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[–]SplatterSack 48 points49 points ago

You can swear here. We don't mind.

[–]SolarGoat 10 points11 points ago

[–]polarlover 3 points4 points ago

You know who would mind? The pope. Maybe this is the pope's pr team trying to explain themselves on reddit. Conspiracy.

[–]FrankNStein 2 points3 points ago

"I have as much authority as the Pope. I just don't have as many people that believe it."

[–]austinisme247 91 points92 points ago

Needs more punchline in the title

[–]Quazifuji 4 points5 points ago

Does it count as the punchline when it's the only line?

[–]Condawg 6 points7 points ago

Yes. I don't want to read something, click a picture, and then read the same thing. Be creative.

[–]Quazifuji 0 points1 point ago

I'm not saying it was an good title. Just that it wasn't the punchline.

[–]Condawg 0 points1 point ago

If the punchline's not in the title, then there's no joke.

[–]Quazifuji 0 points1 point ago

You could say it's the whole joke in the title, not just the punchline, although that doesn't include the picture.

[–]austinisme247 1 point2 points ago

hmm .... point taken

[–]RichardPeterJohnson 0 points1 point ago

Yes.

[–]4alex6[S] -4 points-3 points ago

Thanks for the tip, I shall try to come up with something more creative next time :)

[–]Phallic 45 points46 points ago

Try "This makes me laugh every time" or "Came across this gem while trying to think of generic post titles".

[–]vijrox 7 points8 points ago

Or "logic level: Christian"

[–]Whores_anus 0 points1 point ago

Thanks, Phallic!

[–]Tylertc13 -4 points-3 points ago

Can I hug you? I'm going to hug you. I'm in tears from laughing.

[–]Part_2 1 point2 points ago

Not sure why you're being downvoted? I'm laughing too! Good on you, guys!

[–]4alex6[S] -3 points-2 points ago

Thanks! I was in a hurry when I posted this and the only thing that I could think of was the lyrics to the song Magic by Selena Gomez, lol. But I didn't think that would make a good title, or would it have?

[–]RichardPeterJohnson 2 points3 points ago

"The Pope explains trans-substantiation."

[–]case-o-nuts 16 points17 points ago

This picture of him looks significantly less evil than average.

[–]case-o-nuts 9 points10 points ago

I personally like this one: http://img.wonkette.com/images/thumbs/b9a4f1106e4ef2ca586fe1c8b655a92d.jpg

It's even better for being [apparently] un-photoshopped.

[–]korrok7591 5 points6 points ago

The Pope is going to haunt my dreams tonight

[–]Zoccihedron -1 points0 points ago

Nope, this will

[–]Nyanthrax 1 point2 points ago

Dude, I watch Doctor Who. You can't scare me!

[–]IrishKing 0 points1 point ago

Dude, Courage the Cowardly Dog. That's all I have to say.

[–]korrok7591 1 point2 points ago

Meh, kinda want to cuddle it.

[–]reidhasguitar 0 points1 point ago

What the fuck is that, and what the fuck is wrong with you?

[–]AdensApples 0 points1 point ago

I'm not sure I want to know..

[–]Zoccihedron 0 points1 point ago

There is also a game for it.

[–]HebrewHammerTN -4 points-3 points ago

He probably was just proud of himself in this one for hiding another child molester and paying off some victim. Or maybe one of the victims killed themselves so the Catholic church didn't have to pay. That could explain his less evil than average look.

[–]SaintDemetrius 0 points1 point ago

The ignorance.... it....burns....

[–]HebrewHammerTN -1 points0 points ago

[–]HebrewHammerTN 0 points1 point ago

Why would I be surprised that they are denying it? Why not grant access to the Vatican documentation.

But here you go for the nitty gritty.

And here for some more specific stories.

Fact of the matter is Joseph Ratzinger was in charge of this for 25 YEARS! He hid molesters and swept thing under the rug, for the "universal good of the church". He is a monster.

Edit: Here is some more reading fo you too.

"For more than 25 years, Ratzinger was personally in charge of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, the part of the Vatican responsible for enforcing Catholic canonical law across the world, including on sexual abuse. He is a notorious micro-manager who, it is said, insisted every salient document crossed his desk."

[–]MaddHavikk 4 points5 points ago

My nigga

[–]polarlover -2 points-1 points ago

denzel-in-trainingday.jpg

[–]wayndom 2 points3 points ago

Nothing's as much fun as looking at a meme after you've already read the whole joke in the title...

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points ago

Oh, oh, oh, its magic!

You kno-ho-hoooo

NEVER BELIEVE ITS NOT SO

[–]UltimateHipster 1 point2 points ago

Don't worry, you can say "shit" in the title and not feel bad about it. No need for censoring.

[–]playfulcyanide 1 point2 points ago

Looks like Martin Sheen and Steve Jobs' brothers.

[–]Apollo7 1 point2 points ago

Oh good! More memes.

[–]firstaccounttemp 1 point2 points ago

Oh wait, magic's evil. We're screwed.

[–]EdmundXXIII 1 point2 points ago

Yeah. The guy's only written several dozen scholarly works on religion. Let's make fun of him for not bothering to explain anything!

Seriously, atheists?

[–]antonivs 2 points3 points ago

Have you read any of those works? The problem with theology is that it's almost entirely disconnected from anything most people would recognize as reality. Which is not too surprising, since it's entirely devoted to a fantasy.

[–]wakaba 5 points6 points ago

"almost entirely disconnected from...... reality" - if I'm not mistaken, part of theology is to actually contest/oppose the traditions a religion has.

[–]antonivs 0 points1 point ago

If you can point me to some theology which does that in a way that would bring the religion's claims closer to verifiable reality, I'd be most interested. But in my experience, theology is mostly practiced by those with a vested interest in the fantasies their subject deals in.

[–]SaintDemetrius 1 point2 points ago

First of all, many of the things issued by the pope are certainly at the level of the average person. Second, even if they weren't, the average person could say the same thing about scientific literature. It isn't garbage just because it won't necessarily come easily to you the first time you read it.

[–]NaChoBizness 4 points5 points ago

What defines the validity of a text it is not wether or not it is accessible to the common man.

[–]antonivs 0 points1 point ago

First of all, many of the things issued by the pope are certainly at the level of the average person.

Do you have an example where he is explaining something "at the level of the average person"?

But in any case, I wasn't making any comment about the level of his work, but rather its connection to reality. I've written more in a reply to EdmundXIII, if you're interested.

[–]EdmundXXIII 1 point2 points ago

Yes, I've read several of them*. As I said, he's written prolifically. I've read 6 of his books. They are not what you might call an "easy" read. Just as with any field, theology has different levels of writing and understanding. Most of them were not written with the average reader in mind. They were aimed at graduate students. Some of the book he's written in the last few years are aimed at the broader audience.

I think a better question is this: Have YOU read any of this books? If not, I suggest you start with "Introduction to Christianity" (published under his birth name, Joseph Ratzinger). If you wish to make specific criticisms of his arguments, I could respect that and we could have an intelligent discussion. If you're making blanket, dismissive statements about books you've never read, why should I give a rat's ass about anything you think or say? How is that any different from Christian fundamentalists who make ridiculous claims about books they've never read? ("Harry Potter" comes to mind, among others.)

And that is really my point. The OP's image implies the stupidity of religion by suggesting that the Pope never bothers to explain anything. That assertion is patently absurd. You want to write a rebuttal of something Pope Benedict actually wrote in one of his books? Go for it! But this line of attack puts you in the same intellectual category is WBC.

*Introduction to Christianity, The Spirit of the Liturgy, Truth and Tolerance, Jesus of Nazareth, Deus Caritas Est, and Salt of the Earth.

[–]antonivs 1 point2 points ago

I've read some of Ratzinger's papers. Most of them are good examples of the sort of theology I was referring to - take e.g. "The Holy Spirit as Communio - Concerning the Relationship of Pneumatology and Spirituality in Augustine". Works like this chew the theological cud, they're primarily of relevance to other theologians.

If you wish to make specific criticisms of his arguments

What arguments do you have in mind? Ratzinger is a perfect example of a theologian who uses obfuscation to avoid dealing with obvious questions, and to be able to claim to have reached conclusions after having spewed enough verbiage.

Take, for example, the section entitled "The Rationality of Faith" in "Introduction to Christianity". I defy any rational person to read that and tell me that it is, in fact, even attempting to make a rational case. For example:

"Amen [...] expresses the abandonment of oneself to what we can neither make nor need to make, to the ground of the world as meaning, which first of all discloses to me the freedom to make. Yet what happens here is not a blind surrender to the irrational. On the contrary, it is a movement towards the logos, the ratio, toward meaning and so toward truth itself, for in the final analysis the ground on which man takes his stand cannot possibly be anything else but the truth revealing itself.

"Cannot possibly be anything else"? Perhaps Ratzinger should have taken a few more courses in philosophy instead of theology, if he genuinely thinks this remotely approaches a rational case. But the reality is probably that he's just indulging in rhetoric designed to reinforce the beliefs of those who are already indoctrinated.

This is not explanation, it is propaganda. There's a difference.

[–]EdmundXXIII 1 point2 points ago

Thank you for such an excellent reply. Let me start by saying this: I appreciate your taking the time to write an intelligent, articulate argument against my position. This is the kind of discussion I often hope for on Reddit, but rarely see. An upvote, good sir.

I'd like to write a response worthy of your time. (No sarcasm.) Would you be willing to provide specific citations for the quotes you offered? I will admit, it's been several years since I read Ratzinger's "Introduction to Christianity," and I'd like to re-read the pertinent sections in context before offering a reply.

[–]antonivs 0 points1 point ago

The quote I gave is from the section I mentioned, "The Rationality of Faith", which is a section in the first chapter. I don't have a page number handy, but it's not a long section - a few pages, if I recall correctly - so shouldn't be hard to find the quote if you have access to the book.

[–]antonivs 0 points1 point ago

I wanted to add, re the current post, that I don't think an analysis of Ratzinger's work is necessarily all that relevant. The image is obviously intended as a humorous jab, and to the extent it makes a serious point we'd first have to establish what that point is. It doesn't have to be claiming that Ratzinger specifically has never explained anything.

I suspect many people who have experienced frustration with the Catholic Church's lack of transparency and self-appointed authoritarian position would recognize the kind of charge being leveled by this image. If you require specifics to be articulated, I could come up with a long list, but really it would be nothing new or surprising.

[–]FlintDodo -2 points-1 points ago

Yeah, and the characters are not even that good.

[–]wakaba 1 point2 points ago

You're mistaking it for the Bible. He didn't write another version of the Bible. I've read some, especially during college, and you and the guy above you are getting the upvotes for uneducated reasons.

[–]antonivs 0 points1 point ago

You seem to have lost the thread. FlintDodo was referring to the characters in the Christian fantasy, which as I pointed out is largely the subject of theology. What I was saying is that theology tends not to provide a useful explanation of anything, because it is devoted to discussion and analysis of a fantasy, and as such is necessarily detached from reality. Ratzinger's work is no exception. For more on this point, see my reply to EdmundXIII.

[–]yogthos 0 points1 point ago

Until there's some observable evidence to support any of those works, he's just writing about a dragon in his garage .

[–]arcticisland 1 point2 points ago

The pope's just sayin'

[–]iCameToTravel 0 points1 point ago

Heard this in my head with a Brooklyn accent.

[–]omegawolf 0 points1 point ago

LOST.

[–]vadergeek 0 points1 point ago

Seeing this gave me an idea, and I'm starting to think of Joe Quesada as an attempt at making a pope gone horribly wrong.

[–]B0SSARU 0 points1 point ago

What if the pope was actually a wizard? Would you guys like him more?

Oh..I can maybe sign up for pope school and tell you guys if I get like a magical scroll or some shiz.

[–]youshouldbereading 0 points1 point ago

You can't explain that!

[–]y2k5street 0 points1 point ago

Anybody else read this in Jay Lenos voice?

[–]suicidemachine 0 points1 point ago

Now I'm reading it in a German accent.

[–]ENRICOs 0 points1 point ago

So that's where Keith Olbermann has been.

[–]ShoesDontFit 0 points1 point ago

You put the caption word for word in the title and still got that many up votes? What the fuck, guys.

[–]civiljab 0 points1 point ago

LOL funny pic! I'm not atheist but do all atheist believe that all christians believe that there is no such thing as evolution and/or that there is no corrupt people in the chatholic hierachy?

[–]elruary 0 points1 point ago

I knew John Howard was part of the vatican just fucking knew it.

[–]SPANKxTANK 0 points1 point ago

DM's #1 rule.

[–]Quantumfizzix 0 points1 point ago

There was one I saw a while ago with rainbows spewing from its hands...

[–]Gunner3210 0 points1 point ago

That's definitely Steve Jobs on the left in disguise.

So that's where he went!

[–]dutch010 0 points1 point ago

aliens share that vision, too

[–]swearingmoses 0 points1 point ago

Punchline in title, but at least you didn't say something like "found this gem", "this little guy", or "gonna leave this here"

You chose a lesser of several evils.

[–]blacklisted4life 0 points1 point ago

+1 for a picture of the pope that doesn't make children and small dogs cower in fear.

[–]shaunre 0 points1 point ago

You're allowed to say shit you fucker

[–]iamaiamscat 0 points1 point ago

That's the first picture of him where he has not looked like a sith lord.

[–]calibrated 0 points1 point ago

"Nigga you ain't got to explain shit! I been robbin' mothafuckas since the slave ships! With the same clip!" - Biggie

[–]tr335 0 points1 point ago

I love it when OP puts the joke in the title!! It's so funny!!!

[–]policies94 0 points1 point ago

Nothing's as much fun as looking at a meme after you've already read the whole joke in the title.

[–]DragonTycoon 0 points1 point ago

WRONG! Magic is considered devilry by the church!

[–]Sodfarm 0 points1 point ago

That pastor beside Ratzinger looks like Cheney.

[–]punwasintended 0 points1 point ago

When I see the guy on his left and the look he's got on his face, I can't help imagining that he's saying "Gooood, goooooood" in the Emperor's voice

[–]CtrlC_plus_CtrlV 0 points1 point ago

Original Submission [100%]: MAGIC!

Posted: 10h before this post by Dudekota (fixed by Sybock-)

This comment generated by an automated bot. Is this match wrong?

[–]Airazz 0 points1 point ago

Here, I fixed it.

[–]4alex6[S] -2 points-1 points ago

I never knew that, but I still think this one is funnier.

[–]vuxa 1 point2 points ago

[–]herzkolt 0 points1 point ago

I was about to post this, it's just too damn funny !

[–]wakaba 0 points1 point ago

This is one of the reasons why I log in to avoid /r/atheism on my reddit even though I'm not subscribe to any religion.

[–]postguy2 -1 points0 points ago

So you take offense to it for no reason?

[–]wakaba 5 points6 points ago

No, it's pretty tiresome. I subscribed to /r/atheism when people actually discussed things that mattered, not poking fun left and right. You can see the difference here, which I just discovered today, /r/TrueAtheism

[–]TheRPGAddict 1 point2 points ago

Shhhhhh. We don't want to lead the masses to ruin that subreddit too.

[–]wakaba 1 point2 points ago

whoops, sorry about that!

[–]NaChoBizness -1 points0 points ago

Psssst, true Scotsman fallacy. Sorry to ruin your "safe place" boys.

[–]wakaba 0 points1 point ago

And whoever said I take offense on it? By default that's your understanding of my comment, which speaks about how you, by default, perceive things around you. Couldn't I be annoyed, tired, or something else aside from taking offense? :)

[–]seinfan9 1 point2 points ago

You're either a scientist or a skytheist. If you don't like this subreddit, you are a skytheist. LOGIC'D

[–]wakaba 0 points1 point ago

Heh, that didn't make sense.

[–]heisenberg90 0 points1 point ago

i fuking love this

[–]Iplaythebassoon 0 points1 point ago

is that steve jobs next to him?

[–]JacksonFish 0 points1 point ago

Guys don't be so hard on the Pope, he just doesn't want to get kicked out of The Alliance of Magicians

[–]Lots42 -1 points0 points ago

It would help explain why Emperor Palpatine became pope.

[–]spader1 -1 points0 points ago

The guy next to him looks like Will Ferrell.

[–]drmagnanimous 0 points1 point ago

I thought it was Cardinal Larry David.

[–]PengooParty -1 points0 points ago

Shit, I don't know. Why don't you ask your bible? I didn't read that shit...

[–]postguy2 -3 points-2 points ago

For anybody wondering, this is essentially the theist's logic when it comes to all their philosophical arguments for why a god must exist.

  • "The universe can't just exist without a creator."

  • "Then who created the creator?"

  • "The creator is magic I ain't got to explain that shit."

[–]RonDeGrasseDawtchins 0 points1 point ago

That's quite an absurd reduction of theology there. You'd think that someone on /r/atheism should be a little bit more interested in the actual reasoning behind many forms of theism.

"The universe can't just exist without a creator."

"Then who created the creator?"

"The creator is magic I ain't got to explain that shit."

For a Christian, the question "Who created the creator?" is null. It does not make sense because in their theology, God is eternal. It's the same thing as asking "What's North of the North Pole?" or "What happened before the big bang?"

It upsets me to see this subreddit clogged with childish nonsense such as this. You should have at least an elementary understanding of theology before you go bashing it.

[–]kneejerk 0 points1 point ago

how do you know nothing happened before the big bang?

[–]RonDeGrasseDawtchins 0 points1 point ago

The big bang is widely considered to be an event in which time and space came into being.

[–]rebootyourbrainstem -1 points0 points ago

It's still not an "arguments for why a god must exist", since the statement "the universe did not exist before the big bang, and before the big bang there was nothing" is at least as good an answer as "god is eternal".

[–]postguy2 -1 points0 points ago

For a Christian, the question "Who created the creator?" is null. It does not make sense because in their theology, God is eternal.

Yes, magic. We're just using different words to describe the same thing.

You should have at least an elementary understanding of theology before you go bashing it.

I'm a former Christian of 30 years. I know exactly what Christians believe. Your response did not refute the summation I gave. Christians want to say, "Everything needs a creator, so God did it. God is magic, so I don't need to explain how he exists." Of course they don't actually use the word magic, because they want to avoid acknowledging how silly their belief actually is.

[–]NaChoBizness -1 points0 points ago

For a Christian, the question "Who created the creator?" is null. It does not make sense because in their theology, God is eternal.

So magic?

It's the same thing as asking "What's North of the North Pole?" or "What happened before the big bang?"

No it is not, that is a grossly false equivalence. First off, the North Pole and the true magnetic North are not the same geographic locations. Also, there are many conjectures in physics that attempt to study and explain what happened before the big bang.

Next.

[–]Sybock- -3 points-2 points ago

Nice work cross-posting this Sybock- original to /r/atheism. Shame someone already did.

[–]4alex6[S] -2 points-1 points ago

but that was 10 months ago....when r/atheism probably had less than 10,000 redditors...