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This is 'group therapy' for some in San Quentin state prison (i.imgur.com)
submitted 2 months ago by distertastin
[–]zombeymonkie 1285 points1286 points1287 points 2 months ago
"Sometimes I just feel like I'm trapped, like I'm stuck in a cage."
"Okay Ronnie, it was funny the first time."
[–]Unidan 344 points345 points346 points 2 months ago
"Sometimes, despite this pent up feeling inside me, let's call it my 'rage', I just feel...deep down, that, I'm, hmm, how do I put this? A rodent, well, specifically a rat, I suppose, stuck in some sort of cage."
"Alright, alright, back to solitary, Mr. Sassy Pants."
[–][deleted] 103 points104 points105 points 2 months ago
Back to the fruit lab, you. These watermelons won't explain themselves.
[–]Unidan 225 points226 points227 points 2 months ago
But, but, I'm in the lab right now.
[–]fozzyfreakingbear 28 points29 points30 points 2 months ago
I love how the one book I can read in the picture just very all-inclusively says "science".
[–]Unidan 20 points21 points22 points 2 months ago
It's a catalog for scientists to order more science.
[–]iShavedMyFaceForThis 37 points38 points39 points 2 months ago
Treasure this time. One way or the other, there will come a day when you won't get to do it again.
[–]Unidan 46 points47 points48 points 2 months ago
Okey dokey.
[–]iShavedMyFaceForThis 17 points18 points19 points 2 months ago
I used to work in a lab. Loved it. Now, I break excel all day errrday. I'd take the paycut and go back if I could.
[–]Unidan 16 points17 points18 points 2 months ago
It's a grab bag, for sure.
I'm slapping Excel around right now, but the hours are long right now for little pay, like you said.
Today I worked from 7 AM until this second (10:53 PM).
[–]Kanye_Westicles 1 point2 points3 points 2 months ago
What the fuck did people do before excel?
[–]iShavedMyFaceForThis 2 points3 points4 points 2 months ago
They went home at 5 and didn't worry about it.
That or ABACUS.
As for what I did before excel? I enjoyed getting up in the morning.
[–]kodilynne 1 point2 points3 points 2 months ago
The same thing I do not using Excel.
[–]badgrafxghost 11 points12 points13 points 2 months ago
y'know, you don't hear enough "okey dokey" these days... I miss that.
kudos to you!
[–]Unidan 1 point2 points3 points 2 months ago
I try, you're very welcome!
[–]FUCK_BANANAS 7 points8 points9 points 2 months ago
Unidan at it again. You funny and always relevant bastard you.
I'm just a guy trying to make a living by weeping openly into a gas chromatograph, that's all.
Tear concentration: 0.943 ppm.
[–]mypantsareonmyhead 1 point2 points3 points 2 months ago
Shit. I was kinda hoping you weren't just intellectual and cool, but also had boobs and look hot.
[–]Unidan 4 points5 points6 points 2 months ago
Whoa, whoa, whoa, who says I don't?
[–]Oh_Zacharias 1 point2 points3 points 2 months ago
I understand some of those words.
But good on you, eh?
[–]Umidk 9 points10 points11 points 2 months ago
You are one of my favorite people on Reddit and your posts brighten my day because they're usually knowledgeable and exciting! That's kind of off-topic but I wanted you to know.
[–]Unidan 30 points31 points32 points 2 months ago
Thank you, that's extremely kind!
Due to popular demand, a few redditors urged me to make a website or something where they can access the stupid little tidbits that I spew forth, so if you liked those, feel free to check out the new creation that I have suddenly birthed into the world.
Here you go!
[–]aptadnauseum 1 point2 points3 points 2 months ago
Sweet. Go iron-toothed beavers!
[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 2 months ago
Think of all the science you're jeopardizing right now!
Feels good.
[–]ndw10325 32 points33 points34 points 2 months ago
How is it that even with your veiled reference to "bullet with butterfly wings" I still get the song stuck in my head?
Every time, despite all of my rage towards the Smashing Pumpkins for sucking live, when someone posts the lyrics to that song or even just references them in some way, the song gets stuck in my head. I don't even like the song.
And now, I don't like you, Unidan, I'm coming for you, and I will find you, and when I do, I'm going to give you something you don't like,
Something you'd never even imagine your worst enemy(who is now me) giving you...
A copy of "Mellon Collie and the Infinite Sadness" autographed by the entire band, but I'll have smudged the autographs to the point that it'll be unrecognizable, it'll be a legitimate autograph but it'll be completely worthless if you want to resell it and if you like the band, well, it's not like you have any proof that the autograph is legitimate and it's a cd you probably already have so I mean, what's the point? And the autograph, while smuged, will be on the shrink wrap, so you won't be able to open it without destroying the autograph, so in the event that you love the band but don't have the CD, you won't be able to listen to it without destroying the LEGITIMATE-BUT-TAMPERED-WITH-AUTOGRAPH.
It will be a completely useless item. You'll have nothing you can do with it.
HAHAHAHA, THE PLAN IS NOW IN MOTION, YOU CAN NOT HIDE FROM THIS DIABOLICAL PLOT. THE MOST INSIDIOUS ACT OF RAGE EVER PERPETRATED AGAINST YOU.
[–]Unidan 19 points20 points21 points 2 months ago
D:
[–]HoradricNoob 10 points11 points12 points 2 months ago
You know, someone will say what is lost can never be saved.
[–]LeonTrotsky_on_speed 4 points5 points6 points 2 months ago
Johnny Sassy Pants, convicted for the rape and murder of 32 children.
[–]Mrs_Brisby 5 points6 points7 points 2 months ago
Flutter....
[–]ChillyWillster 18 points19 points20 points 2 months ago
far side comics
[–]apextek 8 points9 points10 points 2 months ago
nicolas cage
[–]spazmodic- 21 points22 points23 points 2 months ago
The nicolas cage is a torture device that consists of a screen cage that is placed over and encloses the wearer's head. At the top of the cage, there is a funnel that is open to the inside of the nicolas cage. Bees are typically dumped into the funnel and fall down onto the user's head, becoming agitated. The bees apparently favour attacking the eyes of the person being tortured.
[–]IceCreamEatingMF 4 points5 points6 points 2 months ago
Some have questioned the effectiveness of this device, specifically its ability to bring back your honey
[–]undercoveruser 3 points4 points5 points 2 months ago
The bees apparently favour attacking the eyes of the person being tortured.
Still better than watching Ghost Rider.
[–]IAMGodAMA 22 points23 points24 points 2 months ago
DID YOU SAY, BEES?
[–]yodamaster103 11 points12 points13 points 2 months ago
GOB's not on board
[–]Scruge 4 points5 points6 points 2 months ago
i've always wondered what she really unveiled.
[–]EndOnAnyRoll 16 points17 points18 points 2 months ago
Wasps.
[–]TripperDay 6 points7 points8 points 2 months ago
I prefer not knowing. In my head, Oprah always released bees.
[–]NBAallstar 2 points3 points4 points 2 months ago
Pretty sure it was a car, and everyone was getting one.
[–]fightingpolyglotteam 2 points3 points4 points 2 months ago
They don't allow you to have bees in here.
[–]onesnowball 2 points3 points4 points 2 months ago
I've never seen that before. I had to watch it over and over again. Hilarious!
[–]cyberslick188 9 points10 points11 points 2 months ago
Despite all my rage I am still just a con in a cage
[–]enjoytheshow 1 point2 points3 points 2 months ago
That fould be a Farside comic. Brilliant.
[–]cakeswithahuman 1 point2 points3 points 2 months ago
"Sometimes I feel that my anger is the internalization of just wanting to shank you so fucking bad in the kidney in the chow line Raul. I just don't know how to express myself coherently enough, it's just a massive onslaught of emotions that I can't formulate into words. I knew he was your bitch, but that doesn't excuse the fact that he ripped a pack of cigarettes off of me in the yard. I'm the first to admit that I was over reacting, but it's been difficult for me. You're fucking dead Raul. Sleep with one eye open.
Whew, that feels nice."
[–]yourafagyourafag 1 point2 points3 points 2 months ago
You don't hate me, you hate White Power Bill.
[–]orthag 601 points602 points603 points 2 months ago
When your therapy group consists of some of the most hardened killers on earth, cages might be warranted.
[–]crimthro42day 388 points389 points390 points 2 months ago
I created a throwaway for this comment because of the nature of my job. I'm an attorney that works with convicted felons. People seriously underestimate the number of incredibly dangerous people there are in prison. I see, on a regular basis (as in once a week or more), different inmates that are convicted of multiple homicides, rapes, and torture. Top it off with the fact that many of them have added assaults (on other inmates and on staff) and possession of a deadly weapon while in correctional facilities and yeah, the cages are probably warranted.
[–]ndw10325 5 points6 points7 points 2 months ago
I have a question for you about your job.
How often do you feel you're at risk simply defending your client? I mean, how often have you felt you were defending someone who, in the process of his/her defense, might actually make an attempt on your life?
When you're in your office, are you armed at all? I mean, do you carry a gun or have one in your desk or anything? Obviously in a prison or courthouse, that's illegal and unnecessary, but, what about in your office? I can't imagine in your line of work you feel completely safe just behind your desk, in your line of work you create a lot of enemies.
That said, I have respect for you, whether you are a prosecutor or a defense attorney(I'm assuming you're one of the two, though I guess there may be other options?), you're vital to the system, I really respect the defense lawyers because often they have to make sure even the clearly guilty get a fair trial and that isn't something that'd be easy from a technical or moral stand point, what I'm saying is there must be cases where you knew if your client walked because of your actions, they'd go on to harm others, yet they do their job and hold the system accountable.
[–]maddprof 183 points184 points185 points 2 months ago*
I understand how some people think Death Penalties are barbaric/etc, but these type of people are never going to be productive members of society and are nothing more than wasted tax dollars making some privately owned prison richer...
Edit: I'm getting hammered with the same replies over and over.
I should clarify that those people who are without a doubt repeat offenders and/or openly admit to being repeat killers, allowing for them to sit in a jail cell for years on end is the expensive part. These types of people are the ones, who in my opinion, should be fast tracked to the injection room...
Edit 2: I get it - death penalties are expensive.
[–]novicebater 30 points31 points32 points 2 months ago
I actually think the death penalty would be a blessing for a lot of these people, I do not oppose it because it's barbaric.
I oppose it because:
it's inevitable you will execute an innocent person.
You lose the moral authority to condem murder when you practice it.
[–]thistableistoohot 17 points18 points19 points 2 months ago
You lose the moral authority to condem murder when you practice it
I never liked this argument. While the results of a Government execution and a regular murder are the same, I think that the motives behind the act make it an entirely different thing. What about prison? Can we say that the Government has lost the moral authority to condemn kidnapping. Or taxes? Some may consider that theft.
[–]kiaru 7 points8 points9 points 2 months ago
Except when you KNOW you're going to kill an innocent person, it is murder. If you do things that may kill someone in an unjustified manner, (driving while drunk, shooting a gun into an area you don't know is devoid of human life, executing people while knowing that there isn't absolute certainty of their guilt) it's negligent homicide. Imprisonment is reversible, while execution is not, and Taxes are payment for governmental services rendered. You can have an argument about value for tax, and what they should be spent on, and how high they should be, but at the end of the day you can say the same thing about any purchase.
[–]ClassicalFizz 1 point2 points3 points 2 months ago
Governments kill innocent people all the time. Police kill innocent people before they even get a day in court. Militaries kill totally innocent people (collateral damage), hospitals kill people thru gross negligence, etc. An accidental death every once in a while is the cost we pay for civilization.
[–]Rhesusmonkeydave 17 points18 points19 points 2 months ago
However the legal system is a joke that's for sale to the highest bidder, and it pays to give people appeal time. We've put to death enough innocent people already
[–]Nothingtotalkabout 12 points13 points14 points 2 months ago
The death penalty in California has costed billions of dollars over the past 30 years. Eleven of the thousands of death row inmates have been executed during this time.
[–]maddprof 10 points11 points12 points 2 months ago
When someone is a proven repeat offender (I had intended this to be the key point of my original post) and without a doubt have proven that they are guilty of being a killer, there is no reason to delay the inevitable in my opinion. Give them their last meal, their last rights as applies to their religion, and humanly kill them via lethal injection.
[–]thistableistoohot 6 points7 points8 points 2 months ago
Does the legal system incorporate any concept of degree of guilt? Like guilty when you confessed, were caught on video, and there were multiple witnesses vs. some DNA and fingerprints on a knife handle.
I'm probably not thinking through all the repercussions of this idea, but it seems like it might make implementing a death penalty easier, and it would allow the legal system to function more efficiently since you could prioritize appeals based on how guilty the person was.
[–]FyreWulff 2 points3 points4 points 2 months ago
Eyewitnesses are unreliable and video can be forged
[–]kiaru 3 points4 points5 points 2 months ago*
From http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/index.cfm?ty=tp&tid=17
Within 3 years, 2.5% of released rapists were arrested for another rape, and 1.2% of those who had served time for homicide were arrested for homicide.
Repeat killers are rare. Most murders (and I don't have the source for this aspect, so take with salt if desired) are not done by amoral sociopaths, but people who have a (sometimes lengthy, and not excusable) lapse of judgement. People who were extremely angry about something, justifiably angry or not, but they don't go back out and say "yeah, I beat the system, let's do it again." And the proven thing is almost never the case.
Also, the way it's prosecuted, there's generally a large racial bias for death penalty cases: People accused of murdering whites are more often given the death penalty http://www.deathpenalty.org/article.php?id=54.
[–]rawdoggingisawesome 7 points8 points9 points 2 months ago
I would prefer they be eliminated via a hollow point to the cranium, but to each their own I guess
[–]sharkiness 1 point2 points3 points 2 months ago
It's messy, but probably more humane.
[–]spicy_chicken_wings 3 points4 points5 points 2 months ago
I would have no problem with the death penalty if there was a way to be 110% sure of guilt. However one innocent death makes the whole process hypocritical.
[–]seckslexia 49 points50 points51 points 2 months ago
Except that it's typically much more expensive to execute someone than it is to keep them in jail for life (not to mention that elimination of the risk of putting an innocent person to death).
[–]US_Law_Enforcement 42 points43 points44 points 2 months ago
Not to be a complete dick, but it is only more expensive because of the attorney fees and appeals costs; killing someone is actually not that expensive.
[–]muons_and_gluons 37 points38 points39 points 2 months ago*
true, but the allowing appeals part isn't optional. Especially after confessed(!) killers have been exonerated due to DNA evidence.
[–]ClockCat 12 points13 points14 points 2 months ago
That's one huge problem especially with people being pressed into confessing for reduced sentences, is that the real killers are still out there and free.
[–]US_Law_Enforcement 1 point2 points3 points 2 months ago
I wholeheartedly agree that we should not eliminate the appeals process; I have just always considered the "too expensive" arguement against the death penalty to be a little bit of an awkward point to make. Lifetime prison sentences don't require the automatic mandatory appeals, or a dual trial process, they don't have the same requirments for expert testimony and jury instructions either. Essentially we are arguing that we don't give that many protections to ensure a convict who is ordered to be locked away for life is definitely guilty, so it is a much cheaper process.
[–]toomanynamesaretook 1 point2 points3 points 2 months ago
Yeah well who cares if innocent people get killed too... Perhaps we could start with you?
[–]US_Law_Enforcement 2 points3 points4 points 2 months ago
I care if innocent people get killed; I just always thought that the "expensive" arguement was a little disingenuous. Shouldn't we care equally as much if innocent people get life-without-parole sentences?
[–]pokie6 1 point2 points3 points 2 months ago
Yeah, but that's the reality we live in. If in some magical version of the US lawyers were free or appeal process was eliminated, then, sure, death penalty would be cheaper. But that's not the case, so it's more expensive.
[–]ConansBeard 12 points13 points14 points 2 months ago
This is sort of misleading...its much more expensive to prosecute capital offense cases than non death penalties. The only reason is more expensive is because death penalty cases are usually higher profile and or get appealed much more which costs more money to litigate.
It's cheaper to kill them rather than keep then prisoner for the rest of their life.
[–]MayTheFusBeWithYou 11 points12 points13 points 2 months ago
This is true, but is that cost ever going to go away? Is it not a kind of inherent part of the whole death-penalty process, in case they've got an innocent person on their hands? If the cost will never go away, the reason for the cost is sort of moot.
[–]crimthro42day 41 points42 points43 points 2 months ago
Your comment is also misleading because it ignores that 99% of people on death row will use all of their appeals, the appeals are derived from constitutional protections and are pretty necessary to safely execute someone (if such a thing exists), and the process of those appeals added to the time cost more than life in prison. Thus in practice it is cheaper to use life in prison than execution.
[–]leetdood 24 points25 points26 points 2 months ago
Not to mention if you're gonna kill someone you probably should be sure about it...
[–]excopandlawyer 1 point2 points3 points 2 months ago
Yes and no. Yes, putting a person on death row is very expensive due to all of the appeals - most absolutely necessary. However, what's not calculated is the savings from those criminals who agree to plea bargains because the death penalty is available to prosecutors.
[–]NeoM5 31 points32 points33 points 2 months ago
i've always said that the death penalty is not a form of punishment or the sword of society, but rather a way to remove someone that is simply too dangerous to live in a civilized world
[–]Grays42 27 points28 points29 points 2 months ago
I am entirely in agreement, with a caveat.
I was wildly pro-death-penalty until I began researching the number of botched convictions. If 100% certainty were available, yeah, kill 'em. But way too often, we get the wrong guy, and there's no going back after the injection.
[–]goddamnsam 24 points25 points26 points 2 months ago
this is my biggest problem with the death penalty. its pretty crazy how common botched convictions there are that we know of. imagine all of the innocent people we've put in jail or put to death that have simply never been cleared. some people make the argument that it's a reasonable risk, but i call bullshit on that. 1 innocent person in 10,000 death sentences is too many in my opinion.
also, the inconsistency bothers me. some people have killed dozens and got life sentences, while others have killed one person and gotten the chair.
[–]AvidWikipedian 8 points9 points10 points 2 months ago
Based on this alone I think the death penalty is wrong, on the grounds that, because flaws exist in every legal system, you will, even in a very small percentage of the time, be murdering an innocent person, and I think that should be avoided in any way possible. If that means life imprisonment, sure. If that means solitary confinement and/or special prisons for inmates who are considered to be a danger to other prisoners, so be it.
[–]kenneth1221 12 points13 points14 points 2 months ago
Why not Hunger Games, then? Panem et circensis.
Don't take me seriously. But if we're already going to remove these people from society, why not...
Wow, I sound like a maniac. But you have to admit, with "reality" TV, it sure would be profitable.
[–][deleted] 11 points12 points13 points 2 months ago
Because 8th amendment
[–]kenneth1221 3 points4 points5 points 2 months ago
Like the government's never gone back on those before.
[–]philisntcool 2 points3 points4 points 2 months ago
1st? Psh... fuck it. 2nd? Like we would let you guys have guns... 4th? Just fuck you guys right in the ass.
[–]mojo996 6 points7 points8 points 2 months ago
Have you seen 'Running Man'?
[–]Zombie_Lover 1 point2 points3 points 2 months ago
I have never seen it written so... cleanly.
[–]NeoM5 1 point2 points3 points 2 months ago
thanks dood. I was really interested in Jack Kevorkian and it got me reading about all this kind of stuff.
[–]Func 89 points90 points91 points 2 months ago
But does deeming them unproductive to society give you the right to kill them? It's a question with no clear answer, only opinions.
[–]Zombie_Lover 134 points135 points136 points 2 months ago
Unproductive, no, not an excuse to kill them.
The fact that they are highly dangerous, and likely to murder and rape if they ever escaped...
Perhaps.
[–]wiz_witout 46 points47 points48 points 2 months ago
That's not why they're being killed; they're being killed because they committed heinous crimes against humanity and the likeliness of rehabilitation is low.
[–]keypuncher 11 points12 points13 points 2 months ago
They don't have to escape to do that - many continue to commit these same crimes after they have been imprisoned.
They've proven that they not only cannot be trusted to live among other people in regular society, but they also cannot do so among other prisoners.
At this point, your options are solitary confinement for the rest of their lives, or the death penalty. Both of these are not as punishment, but rather as a means of preventing them from harming anyone else.
[–]burgess_meredith_jr 30 points31 points32 points 2 months ago*
I think we should put our heads together and try and solve this one right here, right now. Who's with me?!?!
[–]GillaMobster 27 points28 points29 points 2 months ago
I think we need a montage...
[–]ImAWhaleBiologist 10 points11 points12 points 2 months ago
Alwaysfadeoutinamontage...
[–]bannana 1 point2 points3 points 2 months ago
If we put our heads together I think we could have it hammered out in a couple of weeks tops.
[–]tallonfour 10 points11 points12 points 2 months ago
I have always heard that it cost more execute a prisoner than it does to keep one alive for an extended period of time. I don't have a source so it could just be a myth.
Edit
If I had just looked a little lower I would have seen the source.
[–]SecondSophistic 1 point2 points3 points 2 months ago
This guy maddprof said unproductive to society, but when we're talking about serial rapists, murderers, etc. I think that's a slight understatement. If they're only going to be intensely detrimental to the health, sanity, and safety of others, without a glimmer of change, then, yeah, I do do think perhaps the 'right to kill them' is warranted.
In my opinion, as you say.
I feel that violent sociopathic behavior can be caught at a young enough age, and if channeled correctly the outcome can be positive. However, while it's not a black/white issue, I think if you're the kind of person who likes to kill and hurt people repeatedly, I'd quite like to kill you right back if that's ok with everyone else.
[–]MechaGodzillaSS 2 points3 points4 points 2 months ago
The death penalty has killed innocent people: more than a few prisoners have been killed, only for us to later discover they were innocent. You can argue the standards have improved, but since humans aren't perfect, neither can the courts perfect be.
In my mind the execution of an innocent man can be called nothing else but state-sanctioned murder. This makes every citizen of that respective government partially responsible for allowing such a system to exist. Since we have the means to punish, [and/or] rehabilitate, and protect ourselves from from that tiny number of truly dangerous people, it is superfluous, immoral, and barbaric to kill them.
"But the prisons, they're overcrowded!" - Concerned citizen.
That's because of the War on Drugs. Violent crime has been decreasing for decades.
[–]darkray16 4 points5 points6 points 2 months ago
How many of those "killers" were killers before entering prison?
I think the most important thing we have to change is the attitude that prison is for punishment, instead of rehabilitation.
[–]Wannabuyamonkey 1 point2 points3 points 2 months ago
Thing is, death penalty convictions actually cost tax payers more money than life sentences. On top of that, the system is far from perfect and innocent people are killed via death penalty all the time - people who otherwise could and would have been exonerated. Lastly, killing "unproductive people" is not the job of the state. Thank god.
I don't really care too much about the lives of murderers and rapists etc. - let em all burn for all I care - but it is neither necessary nor rational for the government to kill them.
[–]thebope 1 point2 points3 points 2 months ago
But the repeals/appeals process costs tax payers far more than imprisoning them for the rest of their lives does.
[–]delicious_sammich 1 point2 points3 points 2 months ago
Do you understand that capital punishment is more expensive than life in prison?
Now we don't only have to pay for them to be in prison for the years they spend on trial, but now we have to waste the courts time and money. Oh, and sometimes it turns out they actually were innocent- there are recorded cases of this.
So you want to waste money, just to- what? Satisfy blood lust?
Or should we rush the process and increase the number of innocents we kill, while not keeping society any safer than before (since they would be in prison for life anyway)?
[–]underwaterlove 1 point2 points3 points 2 months ago
If you look at it from that point of view, then a life sentence without parole in a maximum security facility is certainly barbaric as well. I'd still advocate it over the death penalty simply based on the issue of how error-prone the system is, and the fact that it seems to create an entirely flawless justice system.
Also, speaking of tax dollars: the process of sentencing some to death is currently significantly more expensive than imprisoning someone for the rest of his life. You might argue that it's simply a matter of streamlining the process, but given how the current system works, making it faster and/or easier to sentence someone to death doesn't seem to be the way to go.
[–]gtrain 1 point2 points3 points 2 months ago
I think we can all agree that someone who has murdered multiple people or engaged in the violent rape of multiple people is obviously very mentally ill. Generally as a society and as human beings we like to try to treat sick people and help them get better, except in the case of prisoners. It would be much more cost effective if we euthanized every cancer/aids/Parkinson's/Alzheimer's patient but we don't do that because we all recognize that we have a duty to our fellow human beings to offer help when we are in a position to be able to do so. The vast majority of people in jail come from extremely impoverished, uneducated, over policed and marginalized backgrounds, but instead of trying to provide better education, job opportunities and mental health treatment we lock them up and hold them accountable for doing desperate things under their desperate circumstances. If we spent a fraction of the money we spent on prisons on education and mental health treatment we would transform our country in just a few years.
[–]FancyMoustache 1 point2 points3 points 2 months ago
I've been involved in two rehabilitation programs in prison and, while they are successful, I can agree that no amount of rehabilitation will save certain individuals.
[–]_Jizzle_ 1 point2 points3 points 2 months ago
Agreed. I think of the old Richard Preyer bit, he's talking about visiting a jail and going in there with this black solidarity buzz, and when he left he was like, thank god there are fucking jails for some people
[–]Karrl1z4j2 1 point2 points3 points 2 months ago
I know there are many dangerous people in our (US) prison system. However, it becomes difficult to side with the jails when we have the largest number of prisoners in the world and treat all of them as though they were all crazed killers. The US prison system is deeply flawed and this type of treatment is part of the problem. When we stop treating people like people and starting treating them like they are objects we insure their dis-connection from the rest of society and insure there return to prison. TL;DR This type of treatment does not help anyone.
[–]graffiti81 1 point2 points3 points 2 months ago
The sad part is that, because of the war on drugs, it's easy to forget that there are a ton of super violent people in jail since a lot of what we hear about is non-violent drug offenders going to jail.
[–]CosmicDustbunny 7 points8 points9 points 2 months ago
I'm going to go ahead and completely agree with you here.
[–]phil8248 279 points280 points281 points 2 months ago
I worked as a health care provider in a prison for 9 years. There are definitely guys who would need cages to be around others. There is a certain group of inmates, very small, that are extremely violent and have no self control. Being imprisoned generally makes this behavior worse, unfortunately. They often attack or kill their cell mate over some real or imagined slight. Or they attack or kill someone on the recreation yard or dining hall. Prison systems have a tiered system. The least violent with the strongest community ties and shortest sentences are housed in very lenient settings, sometimes without even bars or fences. They do their time and go home. Medium risk prisoners have fences but often no bars, or the bars are not locked. Maximum, locked bars and fences but they can associate with one another. The guys who can't live within those environments end up like these fellas in the picture. Total isolation. It isn't to help them, it is to protect others. As most correctional professionals will tell you, a guy has to earn this through violent misbehavior. And when prison officials make a mistake classifying the risk an inmate poses, people die. The last one in the federal system, where I worked, was June 20, 2008. Two inmates from Guam, one who had already murdered a correctional officer there and should never been in general population, murdered Officer Jose Rivera. For no good reason, just because they could. Those inmates, Jose Sablan and James Guerrero, should be in cages for the rest of their natural lives till their death sentences are carried out.
[–]KristinnEs 2 points3 points4 points 2 months ago
Thats one thing I dont understand, and hope you know. But after they have been sentenced to death and put in a certain place where this is possible. Why does it often take years to carry out the sentence? Seems like they could pop them into jail, into a chair, zap them and move on to the next poor bloke. IIRC a person on death row costs americans three times as much to maintain as a regular convict.
[–]baristaking 7 points8 points9 points 2 months ago
The process is dragged out because of endless appeals usually. If the court system wasn't already so flooded then things could go along faster. I had a marijuana possession charge and was in and out of court for 5 months. Imagine that with a murderer, where there are multiple charges and piles of evidence to go through. Then repeat that 3-4 more times for the appeals process that they are given, and their sentences are continued until all possible legal options are exhausted.
[–]webby_mc_webberson 250 points251 points252 points 2 months ago
At least they're safe from sharks.
[–]godlesspinko 91 points92 points93 points 2 months ago
Yeah, they need to keep the Jets and Sharks separated.
[–]searchlight_archer 42 points43 points44 points 2 months ago
A spontaneous dance number could... break out.
Yeeaaaaahhhhh
[–]Appare 11 points12 points13 points 2 months ago
MARIAAAAAAAAA
[–]athennna 19 points20 points21 points 2 months ago
Snap. Snap. Snap.
[–]simburger 118 points119 points120 points 2 months ago
hmm... put a phone in each cage, add a monitor, keyboard, mouse, give them 35 minutes for lunch, and it's not too different than my last job.
[–]kibdrv 64 points65 points66 points 2 months ago
AMA request: guy that moves them around on a dolly each day
[–]devilinblue22 63 points64 points65 points 2 months ago
There are actually leg holes and handles, you should see it, sometimes the therapist will look away for a second, they shuffle around and when he looks back he gets confused.
[–]Birdie_Num_Num 28 points29 points30 points 2 months ago
Cue Benny Hill theme
[–]WGMindless 23 points24 points25 points 2 months ago
Wait a second, so you're saying there is no floor on the bottom of the cage, and they have handles they can use to pick up the cage and walk around?
I would love to see some inmates getting mad at eachother and then picking up their cages to ram into eachother. Or even better, all the inmates charge the psychiatrist and knock him over before they escape by ramming the cages through the walls...
[–]orthag 9 points10 points11 points 2 months ago
Why did we give them leg holes?! Why?!
[–]load_more_comets 4 points5 points6 points 2 months ago
Because they already have assholes.
[–]excessdenied 1 point2 points3 points 2 months ago
I'm imagining a really ghetto version of Atlaspheres.
Edit: Prettier link.
[–]devilinblue22 1 point2 points3 points 2 months ago
Ohh but he's safe. He's in a ball
[–]arandomguyhere 1 point2 points3 points 2 months ago
Like a horribly violent Kool-Aid man commercial!
[–]RichardDastardly 1 point2 points3 points 2 months ago
You said 'the' twice...
[–]Bi-la_kaifa 38 points39 points40 points 2 months ago
Or possibly their version of "Hollywood Squares".
[–]threeminus 59 points60 points61 points 2 months ago
...and Circle gets the Shank!
[–]ikillforctu 16 points17 points18 points 2 months ago
San Quentin, you've been livin' hell to me You've hosted me since nineteen sixty three I've seen 'em come and go and I've seen them die And long ago I stopped askin' why
San Quentin, I hate every inch of you. You've cut me and have scarred me thru an' thru. And I'll walk out a wiser weaker man; Mister Congressman why can't you understand.
San Quentin, what good do you think you do? Do you think I'll be different when you're through? You bent my heart and mind and you may my soul, And your stone walls turn my blood a little cold.
San Quentin, may you rot and burn in hell. May your walls fall and may I live to tell. May all the world forget you ever stood. And may all the world regret you did no good.
San Quentin, you've been livin' hell to me.
Damn it. You made me go through the effort of finding the song on youtube.
Video for my fellow lazy redditors: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1zgja26eNeY
[–]Clearly_sarcastic 1 point2 points3 points 2 months ago
Came for Cash. Was not disappointed.
[–]Zombelina 46 points47 points48 points 2 months ago
They're in administrative segregation (ad seg), which my many hours of watching MSNBC's Lockup all night has taught me is for people who are in danger of being murdered by the general prison population. So the cages are probably a good idea. No one wants to get shanked.
[–]Crizix 82 points83 points84 points 2 months ago
I had a buddy who served some time in there. I should try and convince him to do an AMA
[–]ilovepills 93 points94 points95 points 2 months ago
That place will fucking ruin you. I remember seeing something about a guy who was wrongly convicted of killing his girlfriend. By the looks of the guy, you were convinced he did it. He was a huge, tatted-up monster, due to San Quentin.
Turns out some guy was watching them through their window as they were arguing, boyfriend leaves angry, creepy dude goes in and rapes/kills the girlfriend. He ended up confessing years later and they let the boyfriend out with a few million in the bank. Crazy shit.
EDIT: Found it.
[–]JohnsonWrangler 23 points24 points25 points 2 months ago
16 years. Holy shit.
[–]NBAallstar 4 points5 points6 points 2 months ago
Kevin advised
Over and over.
[–]spidermonk 3 points4 points5 points 2 months ago
Is that an english as a second language thing? I've never seen someone use "advised" as "said".
[–]bonnily 1 point2 points3 points 2 months ago
http://i.imgur.com/qG7nj.png ಠ_ಠ
[–]papermerc77 18 points19 points20 points 2 months ago
Please do.
[–]TChamberLn 9 points10 points11 points 2 months ago
I second this motion.
[–]MrBoog 6 points7 points8 points 2 months ago
Awesome! Make sure he comes armed with proof and I'll be there.
[–]AQUA2 1 point2 points3 points 2 months ago
Interesting thing I noticed on Wikipedia.
Apparently, the prison is almost 30% over capacity...not surprising since 1 in every 100 Americans is behind bars somewhere.
[–]devilinblue22 4 points5 points6 points 2 months ago
Can he start it with "despite all my rage...."
[–]Sigul 12 points13 points14 points 2 months ago
So no group hugs I guess
[–]Kyle-Overstreet 23 points24 points25 points 2 months ago
My friend knows someone who is currently helping with the drama therapy program at San Quentin, where inmates are putting on productions of famous plays. They just did Hamlet.
They're putting on a breast cancer walk, too. It's sometime this month, I believe.
[–]yourdadsbff 10 points11 points12 points 2 months ago
Is there a video of this production of Hamlet by any chance? Also, AMA request maybe?
[–]Kyle-Overstreet 10 points11 points12 points 2 months ago
I can ask about the both. Since this is a therapy thing I am not sure how in depth she would be allowed to get, or if the prison would allow her to say much.
Here's a quick video in the meantime: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QH1HuV7e1Co
[–]yourdadsbff 5 points6 points7 points 2 months ago
Whoa, that guy's really good! I'd love to see a longer video, if it ever surfaces. Cheers mate, and thanks for sharing!
I clicked the link, expecting a white biker guy with a heavily slurred voice dropping some shakespeare. When the video loaded I saw a big black guy start talking about, and conveying emotions.
Before I knew it the video was over and I wished there was more.
[–]thebeginningistheend 13 points14 points15 points 2 months ago
I sure hope its not a claustrophobes anonymous meeting
[–]KingOTheCask 9 points10 points11 points 2 months ago
"I'm in a steel cage of emotion!!!"
"There is NO way that you can possibly know that line."
[–]moom 7 points8 points9 points 2 months ago
Good enough excuse to link to Johnny Cash performing "San Quentin" in San Quentin.
[–]Brocktoon_in_a_jar 1 point2 points3 points 2 months ago
or Krusty, but I couldn't find the link in under 10 seconds
[–]pibroch 1 point2 points3 points 2 months ago
If it's a clip from any animated show within the last 15 years likely all you'll find are stupid 1-minute still-frame "WATCH FREE TV SHOWS AT FREETVZAZ.DA" videos.
[–]patienttapping 13 points14 points15 points 2 months ago
if they're dangerous enough to be on 23-hour solitary confinement, then they are probably necessary
[–]gefiltefishblues 19 points20 points21 points 2 months ago
it's a crip in a box
[–]DrizzX 25 points26 points27 points 2 months ago
Worlds most boring game of duck duck goose.
[–]SweetLobsterBabies 1 point2 points3 points 2 months ago
Duck duck shank
FTFY
[–]MaunaLoona 6 points7 points8 points 2 months ago
"Now, let's have a free and open discussion here. Don't let anything hold you back."
[–]ProximaC 25 points26 points27 points 2 months ago
It's like the cages in Skyrim.
[–]13_0_0_0_0 5 points6 points7 points 2 months ago
My mind jumped to that before the image even finished loading. "Get the book, the gold..."
[–]learntofart 1 point2 points3 points 2 months ago
Imagine the quest update you'll get in Dragon's Dogma seeing this.
So this is what happens when one goes fiddling around with any locks . . . .
[–]Mainecolbs 15 points16 points17 points 2 months ago
This is probably a good thing. A chance for inmates to safely talk to one another? Doesn't really seem that /r/WTF to me...
[–]Ranndym 4 points5 points6 points 2 months ago
Honestly, it's good for them. It will help them to assimilate to the real world if they get an office job and have to work in a cubicle.
[–]lumgm 20 points21 points22 points 2 months ago
The worst of the worst in California go there. I am okay with this.
[–]meggibri 9 points10 points11 points 2 months ago
These programs exist because when our prison system began it was a rehabilitation system and there is research that shows when these are done effectively, they can prevent recidivism. Unfortunately, our prisons are overcrowded, the staff is overworked and we have developed a prison complex which basically forces people to learn to live within the prison system that is nothing like the society most of us know everyday, which is why most prisons have revolving doors. The cages are used to protect the therapist as well as the prisoners since most of the people in the group have never had a change to understand their emotions in the way that therapy does and since most are violent criminals, they often react in the only way they know how violence. So instead of saying wtf to the cages, look into the system and the cluster-fuck that it has become instead
[–]distertastin[S] 1 point2 points3 points 2 months ago
I'm happy with the discussions it brought up, and with the completely insensitive 1-liners that still made me laugh. Internet's weird.
[–]Plyson 21 points22 points23 points 2 months ago
So happy no one started going off about how "bad" those people are being treated
[–]f00pi 17 points18 points19 points 2 months ago
welll it's san quentin. and theyre in small cages. it's safe to assume these guys are monsters.
[–]hadouken78 9 points10 points11 points 2 months ago
so, TIL that prisoners ALSO get free therapy, something I have to pay $100 an hour for. America is awesome.
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[–]Tron-Gorf 2 points3 points4 points 2 months ago
When I see stuff about prisoners who are too dangerous for human contact and who constantly plot to kill, I just think they should be put down like the mad animals they are. I wouldn't do it but that is how I feel.
[–]knighmare 2 points3 points4 points 2 months ago
Well its not like you can let dangerous inmates roam free
[–]lychee-twist 2 points3 points4 points 2 months ago
This is a cool idea. You never know. They might all be rival gang members working out their problems. It might end up being something really positive.
Or it could end up just being a bullet with butterfly wings.
[–]HappyHapless 1 point2 points3 points 2 months ago
They should have these in the showers too.
[–]HaxWeinberg 1 point2 points3 points 2 months ago
OP did you take a psychology and law class at UCSC taught by Craig Haney? We talked about these, people went on a tour of San Quentin and a picture that was extremely similar to this if not the same one was used as a slide in a couple lectures.
[–]flaccidcompanion 1 point2 points3 points 2 months ago
The therapist must have this nagging feeling, like "At this juncture, what is the point?"
Yeah well, all I'm sayin' is trust is earned.
[–]UnderneathTheBridge 1 point2 points3 points 2 months ago
makes me wish i had a stick...
[–]wild-tangent 1 point2 points3 points 2 months ago
I think I'd need some therapy from that therapy session.
[–]solace1234 1 point2 points3 points 2 months ago
why is this in r/wtf? i mean, seriously, this makes sense.
[–]scheisseking 1 point2 points3 points 2 months ago
I'm in a metal cage of emotion
[–]Going_to_Pasalacqua 1 point2 points3 points 2 months ago
Don't do the crime if you can't do the time.
[–]NeptunesWrath 1 point2 points3 points 2 months ago
Looks like a giant waste of time to me.
[–]LeftHandOvGOD 1 point2 points3 points 2 months ago
Why do they even have it that nice?
[–]tellhersafe 1 point2 points3 points 2 months ago
No touching!
[–]akr8683 1 point2 points3 points 2 months ago
well when you violently knife someone in the showers repeatedly, they tend to take precautions.
[–]RobertAPetersen 1 point2 points3 points 2 months ago
My old man is a corrections officer at San Quentin. Showed him this, he laughed. That's all.
[–]dontaxmebro 1 point2 points3 points 2 months ago
K cage #3 did you do anything nice today? Cage #3: yes I did not stab my cellmate to death today.
[–]BalalaikaBoi 1 point2 points3 points 2 months ago
I'm surprised I haven't seen this on the prison and law enforcement channel, "National Geographic".
[–]EuropeanLady 1 point2 points3 points 2 months ago
Good idea, definitely keeps things safe for the prisoners and the warden and the therapist. Imagine several strong violent men with various issues sitting within an arm's length of each other. That'd be pure horror should a fight break.
[–]amroc987 1 point2 points3 points 2 months ago
Despite all my rage...
[–]trainer95 1 point2 points3 points 2 months ago
As a School counselor who has had many classes on group therapy(for children as well as adults), I do not see a huge problem with this. Obviously these individuals are a huge risk to themselves and others. How do you guarantee everyone's safety, apparently with those cages. Group therapy works through the communication of emotions, recognizing you are not alone, and the strength you feel from others.
[–]Sokonomi 1 point2 points3 points 2 months ago
Stans Halloween party is gonna kick ass this year.
[–]feedingmydreams 1 point2 points3 points 2 months ago
Makes you wonder what they're locked up for.
all it takes is a username and password
create account
is it really that easy? only one way to find out...
already have an account and just want to login?
login
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