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Winston Churchill. 1895 (i.imgur.com)

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[–]apple_kicks 20 points21 points ago

Nancy Astor: “Sir, if you were my husband, I would give you poison.” Churchill: “If I were your husband I would take it.”

[–]GeorgeForemanGrillz 2 points3 points ago

Fucking tyrant.

[–]Epiicuros 0 points1 point ago

Don't know enough about him to make an argument but people seem to be on polar extremes in the comments.

[–]thebabes2 2 points3 points ago

Ooooh, he was a stud (and a kickass leader).

[–][deleted] 11 points12 points ago

Fuck that guy was good as giving speeches.

[–]tomonline 10 points11 points ago

also pretty good at saving western civilization.

[–]lacosaes0 8 points9 points ago

Serious question: if The Axis had won the war, why would it have been the end of western civilization?

[–]rasputine 0 points1 point ago

Pretty close to, European economy would have floored out pretty quick, Hitler was invading (one reason, anyways) to shore up Germany's economy, which was unsustainable at the time. The genocide of jews, gays, cripples, mentally handicapped, gypsies et al would have continued unabated.

Nazi Germany would have been the first nation on the earth to have a nuclear arsenal and intercontinental ballistic missiles. China, Korea and most of the pacific would have been under Imperial Japan, who was racist to an extreme not even Hitler could match.

Italy under Mussolini, Spain under Franco, most of Africa under Hitler.

We may have never sent men to the moon, due to no Cold War, or we may have a more massive space presence, due to unified goals and earlier mastery of rocketry.

It would be a very, very different world if they'd won. The global powers would been German, Japanese and possibly American, if they managed to withdraw sufficient troops and naval forces, but Hawaii would be lost, and Germany in control of Russia would have had staging close enough to bombard north america with rockets.

Western Civilization as we know it would have been seriously hindered, but no, I don't think it would have been destroyed. Just corrupted.

[–]ambiguousallegiance 1 point2 points ago

Didn't we have Spain under Franco anyway?

[–]rasputine 0 points1 point ago

Yes, but without nearby support from other fascists he was overthrown pretty quick.

[–]lmc2179 1 point2 points ago

Yep - without help from his buddies, he lasted but a mere thirty years after the end of the war. Really dodged a bullet there.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francisco_Franco

[–]rasputine 0 points1 point ago

Which was decades faster than the other extremist political dictators who didn't lose the war, Like the soviets.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points ago

Germany could have never won. The more I read about their economic, strategic and logistic issues (never mind their civil policy), the more I am convinced that they could never have won.

[–]carlio 1 point2 points ago

He's definitely in the top 10

[–]ruminating -4 points-3 points ago

From who, the Germans or brown people?

[–]AngryData 5 points6 points ago

So was Hitler.

[–]skullybones 0 points1 point ago

"Fear nothing but temptation itself and deliver us from evil. Amen."

-Winston Churchill

[–]beerme72 18 points19 points ago

He lived a life that encompassed one of the last Cavalry charges to the Nuclear age.
And he loved a good Cigar.
I know I'm probably in the minority here, but I think the world needs MORE Churchill's. If only for the wit.

[–]rasputine 9 points10 points ago

Sir, you are drunk.

And you, madam, are ugly, but I shall be sober in the morning.

[–]Kaiburr 13 points14 points ago

I know I'm probably in the minority here, but I think the world needs MORE Churchill's.

So brave.

[–]iNVWSSV 3 points4 points ago

you know what's so brave? writing "so brave" as a response.

[–]HelmsDeep 2 points3 points ago

so brave

[–]EyeOfAugra[S] 5 points6 points ago

I agree. I fear we shall not look upon his like again.

[–]ruminating 15 points16 points ago

"I do not agree that the dog in a manger has the final right to the manger even though he may have lain there for a very long time. I do not admit that right. I do not admit for instance, that a great wrong has been done to the Red Indians of America or the black people of Australia. I do not admit that a wrong has been done to these people by the fact that a stronger race, a higher-grade race, a more worldly wise race to put it that way, has come in and taken their place," -Winston Churchill

Don't worry, they're around here somewhere.

[–]jms3r 6 points7 points ago

I think it's widely known that one of his major driving forces during the war was his admiration for "old britain" and the british way, racism is hardly a long stretch from there

[–]AintGettinDatKarma 5 points6 points ago

This was imperial age Europe, suggesting that anyone with Brown skin was even remotely equal to white people was political suicide.

Heck, even when they allied themselves with lesser races, they just took over their countries once the war was done (as was the case with the Arab revolt).

[–]chiropter 2 points3 points ago

I mean, it would suck if some advanced aliens had the same viewpoint about Earth. Clearly Churchill's culture was not evolving to continue on that track, but Hitler's was. /watchingFallingSkies

[–]Riotmaster0 1 point2 points ago

Well, if not more Churchill-esque figures, I'll settle for more badass uniforms.

[–]BeatlesForSale 2 points3 points ago

The uniform he's wearing is very similar to some of the dress uniforms of Britain's army today.

[–]jamierc 3 points4 points ago

The world needs a bit less privilege to be honest.

[–]beerme72 1 point2 points ago

Winny grew up in a time when even if you were privileged, you still had to show you had SOMETHING.
He separated himself from the pack by doing just that.
I can never, however, forgive his fixation with invading southern Europe.
Both Galipoli and the Italian Campaign were horrible wastes of men and material.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points ago

The southern campaigns were strategically viable, however they were managed horribly in terms of an operational capacity. Churchill never oversaw in an operational capacity. The application of pressure on a third front would have severely damaged Austria's availability of troops. And Churchill never advocated an invasion of Italy. Everyone seems to have forgotten that Italy fought on the side of the entente and lost almost half a million soldiers in the war against Austria...

[–]beerme72 2 points3 points ago

He held his fixation with the 'soft underbelly' of Europe well beyond World War II.
He felt that (and I think it's because he was mentally stuck in the romanticism of the Greek and Roman Eras) to the Mediterranean being the key to controlling Europe.
I'm in no way a professional Historian, but I've read his books and I think that was his mind set.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points ago

Brittan had massive commitments in the Mediterranean. During the early 1900s they saw the Suez Canal and Gibraltar as strategically important to their economic flow. They saw it as the 'soft underbelly' as there was no great power there; asides from Austro-Hungry who had a tenuous hold on the balkans. But my point before was that Churchill shouldn't have the disaster at Gallipoli pinned on him. It was an operational failure that caused the strategic failure. The actual projected campaign was apparently sound. Also, were you talking about the WW2 Italian campaign?

[–]beerme72 1 point2 points ago

I think (reading what I have about Winnies thoughts on WW I and WW II) that he didn't see much difference between the two wars. And I know that I'm 'pinning it' on him, but truth be told, he was in charge and pushed it through.
I don't think the Italian Campaign of WW II was necessary as it only delayed Operation Overlord.
I think (and again, I'm no Pro Historian, this is just ME reading HIS books (and a few others)) that after Sicily, there was no reason to invade Italy Proper.
It only tied up Armies and men that could have been used better elsewhere.
And I know this sounds like I'm look through hind-sight....but He had the evidence before him even then and felt that it simply HAD to happen. When it really didn't.
I'm not saying this to say anything negative about YOU or your opinion. I hold your opinion as valid as mine on the internet.
BUT, my main point about Winny being an amazing figure in World history...from Alexander the Great through to (for good or ill) Hitler. He was an amazing person. And we need more of him. In my HUMBLE opinion, of course.

[–]Scrivener08 2 points3 points ago

Gallipoli was a genius strategic move. If they had pulled it off and exploited it, the war would have been won in 1915. Alas, prior to WWI Britain did not believe amphibious operations required specialized, trained amphibious troops.

[–]beerme72 1 point2 points ago

If he was a good Military leader, he would have realized what his Admirals and Generals were telling him...or at least hinting at. Which was that an amphibious assault that size was impracticable at that time.

[–]EyeOfAugra[S] 8 points9 points ago

Nobody commands a crowd like FDR or Churchill anymore. Nobody worthwhile, anyway.

[–]Jenksz 21 points22 points ago

Kim Jong Un?

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points ago

All glory unto his mighty name!

[–]ruminating 0 points1 point ago

I wonder if he is above pooping, as his father was.

[–]Mackinstyle 1 point2 points ago

Trudeau did but he's also dead... just a bit more recent than them.

[–]Franklin-D-Roosevelt 1 point2 points ago

BROS FOR LIFE!

[–]fakERussian 5 points6 points ago

This belongs in /r/oldschoolcool!

[–]eroverton 1 point2 points ago

And maybe /r/historyporn

[–]Kalean 3 points4 points ago

Came here to say something stupid - Tobey Maguire looks strikingly similar.

Stupid Status: Affirmative.

[–]laughtrey 3 points4 points ago

You know you're cool when you got a bunch of ropes and ties and SHIT all over you!

[–]BeatlesForSale 2 points3 points ago

My mother said when she was in the RAF everyone used to call it "scrambled egg"

[–]vickyh272 0 points1 point ago

same picture, in color and then a deep-zoom of Churchill made of photos of Churchill http://1940.iwm.org.uk/?page_id=527

[–]redcomet0079 0 points1 point ago

I read the year as 1985 for some reason, then realised he's the spitting image of Thomas Turgoose, or the other way around.

[–]Late_Night_Grumbler 0 points1 point ago

He looks a little like Stephen Fry.

[–]oldschoolguy 0 points1 point ago

Bullshit! There's no cigar!

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point ago

If you squint he looks like a young Stephen Fry

[–]drepnir -4 points-3 points ago

Here he is as a child

[–]Ashleyartsy -5 points-4 points ago

Looks like Edmund from Narnia.

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