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A Chipper WWII Vet - I thought it was amusing (imgur.com)
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[–]Treliske 89 points90 points91 points 1 month ago
This letter may be fake, but I once attended a reunion of Iwo Jima vets where one of them said he had a the time of his life hanging out on a beach and "shooting Japs in the head". The audience gasped.
[–]Thjoth 27 points28 points29 points 1 month ago
I saw a book that studied the psychology of war, can't remember the title now. The conclusion that the psychologists/people doing the study reached was that a small percentage of people are "natural killers," meaning that, though they are normal, functioning members of society, not psychotic at all, the concept of death and the act of killing have no appreciable effect on them. While soldiers can be conditioned to kill, the ones that aren't natural killers tend to break and wind up with PTSD and the like, while the natural killers react to it more like a competitive sport.
Honestly, I can see it. Different brains are wired differently, so it doesn't seem far fetched that some are capable of hunting and killing other humans without being full blown psychotics.
[–]AtomicBitchwax 17 points18 points19 points 1 month ago
On Killing by Col. Dave Grossman
[–]Thjoth 0 points1 point2 points 1 month ago
Yeah, pretty sure that's the one.
[–]zoidberg1339 30 points31 points32 points 1 month ago
He'd be the first Iwo Jima vet that had a good time there that I've ever heard of.
[–]IronAnvil 27 points28 points29 points 1 month ago
He stayed on the beach. Iwo was hell in the rocks. Compared to Tarawa, I'll bet it did seem fun.
[–]zoidberg1339 -4 points-3 points-2 points 1 month ago
Eh, the beach at Iwo really wasn't fun either, at least not for the first wave of troops who landed. The casualty rate was pretty bad.
[–]bingeebob 0 points1 point2 points 1 month ago
ummmmmmmm....... no
[–]zoidberg1339 8 points9 points10 points 1 month ago
Care to elaborate on that? I'm not an expert but I've devoted a decent amount of my spare time to the study of world war two and I've never seen anything about how the Iwo Jima landing was a piece of cake. One of the more costly landings in the entire pacific campaign if memory serves.
[–]bingeebob 40 points41 points42 points 1 month ago
The first wave landed without immediate resistance. Kuribayashi's strategy was to let the Americans land and fight them once they reached the network of caves and concealed positions further inland. This was a significant departure from the tactical plan of previous island defenses by the IJA in the war.
[–]zoidberg1339 15 points16 points17 points 1 month ago
Ah, I see what you're getting at now and you're absolutely correct. The first wave took considerable casualties, just not necessarily on the beaches. Looking back on my comments I didn't really say what I meant to say. My bad.
[–]bingeebob 16 points17 points18 points 1 month ago
It doesn't seem like it was much of a pause, maybe a handful of minutes?. Elements of the first wave were definitely on the beach and everything was quiet at first. Of course, once the show started, it got extremely violent, even by Pacific theater standards.
We have to look at Iwo Jima in the context of the war at that time. Kuribayashi and every cogent officer on either side knew that the war was over, and that Iwo Jima would fall. The plan was to cause as much damage as possible, rather than prevent our invasion. Influencing American public opinion was probably the best shot Kuribayashi had at preventing a full on invasion of Japan.
My grandfather was a firecontrolman on one of the cruisers bombarding Iwo Jima prior to, and during the battle. He recalled looking through shore glasses and seeing flamethrowers in use on the rocky slopes.
[–]n4ggs -7 points-6 points-5 points 1 month ago
Fun fact about Iwo. It was the only major action of WW2 where the attacking force suffered more casualties than the defending side.
[–]Treliske 2 points3 points4 points 1 month ago
Now you have heard of one - James White. This is a clip of him telling Iwo Jima stories at another conference:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4yTV_ot37RY
[–]MisterPanky 0 points1 point2 points 1 month ago
What a warrior.
[–]CatChaseGnome 20 points21 points22 points 1 month ago
It was a lovely war
[–]dblaisde 1 point2 points3 points 1 month ago
War is a vacation from the rules of society for serial-killers. "You mean I can kill as many people as I want and I'll get medals too?!"
[–]OldLeopardSkin 3 points4 points5 points 1 month ago
Serial killers aren't usually interested in just killing. You'll often find there is either a sexual component, they are very elaborate about their killing and make a game of it and not being caught or they think they are being commanded to kill/it is their purpose in life to kill certain types of people.
[–]dblaisde 0 points1 point2 points 1 month ago
Well, since there are now lots of people in the US Army who've been given a choice of jail time or the Army by a judge, I'd say the odds are higher of getting criminal misfits on a murder spree than they were in WWII. Recent Army-Gone-Wild stories bear this out. Atrocities in Iraq and Afganistan.
[–]OldLeopardSkin 2 points3 points4 points 1 month ago
If you're on a murder spree, then you're not a serial killer but a spree killer.
And if you do it with a spray can, you're a flea killer.
[–]dave603 0 points1 point2 points 1 month ago
Used to be that way, now if your told the Army or Jail, you will NOT be excepted.
[–]The_Rat_Cook 14 points15 points16 points 1 month ago
Psychopaths existed back then too.
[–][deleted] 10 points11 points12 points 1 month ago
Why would they gasp? It's perfectly sensible. In war you shoot people, and we have always valued war.
[–]MechaToast 16 points17 points18 points 1 month ago
Of course people shoot each other in war, but enjoying it is something entirely different. Soldiers are expected to get PTSD, not say "That was fun!"
[–][deleted] 11 points12 points13 points 1 month ago
From the Odyssey on human, particularly western, culture has always valued war as something that brings men together, brings out the best in men, unifies you in purpose, and lets you exercise your power over another. Anyone who values but pretends not to enjoy that experience is lying to you or to themselves.
Soldiers are expected to get PTSD, not say "That was fun!"
They're expected to get PTSD and say "that was fun!". It's rare that someone gets one but not the other.
[–]MechaToast 18 points19 points20 points 1 month ago
Yes, war is seen as something glorious and all that. However that's mostly the shared struggle and hardship, all that has to be overcome. The actual act of killing another human being, and dealing with the death of close friends, is not the part that people like.
You don't know many veterans, do you?
[–][deleted] 3 points4 points5 points 1 month ago
A few. Do you know any who utterly regret their time in the service and wish they could have it back?
[–]Snapdr 2 points3 points4 points 1 month ago
Having no regrets and having fun are two very different things. Just because they don't regret their service doesn't mean they had a blast shooting at people, and getting shot back at in return. Do you think servicemen who suffered horrible injuries and diseases on 9/11 regret what they did? Most probably not; they surely saved lives and helped NYers valiantly in a time of dire need. But just because they answered the call of duty doesn't mean that they enjoyed themselves, or say that they "had the time of their lives."
[–]MechaToast 0 points1 point2 points 1 month ago
Yes, actually. I also know those who are very proud of their service and look back on it fondly. I also know those who feel very conflicted about it.
[–][deleted] -1 points0 points1 point 1 month ago
My point exactly. You find many who are conflicted and very few who are filled with nothing but disgust and regret.
Whoever said that was what's expected? There's a huge difference between mixed feelings and "Killing people is fun!"
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 1 month ago
mixed feelings
How can you have mixed feelings without feeling at least somewhat good about what you did?
[–]CheshireC4t 0 points1 point2 points 1 month ago
You're talking about the glorification of the machismo and hardship of war through romantic literature and film which is entirely different from being there and spending long weeks and months waiting, marching, sitting in mud while your feet start to rot, marching and waiting some more until you get into the shit and see your friends stabbed and shot, experience the emotional turmoil of taking another man's life, seeing limbs blown off by grenades, and being deafened by artillery fire.
They're expected to get PTSD and say "that was fun!"
You clearly have no idea what PTSD is.
I agree it sounds awful, which is why it's hard to explain why few soldiers wish they had never served at all. A good explanation is that it is both awful and has redeeming qualities, like brotherhood, thrill, daring and heartracing events, etc.
Perhaps I'm ignorant. Educate me.
[–]CheshireC4t 1 point2 points3 points 1 month ago
It's the result of psychological trauma and it pervades all aspect of life. Flashbacks, nightmares, extreme anxiety, rage, prolonged depression, intense aversion to stimuli associated with the stress (in soldiers' cases, typically loud noises and bright lights). People struggling with PTSD are impaired socially, professionally, emotionally, or all of the above.
I really think you're downplaying the horror of war when you talk about things like "thrill, daring, heart racing events." Brotherhood, yes, but the things you might describe as "thrilling and heart racing," soldiers typically describe as terrifying and chaotic. War is brief spurts of hell punctuating long periods of boredom, manual labor and suffering at the mercy of the elements.
They're still humans capable of happiness and pleasant reflection.
but the things you might describe as "thrilling and heart racing," soldiers typically describe as terrifying and chaotic.
I implore you to ask more veterans about their experience. The near universal sentiment that I've heard is that it is simultaneously the most horrid, exhilarating, life affirming, hellish experience one can undertake. Soldiers are frequently heard to say in interviews on the subject that war is a rush unlike anything else, it makes beer taste better, colors brighter, life more valuable, etc, and yet also is combined with seeing death all around you, including those of your friends.
[–]sje46 4 points5 points6 points 1 month ago
I'm not sure if this is a serious question.
If it is, the audience gasped because the soldier found joy in ending another human's life.
Perhaps that is because they are so separated from war.
[–]sje46 5 points6 points7 points 1 month ago
Okay.
You seem like an obvious troll.
I'm not trolling. That you think I am is even better evidence for my conclusion.
[–]sje46 3 points4 points5 points 1 month ago
Is it.
[–]stormchaser 1 point2 points3 points 1 month ago
This may surprise you, but sometimes people lie or misremember their reactions to such things in order to sound tough or unique
[–]RebelTactics 2 points3 points4 points 1 month ago
Ha, I can just picture the crowd hootin' and hollerin' waving flags, listening to stars and stripes forever then sitting there agasp with their mouths open after hearing the truth.
[–]votercolonel 28 points29 points30 points 1 month ago
I'm pretty sure this is from the fake letters section from Viz magazine.
[–]StonedCrow[] 15 points16 points17 points 1 month ago
I only have one Viz magazine (which my dad has from when he was younger) and this letter is in it
[–]votercolonel 7 points8 points9 points 1 month ago*
I have only ever read 3 or 4 in my life and this one was present. Very odd.
[–][deleted] 5 points6 points7 points 1 month ago
I have never opened a single one, and yet, this letter was there.
[–]i_post_gibberish 1 point2 points3 points 1 month ago
I've never even heard of it, but this letter was in it.
[–]percafluviatilis 0 points1 point2 points 1 month ago
And now I feel horribly old...
[–]Ezterhazy 17 points18 points19 points 1 month ago
More WW2 letters from Viz:
We should remember the tremendous contribution of the Queen Mother to the war effort: as the BBC pointed out, she 'bravely remained in London beside her husband' during the war. This contrasts sharply with the actions of my grandfather who, on the declaration of war immediately left his wife and children and pissed off, first to France, then North Africa, Italy, France (again) and finally Germany. The shame will always be with us.
And:
Like the Queen Mum, my grandfather was a frequent visitor to the East End during the dark days of the blitz, but he was never hailed as a hero by the people of London. That's because he flew Heinkel bombers for the Luftwaffe. Werner Hoffman, Munich .
[–]Travis_T_OJustice 7 points8 points9 points 1 month ago*
Came here ho ask if it was from the letterbocks. The star gives it away. I love Viz - I think my favourite letter was from guy who said he got a stiffy everytime he saw Nigella Lawson lick jam off a spoon, and when his wife did it, he didn't get a stiffy. He wanted to know the brand of jam that Nigella uses, so he could get his wife using the correct brand of jam.
[–]duudass 4 points5 points6 points 1 month ago*
anyone got that picture of that bloke kissing that bird's arse?
[–]Travis_T_OJustice 2 points3 points4 points 1 month ago
* here you go
[–]duudass 2 points3 points4 points 1 month ago
thx Travis_T_OJustice - you win a shit pencil that'll never arrive!
[–]Travis_T_OJustice 1 point2 points3 points 1 month ago
Where's my 5 quid? You can stick your pencil up your arse!
[–]Travis_T_OJustice 0 points1 point2 points 1 month ago
Just found this subreddit too /r/viz!
[–]duudass 0 points1 point2 points 1 month ago
VIZ FB Top Tips
[–]Lookmanospaces 0 points1 point2 points 1 month ago
It is indeed, and this fake crap has 839 upvotes.
[–]avian_gator 22 points23 points24 points 1 month ago
I'm good friends with a Vietnam vet, he was a Marine infantry officer. He gave an interview to a local high school U.S. history class about the war last year. One student asked him what he thought of the war. His response was something along the lines of, "It was great. I got to shoot the place up, burn down some villages, and kill communists. Hell, they even paid me to do it!"
Perhaps you had to be there, but I was struggling not to laugh as the teacher's eyes did a remarkable imitation of saucers and half the students gasped.
[–]elmonoenano 6 points7 points8 points 1 month ago
This reminds me of Adrian Carton de Wiart who said "frankly I had enjoyed the war." after biting off his own fingers. I think I originally saw this on cracked, but for your enjoyment: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adrian_Carton_de_Wiart
[–]phobiac 9 points10 points11 points 1 month ago
Or Mad Jack Churchill, who complained that world war II ended too soon because of the yanks.
[–]andersonb47 1 point2 points3 points 1 month ago
Oh, and he carried a claymore. Did I mention that he carried a claymore?
[–]sirmanleypower 2 points3 points4 points 1 month ago
was shot in the face, head, stomach, ankle, leg, hip and ear; survived a plane crash, tunneled out of a POW camp, and bit off his own fingers when a doctor wouldn't amputate them.
Jesus tap dancing christ.
[–]MONDARIZ 0 points1 point2 points 1 month ago
Anders Lassen was another character that enjoyed WWII. The Wiki page is not so detailed, but it might lead you to other articles.
[–]OldLeopardSkin 0 points1 point2 points 1 month ago
Ernst Jünger absolutely loved the first world war.
[–][deleted] 6 points7 points8 points 1 month ago
Just so you know ... Oh! What a Lovely War, directed by Richard Attenborough
[–]collapsedgovernment 5 points6 points7 points 1 month ago
Great movie. This scene is very catchy. Includes Maggie Smith.
[–]OnceInABlueMoon 2 points3 points4 points 1 month ago
Sounds like a Vonnegut character.
[–]recreational 2 points3 points4 points 1 month ago
Highly relevant documentary everyone should go watch right now- First Kill.
We interrupt this broadcast for some pics of guys in wheel chairs with brain damage and no feet, some orphans, some burn victims, some widows...
[–]MONDARIZ 1 point2 points3 points 1 month ago
Plenty of people enjoy war (otherwise we wouldn't have so much of it).
[–]terf2004 1 point2 points3 points 1 month ago
Thats from Viz a comedy magazine from the UK. There is no chance this is real, I ended up with an anthology a few years back. This is on the same page as "I found jesus in a shed".
[–]CorbyHooligan 1 point2 points3 points 1 month ago
This is from a magazine/comic strip for adults (teenage humor with loads of tits and wanking) in the U.K called The VIZ im fairly certain. They have fake, tongue in cheek, letters in a letters from readers section.
[–]tumalt 3 points4 points5 points 1 month ago
Nice try military industrial complex.
[–]gregdbowen 1 point2 points3 points 1 month ago
so tired of getting excited about shit that ends up fake
[–]smileywire02 0 points1 point2 points 1 month ago
My grandpa mentioned once in conversation that WW2 was an absolute tonne of fun. He said he had one hell of an adventure and thoroughly enjoyed it. He bombed German cities... :l
[–]dustynothing 0 points1 point2 points 1 month ago
That letter is the exact opposite of how my Grandfather felt about his WWII experience.
[–]shroob88 0 points1 point2 points 1 month ago
TIL Tom Hobson is Cotton Hill's pen name.
[–]gatzbysgreenlight -1 points0 points1 point 1 month ago
hilarious!~!
[–]EasternEuropean -7 points-6 points-5 points 1 month ago
Sure it was awesome for yankees. Oversupplied, air superiority, negroes doing all the cargo job, liberated Paris happened to become huge party.
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