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Sorry if my atheism offends you, but... (imgur.com)

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[–]FrisianDude 20 points21 points ago

This font offends me.

[–]Nougat 9 points10 points ago

Hard to pin down this quote. There are a lot of unsourced attributions out there.

Weird thing, apparently this guy was big in transhumanism, and disappeared in March 2012, although it's known that he went willingly into Canada, and his family believes him to be safe.

[–]reese_ridley 7 points8 points ago

murdering of albinos? lol, never heard that one before

[–]rasputine 7 points8 points ago

Certain African superstitions believe their body parts poses magical properties. They murder and mutilate albinos for use as reagents in magical ceremonies.

They also believe they are evil magic users, I think, but I can't clearly recall the details here.

[–]pokie6 8 points9 points ago

Is there solid evidence to suggest that there will be less violent fanatics without religion? I lived most of my life in Russia and it was pretty violent even though most people weren't religious.

[–]squigs 7 points8 points ago

Yeah, It's a well known fact that religious people don't find any of that at all offensive. In fact that's what they do every Sunday.

[–]sorryjzargo 1 point2 points ago

That wasn't religion, that was just insane people trying to take advantage of other people's religion for their own personal gain.

[–]Curtman1 7 points8 points ago

Even if all religion is abolished and everyone in the world is an atheist humans are still going to start wars and commit atrocities.

[–]ImNoScientician 4 points5 points ago

Even if all guns were abolished, people would still spit bullets at each other as hard as they could.

[–]DaystarEld 4 points5 points ago

That's like saying "Even if racism is completely wiped out and everyone in the world is no longer prejudiced, humans are still going to start wars and commit atrocities."

Doesn't mean we shouldn't try to remove extra factors and causes.

[–]Consequence6 -3 points-2 points ago

Religion is a mean of justifying a war. The crusades weren't about religion, that's just what they wrote in the history books.

[–]DaystarEld 2 points3 points ago

And you know this because you were there? Or did you write the history books?

This argument is so tired and old, it's ridiculous that it keeps getting brought up.

1) Your grasp of history seems very shaky: there were quite a lot of crusades, and some of them most assuredly were about religion. Seriously: look it up. It's not hard. I'll give you a starting place: the Albigensian Crusade.

2) Even granting you that maybe the people AT THE TOP were initiating the crusades for political or personal reasons, they still convinced their people on the ground to fight for religious reasons. Which means it was a religious war. If you think they would have fought even without the religious lies their leaders told them, then why would they have needed to lie in the first place?

I want to live in a world where "God wills it" is never an accepted reason to kill anyone, ever. Saying "Religions don't actually cause people to kill eachother" is not only ignorant, but counterproductive to that goal by misdirecting true scrutiny of the issue.

[–]Consequence6 -4 points-3 points ago

Lmfao. I made a small comment and you suddenly know that I don't have a grasp on history, and that i know nothing about the Crusades. But, despite that, you say that the people at the top probably did have political motivations. When someone starts a war for political reasons, it's a political war. Even if they convince all the people below them that it's for God, that doesn't make it because of religion. That makes religion the mean for justifying a war. (see original comment)

[–]DaystarEld 1 point2 points ago

I said your grasp seems shaky. Defensive, much? For good reason it seems, if you bring up such a terrible argument.

Sorry, but you don't get to overwrite what other people's motivations are for your own agenda. When you ask someone "Why are you fighting this war," and they say "For god," then that person is killing for religion, regardless of what their generals or kings or popes motivation is.

If the vast majority of people fighting in the conflict are fighting for religious reasons, it's a religious war. You don't get to redefine "religious war" because some asshole at the top is manipulating people in politically advantageous ways: it just makes him a jerk who used people's religious beliefs to his advantage.

Guess what? That still means that people killed eachother because they believed God wanted them to. Which supports the idea that religion isn't just nonsense, but DANGEROUS nonsense, because politicians can use it to convince people to go to war.

[–]Consequence6 -3 points-2 points ago

You said that my grasp seemed shaky AFTER being a condescending and snarky asshole. Remember that part?

When a war is started because a king assassinates another king, that's a political war. When the people who are fighting the war say "It's because these people believe in X god and I believe in Y" but they're actually fighting because their king was assassinated, that's still a political war. You don't get to redefine "Political war" because all the stupid little people at the bottom are fighting: It just makes them stupid.

Guess what? That means that people killed each other because someone told them to and they believed it was a message from god. This supports the idea that people aren't just stupid, but dangerous and stupid, because politicians can use them to fight their war. See how bad your argument is when it can literally be turned against you?

[–]DaystarEld 1 point2 points ago

Condescending? Snarky? I pointed out how baseless your contention was. Sorry, you don't get to toss bullshit around and then have people bow and scrape as they politely point out the logical errors in your arguments. Maybe think before you speak, and you won't have to worry about getting your feelings hurt when someone points out your idiocy... and then act like I'm personally attacking you for calling out what you thoughtlessly did in the first place.

No, I don't see that, sorry: you didn't turn my argument against me. In fact you didn't do anything at all with my argument. You completely ignored my argument, in fact, instead of countering it, I suspect because you can't figure out how to. (again: Albigensian Crusade. Still no word on that?)

Instead you replaced a few words in what I said, then went off on a tangent about how people are stupid, fucked the principle of "cause and effect" all to hell, and then tried to tie it all together with "people are dangerous and stupid," which not only doesn't make any headway in EITHER direction in the argument (was never a contention, let alone challenged one way or the other), but is in fact a pathetic attempt at derailing the conversation from politics vs religion in a way that allows you to redirect any argument in however a way makes you look the least bad.

In other words, you're proving yourself as both uninformed AND a terrible debater, and I advise you to brush up on basic logic and reasoning skills before you even research any other issues for debate.

You don't get to just rebrand history however suits your narrative. I know that might be hard for you to understand, but here's a helpful hint: If you can't do it to someone living (ie, put words in their mouth) without them getting upset, you shouldn't do it to people who can't even defend themselves from pseudo-historians like you, who don't care about what people SAY their reasons for doing things are, but rather what YOU think THEY are ACTUALLY doing them for.

There: now I'm being a condescending and snarky asshole. Engage victimization defense in 5... 4.... 3...

[–]Consequence6 -3 points-2 points ago

Pointed out how baseless it was? How did you know it was baseless? I literally said a small comment, and you instantly assume that I am not educated on the topic, not giving me any benefit of doubt, instantly assuming that you were correct. Maybe you should actually learn more about what the person was saying before you attack him next time. At this point, what I was originally saying is completely out the window, as you were a snarky asshole and assumed you knew everything about what I was saying.

If you do not see how my last post had multiple valid points about how your argument was completely without fact and baseless, for lack of a better word, then I'm actually sorry that I attempted to converse with you, I can see my words have been wasted.

And if I don't get to rebrand history (if that's what you want to call it..) Then you don't either. You're not allowed saying that these are incorrect because you weren't there either, nor did you write the history books, I'm assuming this is correct, of course.

Protip: over half that wall of text that I barely skimmed was an attack on me. If you have a legitimate point (I assume one's buried under that somewhere) then attacking the other person just makes you look foolish and unfounded. The biggest burn you could have done here is instantly countered my argument with facts, not attacks and meaningless arguments that aren't even on topic.

[–]DaystarEld 0 points1 point ago

Protip: over half that wall of text that I barely skimmed was an attack on me. If you have a legitimate point (I assume one's buried under that somewhere) then attacking the other person just makes you look foolish and unfounded. The biggest burn you could have done here is instantly countered my argument with facts, not attacks and meaningless arguments that aren't even on topic.

The irony and falseness of this statement is so amazing, I'm going to just assume you're a troll and end this now. Have a nice life.

[–]Koilette -2 points-1 points ago

Atheism is a mean of justifying of being an asshole.

[–]Consequence6 0 points1 point ago

Not an Atheist.

[–]superpastaaisle -3 points-2 points ago

"The great thing about logic is that on r/atheism, you can downvote it if it doesn't agree with your viewpoint." - Charles Darwin

[–]BryAallDay 2 points3 points ago

NEIL DEGRASSE TYSON IS MY HERO RIGHT GUYS KARMA CHRISTIANS ARE IDIOTS!!!!

[–]winto_bungle 1 point2 points ago

Ah, the old 'murdering an albino' trick. The old ones are the best.

[–]Swiss_Cheese9797 0 points1 point ago

Oh god.... the typography

[–]GillesDeGeus 0 points1 point ago

Where's the inspirational background picture?

[–]Haz_Matt 0 points1 point ago

I feel mutilated. :(

[–]rjw999 0 points1 point ago

Get over it! If you don't believe , fine, just stop trying to justify your beliefs.are you trying to convince yourself? Because thar's what it sounds like!

[–]prajnadhyana 0 points1 point ago

I'm not sorry if my atheism offends someone. Fuck em.

[–]pitchinloafs 0 points1 point ago

TIL what pederasty is.

[–]KitchenBomber 0 points1 point ago

Edited by a Creationist or Fox: ... reason and science offends me. -Mike Treder

[–]dementor561 0 points1 point ago

Downvote for repost

[–]YGZOIM 0 points1 point ago

Your atheism doesn't offend me. It's none of my business.

Simply put, I have no reason to care about your atheism. Do whatever the fuck you want.

[–]slickmasterizzy 0 points1 point ago

hurts my eeyeeeees

[–]guardgirlx3 -4 points-3 points ago

Me (Christian): So I can't go shopping with you on saturday, I have a meeting with my church group...

Atheist friend: CHURCH?!?! Hahahah, you're deluding yourself into ignoring logic and reason and science. Religion is like wearing blinders. You seriously believe that a magical flying guy made the Earth?

Me: Stop.

Atheist friend: Oh, my atheism offends you? Well you offend me when you personally murdered gay people and mutilated my genitals. Stop rejecting science!

This conversation has happened, I shit you not. This is what you sound like when you use this argument.

[–]benk4 5 points6 points ago

Some people are assholes. The opposite conversation happens as well. People need to lighten up and stop being offended in general.

[–]winto_bungle 3 points4 points ago

You just need better friends.

The argument in the OP works perfectly in the right situations, your friend is just a moron.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points ago

There are people like that who are Christian and Catholic and other teligions too. Just because we have obnoxious people doesn't you don't either.

[–]DaystarEld 0 points1 point ago

Yeah, that sounds exactly how people talk all the time.

So this friend... didn't know you were Christian? This is the first time he discovered it, when you told him you couldn't go shopping with him?

And he chose this moment to shotgun a variety of atheist bullet points at you? Does he do this regularly? If so, he doesn't sound like much of a friend, let alone one you would bring up your church-going activities with.

I'm not saying it's literally impossible for such a conversation to have taken place as you described... I just find it hilariously unlikely.

[–]Bojamijams -1 points0 points ago

to be fair, you are an idiot for ignoring logic, reason, and science... so you kinda had it coming.

[–]squigs 1 point2 points ago

He said he was meeting with his church group.

It seems a reasonable expectation that this will happen, assuming he'd met up with them before, so it's not really ignoring logic, reason or science.

[–]rasputine -1 points0 points ago

If I were to tell you that I was meeting with my Cthulhu Summoning group, you would laugh and assume I was joking.

Or playing a board game.

[–]guardgirlx3 0 points1 point ago

But it's not a "religious" thing in the sense that we're reading the Bible and praying. Group = volunteer stuff where I live.

[–]rasputine 0 points1 point ago

Then why call it a religious thing? (Re: church group) Again, I would find it just as ridiculous as someone saying they were doing what you described with their Cthulhu Summoning group.

[–]WilsonPalacios 0 points1 point ago

Clearly you are not familiar with what churches are and what they do

[–]guardgirlx3 0 points1 point ago

Also, church groups aren't always "actively" worshipping, and the person from the conversation was aware of that. Cthulhu summoning is "active" in that sense. And churches are way more common, so it's more "normal" for someone to go to one than for someone to go to a fringe group.

[–]Frank_JWilson -2 points-1 points ago

Congratulations, you are part of the problem.

[–]guardgirlx3 0 points1 point ago

It's not like we were talking about religion and beliefs, I brought up a tangentially related topic in conversation.

[–]rasputine 0 points1 point ago

Things that didn't happen as depicted:

  • This
  • Everything in the bible
  • Most elections

[–]thisbaseball17 -1 points0 points ago

Be very careful not to pin some of these beliefs and actions on religions that don't teach or do any of this. Be mindful that each religious denomination has it's own doctrine and belief system, and each person inside their religion has their own independent belief system that may not concur completely with the religion they follow.

[–]drsingerx 0 points1 point ago

"I'm sorry my Christianity offends you, but try not to shove your beliefs down my throat and I'll return the favor." - anonymous

Man, don't you guys just hate these types of people, those who just want to go about their lives in peace, regardless of religious belief or disbelief? I mean, I wish I could express my atheism as much as Mr. Treder here.

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