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[–]zyklonABC 1090 points1091 points ago

I just do it because free is always cheaper. I have no moral justification, it's just that I want free stuff.

[–]deanwinters 438 points439 points ago

I applaud your honesty. I don't have a problem with people downloading but I hate all of mental backflips people do to try and justify their actions. It's free, you try to support what you can but shit is expensive, I understand that.

[–]Catalyst6 234 points235 points ago

I will second that. What pisses me off almost more than the piracy itself is that people act like what they are doing is morally right. Just say the truth, for christssake.

To draw a parallel, gay marriage. "It's against gods will and will destroy 'merica" no no no. "It's icky" is what you're looking for

[–]greg19735 30 points31 points ago

i'm with you also. i may or may not pirate. but if i did it's because i like having it for free in a great format with few restrictions. i'd pay for some of it if it wasn't free. Some stuff i wouldn't pay for.

[–]darthmunkeys 15 points16 points ago

I wish there were a Steam for music. Ultra-low music prices, support for people who are just starting out, and summer sales.

[–]MapleSyrupJizz 20 points21 points ago

http://www.spotify.com/

More like netflix for music. I pay the $10 a month to get it on my smartphone and it is worth every penny. You'll find pretty much everything and anything on there except the Beatles of course.

[–]Tironsi_ne_NY 1 point2 points ago

Exatly this. Spotify has changed the game. Like any service that uses the same method. Let me pick my songs and create my playlist. Even if the radio plays all my favorite songs it still would not please me. It would not be in the order i wanted it. Spotify has converted a lot of my friends from downloading music iligally. To me using spotify it is easier and you'r garanteed a fair quality in sound. My friends don't want to sit there, risk getting viruses while trying to find a website that will allow them to download the song they are searching for free. When most likely they can just add it with a second on their spotify list. So, an other point goes out to the users prooving what we all claimed. That if you provide a service that is user friendly and users can costumize it to their prefference, they will stop pirating. At a reasonable price, of course

[–]adanceparty 1 point2 points ago

well the gay marriage is not really the same. If people are religious and use the Bible as a reason why it shouldn't be allowed. The Bible does state that it is wrong. It's not really the same thing. If someone is saying no gay marriage b/c I am a christian and the Bible says it is wrong, that is not at all the same as "it's icky".

[–]2bananasforbreakfast 1 point2 points ago

I think that's too easy to say. Before online piracy I never bought any music myself. Piracy gave me access to culture I wouldn't have experienced otherwise.

[–]buttsmcbutts 1 point2 points ago

I once had someone make fun of me and then give me shit for buying comics in a comic book store instead of pirating them.

I have money, I want to support the artist/shop and I have problems with comics not made for the web being presented in a on-screen medium.

Like seriously. Grrr. Let me have a preference and don‘t try to morally justify your theft.

[–]Son_of_Ticklepiggy 16 points17 points ago

it's not even too too expensive, it's just so easy to get it for free. I have no way to justify it at all.

[–]macwelsh007 7 points8 points ago

Buying and downloading an album from Amazon is pretty easy too.

[–]loves_reposts 1 point2 points ago

I think this is the best answer, it's free AND it's easy. If people could easily sneak into a concert to see their favorite band play, then they likely would do that too.

[–]narancs 29 points30 points ago

Agreed. Many times, I've seen perfectly intelligent and respectable people turning into bullshit-cannons exhibiting fox-news-anchorperson kind attempts at reasoning and justification, whenever this topic comes up.

[–]3rd_Shift_Tech_Man 14 points15 points ago

Not sure if this is bullshit-cannon or not, but 99% of the stuff I pirate is stuff I owned at one point whether it be records, cd's or cassettes. I don't mind paying for the music I like, I just refuse to pay for it twice.

[–]instapunish 13 points14 points ago

Its win some lose some. I think the insane positions people take are only because lawsuits on the issue are absurd. From what I can see its almost like jaywalking or taking some extra packets of sauce at tacobell - its a shitty thing to do but its not the end of the world like the *IAA wants to make it.

I think more people would be "honest" about all of this, but downloading has been practically put on par with child molestation. Threaten the global economy? Hide trillions offshore to avoid taxes? LIBOR? No big deal. Download a few songs though, and you're public enemy #1.

This might seem like hyperbole until you consider shit like this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sony_BMG_v._Tenenbaum

30 songs shared on kazaa when he was 17, million dollar lawsuit and a $625,000 jury verdict, reduced to $65,000. The story spans almost a decade at this point, from the letter in 2003 AND ITS STILL FUCKING GOING ON.

Then you have this:

http://www.forbes.com/sites/timworstall/2012/05/24/the-riaa-do-not-believe-a-word-they-say-ever-for-theyre-claiming-72-trillion-in-damages/

Doesn't matter if you go for 72 trillion, or 750 million thats absurd. We have shit going on like BP and Exxon raping our environment and thats ok. Depending on the numbers you go by, I've seen stiffer penalties for pirating a song than I have dumping a barrel worth of oil ($1,300 per barrel BP deepwater vs $22,500 for a song in Tenenbaum).

This is some absurd shit. If they can't prove that intentional profiteering from work under copyright took place, they should just limit damages to 10x face value. You downloaded a CD? $200 in damages - done. None of this: "Oh, an entire CD? That will be $300,000!"

[–]TheAtomicPlayboy 17 points18 points ago

Why lie, it's for beer.

[–]leedorham 31 points32 points ago

In the words of the great Perry Farrell: When I want something, man, I don't wanna pay for it.

[–]Dordorro 7 points8 points ago

Not to split hairs, but I believe it's "When I want something *and I don't wanna pay for it..."

[–]leedorham 25 points26 points ago

Sherrieeee don't like it ....
Lock the catbox!
Lock the catbox!

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points ago

You mean rock the casbah. That song was about Iran's banning of Western music.

Or maybe that was the point of your post.

[–]r2deetard 4 points5 points ago

Both wrong. Its "Lock the taskbar" referring to the Microsoft Windows function... duh!

[–]staplesgowhere 1 point2 points ago

It's just a simple fact...

[–]mikeno1 1 point2 points ago

I'm not sure if it's because it's cheaper or if it's because I cant afford to buy music. My iPhone can hold thousands of songs, pitty I would have to sell everything I own to be able to afford that much music.

[–]GDMFusername 1 point2 points ago

I've pirated software when I didn't have money to buy it. When I had money, I bought it. I don't see the harm in pirating something if you can't pay for it anyway. If anything, it seems beneficial to content providers by allowing a person who would otherwise never have had access to become a fan of an artist, series, or studio, and it allows people who can't afford things like Photoshop or Cubase to become comfortable with those systems and thus more likely to use them in the future, when they can afford to buy them.

[–]NOTAGNAME 1 point2 points ago

I used to... until they sued me for what I downloaded in the 8th grade. I was served on December 24th, 5 years after the screenshots they had.

All I can say, is whatever y'all's reasons are: KEEP DOING IT :) because I can't

[–]mau5step 1 point2 points ago

Upvote for you sir. For your honesty and because I came to say the same

[–]Quothefool 125 points126 points ago

I'll call bullshit. People pirate because they want media, and they want it free, either because they can't afford it otherwise or simply because they are cheap. It really is as simple as that.

[–]Carosello 25 points26 points ago

I'd be so broke if I bought everything I have on my iPod. So, so broke.

[–]11oops 10 points11 points ago

And yet if you're anything like me, you rarely listen to most of it.

[–]darwin2500 2 points3 points ago

I pirate because I want free stuff, but I'd pirate less if I thought it was more wrong.

Morality isn't the cause of piracy, but it's ludicrous to pretend it plays no part in the equation.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points ago

Not to mention that saying you pirate because you don't want to listen to the radio is completely stupid. Spotify, Pandora, etc.

[–]nellapoo 1 point2 points ago

Yup - My mom pirates because she can't afford even basic satellite service for tv and my ex pirates cause he wants to spend money on booze.

[–]spamdown 436 points437 points ago

And this is funny why?

[–]sgtpppr 112 points113 points ago

Considering it'll be reposted to every other subreddit, eventually it will hit one that is relevant.

[–]baconistic 24 points25 points ago

This comment is highly relevant to this post.

[–]MickJoest 8 points9 points ago

This statement is highly relevant to that comment.

[–]blue_gatorade 4 points5 points ago

Considering it has been posted and reposted to every other subreddit, eventually it will hit one that is relevant.

FTFY :)

[–]EnglishBulldog 125 points126 points ago

Maybe they meant to post this in /r/pathetic

[–]CONSIDERED_REBUTTAL 196 points197 points ago

You're in /r/pathetic

[–]SBecker30 69 points70 points ago

Aw shit. Get this guy some aloe.

[–]Tactful 3 points4 points ago

I hope he remembered to stock up on pop and crackle, because he just received a huge delivery of OH SNAP!

[–]RATES_YOUR_NOVELTY 42 points43 points ago

The humour here comes from the juxtaposition between highbrow and lowbrow comedy, the expectation of a thoughtful comment clashing against the reality of schoolboy insults. It's a one-note joke that backs CONSIDERED_REBUTTAL into a corner given that there is no room to expand from the template, but at least the account is fairly wise with when best to use the joke.

★★★★★★☆☆☆☆

[–]3holes2tits1fork 20 points21 points ago

Can you rate yourself?

[–]Calathas 2 points3 points ago

Can't you just type normally? The cursive does weird things to my eyes when in a wall like that...

[–]LiterallyKesha 40 points41 points ago

The cursive does weird things to my eyes when in a wall like that...

You mean like italics?

[–]Calathas 32 points33 points ago

My bad, in Finnish it's called kursiivi, so it's easy to get confused >_<

[–]lspetry53 4 points5 points ago

False cognates man, they'll get you every time.

[–]Tactful 0 points1 point ago

Dude, that's racist... they're Italian-Americans.

[–]tweekin_out 3 points4 points ago

there needs to be subreddit where people post things that are just plain true.

[–]BobRossNTV 8 points9 points ago

Might've meant to post it in /r/radiohead.

[–]Tazmily228 1 point2 points ago

Too late, it's the top-rated post on there, I think.

[–]xxRECKONERxx 1 point2 points ago

It's been posted in r/radiohead. A while back.

[–]BobRossNTV 2 points3 points ago

Nice name, and yeah, I saw it. Been subbed to /r/radiohead for quite some time.

[–]xxRECKONERxx 1 point2 points ago

Thanks man. And yeah, been subscribed to there for a while too.

[–]happlepaff 9 points10 points ago

I find it slightly funny because I pirated radiohead yesterday.

In my defence, I enjoyed it enough that I later bought it and another album

[–]SrsSteel 1 point2 points ago

Open the door, the fbi is waiting for you

[–]happlepaff 4 points5 points ago

time to deploy the stunt double

[–]x755x 1 point2 points ago

It's funny if you agree with the circlejerk.

[–]trenepos 1 point2 points ago

And this is funny why?

Because he's pandering to thieves.

[–]shoeler 304 points305 points ago

pro-piracy post on reddit? brave

[–]Only_A_Username 80 points81 points ago

By Thom Yorke, on top of it. /r/circlejerk is bleeding into real life.

[–]ZimEatsWaffles 22 points23 points ago

/r/circlebroke actually had a post recently that said that it was stupid that people try to justify piracy. It is stealing, but nobody really gives a shit.

[–]Khiva 11 points12 points ago

Here's a good example from today.

"I can't listen to this song on youtube? Clearly there's no other way to obtain this music without piracy."

GOOD JOB CORPORATIONS

[–]oneupdouchebag 1 point2 points ago

The only logical explanation is that the Government wants him to pirate Against Me!'s entire discography. He also doesn't have to seed, because it was a Government order (essentially).

[–]Gimli_the_Elf 0 points1 point ago

It ameliorates our guilt.

[–]fondlemeLeroy 3 points4 points ago

What guilt?

[–]stabag 69 points70 points ago

Spotify. A huge, free library of music. No need to pirate really.

[–]taterred 13 points14 points ago

Also, archive.org... Free live concert downloads that are 100% legal and supported by the artists.

[–]Roastmasters 2 points3 points ago

Cool. Never heard of this one, post it in /r/InternetIsBeautiful.

[–]Add4164 6 points7 points ago

I live in Mexico :( country restrictions

[–]Smaktat 4 points5 points ago

Spotify - Does not have smart playlist functionality. That's the main reason why I still don't use it, otherwise I'd love it. I live in my Recently Added and Recently Played through iTunes (as much as I hate iTunes).

[–]mistahave 1 point2 points ago

Spotify just circumvents piracy laws by not giving you an actual copy. it's like a giant, online storage facility. I think artists get like a fucking hundredth of a cent for a spin.

[–]stabag 1 point2 points ago

How much does the artist get per pirated torrent?

[–]w0bb 3 points4 points ago

Spotify is shit now with all the restrictions for free users. It used to be awesome, if a little limited in what you could find.

[–]1k2ka 12 points13 points ago

It's like 5 USD a month to access millions of songs. Music is cheap as dirt atm yet people still refuse to pay.

[–]lalophobia 1 point2 points ago

Haven't bothered pirating music since I have spotify premium...

Nor games since steady income plus steam..

But I'll admit since Netflix (and all similar) is unavailable in (my) country.. I can't say I never pirate anything

[–]1k2ka 2 points3 points ago

The solution is simple: Provide a better service and people will stop stealing. Where I live Netflix doesn't exist so pirating movies and TV-series is very common since it gets delayed by a ton of time before it gets here.

But yeah, I'm in the same boat as you. I don't pirate games because of Steam and I don't pirate music because of Spotify.

[–]JimAdlerJTV 58 points59 points ago

Never thought I'd downvote a Thom Yorke quote, but this is a repost AND is in the wrong subreddit.

[–]myhandsarebananas 42 points43 points ago

It's also a really shitty argument.

[–]aahxzen 8 points9 points ago

If you're trying to justify it. As a general explanation as to why it happens... sure. I mean, it's one of the factors. It's not the whole picture, that's for certain.

[–][deleted] 14 points15 points ago

AND is a stupid justification for pirating.

[–]fondlemeLeroy 5 points6 points ago

He wasn't justifying piracy, he was simply stating a reason why people decide to pirate. There's a difference.

[–]thinkt4nk 1 point2 points ago

Well the complete reason that people decide to pirate is because they want FREE access to music, and the music on the radio is shit.

[–]loves_reposts 1 point2 points ago

and might not even be his own or exact words.

[–]Moosebomber 1 point2 points ago

It's not even a justification, the quote is taken out of context.

[–]PepsiDude002 168 points169 points ago

TIL it's okay to pirate music because radio stations have shitty music.

[–]jjysoserious 14 points15 points ago

Btw this quote was taken out of context, Thom doesn't encourage piracy.

[–]wehopeuchoke 7 points8 points ago

IDK about that considering when radiohead released their song "These are My Twisted Words," the link they gave for the download was a mininova link. And then there's, of course, the whole pay what you want for In Rainbows which was basically giving it away making the statement that if people don't want to pay for music they shouldn't have to.

But yes, the quote was also taken out of context.

[–]metalmutt 1 point2 points ago

The point was to prove people would pay for music if they valued it, and to show that record labels were antiquated and don't effectively benefit some artists.

"I like the people at our record company, but the time is at hand when you have to ask why anyone needs one. And, yes, it probably would give us some perverse pleasure to say 'Fuck you' to this decaying business model."

Though, it is much easier for a band like radiohead to make it without a label compared to band who are just starting out.

[–]hrleaf 27 points28 points ago

The quote never says that it is okay to pirate music, just that this may be part of the reason it happens.

[–]72skylark 5 points6 points ago

Offering a reason for something is part of the process of rationalization, which itself is akin to justifying an action, in other words, it's offering an excuse for doing something bad in response to something shitty, which as we all know adds up to ethical salvation. Also, likely 99% of redditors know the context (i.e., Yorke has justified and defended piracy for many reasons) and most likely upvoted with that in mind.

[–]Tashre 26 points27 points ago

Stupid and unfunny, so why do I have a strong feeling that this is going to the front page?

[–]Scottama 1 point2 points ago

CORRECT!

[–]ThirstForSavings 31 points32 points ago

It is 2012, this is not relevant in the slightest.

[–]notjasonlee 7 points8 points ago

this. it is currently extremely easy to find and buy good (or otherwise) music on the internet. it's also relatively cheap.

[–]Wargall 52 points53 points ago

You actually pirate shit because most of you are poor as fuck

[–]bobaf 15 points16 points ago

I'm guilty as charged.

[–]x755x 4 points5 points ago

If you weren't so charged, maybe you wouldn't have to pirate.

[–]Epitome_of_Vapidity 9 points10 points ago

Poor as fuck expert here, you're right. Also if you spend $18 on a CD nowadays you are a fucking sucker, no matter how rich you are.

[–]Cuntosaurus 4 points5 points ago

Amazon has CDs as low as $5 on most of them. If they're over $12, you're paying too much.

[–]chain_chomp 40 points41 points ago

Pandora?

[–]ZapActions-dower 37 points38 points ago

Or Last.fm. Or Grooveshark. Or YouTube. Or Bandcamp. With internet access, you can pretty much listen to whatever you want whenever you want.

[–]mindokiller 13 points14 points ago

Last.fm just helps me decide what music to pirate next ;)

[–]gryts 1 point2 points ago

There's ways to pull up specific songs on pandora?

[–]chrisdidit 6 points7 points ago

That's what Spotify is for. Honestly I was a bad bad pirate until Spotify came along. Never thought I'd pay for stuff again, but aside from it being 100% free on your computer, for $10/mo I can listen to virtually any song, album, artist, anywhere with my phone. $120/yr to be able to be like "what song? Oh you mean THIS song? song plays and with their new radio feature, pandora has become obsolete.

[–]IHATE_R_ATHEISM 11 points12 points ago

I think Pandora is great for discovering new bands. If you take the initial time to tailor your stations, you can get some really awesome bands that you would never have heard of otherwise.

[–]nellapoo 1 point2 points ago

Pandora has been great for discovering new music. For specific songs I use playlist.com. Its not perfect and doesn't have a lot of music but its pretty good in a pinch.

[–]mindokiller 3 points4 points ago

I liked Pandora until the adds got out of hand. I DO NOT NEED EDD FARMICUTICALS!

I pirate music to enjoy on my own time, and will follow up with a purchase if its really worth it.

[–]Pop_Off 1 point2 points ago

*ads

[–]bmmbooshoot 1 point2 points ago

i love how you correct that but not "FARMACUTICALS"

[–]supernuckolls 32 points33 points ago

TIL: Thom Yorke and Clay Aiken are the same person.

[–]FoghatIsAmazing 13 points14 points ago

Clay Aiken has become fatter.

[–]IHATE_R_ATHEISM 10 points11 points ago

holy shit...

[–]aahxzen 1 point2 points ago

He suddenly looks like Martin Short

edit: perhaps, not so sudden.

[–]emperorpotatoketchup 4 points5 points ago

not fabulous at all

[–]jollyholliday 1 point2 points ago

My first thought was bearded Tilda Swinton.
Edit: spelling

[–]supernuckolls 1 point2 points ago

Haha! That is great.

[–]frownifdown 36 points37 points ago

This is a terrible argument. The alternative to pirating music isn't listening to the radio, it's paying for music on itunes or through some other medium.

[–]Overnight_Towel_Boy 1 point2 points ago

That's assuming that the consumers' market is downloaded music. The argument being made is that the consumers' market is free music.

[–]frownifdown 1 point2 points ago

The consumers market is music, not specifically free music. It just so happens that we can get music for free, albeit illegally.

Can we say that the only reason people rob banks is that the only way they can get money otherwise is to work? Their market is "free money" but just because other methods of acquiring money are less than ideal, that isn't justification for stealing it.

There is no justification for stealing music when there are legal methods of getting any music you want. But since when does a lack of justification stop anyone? Me included.

[–]austin3i62 5 points6 points ago

Why we repost shit.

[–]lrrrgg 5 points6 points ago

I used to pirate music all the time, and still do only when its not on Google Play / Amazon. I have realized that while driving in the car and wanting to hear something specific, it is so convenient to buy it on my phone and have it in seconds.

I now buy a lot more music. But if it's not available in those marketplaces, I pirate it.

I used to have an iphone but was so worried about the music not being transferrable to my other devices, I was still pirating.

TL;DR I buy more music now that vendors are offering quality and convenience comparable to the pirated versions.

[–]Kunkletown 1 point2 points ago

Same here with me and Steam. I used to pirate games all the time. Now I just wait for a big sale on Steam because it is so convenient. Nothing changed for me morally. I willl still pirate a game that isn't on steam without a second thought, but much of the time it is to much of a hassle. I

I think convenience can combat piracy pretty effectively. It will never stop piracy, but most people pirate because going through the proper channels is often more of a pain. It is also about money, but people don't notice as much when the individual payments are small.

[–]penultimator 5 points6 points ago

What's the difference between saving music by torrent versus recording and saving a song that plays over the radio?

[–]johnnytightlips2 20 points21 points ago

Besides the fact this isn't funny, it's also not true. Can you only buy songs played on the radio now?

[–]fassaction 4 points5 points ago

As a musician, I always gave my music away because I just wanted people to hear the music. I learned that if you give away free music and people think the music is good, people will come see you play. They will buy tickets, shirts, AND often buy a hard copy of your album......but you are not going to sell any CDs if you are putting out a crap product.

Prime example....Periphery's new album. It leaked....I downloaded it. I friggin loved the album so much, I went out and bought the hardcopy because they deserved it.

Maybe if more bands put out less shitty music, their record sales would go up.

[–]ctcuk 32 points33 points ago

But if you bought the music, wouldn't they play it more?

[–]Thefriendlyfaceplant 21 points22 points ago

There's a feedback loop between a song's sales and it's popularity. The only problem is that big labels chain the loop together and there's very little chance individual artists ever manage to tap into that. It creates a monoculture of songs. I'm not saying that the top40 songs are automatically of lower quality but there's so much diversity out there that people miss out on.

[–]wolfehr 13 points14 points ago

In The Power of Habit they talked about this. The author's explanation is that a songs stickiness has less to do with how much people like the song and more to do with how familiar it is. The more a song matches the standard structure/sound for that type of song, the less likely the person is to change the station. When something they're not familiar with comes on, they're more likely to change the station. This greatly increases the risk of experimenting with new music. That's why you'll often hear new songs sandwiched between two radio hits. They're disguising something new in a familiar package.

An example the author used was Hey Yeah by Outkast. It was unlike anything else on the radio, and initially flopped. Once the tactic for introducing it (wrap it around the familiar) was employed it took off and became a huge hit.

Edit: According to the author, that's also why you'll sometimes see grown men not change the station when Celine Dion comes on.

[–]thedrastic216 3 points4 points ago

hey yeah by outkast

Status of jimmies = rustled

[–]zlo2 21 points22 points ago

That was neither funny nor true.

[–]steamed__hams 128 points129 points ago

This is the dumbest thing anyone has ever said.

Pirating doesn't help you find good music. It helps you steal music you've already found and want to listen to. Just about anything you're pirating can be purchased via Amazon or iTunes.

[–]ashmaker84 7 points8 points ago

Internet radio makes this quote blatantly false.

[–]snaek 4 points5 points ago

i'm sorry, but this is completely untrue, especially pre-itunes. i frequented certain "smaller" torrent sites in the past and often found tons of music of artists i've never even heard of. i'd say the biggest reason is regional concerns. as a north american, i've gained much appreciation for european artists.

even going to a big name torrent site like the tpb, and browsing their top 100 music torrents, the tastes might be drastically different from itunes top 100. to provide another example, i also like to use youtube to discover new music. all 3 of these sources plus a ton of others can provide a lot of variety.

if you grew up in the napster days, you'd know that many people would just search for random stuff and download random stuff. if you liked the song, great; if you didn't, at least it didn't cost you much of anything.

[–]ArcticSpaceman 44 points45 points ago

Uh oh, here come droves of people with a guilty-conscience who don't like when someone uses the word "steal" when talking about piracy.

I'll get this out of the way before any tries to slip past it:

The only reason you don't want to call piracy "stealing" and instead you want to call it "copyright infringement" is because "theft" has a much stronger negative connotation in the minds of most people. I can guarantee you don't just have a passion for making sure people use legal arguments correctly. It literally affects you in no way to call it "stealing," other than making you feel bad.

[–]TooMuchPants 9 points10 points ago

I'm not disagreeing with you, but isn't there a flip side to that, though? Why call it "stealing" unless you're trying to make it sound worse than it is? Calling it copyright infringement "literally affects you in no way" except it doesn't sound as morally wrong.

I think both sides are guilty of trying to push the vocabulary in their favor, just like every single argument ever.

[–]ArcticSpaceman 3 points4 points ago

That's actually a very solid argument. Not sure if I can argue against it, really. Good comment.

[–]TooMuchPants 4 points5 points ago

Dude, you're going waay off script here. This is the internet. You're supposed to call me a faggot and then threaten to fly out and kick my ass or something, aren't you? Haha.

[–]mannajar 1 point2 points ago

Also, the term "copyright infringement" also happens to be technically correct.

[–]SvenHudson 20 points21 points ago

It is, from a legal standpoint, a separate crime. With its own name. With its own laws. Better, worse, or equal, there's no arguing against the fact that it's different.

[–]ArcticSpaceman 10 points11 points ago

You are 100% correct in this comment.

I still believe most people hide behind a term with less negative correlation to feel better about what they're doing. You, and they, are correct in asserting that stealing and copyright-infringement are in fact two separate crimes. But the argument shouldn't be "why are you calling it that?" It should be "Why are you doing that?" And the rhetoric issue just distracts from the actual issue and makes it harder to have a discussion about piracy.

[–]SvenHudson 8 points9 points ago

So then call it what it is and the argument can stay focused on things other than semantics.

[–]ArianFosterThePeople 3 points4 points ago

Then comes the argument of "If you steal it from a store the company incurs a loss. If you pirate music, they don't lose money because you wouldn't have bought it anyway." Then some ignorant fuck will chime in and try to make it seem like copyrighting material and making money off of it is a detriment to mankind somehow.

[–]Syphon8 1 point2 points ago

What? I download random albums all the time.

[–]Dragoniel 1 point2 points ago

I've found dozens of hits and groups through PirateBay. I used to hit www.darklyrics.com, read up and download what I found interesting. Or lookup entire albums from a single hit I heard on a street or something.

That was back when I didn't had credit card and couldn't own it.

I don't listen to music these days at all, but I should probably buy some of the metal I used to listen. Hm.

[–]Hikamiro 1 point2 points ago

Amazon / iTunes both do not support loss-less audio

[–]ellentoneff 12 points13 points ago

Why is this in r/funny? -__-

[–]caveman_rejoice 14 points15 points ago

I don't care for Radiohead. (oh please don't hurt me.)

[–]demon1255 2 points3 points ago

You are so fucking brave.

So.

Fucking.

Brave.

[–]hooizyoo 6 points7 points ago

This is kind of a bullshit argument. Regardless of whether the radio plays what you like, you have the option to buy it and own it legally. Itunes and every other service that sells albums and singles lets you preview every single song on the album too, so you really can't say that you don't want to buy an album without knowing if you'll like it first. I honestly don't really care if people illegally download their music, but just admit that you're doing it because you don't want to pay for it.

[–]gr8number8 5 points6 points ago

I once went up to Thom Yorke after a Radiohead show at the Hollywood Bowl to tell him how much I enjoyed his music. It was an after showy sort of thing with a DJ. After getting past his ginormous bodyguard, I was able to tell him how much his music meant to me. After I told him, he didn't say a word, gave a sneering look and looked the other way. I started listening to other bands with less shitty front men. Edit bodygUArd, not bodyGAurd*. Call off the hounds!

[–]dime5150 6 points7 points ago

False. Dumb to blame radio programming for ones inability to find good music.

Especially now. We have tons of avenues and pick and choose music. People just don't like PAYING for it.

[–]Manisil 7 points8 points ago

Why do I always pirate? because I just spent 200 bucks on tickets to your god damn concert, thats fucking why

[–]hotbert73 9 points10 points ago

He's not wrong about the radio being shit. especially in my town. classic 70s rock , light rocks greatest hits( all 80s light shit) and country.

[–]Merfen 10 points11 points ago

Oddly enough almost my entire album collection is 70/80s rock. So these radio stations are generally exactly what I look for. The only issue is when I am in the mood for techno, which is on no (normal) radio stations.

[–]emperorpotatoketchup 3 points4 points ago

you collection is also more than 20 songs unlike radio - fucking Steve Miller all the time

[–]redog 1 point2 points ago

Every damn station near me is a bunch of dumbass talking heads. There is one station every few years that will popup for a few months and play music then it vanishes. I love friday though, the local college has some bad ass blues playing on fridays.

[–]x755x 1 point2 points ago

Three stations?

[–]slicksps 1 point2 points ago

I had a chance meeting the other week with a radio advertising guy. His station plays nothing but 80's music because the people who listen to that have more buying power than those who listen to newer music who tend to be much younger.

[–]NowNowGuys 1 point2 points ago

It's partly licensing structures that are to blame. Broadcasters pay the same fee to play Hotel California by the Eagles as say, Storm by Godspeed You Black Emperor so they play the more familiar tune.

Of course, familiarity breeds contempt.

That said, grooveshark or pandora seem like better solutions going forward.

[–]RexBeckett 4 points5 points ago

As a sociologist, Thom Yorke is a great songwriter. Sure, Thom, people steal cars because buses are so boring.

This one's easy, people pirate music because values have broken down so much that stealing became "okay" when enough others were perceived as doing it. Simple as that.

Because of that breakdown, recorded music has been utterly devalued—what once was a commodity is now simply a commercial used to advertise a performer's shows.

[–]saarmi 1 point2 points ago

I don't pirate music.

I use spotify. Although no metallica is on. And no Led zepplin but there are alot of music on it, but not everyone is on it.

Small people can also put music on there if you write to them or anything.

Quick question! Do you guys in America have spotify? Or is it just european?

[–]ArcticSpaceman 1 point2 points ago

America got Spotify several months ago, yeah. It's pretty great.

[–]NeoCracer 1 point2 points ago

I also stopped downloading music since I have Spotify Premium. Really easy.

Some songs are not on it, and I'll still need to 'find them somewhere else' and store them locally. But the rest is all played from streaming. Saved me a lot of disk space on my laptop with SSD!

[–]SuperSaiyanVigoda 1 point2 points ago

I pirate music. Lots of it.

I also go to lots of concerts. This is my justification.

[–]arch4ngel 1 point2 points ago

He is right for my own side of the story.

When I was young I pirated all my music. At some point, I kind stopped when I could listen to Grooveshark. No more "mp3 sync at work" and all that jazz. I build a playlist at home and listen to it at work. It's convenient.

In my car, radio is shit. Too many ads that gets me out of my comfort zone. Instead, I registered for XM Radio. That shit is expensive. But I can pay that amount to have access to no-ads music radio. If I could have a service that allow me the same access... but for a cheaper price... I would change right away.

Insane isn't it? Pirate ready to pay for music.

It's not just a "radio is shit" problem. It's also an accessibility problem. Apple has done a great job with that so far.

Anyway... just my 2 cents.

[–]artacuno53 1 point2 points ago

There is not 1 punk or electronic station where I live, so hes right

[–]_supernovasky_ 1 point2 points ago

The bands I listen to don't care if you pirate their music. They make all of their money off of live shows. Hell, the thing most commonly downloaded are soundboards of their live shows... widespread panic, phish, string cheese incident, keller williams, sts9, etc.

[–]NCSUspoon 1 point2 points ago

People are willing to pay for creative content. Just look at the online specials by comedians Louis CK, Jim Gaffigan, and Aziz Ansari. But in the 21st century, people are also aware of the distributions and profits the industries are trying to enact. We want a fast, cheap and available download of the content we love. iTunes has done a pretty good job with this while still ignoring the cheap part. Ebooks have a huge problem with this. At $1 a song or $20 for an Ebook, consumers know the content isn't more to produce from an online media. If we can't get access to the media we want at a price the market deems fair, we will go somewhere we can get that, aka piracy. And of course the opposing argument is those artists like Nine Inch Nails who release their content at whatever price the audience wants and they don't get anything because if we can get it for free we will. But the industry needs to make a platform to easily attain the music at a fair price or else they won't win. So far they haven't and they're not.

[–]Moozhe 1 point2 points ago

I think musicians like Thom Yorke realize that the radio industry is an entire industry based around leeching money off of his work. They want to be the gatekeepers for someone else's work, and they want a cut of the profits.

In the past the radio was more necessary to sell records since you needed people to be exposed to your music before they'd buy your record. Now people can pirate or listen to you on YouTube before they buy, which are both 100x more convenient than the radio.

[–]Dawngaward 1 point2 points ago

I buy music if I really like the music, I download it if I don't care/don't feel like visiting youtube everytime.

[–]coolguy1793 1 point2 points ago

let's be real: Internet "piracy" is the new radio. Music industry needs to accept this and move on and develop a new model where their revenue is based on artist touring, merchandising, and licensing for commercial radio (as it's always done).

[–]eat-your-corn-syrup 1 point2 points ago

make payment easier than pirating and i will pay. Also, make it cheap.

[–]LizardsRmeiLyfe 1 point2 points ago

He's just jealous Radiohead, ironically, is not played on the radio.

[–]Xiattr 1 point2 points ago

If your music is good, I will purchase it. Because you have gone out of your way to make significant music, I will go out of my way to give you money to support the music I have already otherwise acquired.

I don't know if your music is any good until I've heard it.

If I hear your music and hate it, bet I'm glad I didn't buy it, huh?

And if I am forced to purchase your music because I can not otherwise download it, and I find out I hate it I will declare you a con artist and make sure everybody I know knows what a con artist you are.

I know this may be a double-edged sword of a philosophy: I demand good music and the ability to hear it without having to pay if I am going to think about paying for it, and therefore others may not wind up paying, because why, I already have it?

But making us pay for your music isn't going to help spread you around. And it certainly isn't going to turn you into a superstar.

[–]MilkyJoe7 1 point2 points ago

BBC RADIO 6 MUSIC

[–]TheMorphling 1 point2 points ago

No, you pirate because you want stuff for free instead of supporting the artist. Stop sugar coating it, if you illegally download something because: a) it's too expensive for you b) you don't think the maker deserves money for what they have done c) you don't like some aspect of what they are doing (I see this a lot with games, people "boycott" the game by not paying for it) d) the legal version has DRM that's inconvenient. You are just pirating because you don't want to pay for it.

Only time pirating stuff is ok if it's IMPOSSIBLE for you to obtain it legally, say a game can't be bought in Australia because it has too much violence in it. Or the music is from a band in Iran, but they don't sell CDs internationally.

[–]powerfulbuttblaster 1 point2 points ago

After WFNX in Boston closed yesterday, I feel this statement is more relevant than ever. Clear Channel now owns 5 of Bostons FM channels. They also took away our beloved WBCN.

I do pirate music because I can be a cheap asshole, but I do buy music from those who deserve the money.

[–]SleepCycles 1 point2 points ago

Thom might be an ugly swine but he's not an idiot.

The radio thing is only sort of true. Radio is good if you know when to listen to it. Online radio has made it very easy to listen to lots of great new and interesting music.

I buy a lot of music because I both DJ a radio show and collect vinyl and other rarities. I also download music because when I want that limited to 45 cassette and its sold out, I probably know one of the guys that bought one and I can get a decent rip. Is it any different to how folk would dub a vinyl to a tape 20 years ago? Nobody was getting locked up for that on mass.

Bandcamp makes it slightly easier to get OOP material when they sell the digital but it hardly covers all the material that I want to get a hold of.

Support the music you love. When you can't support a musician with money, what are they losing out on if you download their music? They just gained a fan who will potentially go on to buy a record or go to a gig.

[–]DidntClickGuy 1 point2 points ago

I pirate all sorts of stuff, and when I like it, I buy it.

Sorry TV series people - you're going to have to wait until the DVDs come out before you get paid. :(

[–]elfstone666 1 point2 points ago

I do it simply because I really can't afford CDs. When I can spare some money I do like to get albums I enjoyed at a reasonable price online. That is less than 15$.

[–]SuperGandolf6 1 point2 points ago

the mans logic is a lil off

[–]InternetSam 1 point2 points ago

Unpopular reddit opinion of the day: I think pirating music is bad and you should feel bad.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points ago

Ol' Thom shoulda thought of this before he signed a record contract guaranteeing them exclusivity to sell his record and play it on the radio.

[–]Atomisk 1 point2 points ago

I'm not particularly anti-piracy, but I'm seeing a pretty big hole in the logic of this quote. People don't pirate music because they don't like the radio - they pirate it because it's free and easy. I don't like the radio either but I still buy all my underground stuff. (inb4 "your money goes to labels, not artists". Most of the stuff I buy is generally from a small collection of labels that I support).

[–]thesosnuggly 1 point2 points ago

its ironic because he is in a band called radiohead

[–]RocksAndSoup 1 point2 points ago

Hell yea Radiohead!

[–]butterscotchripple 4 points5 points ago

You fucking twits defending your behavior. Just admit you do it because it easier and cheaper, those are the fucking reasons. I can justify anything if I twist it right: "I had to eat those babies, they were going to grow up to eat other babies."

[–]Hyperzilean 1 point2 points ago

[–]itstrueimwhite 2 points3 points ago

Yeah, not because it requires minimal effort and is free...

[–]random314 2 points3 points ago

People just wants stuff for free. It's simple as that. All that crap about fighting the system is bullshit. 10 years ago pirating might have serve a reason, but not anymore.

[–]qwerqs3 1 point2 points ago

pathetic excuse.

[–]red321red321 1 point2 points ago

i never really thought of it this way. i do it because i'm a criminal who doesn't want to pay for music but when i think about it half of the music that i like and that i've listened to and still listen to i cannot find on the radio.

[–]chiablo 1 point2 points ago

I would also be more than willing to give artists money for a DRM free, inexpensive digital copy of their album. Trent Reznor had the right idea with his Ghosts albums.

If I could go onto an artist's website, pay $5 for MP3s of their latest album, I would stop pirating music completely.

[–]teejaydub 1 point2 points ago

Funny that he would say that, since Radiohead, and presumably Thom Yorke, stole one of their first singles "Creep" from The Hollies, to which The Hollies sued the members of Radiohead and won for copyright infringement.

Proof

[–]Tobius__Funke 1 point2 points ago

As someone who rarely buys music.. this quote does not work.

I'd go with the, so much modern music is shit, people would rather not pay for music that might be shit than spend money on something that turns out to be shit.

[–]SewprA 1 point2 points ago