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[–]RedCravat 133 points134 points ago

Psychic pokemon were just too overpowered in the first generation.

[–]Dugarito 72 points73 points ago

That and Firespin (or any other trap move) + Toxic = lol done.

Not to mention that there are no legitimate Ghost type moves.

However, Fire Red / Leaf Green are still one of my absolute favorite entries into the series. There's nothing wrong with an update to a classic.

[–]Lapid 38 points39 points ago

This right here. Flawless mix of 90s nostalgia and 00s excecution.

Sidenote: Is that how you say it? 00s? I know there's "noughties" but that sounds silly.

[–]Orval 12 points13 points ago

I just say "thousands", sounds slightly less stupid than "noughties"

[–][deleted] 15 points16 points ago

I just call it the aughts.

[–]PigAss 16 points17 points ago

I call it the naughties because it makes me feel WILD!

[–]Tha_kira 0 points1 point ago

If your a hot female you can make money off that.

[–]Ejvind 10 points11 points ago

I say "oh-oh's"

[–]InfernalRain 7 points8 points ago

I just say the twothousands.

[–]Tonytarium 7 points8 points ago

I thought HG/SS were really well done, i played my Soul Silver for hours, classic game taste with fancy new graphics

[–]Quarksy 1 point2 points ago

FR and LG are why gen 3 is the best. It added three amazing games into the series (R/S/E) and two great remakes (FR/LG)

[–]pablo_montoya 15 points16 points ago

Only things that were super effective to them were bug type moves, and there were less than a handful of offensive Bug type moves (Pin Missile, Leech Life, and something else I think)

[–]offthecane 13 points14 points ago

Twinneedle. Only Beedrill could learn it, but it did a fair amount of damage.

[–]merkey 13 points14 points ago

Yeah but compare Beedrill's stats to that of Alakazam or Mewtwo.

[–]AdhesiveTapeCarry 11 points12 points ago

And to add insult to injury, poison typing.

[–]skyman724 19 points20 points ago

Yes, the un-understood weakness of Poison to Psychic.

"I will telepathically re-engineer the toxins in your poison at the molecular level to hurt you instead!"

WTF?

[–]USonic 9 points10 points ago

That explanation made it sound awesome.

[–]Lymah 0 points1 point ago

Sounds better than anything I'd have thought up

[–]XypherFTW 0 points1 point ago

I'm still waiting for bigger buffs to Bug and Poison types since they're almost always completely terrible...

[–]AdhesiveTapeCarry 7 points8 points ago

Also, I I don't see it mentioned critical hits were wonky as fuck. Speed to determine critical hits? Okay, seems balanced.

[–]account512 2 points3 points ago

Seriously. Just get a raticate early on and abuse the crap out of speed the whole game. GG.

[–]skyman724 1 point2 points ago

ELECTRIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIC KAPOW!

ZAPDOS O MUERTOS!

[–]Irish33 11 points12 points ago

Pretty much everything in Gen 1 was broken or oversimplified and Gen 2 fixed all of that plus added tons of new Pokemon which were hold-overs from Gen 1 anyways.

Plus you get Gen 1's areas in Gen 2.

Generation 2 is the best Pokemon generation and had the greatest improvements. Heart Gold/Soul Silver are likely the best Pokemon games to date, too.

[–]8986 2 points3 points ago

Gen 2 did not fix all of it. It fixed maybe 30% of it. Gen 4 was the biggest step up from the previous one. The physical/special split just made everything so much better (except poor Flareon).

[–]jathuamin 4 points5 points ago

The pokeathelon was the best "sidegame" in a pokemon game too. It took both stats and skill, while contests were 90% stats.

[–]Khbelov 63 points64 points ago

I work at walmart. I got in an argument with a (probably) 10 year old because he said some dumbassed new penguin Pokemon can beat anything. So I proceeded to list all the type advantages and this is a direct quote: "you made those up. And only an idiot believes in a type advantage. The only thing that matters is having the bigger Pokemon". I told him that he sucked and probably gives up after the first gym boss. And he said "I don't play. I watch the tv show"

And that's the story of how my Pokemon loving boss had to make me take a 15.

[–]hasjthits 34 points35 points ago

I remember how a fart would count as a well reasoned argument when I was that age.

[–]bananabm 29 points30 points ago

In fairness empoleon is a fucking BEAST, it's water/steel, it fucking resists EVERYTHING.

But seriously, there are two 1x (fire + grass), three weaknesses (ground, fighting, electric), and EVERYTHING ELSE IT HAS A x1/2 RESISTANCE TO except ICE and STEEL which are DOUBLY RESISTED and poison WHICH DOESN'T EVEN AFFECT IT.

face it his empoleon eats shit like you for breakfast

http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Empoleon_%28Pok%C3%A9mon%29#Type_effectiveness

edit: Also if he watches the TV show then of course ash does win everything regardless of types, so yeah, it actually does check out.

[–]dwmfives 2 points3 points ago

But not his size based system! If that were the case Pikachu would get shit on by the first Pokemon taller than your knee.

[–]Lymah 0 points1 point ago

except fire grass ground and electric are pretty common types. Fighting less so, but you might have double duty on one of your team.

[–]Khbelov 0 points1 point ago

I understand your logic and I agree with the stats. It's ignorance I can't deal with lol

[–]Thyferra2680 3 points4 points ago

Stop arguing with 10 year olds. Their brains aren't capable of handling logic. Much like many redditors.

[–]Khbelov 0 points1 point ago

I'll stop arguing with ten year olds when they stop being wrong

[–]Belisarius7 1 point2 points ago

[–]Khbelov 0 points1 point ago

Hahahahahahahahaha the minuet I saw the penny arcade logo I thought uh oh. Basically that's what happened; he told me what to say then sent me to the back room to calm down

[–]ZellnuuEon 10 points11 points ago

You could use this for any generation

[–]zmmillard 3 points4 points ago

Yes! God, it annoys me just as much, if not more, when people are like, "Every generation but the first one sucks."

[–]orsnes 27 points28 points ago

Haunter is by far the coolest pokémon made.

[–]ViolentOctopus 6 points7 points ago

Ghost and Psychic are definitely some of the coolest. Too bad there isn't so many. (as I remember, anyway)

[–]VaguelyCondescending 4 points5 points ago

Except that fatty Drowzee.

[–]merkey 6 points7 points ago

Hypno was OP as fuck. Once you get to Vermillion City you can coast through the rest of the gym leaders and Team Rocket camps.

[–]cr1sis77 12 points13 points ago

[–]qnaqna321 6 points7 points ago

FUCK YOU FUCKING FUCK THAT SCARED ME! GO BACK TO DRAWING HAUNTER!

[–]Gryphon59 2 points3 points ago

That was awesome.

[–]OGBrownboy 1 point2 points ago

That was really cool, Hypno has always been one of my favorites.

[–]Lymah 0 points1 point ago

Really? I always had a Kadabra by that point and just blew through everything Psychic murdered because Kadabra was faster and a little stronger.

[–]merkey 0 points1 point ago

Hypno was much better for long battles (like team rocket) because it actually had decent defense and HP. You lose some special stat (120 vs. 115) and a ton of speed, but I'd take a Hypno over running to the PokeMart every 2 battles. Also it seems that Hypno is less susceptible to poisoning because it knows Poison Gas.

[–]Lymah 0 points1 point ago

Most of my pokecenter visits (for kadabra) were for PP not HP. Though I always thought Hypno was cool. I just had Kadabra by then, grinding down from Cerulean.

Mileage may vary

[–]drinkthebleach -1 points0 points ago

He's just Psychic.

[–]cr1sis77 1 point2 points ago

My buddy named his dog Haunter. That and Eevee (along with it's evolutions) are my favourite. I can never forget the 3 first starters though.

I feel like doing a digital drawing of a Haunter now. I'll post it here if I do so.

[–]TricksterClown 17 points18 points ago

Every generation is good imo, just wish they didn't make the animations take so much longer for every game.

[–]KirbyFTW 6 points7 points ago

You know you can turn those off?

[–]TricksterClown 1 point2 points ago

Yeah, but I played gen 5 recently, even with the animations turned off, it still feels sluggish. Felt like crystal and fire red went much faster.

[–]KirbyFTW 5 points6 points ago

Something petty I found in Gen V was when you use a potion. The amount of time you have to wait for the health to go up. In the first couple it just displayed a message and a quick ZING of the health. In Gen V IT MAKES SURE YOU SEE THE WHOLE FUCKING HEALTH GO UP.

Just something to nitpick

[–]Robobaluba 1 point2 points ago

In gen 5 you can tap the screen again to skip the animation also you don't have to exit the screen to get another health potion

[–]qnaqna321 2 points3 points ago

Yeah, I can see it now:

GEN 15:

PIKACHU used THUNDER!

30 second cutscene

SQUIRTLE used BUBBLE!

And it goes on...

[–]Seymor569 1 point2 points ago

So it's being developed by Square?

[–]jsandler18 0 points1 point ago

The games are great, but tedious. They would be less tedious if there was some fast forward feature like some emulators have.

[–]ViolentNewt 5 points6 points ago

I've played since the release of Red/Blue, and I've loved every entry in the series since. Everyone has their favorites; I have favs from each gen. Its just kinda depressing to see people get so twisted about the looks of a new pokemon and proceed to hate the rest of the series from then on. At least give the new games a chance!

[–]BlaqkJak 2 points3 points ago

I like my pokemon resembling ice cream cones. :P

[–]conceitedmoose 15 points16 points ago

GeorgLopez

[–]Feelmylance 10 points11 points ago

Soon?

[–]RazzleDazzle42 8 points9 points ago

Fuck, I caught a Lotad!

[–]FloydJackal 5 points6 points ago

Seven asses.

[–]jsandler18 4 points5 points ago

Bakuhaku

[–]teuchtercove 31 points32 points ago

I love all the generations... my only problem is the ice cream pokemon.

[–]Rycerx 12 points13 points ago

I thought the same too, then I caught him and used him. I think he is good as fuck.

[–]Megaakira 14 points15 points ago

[–]garysnail123 2 points3 points ago

It appears my problem with them is gone.

[–]Draideros 1 point2 points ago

I CANT STOP WATCHING

[–]LittleBigKid2000 14 points15 points ago

What is wrong with Ice Cream pokemon?

[–]teuchtercove 23 points24 points ago

I just thought it was a bit of a ''what if... there was... a pokemon which was... an icecream?'' I mean don't get me wrong there are some pokemon in the original generation that are a bit iffy but I thought ice cream was a whole other level ha

[–]aDeadlyDonut 21 points22 points ago

[–]ThatsANiceTnettenba 7 points8 points ago

Man, a pile of rubbish?

What a terrible design for a pokemon.

[–]skyman724 6 points7 points ago

SLUDGE. TOTALLY DIFFERENT.

(now why it evolves is a better question; I mean from Grimer to Muk, in case someone says "But Muk doesn't evolve!")

[–]Lymah 0 points1 point ago

Grimer to Muk? It got bigger. Or radiation/chemical wtf-ery

[–]Rokkjester 3 points4 points ago

Son, that's not rubbish.

[–]qnaqna321 1 point2 points ago

Alex Trebek backwards is Kebert Xela, a creature from the fifth dimension.

You can spell a lot of things backward to see their true from, try Muk!

[–]LittleBigKid2000 2 points3 points ago

List of 5th gen pokemon according to genwunners:

Trubbish

Garbador

I do think Trubbish and Garbador were bad ideas, but it's not Writoor, the Pencil pokemon, or Paayper, the Paper pokemon.

[–]TheMancersDilema 16 points17 points ago

When I saw it I just thought

"Man, they really are running out of ideas aren't they?"

[–]Sirandrew56 26 points27 points ago

As opposed to a pokeball or a pile of sludge?

[–]TisJokar 15 points16 points ago

To be fair, Electrode/Voltorb being a pokeball at least comes from pokemon universe and are thought to be man made pokemon. And Grimer/Muk aren't exactly objects.

While Ice cream is both object and a food. And now it is a pokemon. And then there is a candle. And a garbage bag.

[–]Aquason 12 points13 points ago

You seriously are hating on the Litwick? You also have Exeggcute which is a bunch of eggs with eyes, with yolk coming out of one of the eggs. That's a food.

[–]TisJokar 6 points7 points ago

When someone sees an egg pokemon, its quite likely that people won't think its a food first. Eggs are at least relevant to animals. Even its evolution is quite cool.

But an ice cream... that evolves into double scoop.

A candle that turns into a chandelier.

I don't really care about the garbage bag.

[–]Ejvind 27 points28 points ago

It's the fact that it evolves into a fucking double scoop.

[–]Sirandrew56 22 points23 points ago

Man made objects? Magnemite is a magnet with an eye and Magneton is literally three of those combined. What's so specific about man made objects anyway? You have arcanine, you have psyduck, obviously animals made monsters, you have voltorb, magnemite, grimer, all inspired by inanimate objects, hitmonlee, hitmonchan, mr.mime, just weird humans. . They pulled inspiration from anywhere, new sources aren't inherently anymore weird than older sources.

I'm not trying to say the first 150 were terrible, they're my favorite because of nostalgia, but let's be real here. The first 150 weren't exactly acts of divine inspiration. They're just as laughable when viewed through an unbiased source. Ask anyone who hates pokemon in general to look at them all and they won't say "Man, that ice cream cone one is stupid compared to the rock with arms.".

[–]trolling_thunder 10 points11 points ago

I don't hate Pokemon, I was just never in the right age group to get really into them. And from this perspective, I can say that the ice cream one is no more or less stupid than the rock with arms.

[–]Ironarcanine 3 points4 points ago

But....But....It turns into a really big garbage bag.

[–]TisJokar 13 points14 points ago

A rock with arms in any game seems much more appealing than an ice cream cone.

[–]Frigorific -1 points0 points ago

Considering there are actual lifeforms that look like piles of sludge I don't think it is that much of a stretch.

[–]LittleBigKid2000 1 point2 points ago

I don't see how they are "Running out of ideas".

[–]ViolentOctopus 5 points6 points ago

I actually liked everything up to Ruby/Saphire. In fact, Ruby/Saphire had some of my favorites. I don't necessarily care for the newer stuff since they incorporated divine-like traits to Pokemon, but to each their own, and I won't complain about them because I understand that they have to keep making newer things to keep appealing to kids.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points ago

The RSE generation was really awesome, Milotic and Shedinja were two cool pokemon (even if Shedinja was a shit pokemon to use). Also Stephen was a badass.

[–]ViolentOctopus 3 points4 points ago

Absol was awesome. Cacturne was also. Hell, if you knew what you were doing, you could easily have built an indestructible team.

[–]anusface 0 points1 point ago

I was mean-looked in a battle with Shedinja once and I didn't have any attacks that were super-effective. That took a long time for me to waste all my PP so I could take him out with struggle.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point ago

Yeah, Shedinja is really annoying if you have no moves for him, but he's countered by so many things that giving Shedinja a feeling of usefulness is like a gift.

[–]anusface 0 points1 point ago

I suppose you're right. I was doing a training run up Mt. Battle on XD and my level 29 Larvitar (the guy I was training) destroyed a level 60 Shedinja.

[–]jsandler18 0 points1 point ago

I miss XD and colosseum. I wish I had known of nostalgia when I sold my gamecube.

[–]LittleBigKid2000 14 points15 points ago

"5th gens aren't so bad" Downvoted to oblivion

"UMG GUZ 5TH GEN SUX MIRIT?" Front page

[–]legogizmo 0 points1 point ago

THAT IS NOT A POLIWAG!

[–]Inget 11 points12 points ago

Know what this Pokémon is called?

Fucking Seel.

[–]DTM_29 5 points6 points ago

Seel is such an unloved pokemon by it's creators. Average name and basic design and then you realize its shiny form is still white.

[–]cykosys 6 points7 points ago

There are pokemon in generation 1 that were fucking terrible and pokemon from later generations that were awesome. I do think later pokemon designs became too complicated. I hate pretty much every legendary after first generation, they all have penis heads and basically lack a theme, despite the numerous random details thrown onto them.

[–]OGBrownboy 2 points3 points ago

I honestly feel bad for the people who can't enjoy the new games because of the design of 2 pokemon. You're really missing out.

[–]jdlyga 5 points6 points ago

They're pretty much all the same game...

[–]Grotski 2 points3 points ago

I'd like to add that each Pokemon release had multiple editions of the exact same game, just lacking the ability to get a few Pokemon that were already built into the game.

[–]Snufflesms 8 points9 points ago

Except that the mechanics for each game have changed hugely since the first generation.

[–]mlkelty 6 points7 points ago

How about when an even older guy says all Pokemon suck, along with the Power Rangers?

[–]cr1sis77 1 point2 points ago

I had a highschool teacher that said he didn't like Pokemon and my friends and I were astonished. We're all really bias having grown up with the franchise.

[–]Mothmanx 0 points1 point ago

it's hard to believe I liked the anime looking back at it, although I still love the original theme song.

[–]Lapid 95 points96 points ago

I'm expecting downvotes from the nostalgia-blinded hivemind but I couldn't care less.

Objectively, the first generation of pokemon was a mess of a game. You would constantly run out of inventory space unless you used the PC, Dragon was a useless type outside of the novelty of using a dragon, Psychics and the special stat in general was OP as hell, and wrap and sleep broke the game.

But no, everyone and their mother says the first generation is the best when the game itself had many undeniable holes. It is by no means the best. It is simply your favorite; just as it is mine. Don't mistake favoritism for superiority.

*EDIT I forgot. If you do in fact downvote because you disagree (nice Reddiqutte by the way), prove to me that I'm wrong about Gen 1's problems.

[–]Mothmanx 52 points53 points ago

I think it's more about the design of the pokemon themselves rather than the game play (which tends to get even more polished each generation).

1st gen pokemon had thought put into the design and were generally interesting. In the later generation you get to things like bidoof and luvdisc which look kind of lame... then you get object orientated pokemon for example the candle -> lamp -> chandelier of litwick, lampent and chandelure

fighting with pocket monsters seems kinda cool whereas having animated objects fight can ruin the atmosphere of it all really.

[–]stubing 27 points28 points ago

Also the 1st gen pokemon were over all more natural looking with each generation getting less and less natural looking.

[–]UTC_Hellgate 12 points13 points ago

Fucking Bidoof..

[–]Sharrakor 10 points11 points ago

Gotta remember that it goes the opposite way, too. You could have some pretty boring looking Pokémon, or at least unimaginative ones, in the first generation. Oh look, a puddle-of-slime Pokémon. What does it evolve into? A bigger puddle of slime. Horse becomes slightly different horse. One wiener poking out of the ground becomes three wieners poking out of the ground.

Then again, in general it was pretty cool. I don't have any complaints.

[–]GreyouTT 2 points3 points ago

Horse becomes slightly different horse.

Don't you want to hear about my Rapidash?

[–]whyhdlc 30 points31 points ago

1st gen pokemon had thought put into the design? What about voltorb? It was just a pokeball with eyes and when it evolved, the colors just switched and they added a mouth. Pidgey and Spearow were just birds. Rattata was just a rat. Ekans was just a snake. They must have put a lot of effort into making Diglett right? I can keep going but I think you get the point.

Also: http://imgur.com/i29pc

[–]reaper14th 6 points7 points ago

Did you make that drawing? That slipped in PMMM reference... I like it. But I am having a hard time figuring out what pokemon that is....

[–]ZwnD 5 points6 points ago

1st gen was not without its design flaws.

Ponyta, horse with fire. Evolves into bigger horse with fire

Magnemite, circle magnet thing (not bad) but the evolution is...three of them!

Diglett, brown lump. Evolution, 3 brown lumps.

I am by no means saying 1st is shit and the others are perfect, it just annoys me when people say that the newer gens have worse pokemon design when it has always been that way

[–]Sidevoter 2 points3 points ago

Animated objects can ruin the atmosphere? Like Porygon or Magnemite?

[–]SentimentalSentinel 0 points1 point ago

Well apparantly things like Porgymon, Magmemite, Muk, Geodude and Koffing are all okay, but people get their pitchforks once we get an animated candle.

[–]Mothmanx 0 points1 point ago

Porygon isn't quite an object, however I have always disliked magnemite and of course it evolution Magneton, I mean 3 magnemites stuck together? come on what a rip.

[–]Lapid 3 points4 points ago

I like to think that every generation had their ups and downs. While many of the newer gen pokemon are just everyday objects/animals with a bit of flair, there are still a couple pretty nice looking ones beyond those.

[–]someguy73 27 points28 points ago

At your request:

I downvoted you not because of your opinion, but because you're trying to paint anyone that has a different opinion than you as a mindless hivemeind drone; incapable of their own opinion. And that just comes off as a little too douchey.

Edit: I accidentally a letter.

[–]Quasid 7 points8 points ago

From a game design perspective, there were general imbalance issues with the first games. Some were under powered and some were drastically overpowered.

But when i first played the game, those things didn't bug me. I played what pokemon felt "cool" (see nine tails).

As an adult, i'd rather play the later pokemon games because they've built on the originals. Slightly more depth and balance between pokemon, and there is no "perfect" team, where as it can be argued that in the first one there were unbeatable teams.

But, as a child, i'd not trade the experience i had for anything. It was simple, and balance issues didn't affect me because i wasn't smart enough to take advantage of the mechanics in that way.

[–]Lapid 3 points4 points ago

That's what I'm trying to get at. Playing Gen 1 was an unforgettable experience. That being said, it was mainly because there was no need for balance, perfect teams, or even a plan for that matter. It was about the sense of adventure and mystery that drew our attention away from even the idea of flawed gameplay. Now that we have a much more balanced game with better technology, it's easier to see that Gen 1 had the flaws that it did in fact have.

Don't get me wrong, Pokemon Blue was the whole reason for me modding my gameboy and I will willingly play it over any other generation. But some people need to consider that a game like pokemon might be good mainly because of its impact on their childhood rather than the game's design itself. That isn't to say Gen 1 is poorly designed. I'm just trying to say that it isn't the holy grail of pokemon games that people seem to idolize.

[–]JacksonFatBack 7 points8 points ago

What is wrap and why is it overpowered?

When I played gen 1, I found I could capture an abra and once it evolved, I could cruise though the entire game on just one kadabra.

[–]Lapid 13 points14 points ago

It's an attack that lasted up to 5 turns. During that time, the enemy could not attack (or switch?). If you were faster than you're opponent and you had wrap, you could essentially chip at their HP with no chance of retaliation since you could just use wrap the turn after it ended. The same goes for Sleep in the 1st gen because you couldn't attack on the turn you woke up so you could just sleep them the turn after they awoke.

Obviously, this was all changed in the generations that came after.

[–]merkey 8 points9 points ago

Add a leech seed or a poisonpowder before using wrap and shit just got ridiculous. I think you can beat the entire elite 4 with a speed-boosted yet still low-leveled venusaur if you have enough ethers/elixers.

[–]minizanz 4 points5 points ago

i always hatted the first trainer you fight on your to mount moon affter beating brock. it just has wrap and when i 1st played i picked squirtle so it could not one hit that guys bellsprout and i was underleveled since i avoided trainers and grinding (i am not sure why since i had played lots of FF and did tons of grinding.) so, the thing and it just ended up wasting me.

[–]Mr_Showtime 2 points3 points ago

Yea in hindsight the features are ass. At the time, nobody complained about that shit.

Of course it was unbalanced and broken the first time around.

[–]takuyafire 9 points10 points ago

could care less

Please watch this

[–]Lapid 0 points1 point ago

That is in fact a bad habit I have. Fixed.

[–]Inferno221 4 points5 points ago

3rd gen was best IMO. Some wired looking Pokemon but the abilities and evs made huge gameplay differences. Plus there were awesome Pokemon like salamance and metagross.

[–]The_Mighty_Spork 2 points3 points ago

This is why my favorites are leaf green and soul silver, takes all the awesome gameplay additions, gives you the nostalgia of the beloved games but still gives you the option of obtaining any of the newer ones you might like.

[–]kabukistar 5 points6 points ago

Don't mistake favoritism for superiority.

Wise words that few seem to understand.

[–]Nikoli_Delphinki 1 point2 points ago

Swapping out after defeating an enemy pokemon was also NOT in Red or Blue. Having played a lot of Black and then trying ti play Blue again I noticed lots of little things that had a fair impact on my experience. The more extensive number of types as well as hybrid types have made things more interesting and teams incredibly varied. Combine that with all the crazy weird abilities that make 0 sense on their own can do some crazy things in PvP.

[–]TheManicNorm 6 points7 points ago

Actually, swapping prior to the opponent's next pokemon is in all generations. There's most likely an option to turn that on or off.

[–]AdhesiveTapeCarry 3 points4 points ago

I like to think of it similar to batman begins. Somewhat cautious, and as a result flawed in some areas, but it laid the groundwork and set the tone for some awesome sequels.

[–]Beau_Vine 1 point2 points ago

That's the thing though - there has been many sequels/next generations that by craft were better. Better balanced, better designed, complimented another etc. But they lacked the crucial, often small and therefore glazed over element that made people fall in love with it in the first place.

And people might've improved greatly a lot of essentially irrelevant elements. For me, 1st gen superiority came down to one element - visual design. Later gens focused on improving balance - which I never gave a flying fuck about. Had I been seeking balanced intellectual game - my pick surely wouldn't be with Pokemon. I'd be a great trait in a game I already liked, but I just wanted to gather all those cute fuckers, and make some of them strong. And suddenly the franchise went with pretty different artistic direction.

Wait, do I agree or disagree with you then? Neither. You made an interesting point, but one that is as misguided as people saying 1st gen was superior - it's just silly linguistics that have nothing to do with clu of people being into 1st gen or hating it's guts. It's neither favoritism nor superiority. It's just yet another franchise continuing the name where they're making a vastly different product that is supposed to appeal to different palate.

PS.: Have an upboat, and don't ever mention it again. I often downvote people just because they get defensive of their precious karma.

[–]zeefomiv 3 points4 points ago

I hate when people are like "first gen are the only good ones,5th gen SUCKS"

I love all the generations of pokemon. Because they all make kids lives as wonderful as mine was when I played Pokemon as a youngster.

[–]Afrodaddy 2 points3 points ago

I started playing the card game senior year of high school with my buddies because we realized nobody ever did that as a kid.

I was too proud to use any of the new pokemon, and restricted myself to the originals, because thats what I grew up with and because fuck your wobbafett. I learned the hard way that all of the new pokemon cards were made much, much, MUCH stronger. (a charizard made in 2010 is much stronger than an original charizard, and other pokemon are even stronger) so I would get murked every time I played. Made me angry that they kept making better and better pokemon and made the ones i grew up with look like pussies. Still fun though

[–]minizanz 7 points8 points ago

all of the card games have that problem, they need you to buy more and more. when i was a kid there was magic the gathering (before pokemon or really anything else i can think off) and affter the 6th or 7th edition they would just make things not balanced with the old cards or compleetly forget about the old cards and it would lead to stupid combos with spells and instants but all of the old character cards being almsot useless or banned. and i think that the same company makes both of the games so...

[–]MetalheadNick 0 points1 point ago

Wizards made the pokemon card game in the beginning but they don't anymore. Magic is the opposite, alot of the old cards are really broken. Look at the urza block as an example.

[–]minizanz 0 points1 point ago

i looked that up and it looks like a 15th edition, that was my point.

[–]SpectralDagger 0 points1 point ago

I remember that happening with Yugioh cards. They kept making monsters that had higher and higher attacks that still required no sacrifice summons.

[–]BlaqkJak 2 points3 points ago

I showed my nephew a picture of all the original 150, he said they weren't all there. No Chimchar... I then explained to him that it was the ORIGINAL 150 pokemon. He stared at me dumbfounded. Like, why was there only 150?

[–]Mark_Luther 0 points1 point ago

Pokemon debuted when I was in high school. Every generation sucked. It's always been silly.

[–]Potchi79 2 points3 points ago

I agree. All pokemon sucks.

[–]Probable_Foreigner 2 points3 points ago

I am going to get downvoted for saying this but I found generation 3 the best

[–]snukz 5 points6 points ago

2nd gen was better than 1st gen. Anyone who says otherwise is drunk on nostalgia. Gold/silver blew red/blue out of the water in game-play.

[–]RosSolis 5 points6 points ago

This is exactly how I feel about ALL the fucking people I know who are 20+ years old who say "Everything sucked after first gen." Or "As far as I'm concerned there are only 150 pokemon." Fuck you, the new games were great too, and 5th gen was amazing. Nostalgia goggles are way too strong.

[–]AshuraSpeakman 0 points1 point ago

It's because Nintendo was like "Let's hide some of the Poke'mon in one game, some of them in the other game, and then throw out #151 and make #152 a rarer GENETICALLY ALTERED VERSION OF 151.

And then, after the Poke'dust had settled, Nintendo said "We have another game. And new Poke'mon. Gotta Catch 'Em All!"

And we said "No. We already caught them all. It took six thousand hours but we caught 'em. THERE. ARE. NO. MORE. POKE'MON."

And then they we yell at you when you cuddle a plush Pichu.

[–]8986 2 points3 points ago

Mewtwo is 150 and Mew is 151.

[–]AshuraSpeakman 0 points1 point ago

Right you are. Oops. Well, my point about the insanity is still there.

[–]Fuzzy1450 3 points4 points ago

Third was my favorite.

[–]brianfantana32 0 points1 point ago

It seems to be a lot of people's favorites

[–]Fuzzy1450 0 points1 point ago

The Pokemon made sense and the moves had an even power. It was balanced

[–]brianfantana32 0 points1 point ago

3rd generation was easily the most balanced. And explain how they made sense when all the typings in other games are the same.

[–]Fuzzy1450 0 points1 point ago

They appeared to make more literal sense. For example, torchick: torch chicken

Combusken: combusted chicken

Blaziken: blaze chicken

[–]nivarius 3 points4 points ago

Anytime a kid argues with you over the first generation of Pokemon? So, never?

[–]Master_Marmite 3 points4 points ago

My favourite is Gen 3 and I like Gen 5 more than Gen 1, take that nostalgia fags. You fail to realize that the games get better. Oh and about the Gen 3-5 pokemon looking stupid and unoriginal, how about I remind you about Muk, Grimer, Mr.mime, Jynx, Ratata etc..

[–]SpectralDagger 4 points5 points ago

Most "nostalgia fags" aren't talking about the games when they say that they like Gen 1 more. They would probably admit that the mechanics and games in general are better. The point is the Pokemon of that generation.

[–]Ragefan66 1 point2 points ago

I've never had anyone say that to me. Ever

[–]qwertywop 1 point2 points ago

I think the mystery dungeon series does a good job of breaking generational hatred. Having the entire collection mixed up together makes individuals stick out more. Fuck Oddish when you can have motherfuckin' Tropius.

[–]SourShark 1 point2 points ago

to be honest.... Jhoto was my favorite, followed by Hoen...

[–]someguywhocanfly 0 points1 point ago

Haunter used 'Mean Look'!

[–]Yogurt_Huevos 1 point2 points ago

These arguments actually exist?

[–]PieAndKitteh 0 points1 point ago

I've seen this picture before on reddit.

[–]Motorsagmannen 0 points1 point ago

haunter + dreameater= one of my favourite pokémon ever :3

[–]CPU1 0 points1 point ago

Does that happen often?

[–]Toasty75 0 points1 point ago

The fact that everyone in the comments are complaining about stats and OP pokemon makes me regret just using (mostly) the starter pokemon the entire game.

[–]heysuess 0 points1 point ago

I'd like to see one reason to hate on Gen 5 besides "ICE CREAM AND GARBAGE"

[–]predmikester 0 points1 point ago

The type balance wasn't there in the first generation. Also all the Ghost pokemon where poison as well.

[–]Aleitheo 0 points1 point ago

Have they looked at the latest gen? Aside from a small handful of well designed pokemon that look look at home, most of the new gen are badly designed. Too much complexity and over-ornateness.

[–]Azalais 0 points1 point ago

...there are kids trying to explain first generation pokémon sucked? This makes me sad.

[–]Daniel_Is_I 1 point2 points ago

Blaziken.

All arguments are invalid.

[–]Hurinfan 0 points1 point ago

First generation pokemon are great. The first generation games are probably second worst on series.

[–]Zerevorr 0 points1 point ago

You are srsly discussing pokemon with underages?

[–]GarenBushTerrorist 0 points1 point ago

They do suck, if you try to argue that the other ones suck. They're just as unimaginative/boring/creative as 2nd-5th gen. Everyone who liked 1st gen would like the rest of the gens if they gave them a chance.

[–]rolfsnuffles 0 points1 point ago

I've never heard someone with the audacity to claim this.

[–]CuriousPotato 0 points1 point ago

I loved 2nd generation, 1st was grey too but, just so many memories with the second.

[–]slofish 0 points1 point ago

Does anyone share my hate for the 2nd and 4th generations simply because of the lack of originality? They added baby pokemon and trade evolutions accompanied by only a few others.

[–]santana722 1 point2 points ago

Funny, I have the same reaction whenever somebody tries to explain why Gen 1 is better than anything else ever.

[–]brianfantana32 0 points1 point ago

I know! 1st generation had many flaws, and playing it nowadays really bores me. People say it's the best and have no argument other than "it's the original".

[–]Fuzat 0 points1 point ago

Hector Salamanca.

[–]tunaklfie 0 points1 point ago

No Kid will ever try to explain this

[–]obliterationn 0 points1 point ago

never happens, and if it did, why should I give a shit?

[–]HowToLoseKarmaFast 0 points1 point ago

First generation was terribly imbalanced in favor of psychic types. Bug and ghost type moves didn't exist in good enough quantities to fully counter them. The type spread in general was also just pretty bad in that generation

[–]GreyouTT 0 points1 point ago

I like Gen 3 the best. However, I was disappointed when I found out I couldn't go to the other regions like in Gen 2.

[–]XelNigma 0 points1 point ago

I only played Red and Blue, So the first ~151 is all knew. Iv only seen the others in Pokemon cartoons and stuff and I have to say, they look really stupid. it really shows that the most effort was put in the originals and the rest where just created in a hurry to cash in on the craze.

[–]havocson 0 points1 point ago

I hate no Pokemon generation, but the 4th was my favorite.

[–]DuffCreeper 0 points1 point ago

My son respects all generations of Pokèmon he loves it Same with me