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Oh hey Christians! Who's going to burn in hell? (humourtouch.com)

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[–]ThePickleMan 37 points38 points ago

When this was posted in another thread, a few people pointed out why this is an awful image:

You know what I dislike most about this repost? The original campaign had a great, positive message, and then somebody tacked on a comparison to Pat Robertson to make it an "us verses them" pissing contest, completely changing the whole meaning. Now the argument goes from the influence of religion on charity to rightful accusations of cherrypicking, ones that likely would not come up had Pat been omitted. It's garbage if you ask me, nothing worth upvoting, unless you wanted to intentionally put out a bad argument.

~~brezzz

While Pat Robertson is a cruel and heartless hypocrite, you really shouldn't add your own material to a PR campaign without indicating that it's got nothing to do with the campaign, and if you insist on doing so anyway you should at least run a spellcheck.

~~Peanut_Sniper(?)

[–]Coal_Morgan 3 points4 points ago

It's a good point, it's the same mentality of, "Stalin was an Atheist therefore erroneous conclusion." There are many Christians who would do the same and be as generous, the whole point of the campaign is to say "See, these are great people and they're not religious, you can be good without god."

[–]Benazz 18 points19 points ago

Someone missed the "donate to the poor" part when reading the bible.... (forgive for not remembering the actual quote).

[–]fluffycloud 11 points12 points ago

There are many actual quotes...all ignored.

[–]numbersexist 2 points3 points ago

I like the one Judith Thomson uses in her abortion argument, revealing the hypocrisy of the republican party. The parable of the Good Samaritan:

30 And Jesus answering said, A certain man went down from Jerusalem to Jericho, and fell among thieves, which stripped him of his raiment, and wounded him, and departed, leaving him half dead.

31 And by chance there came down a certain priest that way: and when he saw him, he passed by on the other side.

32 And likewise a Levite, when he was at the place, came and looked on him, and passed by on the other side.

33 But a certain a Samaritan, as he journeyed, came where he was: and when he saw him, he had compassion on him,

34 And went to him, and bound up his wounds, pouring in oil and wine, and set him on his own beast, and brought him to an inn, and took care of him.

35 And on the morrow when he departed, he took out two pence, and gave them to the ahost, and said unto him, Take care of him; and whatsoever thou spendest more, when I come again, I will repay thee.

[–]imkish 34 points35 points ago

To add even more to this, the Gates have said that all of their wealth will be donated to various charities upon their deaths. And Melinda Gates may be Catholic, but at least she's willing to act charitably and help people even in ways that conflict with what the Church hierarchy demands.

[–]Cogitation 25 points26 points ago

Not to mention that Bill Gates is currently working on a project that would create a new nuclear power plant that uses nuclear waste for fuel, has no emissions, only require maintenance every 60 years, and would make electricity nearly free.

The sad part being he'll probably die before the first prototype is complete, and I think he knows it, too.

source

[–]kalimashookdeday 3 points4 points ago

I agree with him and proponents of finding ways to produce clean energy in masse for cheap. It could solve tons of problems globablly.

[–]blaktaco -1 points0 points ago

I actually have the solution to this and am currently developing it.

Literally free energy forever, zero emissions and it even makes us healthier and happier.

I know, sounds too good to be true. Sadly, it's true, but underfunded.

I'll get there somehow, though!

Hopefully, before every good philanthropic person croaks!

[–]jackryan006 -1 points0 points ago

This is what I'm envisioning.

[–]kalimashookdeday 1 point2 points ago

I'm not sure if guy above was serious - but this is what I was envisioning.

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[–]pornmonger -2 points-1 points ago

I'm sure all "985,475 godless redditors" have seen this post.

[–]wayndom 1 point2 points ago

Hmmm... In five hours, r/atheism grew by 795 readers.

[–]Ortizjoel21 0 points1 point ago

This is the first time I see it

[–]egosumFidius 5 points6 points ago

none of those people are going to burn in hell because there is no hell.

[–]elcad 0 points1 point ago

I'm willing to make one for Pat. Pat's the only one that behaves like he knows for sure that there isn't one.

[–]egosumFidius 0 points1 point ago

i believe that since there isn't one we as decent human beings have the responsibility to point out his bullshit and hold him accountable.

[–]Deathcrush 12 points13 points ago

Carlos Slim is the richest man in the world, he's Christian, and donates a lot to charity. Cherry-picking is a tool of the unreasonable. We're better than that. Wish I could downvote twice due to the repost, too.

[–]jaqq 13 points14 points ago

Where does it say that Christians are unable to do good? These ads (the third panel is not in the ads) are targeted at the belief that you cannot act morally or selflessly if you don't subscribe to the idea of divine supervision. They are not making a general statement. They are proving a given claim wrong.

[–]wayndom 0 points1 point ago

I agree. The point of including Pat Robertson isn't to say Christians=bad, it's demonstrating the Christianity doesn't make people good.

[–]Deathcrush -4 points-3 points ago

It's misleading in a way to put Christians on the defensive. Maybe you're already saying this, but the first two on their own is legit (atheists are capable of morality), and the last one on its own is legit (a dis to Pat), but all three together is dishonest and full of fallacy.

[–]jaqq 1 point2 points ago

I honestly don't think rational people would ever interpret it this way. It's only full of fallacy if you don't think logical. I'll admit that the title is poorly chosen and may suggest that's the point, but just the three images together don't. They are just three arguments against the narrative, that being a person of faith automatically bumps you up one notch on the moral ladder, which some (if this subreddit were in any way representative, many) religious people subscribe to. Two positive, one negative. Nothing says that being an atheist itself makes you a better or worse person and the same goes for being faithful.

Please tell me if I'm missing something.

[–]blaktaco 0 points1 point ago

You aren't. They are.

[–]blaktaco -1 points0 points ago

HUH?

How so?

I honestly don't have the slightest clue what you're talking about.

How is it dishonest? You're probably just too dumb to get it.

[–]Elranzer[!] 2 points3 points ago

The only reason Carlos Slim is richer than Gates is because of Gates' charity.

Gates has donated more money than the delta between his worth and Slims' worth.

[–]reaganveg -1 points0 points ago

The only reason either of them is rich in the first place is their monopolist business practices which ought to be (and/or already are) illegal.

[–]corporeal-entity 1 point2 points ago

This would be better utilized as a slight against Pat Robertson himself rather than a qualitative statement against Christianity in general. If it were framed in such a way I would be more approving of the delivery.

[–]blaktaco 0 points1 point ago

Christianity does not make you behave better. It's primary claim.

What are you on about?

[–]corporeal-entity 1 point2 points ago

I didn't disagree with that. I'm saying that this image reads more like a negative campaign ad from a bizarro world where Gates, Buffett and Robertson are running for public office, than it serves as some sort of statement about how being Christian makes you necessarily evil by definition.

What are you on about?

[–]skyrous 1 point2 points ago

Yep, it's possible to be charitable and be Christian. It's also perfectly acceptable to Jesus if you are a greedy money grubbing asshole and you still get a guaranteed spot in heaven. No matter how decent a human being I am going to hell. But Pat Robertson won't be there so I'm ok with that.

[–]Coal_Morgan 1 point2 points ago

I've read the Bible, pretty sure if it was real (it isn't), God would put televangelists and such who profit off the suffering of his son in the ninth circle, with those who betrayed God personally; at the very center, the devil, Judas etc.

Pulling from the Divine Comedy.

We'd be 6th circle sinners, heretics and the such, so we'd get the previlege of not putting up with Pat Robertson and his hypocracy.

[–]hinos_ke 1 point2 points ago

Very true. Although some religious people are good too. The differentiation between good and evil preceeds religion

[–]AFRUITPIE 0 points1 point ago

The differentiation between good and evil preceeds religion

I'm going to use this one a lot now. There are good and bad people of every religion, and there are good and bad people who are atheists.

[–]hinos_ke -1 points0 points ago

I believe fanatism is the enemy. Be it of religion or atheism...

PS. Catholic, believer in science, free thinker :P

[–]rucknrob 1 point2 points ago

Technically nobody will burn in hell, seeing as it does not exist.

[–]Zazilium 0 points1 point ago

Steve Jobs was an atheist and from what I've head he gave very little to charity.

[–]fiyah1 0 points1 point ago

How can we burn in hell if there is no hell?

[–]Abbrv2Achv 0 points1 point ago

I am glad that you've effectively displayed the tendencies of the only two Atheists in America and the sole Christian and compared their actions as such.

Not like there's millions more of both groups or anything.

Also repost.

[–]amds789 0 points1 point ago

I was once told in church that the only sin God couldn't forgive was not loving him back.

Logic.

[–]blaktaco 0 points1 point ago

How can christians even call themselves christians. They're apparently against all of the vile commandments in the bible and then throw off all of the semi-coherent stuff like, help the poor, give away your money, don't be selfish, don't murder, love your neighbor, honor your wife, etc.

They are at complete odds with christianity. We atheists resemble humble christians more so.

[–]Dimestoresaint 0 points1 point ago

So? I can pick any 1 asshole and associtate them with something and then any 2 good people and associtate them with something. Doesn't really prove the point of everyone in those groups being good or bad....

[–]Anaract 0 points1 point ago

TIL Bill Gates is not the richest man in the world anymore

[–]CougarGuitar 0 points1 point ago

They're all bad in their own ways. But it's 100% true that Christians are the most conniving manipulative sociopaths in existence that only wish to wreak havoc on earth. Bill Gates on the other hand...aww what a cutie. He has all the money in the worrrrld and is donating it to chaaarity and AIDs research...awww....oh and depopulation awwww

[–]hans2000 0 points1 point ago

Should be good without gods

[–]Gamedudes 0 points1 point ago

My friend is a christian and told me life was a test if you were to go to heaven or not, god would judge you for being good or evil , even if you belive or not.

[–]brilliantlycrazy86 0 points1 point ago

Didn't you know that christians don't have to be good people to get to heaven they are "saved" from their sins, you say a little prayer and you are good the rest of your life.

[–]ColdSheep 0 points1 point ago

According to the christian faith it will still be us athiests who burn in hell... I never said it made any sense I ma just telling you how they see it.

[–]Zosimasie 0 points1 point ago

Faith, not works.

[–]grippage 0 points1 point ago

I think being a good person requires much more than donating money. Not that Warren Buffet and Bill Gates aren't good people - they are - but the premise here that being good hinges solely on donations is a bit wonky.

[–]LilJimmyNordin -1 points0 points ago

My fucking hand is sore from downvoting this particular image. If the fact that it's a dozen-times repost didn't stop you, the horrible argument it makes should have.

STOP POSTING GARBAGE.

[–]blaktaco -2 points-1 points ago

Ummm, what?

Wanna actually mention what problem you have with this "horrible argument" ?

Oh, that's right. You're a stupid christian and think that simply saying something is garbage is enough, because other credulous people will believe you without thinking.

This is Reddit, not your local Wal-mart, pal.

STOP CRYING, BITCH.

[–]LilJimmyNordin 0 points1 point ago

What a fucking idiot you are.

First, I'm not a Christian, and that just underlines why you're an idiot. You don't need to be Christian to see that this is a shitty argument. It's cherry picking, and it's what we atheists shit on Christians for doing ALL THE TIME, and should be smart enough to spot in our own arguments.

Just quit Reddit. You're bad at it. Either that, or overcome your own confirmation bias instead of overcommitting to bad arguments and looking like a douche.

[–]ibegyoumakeitstop 0 points1 point ago

Right, because anyone who says something you don't understand or don't agree with is automatically a "stupid christian." Definitely couldn't be that this is garbage because it's the same sort of shit we post to make fun of Christians-- oh wait, it is.

/r/atheism is seriously starting to suck, and it's because of people like you. People who are so eager to be atheists that they just trade one set of biases for another, instead of embracing the underlying values of honesty, reason and intellect that atheism is supposed to represent. Seriously, you need to do a little more learning and a little less talking. You're no better than the "stupid christians" you're talking about.

[–]Nartezalation 0 points1 point ago

Checkmate Christians!

[–]dcss -1 points0 points ago

Just wondering, how exactly do you know that Pat hasn't donated anything? Because he never said so? One of the things that Christianity talks about it being quiet about things like that, and not making a big fuss. He could well have given away a lot, and just never made a big thing about it.

[–]AFRUITPIE 0 points1 point ago

I totally agree with you on this one. However, donating money could never justify using slave labor in a diamond mine.

[–]dcss -3 points-2 points ago

Yeah well without a source that is just fabricated BS. I find it hard to believe that this man purposely pumps money into slavery for no apparent reason or gain.

[–]JLW09 1 point2 points ago

Are you saying that there is no gain ?

[–]dcss -2 points-1 points ago

For no apparent gain.

[–]DukeOfOmnium 1 point2 points ago

Of course no gain. I mean, what possible gain could there be in a fucking diamond mine?

Are you genuinely this stupid, or do you just play an imbecile on reddit for the lulz?

[–]dcss -2 points-1 points ago

I never said anything about a diamond mine.

[–]DukeOfOmnium 1 point2 points ago

It is NOT fabricated BS. His business relationship with Charles Taylor is very well documented. Too bad, so sad.

[–]dcss -2 points-1 points ago

Source?

[–]davdev 0 points1 point ago

http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/pat-robertsons-gold-deal-african-dictator/story?id=9749341#.UBLmUJGd7To

[–]dcss -1 points0 points ago

Thank you!

[–]serblop -1 points0 points ago

All of them.

Pat Robertson for being a total fucking douche, and the other two for not believing in God. Even if you do good deeds and are an atheist, how on earth can you rest in God's kingdom when you don't even accept or believe in Him?

[–]ccudc -2 points-1 points ago

You simply cannot make a whole people seem terrible because the ones recognized in public are terrible at what they believe in. That's just ignorant.

[–]jaqq 1 point2 points ago

Good, because that is not what's happening here at all. This is about disproving a given claim (atheist are immoral, morals can only come from religion etc.), not making a general statement.

[–]ccudc 0 points1 point ago

Sorry for that then. It's just a terrible mess when the whole Christian community gets hung out to dry because of the actions of one person who doesn't understand what they believe. Also, "Oh hey Christians" makes it seem like a general statement is being made.

[–]numbersexist -1 points0 points ago

What a stupid post and argument. Stalin was atheist and it projected he killed between 3 - 60 million people under his rule. source I guess I can conclude that atheism is for murders, amirite?

[–]truthie -1 points0 points ago

What Christian faith are you referring to? Which even believe in hell anymore?

[–]W00ster -3 points-2 points ago

I have never been a fan of charity.

Failing charities were one of the many reasons why social services were created. It replaced charity as it could never change the underlying problems and were only a haphazard band aid.

Rather than promoting charities - promote and enact change!

Fix the underlying problems that creates the need for charity!

[–]Elranzer[!] 1 point2 points ago

Taxes are no replacement for charity.

[–]Zagaroth -1 points0 points ago

Government taxes/services are inefficient and dominated by federal level rules that are trying to be one-size-fits-all, and instead just never quite adapt to any given individuals needs perfectly. And are more easily abused.

Charities are the better way to go when ever feasible.

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