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[–]crashedpumpkin 128 points129 points ago

Turns around "ahh man, i shot Sara in the face...."

[–]os99 41 points42 points ago

What the fuck y'do that for?!

[–]MeZoosta 34 points35 points ago

'Cause she looked like a bitch!

[–]Halsey117 30 points31 points ago

What?

[–]MeZoosta 18 points19 points ago

SAT WHAT AGAIN! I DARE YA! I DOUBLE DARE YA MOTHA F-BLAM!

Ah man, I shot myself in the face!

[–]thunnus 19 points20 points ago

Oh man! I have seen some crazy ass shit in my time, but this....

[–]RottenDeadite 10 points11 points ago

You get an upvote for quoting a line that nobody ever thinks of.

[–]Djugdish 20 points21 points ago

Let's not start sucking each other's dicks quite yet.

[–]thunnus 4 points5 points ago

Check out the big brain on Brett! You're a smart motherfucker.

[–]Mr_Winston_Wolf 0 points1 point ago

Hey! That's my line.

[–]ProjectD13X 21 points22 points ago

So what is that? That like a Glock-47?

[–]HawkeyeFan321 15 points16 points ago

[–]ProjectD13X 7 points8 points ago

I rarely visit /r/gats. What a coincidence.

[–]MeZoosta 4 points5 points ago

You...what have you exposed us to?!

[–]sm4cm 18 points19 points ago

[–]MeZoosta 7 points8 points ago

SHOW IT AGAIN! I DARE YA! I DOUBLE DARE YA MOTHA FЦCKER! SHOW R/GATS ONE MORE TIME!

[–]sm4cm 2 points3 points ago

Whoa man, calm down buddy. Im not sure whats wrong but like, you asked him what he exposed you to and all. I thought maybe you forgotten he had exposed you to /r/gats, pal. Sorry bro

Edit: is /r/glocks anything?

[–]MeZoosta 3 points4 points ago

Do you not see a movie reference in my above comment? :P

[–]gerken 2 points3 points ago

What does sm4cm look like? ...Does he look like a Bitch?! ...THEN WHY YOU TRY TO FUCK HIM LIKE A BITCH MeZoosta?!

EDIT: NO I CAN'T STOP YELLING, THIS IS HOW I TALK. HAVEN'T YOU SEEN MY MOOOVIIEIESS?

[–]fraiditaintso 2 points3 points ago

A reddit with no downvotes? Only love :)

[–]RustBrotherOne 2 points3 points ago

Lets fix that... no, fuck it. Here's an upvote. :)

[–]flyingkwaj 2 points3 points ago

Springfield Armory XD-45 series

Edit: Corrected, not .45 ACP

[–]Sloppy1sts 7 points8 points ago

It's a 9mm. "9 x 19" is visible in the ejection port.

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[–]ProjectD13X 17 points18 points ago

[–]VeranoJoe 1 point2 points ago

That wasn't much of a joke though.

[–]bettorworse 0 points1 point ago

It's not bad.

[–]PastaNinja 1 point2 points ago

Holy fuck, I'm saving this.

[–]TarBarrel 1 point2 points ago

I like that one better.

[–]Bloodfeastisleman 3 points4 points ago

Is there a sign outside my house that says dead white bitch storage?

[–]alee13 21 points22 points ago

Man, I don't even have an opinion.

[–]nataskaos 11 points12 points ago

well you GOT to have an opinion...BANG

[–]rayraythespy 6 points7 points ago

Aw man I shot Marvin in the face

[–]Razgrizacez 2 points3 points ago

I mean, you've gotta have an opinion. Do you think that God just came down from heaven and stopped th-.

[–]constantvariables 2 points3 points ago

OP should have based the joke around this.

[–]RocKiNRanen 0 points1 point ago

I honestly haven't seen it yet.

[–]Ryusko 59 points60 points ago

So I've been watching Game of Thrones, and in the picture John Travolta looks exactly like Daenerys Targaryen

[–]capnpitz 33 points34 points ago

And you will know I am the Khaleesi of the Dothraki when I lay my vengeance upon you.

[–]SirPasta117 6 points7 points ago

I will take what is mine! With fire and blood!

[–]LnDHaze 8 points9 points ago

Aren't her season 2 lines mostly. I'M GONNA MAKE SHIT UP THAT NEVER HAPPENED! And Dragons!

[–]Manic_8_Ball 1 point2 points ago

WHERE ARE MY DRAGONS?

[–]KilgoreTroutQQ 0 points1 point ago

Holy shit you're right...

[–]SirPasta117 0 points1 point ago

They had to, otherwise she would have never been in Season 2

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points ago

Did you know that "Blood and fire" is the motto of the Salvation Army?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Crest_of_The_Salvation_Army.png

[–]Driesens 20 points21 points ago

That IS a creepy similarity.

[–]hinduguru 3 points4 points ago

[–]Driesens 0 points1 point ago

IDK. Something about Travolta's eyes in that frame. Maybe the area around his eyes.

[–]TotallyFlaccid 11 points12 points ago

i didn't even believe you but then i looked.... wwwwaaaaa

[–]DrDWayneLove 3 points4 points ago

She has tiny eyes.

[–]Lord_Purple_ 0 points1 point ago

Holy shit she's wearing a Pixies top. I wonder if she actually likes them.

[–]I_am_salad 0 points1 point ago

Your head will collapse... But there's nothing in it.

[–]xebo 5 points6 points ago

What? I don't even know where to begin with this comment. I need to lie down.

[–]McBurger 5 points6 points ago

DO NOT CROSS ME. I AM VINCENT STORMBORN OF HOUSE TARGARYEN AND I WILL TAKE WHAT IS MINE WITH GUNFIRE, AND BLOOD.

[–]Vectoor 1 point2 points ago

wat

[–]AndyWilliams 1 point2 points ago

It is known.

[–]Smaktat 1 point2 points ago

There is no way that you watch Game of Thrones and just know how to spell Daenerys Targaryen without looking it up. That's right, I'm calling you out on your pre-post Google.

[–]Ryusko 2 points3 points ago

Nice try: I read the books too. In your defense, though, I did double-check it with Google.

[–]TotallyFlaccid 1 point2 points ago

it isn't THAT outlandish that people read and are good at spelling at the same time

[–]Smaktat -1 points0 points ago

I was moreso referring to the idea that watching Game of Thrones implies the TV series, and there really aren't too many too many times where you'll read Daenerys in the show.

(Called out on subtitles though. That was clever.)

[–]TotallyFlaccid 0 points1 point ago

ahhhhh i see my mistake i take it back

[–]el_loco_avs 0 points1 point ago

some of us watch with subs ;)

[–]zrodion 0 points1 point ago

Man, I bet George R.R. Martin looks up her name when he writes a new book.

[–]Smaktat 0 points1 point ago

Lol I couldn't even write that post without looking at how the guy above me typed it.

[–]ios_k 0 points1 point ago

Does that mean that they have the same taste in men too?

[–]HeronSun 0 points1 point ago

... God dammit.

[–]Rekkitt 53 points54 points ago

I think this would be funnier if the frames were: 1,2,4,5 and then 3. Funny either way.

[–]ElkCloner 96 points97 points ago

[–]QuiteStrange 14 points15 points ago

100% improvement sir.

[–]fridge_logic 6 points7 points ago

I love team efforts on reddit.

[–]whydontyoumarryit 1 point2 points ago

I you love them so much, why don't you marry them?

[–]online222222 6 points7 points ago

Because fuck you that's why

[–]ios_k 1 point2 points ago

It will be such if it get reposted and goes off 3k karma.

[–]Clit_Commander[S] 4 points5 points ago

Dude this is great!

[–]virtualroofie 0 points1 point ago

Oh yes, much better

[–]POOP_ALL_THE_PARTIES 0 points1 point ago

Totally

[–]dangerousD85 11 points12 points ago

Did you notice a sign out in front of my house that says Dead Cracker Storage?

[–]BackToOllieWilliams 25 points26 points ago

SHE DEAD.

[–]BackToOllieWilliams 18 points19 points ago

It's ironic, because the man that voices me on Family Guy, Phil Lamarr, is the same man that played Marvin, the character that they shot in this Pulp Fiction scene.

[–]NonSequiturEdit 45 points46 points ago

Coincidental, you mean. Ironic is when it ray-ee-ains on your wedding day.

[–]BackToOllieWilliams 17 points18 points ago

KID'S GOT JOKES.

[–]DeuceSevin 5 points6 points ago

Or a "No Smoking" sign, On your cigarette break.

[–]Thtswutshesed 1 point2 points ago

Nothing in that song is ironic. I think that might be the irony. . .sneaky, Alanis. Verrry sneaky.

[–]harky 3 points4 points ago

Verse two begs to differ. Most of the song is definitely not ironic, but the claim that nothing in it is ironic is incorrect.

[–]ios_k 0 points1 point ago

One might argue that such a claim is ironic in itself.

[–]guywhoishere 0 points1 point ago

The rain could be ironic, depending on why you picked that as your wedding day.

[–]Thtswutshesed 0 points1 point ago

She doesn't specify.

[–]Rosetti 1 point2 points ago

Phil Lamarr also voiced Carver on Weekenders, which was a fantastic show.

[–]Tokiehardo 2 points3 points ago

Phil LaMarr has an extensive library of voice-acting work. Aside from playing basically every black guy in every cartoon for the last 15 years, he's also played a ton of white guys.

[–]shrlock 1 point2 points ago

It was. Fuck the haters. Tino was a mo'fucking boss.

[–]Rosetti 0 points1 point ago

Indeed, imo, he was cool and radically popular.

[–]akpak 0 points1 point ago

Thank you, Ollie!

[–]Brash_Attack 9 points10 points ago

I don't know much about guns, but I always found it odd that a bullet didn't go out the back window. Bullets go through heads, right?

[–]HeronSun 19 points20 points ago

Not necessarily. It depends on the bullet. If it's a hollow-point, which most bullets you see in films like this are, then what happens is that the hollow point, upon contact with the skull, makes a mushroom shape and peals away from the back of the bullet. When this happens, the shards of the bullet enter the skull at an alarming rate, meaning you have little razors flying around the victims head at an alarming rate, destroying tissue, brain-matter, what have you. When it comes out the back of the head, all that's left is a big funnel of tiny razors that wouldn't be sufficient enough to penetrate or break glass, namely because they've lost velocity after going through a skull and brain.

[–]fridge_logic 2 points3 points ago

Three posts all starting with: "It depends on the bullet." all withing 1.5 mins of each other, you were the middle post, but the best.

Congratulations.

[–]Ryusko 6 points7 points ago

It depends on the gun and the type of bullet. Lower caliber guns or bullets that are meant to shatter on impact usually wont come out the other side.

[–]AoK47 3 points4 points ago

Some of the people responding to you are wrong. Hollow points do not generally break apart, shatter, or turn into shards.

Furthermore, I believe Vincent has a .45 caliber 1911 in this scene which, regardless of bullet type would probably go through a head and windshield.

[–]infinitemonkeyrage 1 point2 points ago

depends upon the calibre & type of bullet, if it's a low-powered/smaller calibre bullet, whilst it might make it through the head, a lot of the force will be lost turning Marv-I mean, Sara's brains into Pulp, thus leaving the bullet with insufficient force to break through the glass when it gets out the other side. Fiction comes up with all sorts of implausible bullet physics, so I can understand the confusion.

Edit = triple hive-minded. well I never.

[–]Lefty07 0 points1 point ago

a 22. pistol. , when entering the skull can bounce off the inside richochting around till it stops

[–]pupeno 2 points3 points ago

But a .22 wouldn't splatter the brains like that now, would it?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point ago

I don't think anything would splatter brains that much, looks like someone through spaghetti at the back of the window.

[–]pupeno 0 points1 point ago

I don't know but even if in the movie it's exaggerated, it still stands that the shot caused splatter, a .22 wouldn't cause it (generally) while a more powerful round with hollow point might cause a lot of spatter while still not breaking the glass.

Obviously in the movie it's special effects.

[–]ProjectD13X 0 points1 point ago

Come on over to /r/guns on Monday or Thursday, we have weekly threads then so people can ask any kind of gun related question they like and not get mocked for it (seriously though, you'll get mocked if you say dumb stuff, it's an unforgiving place, except on those threads)

[–]PeculiarHannahJo 2 points3 points ago

I like your username.

[–]Crustyfluffy 2 points3 points ago

Didn't there used to be a lot of memes using this template that were filled with the absolute raunchiest sex jokes?

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points ago

Co-worker argues to this very day that Pulp Fiction and The Dark Knight were the worst movies ever made.

[–]toine55 1 point2 points ago

I'd like to hear his argument. *spelling

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points ago

He just says that pulp fiction was boring and the jumping around stories was dumb, and that in Dark Knight he hated the joker, he said that it shouldn't have been played that way and ruined the whole movie :/ we fight about this weekly

[–]loke574 11 points12 points ago

Mind blown

[–]frog_gurl22 10 points11 points ago

Best. Mashup. Ever.

[–]CMOS222 3 points4 points ago

** raises hand tentatively **

Um...could someone please explain to me the appeal of Pulp Fiction? Or any other movie by Quentin Tarantino? I just don't get it, all of his movies leave me with the feeling, "yeah. Next."

I'm not trying to insult anyone's sensibilities, and appreciate that people can have different tastes in movies. It's just...seems like...he learned how to make movies by watching B movies...now he makes B movies. I just don't get the appeal.

[–]AaronJ96 0 points1 point ago

I feel like he makes really bad movies very well if that makes any sense. You can't watch a movie of his and expect the godfather. He has his own distinct style that I personally love but if you don't like it then you will hate the movie.

[–]CMOS222 1 point2 points ago

Hmm...one thing you have to say about B movies is because they are usually low-budget, they have to survive on good story lines and good dialogue if they are going to be enjoyable. You do get a sense watching his movies of a group of adrenalin-junkie writers in a smoky room trying to thrash together a coherent story, rather than something like, say, the Godfather, with a ponderous film studio bureaucracy adding too much mass to the production.

[–]AaronJ96 0 points1 point ago

I feel like his dialog is amazing and so are his story lines but his story lines just aren't serious. I don't think it takes away from the movie but I can see why people think they would. For example the history in Inglorious Bastards is completely wrong but Tarantino just didn't give a fuck.

[–]CMOS222 0 points1 point ago

That scene in Pulp Fiction when Christopher Walken was talking about having the watch up his ass while in prison...looking back now I can see how Walken must have loved delivering those lines, but at the time I was like, W-T-F?

[–]Dame 0 points1 point ago

It's the dialog.

[–]shrlock 1 point2 points ago

are you saying you like it or don't like it?

[–]Dame 0 points1 point ago

Absolutely love it, I love anything Tarantino, mostly because of the dialogue. The words they use, the way they talk to eachother, it's unique. People don't talk like they talk, but it's subtle. Then you also have the bad-assary going on which just kicks a million asses. But it's mostly the dialogue, the violence is secondary, an accessory. Pay attention to what they are saying to eachother, it's just... brilliant really. Witty, choreographed, smart, every word is hand picked by Tarantino.

You may like this article.

http://www.thelmagazine.com/newyork/quentin-tarantino-in-his-own-words/Content?oid=1243135

[–]CMOS222 0 points1 point ago

Now that you mention it, one thing I WILL say for his movies is that the actors he casts really seem to enjoy the roles and performing the dialogue. I don't know whether that's good casting, good writing, or both. It sort of reminds me of Glengarry Glenross...you can tell the actors are loving getting their teeth into the script. And I do have to say the final restaurant scene in Pulp Fiction is well choreographed. It could stand as a short film all by itself.

Okay, I'm sold. Thanks guys!

[–]akpak 0 points1 point ago

They're very intellegently written as far as dialog and plot pacing. They are "well written" movies masquerading as B-Movie "pulp fiction" (heh) crap.

The title lets you know exactly what you're in for, and delivers one of the best scripted and acted examples of the genre.

If you didn't know what "pulp fiction" was before you saw Pulp Fiction, you sure did after seeing it!

[–]CMOS222 0 points1 point ago

Okay I see what you mean. NOW I get it.

[–]akpak 0 points1 point ago

Also plus 'cause the awesome soundtrack.

[–]rgliszin 0 points1 point ago

I feel like he gives people exactly what they want in a film; violence, blood, sex, guns, and good tunes. And sometimes its just enough for me to enjoy it.

[–]CMOS222 1 point2 points ago

Okay.

[–]InspectorX 12 points13 points ago

In France they call that a Royale with cheese.

[–]funkmastamatt 29 points30 points ago

Hey, I remember that line too!

[–]P1TA 11 points12 points ago

Yes, but did he look like a bitch?!? Harharharharhar!

[–]ChocolateLasagna 6 points7 points ago

ENGLISH MOTHERFUCKER DO YOU SPEAK IT haha I can quote lines too.

[–]el_loco_avs 4 points5 points ago

This thread lacks Ezekiel 25:17

[–]CoolMoose 1 point2 points ago

WOAH, you saw that movie too???

[–]TheCosmicCoyote -1 points0 points ago

What do they call Krusty's Partially gelatinated, non-dairy, gum-based beverage?

[–]Mylon 1 point2 points ago

Pure genius. Very well done.

[–]supergreekman123 1 point2 points ago

Oh Vincent. Am I the only one who laughed hysterically during that scene?

[–]Hyphnip 1 point2 points ago

This is the best one of these I've ever seen! Kudos to whomever made it.

[–]RamRun 1 point2 points ago

It would be funnier if you swapped the last two images

[–]Agubus 1 point2 points ago

I love most Tarantino films....but i really did find this movie beyond boring....

[–]Alexanderh86 1 point2 points ago

Terrible trigger discipline

[–]HighSpeed556 1 point2 points ago

Well...to be fair, the movie was drastically over-rated. :(

[–]Dame 1 point2 points ago

I am so convinced that Vincent shot Marvin in the face, ON PURPOSE. Because Marvin almost got them killed for not telling about the guy in the bathroom with a fucking hand cannon. Anyone else think so?

[–]tandeg 4 points5 points ago

So the joke is that I deserve to die because I thought Pulp Fiction was awful?

[–]ChoTai 2 points3 points ago

No man, it was a bump.

[–]stitchy1503 -1 points0 points ago

Well, you wouldn't be alone at least. With the exception of a few scenes, the movie is pretty terrible.

[–]AATroop 0 points1 point ago

... Not.

[–]bettorworse -1 points0 points ago

America! Guns!! Die!!!

[–]e_vision 0 points1 point ago

This wins the Internet today.

[–]HeinskeetsVelvet 1 point2 points ago

Is it just me or does John Travolta look like Zach Braff in this pic?

[–]JavaLSU 1 point2 points ago

It's crazy when I think that Pulp Fiction is almost 20 years old. Not because it makes me feel old, but that there are so many young people who may have never even heard of it.

[–]macspayn 1 point2 points ago

I actually watched Pulp Fiction just now the movie was released on the same year it was born.I love Tarantino's style so I enjoyed the movie.

[–]wavefunction84 5 points6 points ago

I've actually never been a fan of it. I heard it hyped for years and years and years and finally when I was 25, I broke down and watched it. Afterwards I wondered if there was anything I missed, so I watched it again. Nope. I got it all.

I felt the same way about Quentin Tarantino's other movies too. Not bad, just if you don't watch them first as a teenager when you're prone to be blinded by cool, you're never going to enjoy them as an adults sans nostalgia.

[–]JavaLSU 2 points3 points ago

I think that it really isn't the age, but the time. When that movie came out, there really wasn't anything like it ever before. It slapped you in the face with freshness.

[–]wavefunction84 0 points1 point ago

I wish I had a time machine, then. I think I had already seen everything by the time I discovered Tarantino.

You're probably right but I'm still curious about it so I went and started a thread.

[–]mattsprofile -1 points0 points ago

[–]uberguby 1 point2 points ago

It's such a scary fucking world for someone who doesn't really like Quentin Tarentino.

[–]mattsprofile 4 points5 points ago

Who said I don't like Quentin Tarentino? I just don't like Pulp Fiction.

[–]uberguby 1 point2 points ago

I didn't mean to imply that you didn't. In hindsight, clearly I did. Oops.

[–]littleelf -3 points-2 points ago

Yes. And your opinion is wrong.

[–]mattsprofile -2 points-1 points ago

It's impossible for an opinion of preference to be wrong...

[–]DeuceSevin 8 points9 points ago

Not impossible on reddit

[–]mattsprofile 2 points3 points ago

The most accepting and hateful place on the internet.

[–]Thtswutshesed 0 points1 point ago

Heeeerrre's Johnny!

[–]heavily_medicated 0 points1 point ago

IN THE FACE!!!

[–]The_mexicant 0 points1 point ago

Well she's gotta have an opinion!!!

[–]vahntitrio 0 points1 point ago

Somebody post the clip of the SUV hitting a buckled road (I94 near Way Claire from earlier this summer). Now there is a bump sign to head warning of.

[–]I_HaveAHat 0 points1 point ago

So a friend of mine linked this to his facebook page. For shame reddit

[–]curzon176 0 points1 point ago

That look on John Travolta's face is priceless.

[–]Kiyokami 0 points1 point ago

I watched Pulp Fiction and then Inglorious Basterds. I thought PF was alright, but I really liked IB.

[–]hattedhater 0 points1 point ago

second best line in Pulp Fiction... right after Marcellus saying "Mother fucker" in the crosswalk

[–]randomlightbulbs 0 points1 point ago

i want to watch this but its not on netflix. what the fuck netflix

[–]once_in_a_greenmoon 0 points1 point ago

There's...brain everywhere. It's time to call 'The Wolf'....

[–]Mr_Winston_Wolf 0 points1 point ago

That's 30 minutes away. I'll be there in ten.

[–]VolleyVinyl 0 points1 point ago

Shit, nigga, that's all you had to say.

[–]Spiff69 -1 points0 points ago

Please tell me there aren't really people who think that Pulp Fiction sucks. I can't laugh at the post, because I'm so upset at the idea.

[–]SensibleMadness 17 points18 points ago

It's a Tarantino film, and Tarantino films have a very definite style to them that some people find distasteful. If you don't like Tarantino's style, you won't like Pulp Fiction. Personally, I thought the movie was good, but I don't consider it a masterpiece like a lot of people seem to.

[–]tjenator 16 points17 points ago

Maybe I didn't get it, but I thought it wasn't very good.

[–]But-ThenThatMeans 2 points3 points ago

Hey, let's downvote this guy. He doesn't enjoy the same movies as me.

[–]ABabyAteMyDingo 2 points3 points ago

By the same logic, he shouldn't get upvotes either.

[–]But-ThenThatMeans 0 points1 point ago

"If you think something contributes to conversation, upvote it. If you think it does not contribute to reddit or is off-topic in a particular community, downvote it." - Reddiquette

[–]ABabyAteMyDingo 0 points1 point ago

That's nice. But we all know that votes up and down are often popularity votes, particularly when the context is about people's opinions on something, as it is here. Knowing people's feelings on a topic can be perfectly legit and interesting.

[–]eastsideski 5 points6 points ago

I though it was very well made and had some really great scenes, but as a whole film, it didn't have a very good plot

[–]blossomToe 8 points9 points ago

It sucks. Sorry.

[–]Ted417 9 points10 points ago

-bang-

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points ago

It's fucking stupid, John Travolta gets shot with an uzi in the bathroom, but then at the end he is getting breakfast with Samuel Jacksonn with NO EXPLANAtION!

[–]Spiff69 1 point2 points ago

Sarcasm? I hope?...

[–]shrlock 0 points1 point ago

The movie is not in chronological order.

[–]AaronJ96 0 points1 point ago

Because. The diner is after the body cleanup. John Travolta after that. It doesn't matter that it was shown earlier in the movie he was shot after the diner scene.

[–]el_loco_avs 0 points1 point ago

Used to freaking LOVE it. But I'm afraid it seems to not be aging that well for some reason. Or I just burned out watching it too much.

[–]sphigel 0 points1 point ago

I don't like Pulp Fiction or most of Tarantino's films for that matter.

[–]BroxiBoy2 0 points1 point ago

Now that's a knock knock joke!

[–]Erik02 0 points1 point ago

I've been looking at to much Batman stuff lately. I see the bat symbol in the blood stain :-/

[–]RHodeidra 0 points1 point ago

O God. O sweet God how did no one else make this before now ? 'tis magnificent !!!

[–]CageHN 0 points1 point ago

From what movie are these scenes from?

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points ago

I must be the only one who thought it sucked.

Oh well. Slay my karma, hivemind of reddit.

[–]DTX120 -1 points0 points ago

This is exactly what will happen if you voice this opinion on r/movies. I'm being downvoted right now for saying Pulp Fiction is both good and important, but overrated.