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[–]flounder19 57 points58 points ago

It bugs me that it isn't "Religioff"

[–]Tazka 17 points18 points ago

Damn, didn't even notice it until came here to the comments. Now it bugs me too.

[–]on_the_redpill 3 points4 points ago

I came here to make sure someone already said it, so that it would bug all the people.

Religioff just sounds better in my head than Religoff

[–]i_miss_my_home 3 points4 points ago

Seeing that in the picture caused me to instantly try to think of the opposite of an "ion" which was then followed instantly by the realization that I'm an idiot for riding on that train of thought.

[–]smb8363 2 points3 points ago

ion made of antimatter.

[–]holz55 0 points1 point ago

I guess I'm an idiot too.

[–]sethtaylor7 2 points3 points ago

Talking about ions can always lead to a charged discussion.

[–]Brando2600 0 points1 point ago

No need to be so negative.

[–]twoclose 40 points41 points ago

[–]TellThemYutesItsOver 4 points5 points ago

we have a winner

[–]JesterAzazel 0 points1 point ago

This is why I defend /r/atheism when people go on about how much of a circle jerk it is. 50 people upvoted you and 67 people upvoted the person that said it was politics rather than religion. There IS common sense in this subreddit, you just have to go to the comments for it sometimes.

Posts like this are the cancer that makes this subreddit look bad, but the comment section is the chemotherapy.

[–]Lemmiwinks0141 1 point2 points ago

Comments aren't the circlejerky part. It's the front page.

[–]JesterAzazel 0 points1 point ago

I don't really get the logic behind that, either..

It's /r/atheism, people post about shit atheists like, other people upvote it. Is there any subreddit that doesn't work that way? Does /r/gaming upvote posts about going outside more, or reading a book once in a while? Does /r/conservative upvote liberalism?

[–]Lemmiwinks0141 1 point2 points ago

It's not exactly the topic of the content but just in my experience on /r/atheism there's more reposts on the front page, more facebook posts on the front page, basically more crap that gets positive attention. But that's just my opinion.

[–]JesterAzazel 0 points1 point ago

The very purpose of the front page is to display things that get more positive attention.

As for reposts, this site gets millions of users, so even on a post that gets 2000 votes, that doesn't constitute 1% of Reddit. If you see a repost it's by chance or because you're an avid Redditor. But almost everyone upvoting hasn't seen it.

[–]Lemmiwinks0141 1 point2 points ago

Very true it's just how different it is from other subs. I don't mind more reposts but two pictures can get 2k with two days pretty easy around here.

[–]JesterAzazel 0 points1 point ago

I imagine that has a lot to do with population. Not entirely, but that's part of it. The internet in general is an atheist heaven, so to speak.

[–]Lemmiwinks0141 1 point2 points ago

Absolutely but this one sub is different in that way from even the rest of reddit. That's why so many people single it out. Some think it's different in a good way but other say different in a negative way. I happen to think any 12 year old can take pictures from last month from this subreddit and continuously post them and end up on the front page multiple times. Something that would be harder to do somewhere else.

[–]JesterAzazel 1 point2 points ago

Maybe I don't come here enough to agree with that, but I can agree with it in a sense. /r/funny is even worse about karma whores. But sometimes I just tell myself that it's more about spreading a picture to a wider audience than getting karma. I try to see good intentions, even if I'm being delusional sometimes.

[–]Haz_Matt 6 points7 points ago

It took me WAY too long to realize what I was looking at.

[–]jesuslovesmethisino 8 points9 points ago

No more clouds?

[–]d3adbor3d2 49 points50 points ago

sorry, but religion did not cause this.

[–]PirateEyez 20 points21 points ago

Agreed. This was a result of politics, not religion.

[–]AManHasSpoken -5 points-4 points ago

This was a result of crime, not politics.

[–]phrankygee 2 points3 points ago

Religion, and politics, and crime.

The world ain't a simple place.

[–]Puppier 3 points4 points ago

Although the actual hijackers were probably motivated by their religion, the masterminds behind it were more motivated by their political beliefs.

[–]phrankygee 1 point2 points ago

I still have a hard time calling these guys "masterminds". It was a pretty simple plan. Brute-force take over a giant plane full of people, crash it into a giant building full of people.

Not exactly Moriarty, these guys.

[–]FreakInNature 8 points9 points ago

exactly.. now here we are in our own subgroup spreading misinformation about religion. :(

[–]d3adbor3d2 0 points1 point ago

i'm sure i will be downvoted to heck shortly so i'm relishing my 2 points as long as i can. thank you.

[–]kingssman 5 points6 points ago

As I recall it was due to international economic political conditions that caused a group of insurgents to make a strategic attack against an American economic and government buildings

[–]hopethemayanareright 2 points3 points ago

truth. Bin Laden wanted to get the American people to open their eyes to what our government does outside our borders. It wasn't a conspiracy by our government, it was a vessel by a group of insurgents to get Americans to ask questions about the people we put in command. More of retaliation to what Bush Sr. did in Iraq starting in 1982 and if you're not sure we helped Isreal by bombing the shit out of Iraq, killing hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians.

[–]d3adbor3d2 0 points1 point ago

just an fyi, obl did NOT lay claim to these attacks. the fbi couldn't prove it, and that's a fact. obviously we've all heard the different sides of this story so i'm going to leave it at that.

call me a tinfoil wearing loon but all those supposed proclamations of his were wrongly translated to say the least.

"I have carefully examined the Pentagon's translation. This translation is very problematic. At the most important places where it is held to prove the guilt of Bin Laden, it is not identical with the Arabic."

Arabist Dr. Abdel El M. Husseini

[–][deleted] -3 points-2 points ago

Man fuck off with that shit, you're just repeating that taazi piece of shits propaganda. Bin Laden was a filthy raghead piece of shit who straight up hated all non-Muslims and wanted to wage a global Jihad to bring about an Sunni Islamofascist caliphate. This is coming from an Iranian guy by the way so drop the "racism" card you're going to try to pull.

The destruction of Iraq was one of the best things to happen to the Middle East by the way.

[–]filletsack -4 points-3 points ago

Yeah I guess you're right. If you look past the whole mass-murdering genocide stuff, Bin Laden was a pretty cool guy!

[–]imazero 1 point2 points ago

The attacks on 9/11 were not due to religion, Bin Laden wanted Americans to wake up, and realize there is other shit going on in the world other than just what's in our country. He wanted us to realize our government was killing innocent people and that it's not right, hoping we would stand up for that. But religion got twisted up in it and the message didn't get through. The pilots that crashed into the building were Muslim but its simply because in the middle east it is mandatory. Touting that their "sacrifice" was to please Allah Im sure made it easier for them to do.

[–][deleted] -2 points-1 points ago

Bin Laden didn't give a shit about innocent people and the reason he fucked up those towers is because the dumb raghead wanted to establish a global Sunni Islamofascist caliphate.

Take your conspiracies elsewhere.

[–]Korgull 0 points1 point ago

There is no conspiracy.

The US foreign policy was and is horrible. The general attitude to anything non-American was and is horrible. It pissed a lot of people off. The US had something coming, simple as that. What Bin Laden and co. did was fucking stupid, but saying it was a purely religious act is just.. false. They may have used religion to attract recruits to commit the act, but ALLAHU AKBAR was not the reason for the attack.

[–]Willusions 7 points8 points ago

While I do see the point here, I seriously doubt this country would be the way it is (developed, technologically advanced, etc.) without religion. I consider myself a militant atheist, but I can appreciate the impact and role of religious beliefs on human history.

[–]pre8082 -5 points-4 points ago

Monotheistic Religion set us back atleast 1000 years in every scientific way. Your argument is backwards.

[–]bongsmoker666 2 points3 points ago

Monotheistic Religion set us back atleast 1000 years

lol. how exactly did you calculate that, my scientifically minded atheist friend?

[–]pre8082 0 points1 point ago

The Dark Ages refers to a period of roughly 1,000 years during which the science of the ancient Greek and Roman ocieties was forgotten, discouraged, and suppressed by medieval Christians. By placing their "holy" book above all else and fighting anything that was not consistent with it, early Christians set back scientific progress approximately 1,000 years.

What is even more troublesome than losing the advances of the ancients to early Christians' war on reality is that there are Christians today working toward similar ends. Recall that opposition to modernism and anti-intellectualism are key components of Christian extremism (http://www.atheistrev.com/2008/01/what-is-christian-extremism.html). The result is that we have a politically influential movement in the United States opposing education (http://www.atheistrev.com/2012/02/christian-right-war-on-education.html), battling science, and working to prevent equality for women, LGBT persons, atheists (http://www.atheistrev.com/2012/02/culture-war-20-or-same-old-war.html), and many other groups.

The next time someone asks you what is so bad about religion (http://www.atheistrev.com/2009/11/whats-so-bad-about-religion.html), don't forget to mention that religion has done far more than retard scientific progress. Even today, religious extremists are trying to undo centuries of scientific progress.

This doesn't even take into account the middle east and the progress they lost due to Islam.

[–]bongsmoker666 0 points1 point ago

The Dark Ages refers to a period of roughly 1,000 years during which the science of the ancient Greek and Roman ocieties was forgotten, discouraged, and suppressed by medieval Christians.

Stopped reading here because its a blatant historical myth.

[–]Willusions 3 points4 points ago

I hate to say it, but that's not true...at all. Look around you. Literally everything is either a direct or indirect result of man's religion in some way.

[–]pre8082 -2 points-1 points ago

ummm, no. All scientific discoveries ever made did not need, in anyway, religion to be discovered. It is very dishonest to say so. Please read below.

“Religion has opposed almost every scientific discovery in history. In the third century BCE, Eratosthenes discovered that the Earth was a sphere and accurately predicted the circumference to within 100 miles. Yet for more than a thousand years the Church maintained its dogmatic position that the Earth was flat thus staling what could have been heavily funded astronomy progress. Humanity suffered an immeasurable loss when Christian soldiers destroyed the irreplaceable Library of Alexandria. Dr. Carl Sagan estimated that this single act may have set back science more than 1,000 years.

After Copernicus developed the heliocentric principle of planetary motion, he postponed publishing the information until his death for fear of the Inquisition. Galileo was imprisoned and threatened with torture for publishing his observations concerning the orbits of the planets. Many great scientists and freethinkers were branded heretics and burned at the stake for daring to publicize ideas opposed by the Church.

Darwin and Einstein are still vilified for their monumental contributions to our scientific understanding of biology and cosmology. Popular works by modern scientists, like Stephen J. Gould, Richard Dawkins, and Carl Sagan, are criticized for teaching millions of people to better understand and appreciate science.

Evolution, a biological fact universally accepted by every accredited scientist on Earth, is under attack by fundamentalists who claim evolution is only a "theory." And a bad one at that. They claim Creation, exactly as it is described in the Bible, is the "true" origin of the universe and all life. Operatives of the Religious Right employ stealth tactics to gain access to local boards of education with the goal of replacing curriculums in evolutionary biology with what they term "creation science." These operatives almost succeeded in Kansas and are attempting to force through similar measures in Alabama, Kentucky, Ohio, and other states. Under intense pressure, the Hawaii State Board of Education unanimously rejected a proposal to add "alternative theories of origin" to the science curriculum. Perhaps the fundamentalists will next try to eliminate any teaching of the "theory" of gravity.

Medical science must also struggle against a riptide of religious intolerance. Researchers, who seek cures for diseases like AIDS, Alzheimer's, diabetes, and cancer, are constantly opposed by religious groups over DNA, fetal tissue, and cloning research.

Women's healthcare options, which include access to safe abortions, sex education, and reliable and affordable birth control, are threatened by interferences from right-wing religious zealots who will stop at nothing - including murder and terrorism - to force others to adhere to their extremist views. The Catholic Church opposes AIDS education and condom distribution in Africa and South America where the epidemic spreads unchecked and millions of people are certain to contract the disease and die.

Throughout history the Church record is consistent - they have been wrong on every account. Other than our calendar, which is perpetually flawed and requires an adjustment every four years (leap year), I am unable to identify a single other lasting and positive contribution to humanity that can be traced with honesty to any particular religion.”

Take your baseless apologist bull-shit elsewhere.

[–]Willusions 2 points3 points ago

I am no apologist, I just recognize the fact that if religion had not existed, the chance of the scientists and philosophers you mentioned being born is zero. Everything is a result of something, as cause and effect rule our universe. If not for religion, many early civilizations may not have thrived as they did. No Mesopotamia, no Greece. No Greece, no Rome. No Rome, no Europe. No Europe, no America. You must take into account the effect of religious beliefs and worship on the evolution of society.

[–]pre8082 0 points1 point ago

The present is not an excuse for atrocities in the past. While it is true the world would different without religion, the atrocities committed in its name show that the world would be better and more advanced in every aspect if it never existed.

[–]Tommyvern 0 points1 point ago

Makes me sad man, what a sad world.

[–]Chuckisbossingit 0 points1 point ago

Took me a while to see it. Long day.

[–]NaChoBizness 2 points3 points ago

It's ironic, the Twin Towers were basically a temple of capitalism, a system which in many ways operates similarly to religion; confidence in the economy = faith, invisible hand of the market = god, pyramidal corporate structure = church hierarchy, etc...

[–]TierOne 2 points3 points ago

If I remember correctly, didn't George H. Bush move into the middle east to collect oil? And besides that didn't we overthrow one countries government resulting in many deaths? Seems like politics not religion, just saying.

[–]mistidoi 2 points3 points ago

I don't know that the best account of the motivation for the 9-11 attacks was religion, my friend.

[–]brotha_z 2 points3 points ago

too be honest, we would still have terrorists whether or not they were religious.

[–]StreetSpirit127 6 points7 points ago

Except none of those towers would be there except for the outright rape and slaughter of those that lived in the area before Europeans took over. For thanksgiving, the churches of Manhattan island played soccer with the heads of the Pequot.

Islam isn't the "evil" religion, it's all religion, including the religion of the land the United States is resting on.

[–]rj20876 3 points4 points ago

It showed an atrocity committed by Islam, not specified it as any worse than any others. It was attacking religion, not Islam.

[–]StreetSpirit127 -4 points-3 points ago

Right, but I see something different when I look onthe New York skyline WITH the towers: I see bloodshed of non-Americans, of the indigenous that lived on the land before white Europeans arrived, and the blood of those throughtout the world on the bottom of the pyramid, the sick and dying Sudanese becaause of the American bombing of Al-Shifa, the landless peasants of Mexico displaced by NAFTA, the 500,000 Iraqi children killed by western sanctions and the millions slaughtered in Indochina by American bombs.

I abhor and detest the September 11th attacks but far worse is the brutality spent on the rest of the world for profits of the richest Americans, propped up by blind obedience to Christianity.

[–]EdinMiami 2 points3 points ago

When you look at the natural world, you see all the blood that was or theoretically was spilled?

That is really messed up.

[–]StreetSpirit127 -3 points-2 points ago

Skyscrapers aren't "natural".

[–]EdinMiami 2 points3 points ago

Do you really want to play the Literal Game after what you wrote?

[–]StreetSpirit127 -2 points-1 points ago

We're not talking in theoretical situations, we're talking in specifics. Where the towers used to stand, several Pequot heads were kicked through the streets.

[–]EdinMiami 4 points5 points ago

Assuming that is accurate, you are now saying you see "blood" looking at the towers but no "blood" when the towers aren't present?

See what I mean by Literal Game? I could do this all day but honestly it isn't that much fun. My obviously too subtle point was not to take it all too seriously. ymmv.

[–]pre8082 4 points5 points ago

Have a well-done upvote.

[–]Shtruntz 2 points3 points ago

Might wanna bone up on some world history. We aren't the only ones "responsible" for other nation's poor situations. We are just the only country that doesn't censor when people say so.

[–]StreetSpirit127 -1 points0 points ago

All of the examples I gave, yes, the United States committed.

Also, the United States is not the "only country that doesn't censor," that's absolutely bollocks.

[–]rj20876 0 points1 point ago

Agreed, but the attacks of September 11th were religiously motivated. You have to separate acts committed by Christians (such as sanctions, profiteering, the conquest of North America, etc) from those committed SPECIFICALLY by religion, much in the same way Dawkins said those committed by atheist should be treated differently than those committed FOR atheism.

I agree that much greater tragedies exist, and even some more in the name of religion, but I think youre splitting hairs and that the picture serves its message.

[–]StreetSpirit127 0 points1 point ago

But there was a political motivation for Sept. 11th, he said there were three reasons actually: support of Israel, troops in Saudi Arabia (holy land), and the sanctions against the Iraqi people. But in all of those things, it's religion that supports the power of the state. George W invaded Iraq by talking to God. The crusades were religion justification for a power and land-grab, along with some hokey nonsense of heroes.

I definitely over-reacted with my criticism again though, you're right that I was splitting hairs.

[–]rj20876 0 points1 point ago

Yeah, I can see your point though. Isnt it great being rational...lol.

[–]JaxRiens 0 points1 point ago

I hate to derail your rant, btu Manhattan island was purchased. there was no blood spilled for it and the natives left that particular piece of land on their own.

[–]StreetSpirit127 -1 points0 points ago

Purchasing property from communal people that have no concept of private property doesn't mean anything. Besides, the Pequot were run-aways from Connecticut and were pursued. Trespassing or not, slaughter for land and God is still pretty messed up.

[–]JaxRiens 2 points3 points ago

It doesn't matter no one was killed for manhatten island. There are plenty of other cities you could use for your argument, Atlanta, New Orleans, Richmond, Baltimore, Boston, Montreal, Toronto, Tampa, Orlando the list goes on.

Also most rich americans don't care about christianity unless its useful to them.

[–]StreetSpirit127 -1 points0 points ago

Kieft's War, Peach Tree war. But aside from that, I was talking about the actual kicking of Pequot heads through Manhattan, not that they were literally killed there, but heads were brought there.

[–]JaxRiens 2 points3 points ago

well lacrosse was a native american game originally played with a skull of the enemy. Also the peach tree war was an attack. If you get killed in an attack it is not the defenders fault.

[–]squigs 5 points6 points ago

Yes It's only about religion. No other socio-political factors were involved at all.

[–]CharlesDarwin59 0 points1 point ago

You guys should have seen the shit storm that resulted when I posted this on my wall lol

[–]Stragler 1 point2 points ago

Religion did not cause this. A certain group's hate for America did. It probably would have still happened even if they were all atheists.

[–]pre8082 -3 points-2 points ago

While the hate they have is a result of politics and religion, the action they took was almost fully justified by their "Faith" fed to them by Islamic Imams (death in service of Allah is the greatest way to die, blah blah blah).

"It probably would have still happened even if they were all atheists." Really? In what type of situation would people who don’t believe in God fly themselves into buildings? Do you know any Atheists who support suicidal genocide? Unless you can explain, this statement brings nothing to the conversation.

[–]sicurri -1 points0 points ago

Religion - Sunset in the background Religioff- No sunset in the background......

I'm pretty sure religioff should be a futuristic city with flying cars, but still looks similar to the religion city. So....yeah, you did it totally wrong, because everyone knows if there wasn't any religion, nanites would be eating our poo before we had to go poo.

[–]aciavare 0 points1 point ago

Why is it so much sunnier with "religion"?

[–]Lemmiwinks0141 0 points1 point ago

Ra

[–]lukealmighty7 1 point2 points ago

The city wouldnt have been built without religion.

[–]LandSharkLandShark 0 points1 point ago

Not religion. Shitty foreign policy on the part of America.

[–]StutMoleFeet 1 point2 points ago

I'm sorry, but why the hell is this on my front page? Isn't misinformation our biggest enemy? 9/11 was not to result of religious hatred. It was chiefly the result of two separate political events:

1.) - Pre-world war II, Britain had promised the land that is not Israel to the Palestinians. However, after the Holocaust, the UN decided to set up a separate country just for Jews, and they decided to screw over the Palestinians and put Israel where it is today. Not saying Al Qaeda's response to the situation was anything short of atrocious, but they're technically in the right as far as their stance.

2.) - Saudi Arabia is the Muslim holy land, so it pissed off Al Qaeda when the Saudi government allowed the US to station troops within their borders. This one does involve the Muslim religion, but it's really not the result of Islam. It's the result of a terrible decision by the Saudis.

So please, stop spreading the completely false idea that religion was anywhere near the cause of 9/11. It makes all of us look bad.

[–]Fuzzyhammers 0 points1 point ago

[–]serblop 0 points1 point ago

JESUS CHRIST THE TERRORISTS DID IT IN RETALIATION TO AMERICA BOMBING IRAQ AND THE MIDDLE EAST DURING THE 90s NOT ANYTHING ELSE!!!! I AM SO SICK OF WHINY TEEN ATHEISTS BLAMING EVERY SINGLE THING ON RELIGION. READ A BOOK, GET INFORMED!! JESUS!!!

P.S. I mad

[–]fegd -1 points0 points ago

That's just in bad taste, and it should have been religioff, as it's been already pointed out.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points ago

If Arabs didn't exist the Twin Towers would still be up.

Oh, are we forgetting almost all terrorists are Arabs and all the terrorists who planned and carried out the 911 attacks were Arabs now? Yeah, let me guess, Pisslam (the violent Arab made death cult) is responsible for 911 and not the backwards culture that Arabs regardless of religion follow.

[–]Jinnigan 0 points1 point ago

I agree, it's damn near impossible to find examples of Europeans or Americans killing lots of people for political purposes or personal financial gain.

[–]captainbubbles3 -1 points0 points ago

Absolutely Fucking Tasteless.

[–]rasst38 0 points1 point ago

It took me awhile before I realized it was talking about the towers and not Smoke Monster.

[–]D_Lumps -1 points0 points ago

Didn't get it. Looked harder. Then said "holy fucking shit, that is deep." Then the quote from Dogma about "the crazy shit that gets carried out in his name" came to mind...

[–]saddam1 0 points1 point ago

Americans are so mislead on this. The towers were attacked because of your foreign policy and corruption within your government, not religion. you guys get brainwashed so easily.

[–]Lemmiwinks0141 0 points1 point ago

Like I'm gonna trust saddam1.....