx

[–]Killhouse -1 points0 points ago

That scene did not involve that character, it was between Tracy and Toofer.

Also, Superman does do good, the word has a dual meaning, and is perfectly fine in that context. This is a very old and outdated grammatical gotchya that is well beyond use.

[–]ColorsLikeSPACESHIPS 0 points1 point ago

When someone throws that at me, I respond with "No, I am actively fighting crime."

Well, I don't. But I will!

[–]Covri 1 point2 points ago

That scene did not involve that character, it was between Tracy and Toofer.

Um, isn't that Toofer in the top panel?

[–]Killhouse 0 points1 point ago

I didn't see him because of he's so dark.

[–]V1bration 0 points1 point ago

You're*

[–]2LabsGuy -1 points0 points ago

I mean really, whose fault is it, the inexperienced OP, or the idiots in NEW who upvoted this shit!?

[–]Cottonteeth[S] 0 points1 point ago

Probably everyone involved. I'd never seen it before, posted it, didn't think anything of it. Wasn't expecting it to even hit above ten upvotes. If you want to complain about reposting, you're going to have to make sure everyone sees everything ever all the time.

[–]Nibas 0 points1 point ago

Cookies taste good, you do things well.

[–]six_six_twelve 1 point2 points ago

"How are you doing" isn't asking how well you're doing something. It's asking whether you are experiencing a feeling of general well-being. And either good or well is an ok answer, grammatically.

[–]PotatoDonki 0 points1 point ago

Oh look, this again. Reddit is populated by Philip J. Fries. Fries for days.

[–]danedward 0 points1 point ago

someone just started watching first season 30 rock

[–]Threemor 0 points1 point ago

Every time this photo is reposted, there is never an issue with him saying, "You doin' well." That's improper grammar, as well.

[–]soupsoundsgood 0 points1 point ago

"A RIB CAGE!"

[–]Ryguythescienceguy 0 points1 point ago

This isn't funny at all if you don't have the context of the show. This line is hilarious if you know there characters but to someone who doesn't (which I'm assuming is a large chunk of reddit) this is meaningless circlejerking over the love of "grammar police".

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point ago

'good' and 'well' are not always the same. e.g. "how are you" - "I'm good' (this is bad grammar in British English) It used to be said only in USA but is now commonly used in Britain also. Still, you would probably loose a mark in a school exam for not saying, "I am well".

[–]Yellowtofu 0 points1 point ago

It's you're doing well, Tracy Morgan. One cannot do a well.

[–]TraderRager 0 points1 point ago

Says you, prude.

[–]Shadefox 0 points1 point ago

Isn't it supposed to be "You ARE doing well."?

Pot, kettle?

[–]Pulpcowboy 0 points1 point ago

Anyone have a link to this clip??? It would be much appreciated.

[–]tommy2fingers 0 points1 point ago

Godspeed Tracy. That's going to be an uphill battle, if there ever was one.

[–]TractorBeamTuesdays -1 points0 points ago

It's time the world caught up on this. The original use of "good" here IS grammatically correct. There is no correction necessary. Language changes based on its use. If you disagree with that, you've probably never read anything written outside of your life time.

Language is a fluid thing and it's uses change as people use them differently. People know what you mean through this use of good and it is used commonly, making it correct.

[–]JudaXI -1 points0 points ago

DDDOOOOUUUUUCCCCCHHHHHEEEEEEE

[–]TractorBeamTuesdays 0 points1 point ago

Thank you for contributing so much.

[–]JudaXI 0 points1 point ago

You're Welcome ;)

[–]xBURNONEx 0 points1 point ago

He wasn't this appropriate on Wu Massacre.

[–]Joshua_3991 0 points1 point ago

I don't know why i laughed so hard at this.

[–]FartonBink 2 points3 points ago

Tracy Jordan. FTFY

[–]ZippyKitty 1 point2 points ago

It's a plane! It's a bird! Nope just some guy with poor grammar

[–]justmadethisaccountt -1 points0 points ago

Oh shit, I get to be joke_explainer today for karma: It's funny because on the show, he's supposed to be a dumb nigger.

[–]six_six_twelve 1 point2 points ago

Well, he's supposed to be dumb. The guy he's talking to is supposed to be smart (Harvard-educated and all). Both characters are black.

[–]PopWhatMagnitude 2 points3 points ago

As well as in earlier in that episode Toofer expresses his distain for Tracy for being buffoon.

Some of the best 30 Rock scenes are Tracy v. Toofer.

[–]SirBlackballs 0 points1 point ago

OH GOD, fuck off with this. a.) It's Tracy Jordan on 30 Rock b.) Reposted so hard my asshole slipped out of orbit

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