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[–]Scopolamina[S] 127 points128 points ago

Bombing of Dresden

In four raids between 13 February and 15 February 1945, 1,300 heavy bombers of the British Royal Air Force (RAF) and the United States Army Air Force (USAAF) dropped more than 3,900 tons of high-explosive bombs and incendiary devices on the city. The resulting firestorm destroyed 15 square miles (39 square kilometres) of the city centre and caused thousands of civilian casualties.

[–]koodz 28 points29 points ago

The photo was taken from the tower of the townhall. Here is a panorama showing the rebuilt city in 2008 (same PoV).

[–]asteroid_9 18 points19 points ago

My Geography teacher once said to me if you ever happen to go to Dresden don't ask for directions to the old town.

[–]MeddlMoe 0 points1 point ago

well that is bullshit. They still call the city center "Altstadt" (Old Town)

[–]Ritotron 0 points1 point ago

Go all the way to the right, the woman on the building... Heidi Klum?

[–]Avohaj 1 point2 points ago

The building is a mall. Probably fashion ads (Heidi Klum does those)

[–]meangrampa 0 points1 point ago

At first I zoomed in too far to see her. Yes that is she. Around the corner is a "Pizza Hut".

[–]Spiralyst 65 points66 points ago

But it didn't destroy Kurt Vonnegut!

[–]Scopolamina[S] 31 points32 points ago

Can you be destroyed if you're jumping through time?

[–]7ypo 34 points35 points ago

Of course you can die if you are jumping through time. So it goes.

[–]DarthChocolate 12 points13 points ago

At least at one point you'll be dead, and another point you won't.

[–]dogsarentedible 5 points6 points ago

I love you, reddit.

[–]SavageNoble 7 points8 points ago

Billy Pilgrim was unstuck in time. Vonnegut was in the shitter with explosive diarrhea.

[–]boshee 1 point2 points ago

Neither could paul malls

[–]daffodilhill 9 points10 points ago

So it goes.

[–]Wanna_fight_about_it 33 points34 points ago

The Dresden bombing were committed in retaliation for the German firebombing of Coventry (link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coventry_Blitz).

Furthermore the Air Marshal Arthur Harris (he commanded the Dresden attack) was deeply upset that every other air unit received post war medals but him and his company did not.

"In 1946, Harris was appointed Marshall of the RAF. However, he felt that Bomber Command was never given the recognition that he believed it deserved. Whereas the men of Fighter Command were applauded, the men who flew with Bomber Command never received a similar recognition and at the end of the war, they were not given a campaign medal - something that greatly angered Harris." - http://www.historylearningsite.co.uk/air_marshall_arthur_harris.htm

[–]SophisticatedVagrant 78 points79 points ago

So people were obsessed with unlocking achievements even back then, too?

[–]Wanna_fight_about_it 10 points11 points ago

You got it! Human beings are weird.

[–]FlyingSpaghettiMan 5 points6 points ago

No, they just want recognition from their country. They killed hundreds of people to help protect the country, and they probably did not enjoy killing those people. The least the government should do is recognize the men individually.

[–]Wanna_fight_about_it 19 points20 points ago

The soldiers I can see but not the Air Marshall. What he did was fucking horrendous. As for protecting their country I disagree. Britain knew they were going to win the war and did it out of spite. It's like Russia's retaliation on Berlin when the Germans were retreating. They weren't raping and murdering women and children because they were protecting their country. The Dresden bombings between the 13th and 15th of February 1945. Two months later they captured the Reichstag. Also Dresden was not a major military hub and provided little to the war effort aside from its train station.

[–]winkwinknudge_nudge 6 points7 points ago

You make it sound like Britain acted alone and I'd hardly compare it to what Russia did.

You could also say the German bombing of numerous British cities which offered little military advantage was also horrendous, or the US Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

"As far as Dresden being a militarily significant industrial centre, an official 1942 guide described the German city as "one of the foremost industrial locations of the Reich" and in 1944, the German Army High Command's Weapons Office listed 127 medium-to-large factories and workshops which supplied the army with materiel." - Wiki -

[–]pax27 3 points4 points ago

You could say that the bombing of civilian targets is always, by definition, a horrendous act, no matter who, when or where.

And I doubt the allied forces couldn't tell the difference between bombing tactical targets and bombing a city back to the stone age with such a force that other WWII bombings pale in comparison.

I'm just saying that the winners will always write history and all parties had very evolved propaganda machines in place. To me, terror is terror, no matter why you do it or to whom.

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    [–]7zark77 4 points5 points ago

    Russia lost between 20 - 25 million people in World War II. That is fucking insane. And then there was the fact that the country's industry and agriculture was totally wrecked. I think the level of hate that country had towards Germany is incomprehensible to people today.

    [–]kiraella 7 points8 points ago

    What makes it even more sad was that it was a refuge for the elderly and children because no one really expected Dresden to get bombed. There was also a large influx of people fleeing the Russian advance.

    [–]You_got_it 6 points7 points ago

    I don't want to sound like I'm just jumping on but I agree with you. Many of the targets (Dresden, Hamburg) hit in the later parts of the war were mostly civilians.

    I'm not excusing anyone for their actions, which means that no side is excused for something that results in something this terrible.

    [–]markth_wi 0 points1 point ago

    Yeah I think in both Germany and Japan the number is at the least hundreds of thousands, in total, Dresden alone was somewhere between 25000-35000, dead - the real numbers are not well known.

    **Edited

    [–]bravado 1 point2 points ago

    Don't quote that 200000 number unless you're willing to use Joseph Goebbels as your cited source. That's powerfully inaccurate. The number was much closer to 25000-35000.

    [–]markth_wi 1 point2 points ago

    My bad I almost feel like Glenn Beck - how embarrassing - fixed.

    [–]pax27 0 points1 point ago

    The winners will write history anyway. I heard it was 25 people and all of them convicted murderers and rapists.

    [–]UNSCHTHEEN_PARTIALLY 0 points1 point ago

    So if they thought the killings were wrong, they shouldn't have done them, not done them anyway for the sake of some tin.

    [–]LettersFromTheSky 1 point2 points ago

    Well played.

    [–]lurkerr 3 points4 points ago

    Your nick is mildly relevant in a dark way.

    [–]Bombardiers 1 point2 points ago

    Hello there.

    [–]lurkerr 1 point2 points ago

    thx for showing up

    [–]LettersFromTheSky 0 points1 point ago

    He said "Stop what you're doing Get down upon your knees I've got a message for you that you better believe...." - love that song.

    [–]avocaz 15 points16 points ago

    Zee Germans also leveled Rotterdam to force the Dutch to capitulate after fighting back for 5 days (Hitler expected to take Holland in 3 days)

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rotterdam_Blitz

    [–]question_all_the_thi 1 point2 points ago

    At first I thought the picture in the OP was Rotterdam.

    [–]offroadpigeon 9 points10 points ago

    It was only this year that Bomber Command were finally recognised, with a statue unveiled by the Queen just a couple of months ago.

    Link

    [–]mapkinase 7 points8 points ago

    Coventry

    An estimated 568 people were killed in the raid (the exact figure was never precisely confirmed) with another 863 badly injured and 393 sustaining lesser injuries. Given the intensity of the raid, casualties were limited by the fact that a large number of Coventrians "trekked" out of the city at night to sleep in nearby towns or villages following the earlier air raids. Also people who took to air raid shelters suffered very little death or injury

    [–]Wanna_fight_about_it 11 points12 points ago

    Yeah. Also it should be noted that Arthur Harris purposely bombed every water reserve in order to prevent the Germans from putting out any of the flames. He bombed according to weather reports as well in order to use the wind as a way to spread the flames over the city. Still Dresden's casualties pale in comparison to what Auschwitz did in only a month.

    [–]Chordios 2 points3 points ago

    What has Auschwitz got to do with anything?

    [–]Wanna_fight_about_it 14 points15 points ago

    When comparing the rational of why Dresden was bombed it's incredibly lopsided (in comparing it to the retaliation strikes for the bombing of coventry). The numbers and method in Coventry are nowhere near as sick and horrific as Dresden. If someone who knew very little of the war and saw this thread they would probably see Britain as more of an a aggressor and a larger evil when in reality Germany and Japan and Russia were much more horrific.

    [–]Ryanair 8 points9 points ago

    And now every year thousands of Neo-Nazis march through Dresden to mourn the casualties of the "Dresdner Holocaust". Fucking stupid boneheads.

    [–]Wanna_fight_about_it 0 points1 point ago

    Yeah most of them don't even understand their own countries history, just a jaded cover up of what really happened. Not to different from America and our Genocide of the original American people.

    [–]Ryanair 1 point2 points ago

    You should see their statistics. "150,000 - 200,000 casualties alone in Dresden and targeted bombing of refugees."

    It's always fun to listen to someone talking about that stuff for about 10 to 15 minutes before you just want to stick them their own marching boots up their asses.

    [–]Wanna_fight_about_it 2 points3 points ago

    As my history teacher used to say "A good bigot never relies on the facts."

    [–]kiraella 1 point2 points ago

    To be fair, the total amount of people who died will never be known. Too many refugees and too many bodies burned completely.

    Edit: I agree though. No more than 40,000 were probably killed.

    [–]myrpou 0 points1 point ago

    Or the 911 memorials? the first bombing of Afghanistan killed more afghans than people who died on 911.

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      [–]Chordios 3 points4 points ago

      Fair enough!

      [–]ImOnAWalkieTalkie 1 point2 points ago

      He's right though, Auschwitz has nothing to do with it in that it doesn't justify it in the least bit, it was still an atrocity on the part of the British, it was still a war crime.

      [–]apator 0 points1 point ago

      How about what the Germans did to Warsaw? The old town was over 90% demolished.

      [–]Thyrotoxic 0 points1 point ago

      Arguably the Russians where justified in their barbarism against Germany. Germany had spent two years murdering, raping and pillaging captured Russian lands. The Russians just returned the gesture.

      [–]Wanna_fight_about_it 0 points1 point ago

      True but I was more referring to the extermination of their own people through torture camps and death squads. Stalin did as much damage as Hitler.

      [–]captainwhalley 5 points6 points ago

      Where does it say it was in retaliation for Coventry? Coventry happened 4+ years before Dresden.

      [–]IxNaY1980 2 points3 points ago

      If we're listing cities razed to the ground then we shouldn't leave out the planned and largely realised destruction of Warsaw. Why is the human race so horrible?

      [–]aandroid 2 points3 points ago

      Oh, and how about Tokyo:

      The high altitude bombing attacks using general purpose bombs were observed to be ineffective by USAAF leaders. Changing their tactics to expand the coverage and increase the damage, Curtis LeMay ordered the bombers to fly lower (4,500–8,000 ft, 1,400–2,400 m) and drop incendiary bombs to burn Japan's vulnerable wood-and-paper buildings.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombing_of_Tokyo

      Or, Zadar:

      Over the course of the bombing, 60% of the city's buildings were destroyed. Zadar has been called the "Dresden of the Adriatic" because of perceived similarities to the Allied bombing that city.

      In short, war should be avoided at all cost because it knows only one logic - destruction. That Gandhi letter I saw moments ago goes just fine alongside this post.

      [–]fearandtuborg 0 points1 point ago

      Because it can be.

      The human race isn't horrible. It just is.

      [–]IxNaY1980 3 points4 points ago

      Ok, ok, I know, and you're right. I'm a bit of a naive "why can't we all just get along" type dreamer.

      [–]fearandtuborg 1 point2 points ago

      so am i.

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      [–]AtlasWas 5 points6 points ago

      Certainly you wouldn't call 600,000 people as thousands. But that's almost certainly not the number of dead.

      "Now, more than 60 years later, it seems we must lower our estimates. After four years’ work, an impressive commission of German historians this week filed its report on this issue, and it seems that even the lowest figure so far accepted may be an overestimate. Drawing on archival sources, many never previously consulted, on burial records and scientific findings -- including street-by-street archaeological investigations -- plus hundreds of eye-witness reports, the “Dresden Commission of Historians for the Ascertainment of the Number of Victims of the Air Raids on the City of Dresden on 13/14 February 1945” has provisionally estimated the likely death-toll at around 18,000 and definitely no more than 25,000."

      http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/death-toll-debate-how-many-died-in-the-bombing-of-dresden-a-581992.html

      [–]bloopeeriod 2 points3 points ago

      You are right. there is a lot of hyperbole surrounding this event. I withdraw. Of that of which we cannot speak, it is best to remain silent.

      [–]You_got_it 1 point2 points ago

      I thought from first glance this may have been Hamburg, it was also heavily bombed during WWII and had tens of thousands of civilians wounded and killed.

      I'm glad images exist showing that war has horrific repercussions no matter the side, in particular for civilians.

      [–]the_second 1 point2 points ago

      In German one says (very colloquially) about something that is in very bad shape that it looks like "Dresden '45" ;)

      [–]Rockemsockemrobots 1 point2 points ago

      What is it good for?

      [–]mapkinase 1 point2 points ago

      50 years later:

      1994-1995

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Grozny_%281994%E2%80%931995%29#Casualties

      As of the civilian casualties, Sergei Kovalev, the Russian Duma's commissioner for human rights, and Russian President Boris Yeltsin's aide on human rights, who had been in Grozny during part of the fighting, estimated 27,000 people, many of them ethnic Russians, died in five weeks of fighting.[25] Anatol Lieven, who was also in Grozny during the battle, in his book Chechnya: Tombstone of Russian Power put his estimates lower at about 5,000 killed civilians, with some 500 more killed by the Russian air raids prior to the battle.

      Dresden:

      However the city authorities at the time estimated around 25,000 victims; a figure which subsequent investigations, including one commissioned by the city council in 2010.

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        [–]RorschachDR1 75 points76 points ago

        The statue is like, "wtf guys?"

        [–]winterd 40 points41 points ago

        "Seriously, I turn my back for like a second and everybody's dead..."

        [–]RicoSuave803 17 points18 points ago

        "This is why we can never have nice things..."

        [–]Jigsus 4 points5 points ago

        "What the hell happened here?"

        Alternative:

        "See? Humans are still animals"

        [–]millionsofmonkeys 1 point2 points ago

        "Duuuude."

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          [–]koshkakartoshka 120 points121 points ago

          War...war never changes

          [–]LynkDead 20 points21 points ago

          War has changed. It's no longer about nations, ideologies or ethnicity. It's an endless series of proxy battles, fought by mercenaries and machines. War, and its consumption of life, has become a well-oiled machine. War has changed. ID tagged soldiers carry ID tagged weapons, use ID tagged gear. Nanomachines inside their bodies enhance and regulate their abilities. Genetic control. Information control. Emotion control. Battlefield control. Everything is monitored, and kept under control. War has changed. The age of deterrence has become the age of control. All in the name of averting catastrophe from weapons of mass destruction. And he who controls the battlefield, controls history. War has changed. When the battlefield is under total control, war... becomes routine.

          EDIT: And then there's this.

          [–]GiveTheMonkeySugar 1 point2 points ago

          Yay finally. I got some reference. MGS

          [–]ilikeapples312 1 point2 points ago

          SNAKE. SNAKKEEEEEEEEE

          [–]bitparity 0 points1 point ago

          The need for the elimination of your opponents will never change. How that manifests is where the differences lie.

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            [–]Morial 7 points8 points ago

            God Dangit. There is always someone who posts what I was thinking before I do it!

            [–]LunchMasterFlex 10 points11 points ago

            Welcome to the Reddit Hive Mind.

            [–]banniker 3 points4 points ago

            Am I the only one annoyed seeing this in every war thread? Is this really how these things resonate with some people?

            "Hmm, 'thousands of civilian casualties.' Seems like the most appropriate comment I could make right now is a fucking video game quote. Maybe it'll get upvotes because others played the game and also enjoyed it."

            [–]koshkakartoshka 5 points6 points ago

            It also happens to succinctly point out a fundamental truth about war, regardless of where its from. It is entirely appropriate for the majority of war threads. This picture in particular looks like something out of Fallout, you have to admit.

            [–]Poonchow 1 point2 points ago

            I also played Fallout when I was like 8 or 9. This was one of the most frightening things I had ever experienced at that point. Shit was powerful.

            [–]meangrampa 0 points1 point ago

            I have given some thought into picking up and playing the fallout series before. Many times, I've heard things but I needed info. That's usually as far as I get. To "I'll think about it and if I've got time I'll research". Your link gave the back story from Fallout II. I went off to research further. Looked at the first then I Googled for the back story and game play. Lots of interesting links.... And ended up at ToonTown. This is why I never start a new series. Next time I run across a cheap used copy I'll buy and give it a shot. Thanks for the link. On a post about a photo of a bombed out Dresden. I think I shall start at the beginning.

            [–]Poonchow 1 point2 points ago

            It's an amazing series. It's like aging wine, though, takes time to get good. There is an incredible amount of references, the gameplay is typically slower paced (in the case of Fallout 1 and 2, it's turn-based). However, the story is very gratifying, as the Fallout series has always been player-driven; dialogue and actions dictate the story. Most people agree that Fallout 2 had the best story of the series. Fallout 3 might be easier to get into for the more casual or newer gaming audience (real time, first and third person perspectives, similar story elements but quick gameplay). Fallout 3 makes many references to previous games, however, so some of them may be lost to new players.

            For instance, in Fallout 3 there is a ruined building you may come across in your travels. As you explore, you hack a terminal, find a note, salvage some pieces that tell you there was a raid here recently. For what, isn't quite clear. You discover some ghouls that immediately try to kill you, and as you delve deeper into the ruined building, the ghouls, dead bodies, and loot get thicker and thicker. Finally, you discover the raiders' final stand: it's just a pile of corpses surrounded by weapons, ammo, armor, and notes telling you what exactly happened here. Oh yeah, there are also a ton of ghouls still alive. In the end, you finish off all the ghouls, you read the notes, hack the last few terminals, figure out what happened and leave.

            Just like that. One of many little stories that takes place within a big story within a big wasteland to explore and discover. And you, the player, just wander off to commit the next deed of discovery, solve someone's problem, or blow someone's head off.

            [–]mason_irish 1 point2 points ago

            check out GOG.com. fallouts 1 & 2 are cheap, both are great games

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              [–]sycher 0 points1 point ago

              The one of the world occurred pretty much as we predicted.

              [–]uhhhclem 0 points1 point ago

              It's really a fantastic luxury to have a video game be where you go to learn to think about war, isn't it?

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                [–]LetMeMagicThatForYou 8 points9 points ago

                Here ya go!

                [–]AlumiuN 1 point2 points ago

                That's probably going to kill everyone in a multiplayer game. :P

                [–]benvolio_otter 0 points1 point ago

                i still love you

                [–]e30fern 7 points8 points ago

                My grandmother visited a couple German cities (Berlin, Munich among others) in the late 1940s, very shortly after the war ended. She would tell me how the buildings were almost entirely rubble and that the cities were mainly ghost towns.

                She visited again in the early 70s and said that it was like stepping into another world. They had rebuilt, and better than before, and she was astounded that it was the same city. She said that from that day, she could never forget just how powerful we as a species can be. We can just as easily destroy a massive metropolitan area just as quickly as we can build it up. It showed her how resilient we can be and what we can accomplish when we put our collective resources and efforts together.

                [–]ubergossen 2 points3 points ago

                I think there was a huge difference in how quickly cities were rebuilt in East Germany vs West Germany

                [–]merdock379 1 point2 points ago

                We can destroy it much quicker than we can build it up, but you're correct.

                [–]ubergossen 0 points1 point ago

                My grandmother was actually in Dresden during the bombings and didn't go back until very recently (she emigrated to Canada right after the Dresden bombing). I went there pretty recently and was pretty surprised at how recently things have been rebuilt. The main church in the centre square only started being rebuilt after the fall of the USSR.

                [–]thumper242 48 points49 points ago

                What is it good for?

                [–]Scopolamina[S] 18 points19 points ago

                Nothing.

                [–]happywaffle 16 points17 points ago

                Absolutely.

                [–]Scopolamina[S] 11 points12 points ago

                Good God y'all.

                [–]KoalaBomb 22 points23 points ago

                I was wondering how you made it to over 300000 link karma in over a month but good god man, that's a fuck load of porn. You've submitted over 50 porn links in the past hour alone.

                I'm impressed.

                [–]Scopolamina[S] 16 points17 points ago

                I've thought about it and there's really no difference between consistent posting and spending all day playing COD or Starcraft like I used to. It's just a hobby, that's all, I just have the added benefit of people really liking porn. In the end, you're just playing for fake points - although I do like the idea that people from all over the world are enjoying the fruits of my labor.

                I have a good job that I'm awesome at and my girlfriend is cool with it (even though she doesn't exactly understand it) so I figure - what the fuck, right?

                [–]KoalaBomb 8 points9 points ago

                Dude, by no means am I weirded out by this. That's why I said I was impressed. Keep up the good work!

                [–]internetpersona11 1 point2 points ago

                I appreciate your work.

                [–]Scopolamina[S] 1 point2 points ago

                Thanks!

                [–]NomNuggetNom 1 point2 points ago

                And here I was thinking you were a bot. Good work, kudos to you.

                [–]Scopolamina[S] 2 points3 points ago

                All you have to do is look at my comment history to know I'm not a bot but my posting alone does look like that. I'm just... dedicated. And procrastinating from what I'm really supposed to be doing.

                [–]furman87 0 points1 point ago

                Seriously that is totally cool. I kind of feel the same way. It is just super interesting.

                [–]NvrConvctd 0 points1 point ago

                Porn! Hmm, Good God ya'll. What is it good for?

                [–]Helvetism 3 points4 points ago

                Absolutely, EVERYTHING!

                [–][deleted] 0 points1 point ago

                Is it weird i recognized your name?? Love da porn

                [–]Rein10 0 points1 point ago

                until this post I wasnt sure how i knew this user name. This man works mysterious wonders!

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                  [–]jorellh 0 points1 point ago

                  You all!

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                    [–][deleted] 1 point2 points ago

                    Technology

                    [–]TarlofKoroba 0 points1 point ago

                    Well stopping bad guys. Does that not count?

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                      [–]ForDaShorties 15 points16 points ago

                      Just off camera... Slaughterhouse 5

                      [–]hans2000 33 points34 points ago

                      For all it's faults, the European Union has made war like this, in Europe, unthinkable for the first time in two thousand years.

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                      [–]103020302 29 points30 points ago

                      We generally don't flat out carpet bomb cities, to our credit.

                      [–][deleted] 2 points3 points ago

                      We dropped 3 times as many bombs in Vietnam in the time we were there as we did in WW2, in a space about the size of Texas. One difference was that we weren't really destroying anything besides people, if we were aiming in the right spot.

                      Which we probably were, since we aimed everywhere.

                      [–]Thyrotoxic 1 point2 points ago

                      They'd drop thousands of tons of bombs on Vietnamese roads and they'd be operational again the next day.

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                        [–]PostalPenguin 5 points6 points ago

                        Precision guided munitions also mean civilian casualties are greatly reduced. You can bomb a factory without having to carpet bomb the entire neighborhood.

                        [–]richalex2010 3 points4 points ago

                        Nuclear weapons, actually, have made major war between major powers unthinkable more than anything - because the cost of victory would be so extreme (Pyrrhic victory is a massive understatement), nobody is willing to engage in a nuclear war. There can no longer be war on the scale of the world wars, just relatively minor conventional wars like we've seen in this century in Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, and so on.

                        [–][deleted] 4 points5 points ago

                        All it takes is one.

                        [–]Jeffgoldbum 1 point2 points ago

                        So far even someone as geonocidal is hitler would not.

                        He was aganist chemical warfare im more then certain he would be aganist using nuclear too, just for free of retaliation.

                        [–]The_Lightbearer 0 points1 point ago

                        He was aganist chemical warfare

                        Source?

                        I'm pretty sure this is false... have you ever heard of Zyklon B?

                        [–]brawr 0 points1 point ago

                        Massive stocks of chemical weapons were deployed all over the German front, especially at the end of the war. It was only to be used at the express permission of the fuhrer, which never came.

                        [–]Jeffgoldbum 2 points3 points ago

                        Thats why I was thinking, if he had nuclear weapons and so did the allies I don't see him using them.

                        [–]Jeffgoldbum 0 points1 point ago

                        He was aganist the use of it in warfare,

                        One he knew the effects firsthand, Two mostly for the retaliation that would happen.

                        Unless he was the only one with nuclear weapons, I just don't see that he would have used them for the same reason even in the most desperate no hope situation.

                        My sources are History class in high school, Books from the library, various sources on the internet.

                        [–]TheIndigoSky 4 points5 points ago

                        I for one think that the American military presence in Europe has played the most important role in pacifying Europe in modern times.

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                          [–]thebretandbutter 4 points5 points ago

                          The Doctor did say not to blink

                          [–]Scheusal 13 points14 points ago

                          I as a German actually feel rather indifferent about this picture. It has happened in the past but so have other things (like Hiroshima). And other things will happen. I'm convinced that it will stay the same basically, even though I don't wish for it to be so. So my way to stay sane is to emotionally detach myself from all the bullshit that humans do.

                          [–]the-knife 2 points3 points ago

                          I'm German and it saddens me deeply how a fellow German proudly proclaims how unperturbed he is at the face of the destruction of one of his home cities. This city was a shining beacon of our culture, tens of thousands of innocent civilians perished in its ruins. Show some respect.

                          [–]Biuku 0 points1 point ago

                          I'm increasingly convinced that WWII was the result of Germany failing economically, and then failing to attack the extreme violence of Nazi government thugs with extremer violence. I make it sound silly because, really, are any of us ready to fight with bats and other instruments when the government is wrong? There was a minority in charge, though they were supported by a general anti-Semitism that was not unique to Germany. Had Nazis taken power in Canada or the U.S., perhaps the same would have happened. We were no better. Hopefully we all are now.

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                            [–]ser_dhusti 2 points3 points ago

                            The way that statue is gesturing makes it look like a person who came home to find that their dog has wrecked the house.

                            [–]nonAMfootball 2 points3 points ago

                            yea yea we get it, "war never changes" (no shit, its called war for a fucking reason)... but thanks for collectively telling us a hundred times.

                            [–]AlphaHotel_94 2 points3 points ago

                            So it goes.

                            [–]el_poderoso 6 points7 points ago

                            Killed 25,000+ people in an hour or two.

                            The statue represents "Goodness"

                            [–]Greyhaven7 1 point2 points ago

                            The opposite of "war" isn't "peace", it's "creation".

                            [–][deleted] 0 points1 point ago

                            Smart, is that a quote?

                            [–]Greyhaven7 0 points1 point ago

                            From Rent (musical).

                            [–]skysignor 1 point2 points ago

                            Let's destroy things people have built because we disagree with their views and/or want more land!

                            [–]Reqol 1 point2 points ago

                            Looking at this picture it's almost unthinkable how any country could recover from such devastation.

                            [–]AgaveNeomexicana 2 points3 points ago

                            Dresdeners were early and enthusiastic supporters of the Nazis. They persecuted their resident Jews with gusto. Furthermore, the city was a rail and manufacturing center that was important to the war effort. When you live by the sword . . .

                            [–]anarchtea 0 points1 point ago

                            There has been considerable doubt cast over Dresden's part of the Axis war effort, and even that the bombing plan had anything to do with its industrial power or strategic importance, seeing as very few locations of either were untouched by the Allies.

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                              [–]lolsail 5 points6 points ago

                              It looks like the statue is thinking "Ah, fuck. Look at all the mess I have to clean up. Come on, guys.."

                              [–]NewAccount89 1 point2 points ago

                              The eerie silence that one would experience walking through the remains makes my soul cringe.

                              [–]FordSVT1 0 points1 point ago

                              Here's some black eyeliner.

                              [–]Exo-Judaism 1 point2 points ago

                              That statues face is all like: "wtf did you guys do to my city?"

                              [–]classicgamingwhiz 0 points1 point ago

                              War, War never changes.

                              [–]MrMcStupid 1 point2 points ago

                              I came here to do just that, you beat me to it my good sir.

                              [–]ronanraven 0 points1 point ago

                              Ditto

                              [–]Cynicast 0 points1 point ago

                              I live in Dresden, looks fine here. Although we still find those pesky ol' bombs during road constructions.

                              [–]kevkevverson 0 points1 point ago

                              http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cch0wrwg4tg

                              [–]tony_the_pony 0 points1 point ago

                              eh anyone know the name of the photo and the photographer?

                              [–]koodz 0 points1 point ago

                              Richard Peter is the photographer.

                              [–]tony_the_pony 0 points1 point ago

                              thanks homie!

                              [–]TheMilkMan4 0 points1 point ago

                              It looks like the statue is saying "c'mon guys wtf"

                              [–]Erynsen 0 points1 point ago

                              ...BADUM BOM PAM PAM PAM...

                              [–]ftrs13 0 points1 point ago

                              huh! what is it good for?

                              [–]Mariahflores100 0 points1 point ago

                              WAAAR... What is it good for, absolutely nothing.

                              [–]criticalnegation 0 points1 point ago

                              this is what homs looks like rn.

                              [–]mulligrubs 0 points1 point ago

                              ... is good for glaziers, plasterers and tilers. Just sayin'.
                              Well, it fucking is, isn't it?

                              [–]Pofke13LT 0 points1 point ago

                              What is it good for?!

                              [–]ChinChitty 0 points1 point ago

                              Damn. Better grab my pip boy.

                              [–]bastica 0 points1 point ago

                              Great, now i got that song in my head..

                              [–]corban 0 points1 point ago

                              Huah.

                              [–]Heroshade 0 points1 point ago

                              "The fuck, guys?"

                              [–]spamandramen 0 points1 point ago

                              thanx for sharing. powerful indeed.

                              [–]cocktopusprime 0 points1 point ago

                              “I have seen war. I have seen war on land and sea. I have seen blood running from the wounded. I have seen men coughing out their gassed lungs. I have seen the dead in the mud. I have seen cities destroyed. I have seen 200 limping, exhausted men come out of line—the survivors of a regiment of 1,000 that went forward 48 hours before. I have seen children starving. I have seen the agony of mothers and wives. I hate war.”

                              This is a quote by FDR. No one likes it, but sometimes its necessary. I wish that it wasn't how people solved their problems, but some people believe its how they can solve their problems

                              [–]PleaseEnd 0 points1 point ago

                              Is good for nothing.

                              [–]tatheir 0 points1 point ago

                              Reminds me of Warhammer 40K.

                              [–]xSophieCCGx 0 points1 point ago

                              It kind of reminds me of this scene in the pianist. Obviously different places this picture representative of Warsaw. I just find it sad that so many beautiful places were just toppled completely due to war.

                              [–]not_ewe 0 points1 point ago

                              Huh. Good god. What is it good for? Absolutely nothin.

                              [–][deleted] 0 points1 point ago

                              Hey you post some sweet gifs on nsfw!! Congrats on the karma;)

                              [–]letstouchabear 0 points1 point ago

                              fuck war.

                              [–]ExistentLOList 0 points1 point ago

                              Haunting. Utterly haunting.

                              [–]abillionguitars 0 points1 point ago

                              She looks like she's saying 'what the fudge did you guys do to this place?'

                              [–]Yunners 0 points1 point ago

                              Never been so much fun.

                              [–]rbrumble 0 points1 point ago

                              What is it good for?

                              [–]aequitas3 0 points1 point ago

                              What iiiis it good for, lots of reddit karma, UH!

                              [–]ubergossen 0 points1 point ago

                              Incredible picture. My grandmother was in Dresden when it was firebombed. Still a controversial decision since I believe the city was of little military importance and Germany was already losing at that point.

                              [–]twnadar 0 points1 point ago

                              Ever heard of operation linebacker it makes that looks like child's play

                              [–]twnadar 0 points1 point ago

                              Ever heard of operation linebacker and operation rolling thunder both make this look like child's play

                              [–]sebouh 0 points1 point ago

                              the fuck is this shit -the statue

                              [–]hobbes1080 0 points1 point ago

                              ... HUH! YEAUH! WHAT IS IT GOOD FOR?

                              [–]illbeadoctorifiwant 0 points1 point ago

                              the stautes lookin down like its saying "the fuck man?"

                              [–]trescoole 0 points1 point ago

                              What is it good for?

                              [–]josh72811 0 points1 point ago

                              Huh, yeah. What is it good for?

                              [–]klopperpopper 0 points1 point ago

                              like the statue is asking "why?"

                              [–]gmharryc 0 points1 point ago

                              War never changes.

                              [–]Manaconda 0 points1 point ago

                              What is it good for?

                              [–]WreckerCrew -1 points0 points ago

                              They started it :P

                              [–]RPrevolution 0 points1 point ago

                              Looks like he's saying "wtf guys"

                              [–]OhJustNothing 0 points1 point ago

                              http://i.imgur.com/JKjy4.jpg

                              [–]xDrSchnugglesx 1 point2 points ago

                              I'm upset someone downvoted you. I laughed out loud.

                              [–]92camaro 0 points1 point ago

                              Very powerful

                              [–]Kruse 0 points1 point ago

                              Could you post this over in /r/wwiipics?

                              [–]ILaughAtFunnyShit 0 points1 point ago

                              Its like the Angel is looking over the destruction and saying "Da Fuck is this guys?!?"

                              [–]doot_doot 0 points1 point ago

                              Statue: "...seriously guys?"

                              [–]est007 0 points1 point ago

                              This pictured gave me chills

                              [–]NewEnglandSki16 0 points1 point ago

                              I can't help but picturing to statue in the photograph as a stoner saying, "what the fuck man!"

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