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[–]bettorworse 12 points13 points ago

We're going to need a bigger stick!

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[–]Phyltre 11 points12 points ago

This has always surprised me every time I see it. If a tiger can get you from on top of an elephant, the only reason humans could have survived as a species around them in prehistory is there just weren't enough tigers to eat everyone.

[–]silly_walks_ 11 points12 points ago

Human beings are badass.

[–]Brandon01524Green green trees -5 points-4 points ago

this is bull shit. Those lions probably had whole families that were killed by poachers so of course they're scared of humans now. Go back a couple hundred years and all of those people would have been attacked viciously by FIFTEEN well trained and strong huntresses along with a very powerful alpha male. They just know better now than to mess with someone who might have a gun.

[–]cberra88Shroom initiate 7 points8 points ago

While I semi agree with you, we must have done something right to survive though.

[–]Brandon01524Green green trees 0 points1 point ago

yeah, we multiplied faster, ate berries, and stayed the fuck away from lions and tigers.

[–]cberra88Shroom initiate 9 points10 points ago

Multiplied faster? This is not true in the slightest, human birth is a very difficult experience, leaving many mom's dead and newborns dead. It wasn't until modern medicine that our populations began to go up exponentially. So in prehistoric sense, no we did not multiply faster.

Berries didn't do anything for us, if you take an anthropology class you will realize there is a common trend among brain size and when humans first started to eat meat. Meat, we had to obtain in some way.

And yeah we probably did stay away from them, but considering we both needed to hunt for meat, I'd say we didn't stay to far.

*Edit grammar

[–]Brandon01524Green green trees -4 points-3 points ago

alright, but lions are at the top of the food chain. Their population remains in check by the food they are given to eat. Humans, being omnivorous, are allowed to outgrow many food sources, seeing as how they can eat almost anything on this planet. So we multiplied faster than the other groups of animals. Idk about the meat thing and whether it's true or not, but being a chef, and having taken many nutritional and history classes all that revolve around food, I can safely say that red meat, does not have to be part of anyone's diet. Now back in the times of hunters and gatherers, and even for the very few hunters and gatherers that are around today, the working schedule for them was down to about 16 hours a week. They picked many wild berries along with other wild fruits and vegetables and caught fish and occasionally, hunted those gazelles that were in competition between them and other hunters. Those other hunters, probably killed quite a few humans while this was done, allowing them to adapt. One known fact is that a fire will keep away most predators in the animal kingdom, so a large fire at night kept people safe as well as knowing where the nests of those animals were. Idk what you were trying to get at, but make sure you don't take statements too literally the next time you want to challenge someone to a battle of knowledge ya gabronie

[–]cberra88Shroom initiate 0 points1 point ago

You state you're unsure about the meat and human brain sizes, I would do a quick google search upon the topic, in which case you'll come up with this.

  1. Harvard Gazette

  2. NPR

Take some anthropology classes. Berries and fruits don't hold enough nutritional value to supply a tribe or a bunch of wanders. Especially if what you say is correct about the 16 hours a week. That'd be a lot of picking in a short amount of time.

A battle of knowledge, yet you don't even know one of the topics I talked about.

[–]Brandon01524Green green trees 0 points1 point ago

Those were very interesting articles. I had never heard of this theory before. Please, allow me to reflect a bit. "ETH has theoretical competitors explaining the evolution of bigger brain size.For one, some scientists say that walking upright — “bipedalism” — is the most important way to support larger brain size." "'terrestriality,' the movement of early hominids from canopied forests — rich in lower-calorie foods — to savannahs, where small game, carrion, and insects supplemented a plant-based diet." I enjoy this statement because it explains how we didn't have to compete with lions. We just got small animals and the leftovers of whatever a lion ate. The other article stated that this is why we had the same bacteria as hyenas. "meat eating “made it possible for humans to evolve a larger brain size,” said Aiello. Early human ancestors probably consumed more animal foods — termites and small mammals – " "Our human ancestors were not wholly carnivores — “that would be silly,” said Aiello, who does not argue that meat-eating caused bigger brains — just that it made bigger brains possible." Now that's all about why we didn't have to compete with lions. Here's the part about why we don't even need meat. And since the hunters found it hard to get lots of meat, they shared it with large groups, increasing social activity which is a huge contribution to human evolution as well, but it also means that they ate it sparingly, living off of a lot of raw vegetables. "Our earliest ancestors ate their food raw -- fruit, leaves, maybe some nuts. When they ventured down onto land, they added things like underground tubers, roots and berries" Then there's this whole thing about cooking which also contributes to human evolution because we started to differentiate from animals immensely by using tools, and those big brains that we were growing so fond of. "It's not as if raw food isn't nutritious; it's just harder for the body to get at the nutrition." "starchy foods like turnips, cooking gelatinizes the tough starch granules and makes them easier to digest too. Even just softening food -- which cooking does -- makes it more digestible. In the end, you get more energy out of the food." So what's argued is that cooking might have led to our human evolution. In part of eating meats, but these were meats that lions didn't bother with. Which if you can even remember at this point is what I was arguing about in the first place when I said "stayed the fuck away from lions and tigers." Now for the human body not needing red meat. I don't even feel like arguing about it because I know it's true but you said I should take some anthropology classes to see that I would need it. But then there's th main anthropologist from the second article that you cited WHO IS A VEGETARIAN. "As I cut into my steak (Wrangham is a vegetarian; he settles for the mango and potatoes)" So thanks you for sharing that information with me. I really learned a lot and it really helped me prove that I was fucking right the whole time.

[–]a4moondoggyHappy trees 3 points4 points ago

that's not how it works. wild lions wouldn't know if they had a gun. If the men had large guns but acted timid or out of sync the lions would have charged. The lions were driven back by the scavengers confidence. In nature the confident animal is that because of millennia of being on top and knowing it can kill because it's in the genes. Some animals teach hunting techniques but the urge to kill and survive a certain way comes naturally. Those hunters walking up to the lions is equivalent in size to a puppy standing up to a great white shark. Humans being so damn witty can bypass this by acting confident. This only works with intelligent mammals though...as they are expecting the lions to act rationally. If those lions were all sharks or mutant spiders...not so much

[–]Brandon01524Green green trees -1 points0 points ago

Okay, but my point is that after generations of seeing what the human can do to the lion packs, these lions acted rationally accordingly. Of course the humans had to act confident, in order for this too work. The narrator himself said that they had to gtfo before that pack caught on to their bluff.

[–]MilkT -1 points0 points ago

Humans are evil :/

[–]Brandon01524Green green trees 0 points1 point ago

Yes. Yes they can be.

[–]themaskedugly 2 points3 points ago

Nature is self regulating, it keeps its self in a balanced equilibrium. If there are too many tigers killing their prey, most of the tigers starve, letting the prey flourish, until all the tigers that are alive can eat healthily.

As a general rule, the higher in the food chain, the fewer there are. Hence their are many many insects, many insect eating birds, and only a few bird eating birds. (also bird eating spiders, but fuck them)

[–]mrjderpJungle love 6 points7 points ago

Or we were much better hunters/runners/fighters before we got fat and lazy...

[–]funfungiguy 5 points6 points ago

Neanderthals were alive at the same time as homo sapiens recent fossil evidence shows. We didn't evolve from neanderthals, we were more like cousins.

Neanderthals were these big burly crazy fucks akin to the jocks of the bipeds, that survived well for a long time because the ice ages localized big ass animals to specific grazing and hunting areas and they were crazy and strong and would punch a mammoth in the face together. Dangerous business.

Homo Sapiens, on the other hand weren't faring so well and were like the weird skinny kids that eat glue at school for a while, but after the ice age ended animals had the ability to spread out and graze elsewhere and the Neanderthal jocks were screwed because the animals were too spread out. Meanwhile weird skilly glue eater kid can run like a sonofabitch, and we would literally run animals down until they couldn't run anymore.

For a long time we thought it was a lost skill because we got fat and lazy and dependent on machines and technology, but there was actually a documented case where anthropologists did find a group of nomads that still hunted this way in Africa running gazelles to death and stuff.

[–]mrjderpJungle love 0 points1 point ago

anthropologists did find a group of nomads that still hunted this way in Africa running gazelles to death and stuff.

Because they didn't get fat and lazy.

[–]a4moondoggyHappy trees 0 points1 point ago

Humans have never been better in 2 million years of evolving than they are at this exact moment. Unless you don't believe in evolution then nevermind.

[–]Aegi 0 points1 point ago

Not true actually if you really believe in evolution. Although this is the case for our species now, this isn't necessarily true always.

[–]mrjderpJungle love 0 points1 point ago

Better fitted for our environment, yes; But that is not to say better than we were at some things (such as tracking)

[–]shaggy1265 -2 points-1 points ago

I don't think we were ever better runners but I can agree to the rest.

[–]mrjderpJungle love 3 points4 points ago

Not faster than, no; But humans are made for long distance running.

[–]shaggy1265 0 points1 point ago

Good point.

[–]JmjFu 2 points3 points ago

We probably were as a species, because that was how humans hunted. Having the ability to sweat makes humans the best distance runners on the planet. Humans aren't the strongest, fastest or toughest, but we're the smartest. We just chased our prey to extinction, then killed them with stones or spears or whatever else we had to hand.

I agree with you though on your original point: I don't think there has even been as fine a sprinter as Usain Bolt, or as fine a distance runner as Patrick Makau.

[–]shaggy1265 0 points1 point ago

I was thinking more along the lines of speed, wasn't really thinking about distance.

[–]JmjFu 1 point2 points ago

Well, there are plenty of predators that can run faster than a human, but few indeed that can run for longer.

[–]FriesWithThat 0 points1 point ago

Which is helpful when you're given a 1-hour advanced notice of Tiger attack.

[–]JmjFu 0 points1 point ago

I don't see why tigers would have any beef with humans. If I saw a tiger, I would start running in the opposite direction straight away.

I suppose my ancestors would have had bows or spears or javelins with which to fight it anyway.

[–]FriesWithThat 0 points1 point ago

I don't see why tigers would have any beef with humans.

Poachers?

[–]DudeImMacGuyver 0 points1 point ago

The key advantage in running was being able to cover long distances. We were never even remotely close to being fast runners.

[–]swizzcheez 0 points1 point ago

Or we just aren't that tasty compared to other tiger-oriented cuisine.

[–]DudeImMacGuyver 0 points1 point ago

We make tools and have complex communication, allowing us to do things like making a coordinated strike using advanced technology. Pit any competent group of humans against any other predator and the humans are almost guaranteed to come out on top. Despite our lack of strength and innate weaponry, we are the apex predator.

[–]khaosdragon 2 points3 points ago

Repost of a repost of repost, but still a good one. Smart cat. "Fuck the elephant, I'm going for the brown dude with the fishing rod. What an asshole."

[–]blicketyblam 3 points4 points ago

Saw this on a documentary a few months back, that dude ended up losing a few fingers.

[–]plain_name 4 points5 points ago

I wanted to punch my monitor after it kept cutting away from the money shot.

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[–]CuteMotherfucker 1 point2 points ago

I do. Please post it.

[–]Pragnostic 1 point2 points ago

Yeah the guy received deep lacerations to the thigh.

[–]KellyCommaRoy 15 points16 points ago

And one pair of shitted pants.

[–]shaggy1265 1 point2 points ago

I hope he saved the receipt.

[–]ConspiracyNutt 1 point2 points ago

so, when i use the sticks to play with my cat... it acts in a very similar way... only its smaller so i dont lose fingers.

[–]a4moondoggyHappy trees 0 points1 point ago

no kidding! comparing a tiger to a house cat is like comparing an mma fighter that weighs 10,000 lbs to a 200lb average person.

[–]Komshiya 1 point2 points ago

Dat leap.

[–]mrb91 0 points1 point ago

He blew his wad on the swing a little early.

[–]ShitsandGigs 0 points1 point ago

Look at the power in that left swipe.

[–]yomology 0 points1 point ago

Woahdude...

[–]Ferrarisimo -1 points0 points ago

Fuck poachers.

[–]a4moondoggyHappy trees 0 points1 point ago

Pretty sure he wasn't a poacher

[–]Ferrarisimo -1 points0 points ago

Indeed. He was a ranger:

http://tkcollier.wordpress.com/2007/07/06/tiger-attack-video-story/

That said, my statement stands. Fuck poachers.