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Yet ANOTHER reason why r/atheism leaves Buddhism alone. (Debunks Biblical literalism) (i.imgur.com)
submitted 2 months ago by Stickey_Glue
[–]nebetsu 4 points5 points6 points 2 months ago
He specifically says that if anything he says doesn't work for you that you are free to discard the information. Buddhism lets you cherry pick and actually encourages it if it helps you conduct yourself in a way that shows compassion to others. I think it's silly, though, how he's referred to as "his holiness".
[–]GATTACABear 2 points3 points4 points 2 months ago
Well, he is the avatar
[–]GATTACABear 1 point2 points3 points 2 months ago
I mean, Dalai Lama
[–]Crowd_of_Gods 1 point2 points3 points 2 months ago
He won't get his full powers until he masters water-bending, though.
[–]10thflrinsanity 3 points4 points5 points 2 months ago
Most buddhist masters have not read most of the important Buddhist text. It is not important in Buddhism, specifically Zazen (Zen). There are plenty of phony Buddhist teachers out there (albeit probably not as many as the other major religions), but Zen is really not a religion. It's tough to describe, but if you're looking for a great introductory explanation check out Hardcore Zen by Brad Warner, worth the read.
[–]mrbrattlebary 1 point2 points3 points 2 months ago
His other books are excellent as well. I wish I hadn't let that girl borrow my copy of "Sit down and Shut Up" by him. That one is a really good primer on the history of zen.
[–]10thflrinsanity 1 point2 points3 points 2 months ago
Agreed. He's from my hometown (Akron, OH), which is pretty cool. My best friend Pete ran into him at a coffee house and had a pretty interesting discussion with him one morning.
[–]EmpRupus 1 point2 points3 points 2 months ago
Zen is the Thomas-Jeffersonization of Buddhism. Mainstream Buddhism has a lot of supernatural stuff. Zen buddhism was in fact born out of mistransmission of ideas of original Buddhism. Practicing Zen makes one a Buddhist as much as practicing Yoga makes him a Hindu. I wouldn't consider them equivalent.
[–]SirDudeGuyFella 0 points1 point2 points 2 months ago
I did a weekend meditation retreat with him once. He really is an incredibly nice guy.
Do you know if he's still living in Japan or not?
Far as I know he's living in the states. He's definitely doing the wandering monk thing and just travelling around, giving talks at various temples. If he comes by your area, I recommend going to see him speak.
Definitely will. I have wanted to do a retreat-type deal, or just have a conversation with him for quite some time since reading that book. It sorted some things out for me though I haven't made much progress in the Zen world.
[–]SirDudeGuyFella 1 point2 points3 points 2 months ago
No one really makes progress in the Zen world, you just understand less and less. :)
[–]10thflrinsanity 0 points1 point2 points 2 months ago
Progress.
[–]Sinofstupidity 2 points3 points4 points 2 months ago
I've never met a buddhist that wanted to kill/remove from society/change the will of/prove wrong/hurt, a human being. That is why I personally do not mind their mythology.
[–]NeuroG 1 point2 points3 points 2 months ago
Superstition can seem harmless in one time, and become a problem in another. The superstition that the "spirit" enters the body at the time of conception wasn't really problematic until abortion and embryonic stem cell research became part of medicine. Also, I find the idea of divine justice after death on both Christianity and Buddhism problematic as it cheapens the push for justice in life.
[–]Katie1230 0 points1 point2 points 2 months ago
Thank you. I see people on here "oh but they believe in reincarnation, yada yada" Who fucking cares, they are not dicks.
[–]1632 0 points1 point2 points 2 months ago
Do you realize it was a common punishment to gut criminal offenders alive when the monk theocracy ruled Tibet?
The Dalai Lama may be a very sympathetic guy, the system he stands for is a theocratic society ruled by superstitious monks.
[–]Fullerer 8 points9 points10 points 2 months ago
So, are disabled children being punished for sins in a past life? “Oh yes. Of course.” Suddenly, one of his entourage – dormant until now – leaps up and speaks quickly to the Dalai Lama in Tibetan. He turns to me.
“This is for Buddhists! Only for Buddhists! Last question now, please. We must hurry.”
http://johannhari.com/2004/06/07/johann-interviews-the-dalai-lama/
Just sayin.
[–]stepppes 0 points1 point2 points 2 months ago*
i never considered buddhism as a religion because there are some cool pieces of knowledge in it.i remember borrowing that book from tibetan guy and he used to jk. about karma if i would not give him the book back.
"he never got it back xD" i guess im going to hell as a christ and be reborn without eyes or something :D
but yeah youre right its the same shit in every religion
[–]Fausto1981 5 points6 points7 points 2 months ago
well, you're wrong. buddism is a religion. just do a quick search on the net.
[–]IAmAPhoneBook 0 points1 point2 points 2 months ago
This person has the right idea. As much as we like to proclaim some of the teachings of Buddhism as (rightfully) useful or true, faith still plays a big role. There are a number of supernatural appeals within the religion to account for the nature of reality/the universe.
[–]stepppes 1 point2 points3 points 2 months ago
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[–]Etalan 1 point2 points3 points 2 months ago
I think that the whole point, Buddhist can discard those information, because Buddhist don't use faith for their "RELIGION" unlike some other religion, It more a philology, which in my definition have the right to update their information. Also reincarnation sound like the more hybrid version of Hindi with Buddhism.
[–]NeuroG 3 points4 points5 points 2 months ago
^ And here we have the real reason r/atheism leaves Buddhism alone... Most people here don't know much about it!
[–]jacobhghs43 1 point2 points3 points 2 months ago
"In order to discover the sacred authors' intention, the reader must take into account the conditions of their time and culture, the literary genres in use at that time, and the modes of feeling, speaking and narrating then current. 'For the fact is that truth is differently presented and expressed in the various types of historical writing, in prophetical and poetical texts, and in other forms of literary expression.'" Catechism of the Catholic Church, Paragraph 110
Oh, Catholicism teaches the same thing? That's odd...
[–]hyperkron 1 point2 points3 points 2 months ago
If we want to understand a text, we must first understand the language. Now give me kharma...
That guy seriously gets way too much credit for pointing out trivial things.
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[–]NeuroG 0 points1 point2 points 2 months ago
2 is not entirely true. See the persecution of Galileo and others for suggesting that the earth may not lie "on a foundation" as the bible says.
[–]BugLamentations 0 points1 point2 points 2 months ago*
The "persecution of Galileo" that you are referring to is essentially a myth, or at the very least much more complex than the silly way it is often recounted.
Even at its worst, it is not an example of an over-arching literalism, but was concerned with a very specific point (heliocentrism) that the Church felt would be disruptive. Galileo was free to propose it as a mathematical theory, but did it in a dickish way, offended his main supporter (who happened to be Pope) and reaped the rewards of his trollery.
ADDED: This was at a time in history when the church was in the difficult position of being both a civil authority and a spiritual authority. And any honest reading of the incident sees that the Church had not only to defend its own ecclesiastical integrity, but also the common good. Galileo's position was one that could call into question the entire authority of the Church - i.e., the civil government as well - and I think quite rightfully the Church asked Galileo to present both sides of the argument (the conventional wisdom as well as his revolutionary (hah hah) theory. He chose to bite the hand that fed him, and to put his own verifiably correct position above the needs of the society surrounding him.
[–]superbatarrowlantern 1 point2 points3 points 2 months ago
What if I told you, there are other branches of Buddhism and the coolness of the Dalai Lama doesn't reflect the opinions of every other BUddhist.
[–]elbruce 4 points5 points6 points 2 months ago
Yes, the current Dalai Lama is a wise and cool dude. So was John Paul II (relatively speaking). That doesn't mean that the institution that he stands at the head of is wise or cool.
I'm kind of sick of seeing pro-religion shit in /r/atheism.
[–]genzahg 4 points5 points6 points 2 months ago
Who cares if the guy is a religious leader? It's what he said in the quote that's important. Nothing in this picture says, "Look how awesome the Dalai Lama is. His religion wouldn't be that bad to follow." It just claims that Buddhism is a somewhat moderate religion and doesn't deserve as much attention as others.
This isn't pro-religion at all, but it doesn't spew hatred over all religions, so I guess it's not good enough.
[–]SumnerSolstice 1 point2 points3 points 2 months ago
Not to mention that Muslims can debunk the Bible, yet people wouldn't necessarily love their extremists.
[–]The_False_Prophet 3 points4 points5 points 2 months ago
I would put the concept of samsara at equal footing with the concept of craziness when discussing foolish religious beliefs
[–]cbebop3 0 points1 point2 points 2 months ago
That's called philology.
[–]Arinly 0 points1 point2 points 2 months ago
Tibeten Theocracy
[–]AgentCoop 0 points1 point2 points 2 months ago
I know everyone here likes to hop on the hate wagon sometimes, but not all forms of Buddhism even involve any supernatural elements. Obviously, most do, but still...
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 2 months ago
I haven't seen any systematically mocking of Jews or Hindus either. Very rarely do we (r/atheism) mock other religions. It's almost always Christianity, despite Islam, for example, is just as bad and represents an equal threat. r/atheism attacks any religion that is a) widespread in western countries and b) safe to mock. Which pretty much rules out every religion besides Christianity.
[–]nummakayne 0 points1 point2 points 2 months ago
There's bad apples everywhere. Over the past month, an estimated 90000 Rohingya Muslims have had to flee Myanmar due to what what's being called 'state-sponsored ethnic cleansing' - at least that's what a New York Times Op-Ed columnist called it. Most media outlets have been calling it sectarian violence.
Apparently, Muslim settlers (the Rohingya) aren't considered citizens as per Myanmar's constitution. Amnesty International is currently super unimpressed with how the Buddhist majority has been treating minorities.
So yeah, Buddhists have their fair share of scumbag assholes too.
[–]LeetroyJnkns 1 point2 points3 points 2 months ago
His "holiness?"
[–]Hee443 4 points5 points6 points 2 months ago
That is his "title" in a way. If you would meet him you would generally address him as that. That is just to my knowledge of him at least.
[–]1632 1 point2 points3 points 2 months ago
I wouldn't address any human being in this way, may it be a pope or a monk trying to reinstate a theocracy in Tibet.
[–]ZeroGSpaceCow 1 point2 points3 points 2 months ago
-His Holiness the 14th Dalai Lama
Yup. we should totally leave them alone. It's not like they just chose a child at random to be the next Dalai Lama or something.
Tibet was the worst kind of theocracy, I don't get why some atheists give Buddhism a break.
Even so the Dalai Lama tends to give plenty of "feel good" statements, the system he stands for was a horrible place for centuries (I'm a European atheist).
[–]sfresh666 1 point2 points3 points 2 months ago
Tibet is still a theocracy, i don't understand why any atheist would support that. They believe you are responsible for what your ancestors did, if you suffer any affliction your ancestors must have been guilty of something therefore making you deserving of it, there have been known occasion where religious edict were given to forbid the sale of food to people who had different opinions. I know in western society we like to see the good side of the seemingly peaceful religion thanks to the like of Richard Geere and his gerbil and a lot of people who have a vested interest in making The Dalai Lama and Buddhism look good, but it is just another cult among many others that should vanish from this earth.
[–]RedactedDude -2 points-1 points0 points 2 months ago
Says the person with 666 in their username.
[–]sfresh666 0 points1 point2 points 2 months ago
And what about it?
[–]RedactedDude -1 points0 points1 point 2 months ago
In the Textus Receptus manuscripts of the New Testament, the Book of Revelation (13:17-18) cryptically asserts 666 to be "the number of a man," associated with the beast, an antagonistic creature that appears briefly about two-thirds into the apocalyptic vision.
In modern popular culture, 666 has become one of the most widely recognized symbols for the Antichrist or, alternatively, the Devil. Earnest references to the number occur both among apocalypticist Christian groups and in explicitly anti-Christian subcultures. References in contemporary Western art or literature are, more likely than not, intentional references to the Beast symbolism. Such popular references are therefore too numerous to list.
One can only assume that by having 666 in your username, you either endorse or otherwise identify with this symbolism. Therefore your opinion, especially on the matter of criticizing other religions - particularly on a sub for atheism - is fairly worthless.
I'm a Maiden fan, now fuck off you Christo-imbecile. I don't believe in you god or your devil or your anti-christ, i believe in ROCK N ROLL Motherfucker!
I'm an atheist, friend. I have no gods or devils. Hence why I'm here. Fuck, you're dumb.
[–]sfresh666 -1 points0 points1 point 2 months ago
You are the one who assumed from my handle that i believed in the devil, and went on about revelation, you are quoting fiction as if it had any meaning, then you say that because of the name i use on reddit my opinion is worthless, seriously who's the dumbass? I am an atheist, the reason my name is Sfresh666 has nothing to do with me believing in the devil, you idiot, i just use it because i'm a rocker and a huge Iron Maiden fan, so go on feeling superior because you can quote a fairy tale. Now do you have anything to contradict the point i made about Buddhism being just another cult, with people just as capable of doing awful things? Or do you want to go on about my name? Fuck, you are dumb.
I didn't make any assumptions about your belief in any devil. I explained why one could reasonably assume the connection is due to that, though. I also explained why your opinion was worthless because when you advocate for a so-called Anti-Christ, your opinion is not objective - but has an agenda. Hence why you saying that Buddhism is a cult is a worthless statement, because it was a tainted statement.
I don't feel superior because I can quote Wikipedia (which is not a fairy tale, you fucking reject). I feel superior because I have a better grasp on social mores and how that relates to belief in general, as well as a better grasp on the English language than you - which should be overwhelmingly obvious to anyone who sees this little exchange.
Your point was dumb and not worth contradicting, but trolling you was delightful. Incidentally, throwing my same insult back at me doesn't actually have any effect. It just reinforces your stupidity. Good day. Fucktard.
So because i am an atheist my opinion that Buddhism is a cult is worthless?
"I don't feel superior because I can quote Wikipedia (which is not a fairy tale, you fucking reject). I feel superior because I have a better grasp on social mores and how that relates to belief in general, as well as a better grasp on the English language than you"- Well congratulation, do you want a medal? By the way my grasp of english language may not be so good because english is not my first language, i mostly speak french so that might be it, SuperiorMan.
I get that you are a buddhist and feel insulted by me calling your religion a cult but calling my point dumb and not worth contradicting doesn't make it less true, if you have anything else to argue otherwise please feel free to do so, maybe you can come up with other gems such as ; "Buddhism is not a religion for the spiritually-inclined. Buddhism is not a philosophy for pure intellectuals, either. Buddhism is a technology by which atheists can find true happiness. It is a solution to the riddle that has plagued those of us so inclined down through the centuries — the riddle of finding a way to maintain our integrity in our sense of what is right (right in the sense that a square is made of ninety degree angles) and yet to find happiness in the bargain. It is not the only solution, but it works for me.'
People like you make me laugh, you claim to be intellectually superior, and atheist and yet you are just another cultist following another dumbass religion. By the way when did i advocate for the anti-Christ, you intellectual lightweight?
Oooh, now you're reddit-stalking me. Delicious. I look forward to your nighttime visits.
[–]Fausto1981 -2 points-1 points0 points 2 months ago
"Now, ladies and gentlemen, i'll be back burning incense to thank one of the 100 spirits and gods of my religion, and i'll ask them to make me born again as a horse, 'cuz i love em horses". His holiness dalai lama.
[–]tompr1997 0 points1 point2 points 2 months ago
Also, Buddhism isn't strictly speaking a religion, as there is no deity, only a person who ascended to enlightenment, which any person can attain.
[–]NeuroG -1 points0 points1 point 2 months ago
..any person man can attain.
I'm sure I could if I drop everything, sit on the floor and think for long enough.
It is a superstitious believe system ruling the life of hundred of millions, dealing with the everyday implication of life after death. Bloody theocracies (e.g, Tibet) were based on it, killing people for doctrinal offenses.
Sounds good enough to treat it like every other religion.
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