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[–]tothemooninaballoon 237 points238 points ago

He wasn't a non-believe, he was a deist.

[–]Jdoyle35 7 points8 points ago

seeing this as the top comment instead of someone pointing out how it isn't ironic is refreshing to me

[–]vambot5 39 points40 points ago

He was complicated. People call him a deist, but he also edited his own version of the bible. He was more like a Unitarian.

[–]johnbranflake 30 points31 points ago

Yes, he removed all the miraculous events and left the morality tales consistent with his Deism.

[–]itsasillyplace 2 points3 points ago

He wasn't really that complicated, like at all, in matters of religion.

Why was he a non-believer?

  • Mainstream Christianity in those days as well as in the 1950's and today required accepting Jesus as one's Saviour.

  • In order to accept Jesus as the Saviour, one must accept his divinity.

  • Accepting the divinity of Jesus means accepting the belief that he is the Son of God.

  • Jefferson rejected the divinity of Jesus Christ as demonstrated by the fact that he removed mentions of the divinity of Jesus.

  • He was in fact a non-believer as he didn't believe Jesus was divine, and therefore the Son of God.

He's even more of a non-believer, considering that the rejection of Jesus' divinity also entails non-belief in the Trinity, which makes Jesus and God, one.

TL;DR The endorsement of God in the 1950's legislation was not a Deist endorsement of God, it was a Christian one i.e. Jesus and God are one, ergo In Jesus We Trust

[–]HalfGingGhost 8 points9 points ago

Non believer in the Christian sense, but a believer in the religious sense.

[–]General_Hide 1 point2 points ago

There are more Gods than just the christian one...Sometimes I find many non-believers tend to forget that.

[–]itsasillyplace -1 points0 points ago

Except for the fact that the Christian God is also "one with Jesus", and the God on American money isn't any other God but the Christian God.

[–]iratusamuru 0 points1 point ago

A Unitarian who believed that the Book of Enoch was literally preserved and passed down by the ancestors of Noah to the modern time..

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[–]bigbbigga 37 points38 points ago

Deism and atheism are extremely different, and i don't think you can speak for someone who's been dead almost 200 years.

[–]JestreJoeD 2 points3 points ago

I'm pretty sure he would be a Deist, just in the 21st century. If you were to compare him to anything in this century you should compare him to an agnostic. He believed there was a god, but it didn't interfere with human affairs. It acted more as the springboard for life in his opinion (if i remember correctly)

[–]VaughanThrilliams 2 points3 points ago

I don't have a view on your logic or the debate in general but "less Americans in the 1700's went to church less often" so more Americans went to church more often? what? Did I just get up to early or is this confusing

[–]call_me_young_buck 5 points6 points ago

A 17ty century American Deist would definitely be a 21st century Atheist.

I mean, yeah. Obviously.

/s

[–]KittyL0ver 1 point2 points ago

Even more interesting is the fact that less Americans in the 1700's went to church less often....

Church attendance varied considerably during the 18th century in America. According to the Library of Congress, "Between 1700 and 1740, an estimated 75 to 80 percent of the population attended churches, which were being built at a headlong pace." However, church attendance had fallen to between 10 - 30% by 1780. A 2006 Gallop survey indicates that 42% of Americans attend church or synagogue regularly.

[–]MegaZambam 4 points5 points ago

First of all 17th century is the 1600s. Secondly, I don't think there is any precedent for you to be making the assumption that a deist in EIGHTEENTH century is the same as an atheist in the 21st. Lastly, numbers wise it is LOGICAL that more Americans go to church now than then. You know why? CAUSE THERE ARE MORE AMERICANS NOW THAN THEN. Seriously, unless you have stats saying a smaller percentage went to church then, which I doubt, this isn't even an argument.

[–]the_dawdler 1 point2 points ago

Without having the time to look up actual numbers (if they exist); this is before the "Second Great Awakening" revivalist period, and I suspect it is quite possible that Americans went less to church even when controlling for population growth.

[–]executex 0 points1 point ago

No one admitted being an atheist during the 1700s. Doing so would mean being an outcast. Thomas Jefferson was well-connected, because he figured out that claiming himself as an atheist would cause problems, calling himself a deist, doesn't.

the deist belief versus the atheist belief are almost exactly similar except for the definition. The deist believes in a God that doesn't interfere with the world. The atheist believes in no God, and that nothing interferes with the world. Essentially they live an identical life.

The other issue is, arguments in philosophy were not as developed either, so it would be difficult to ascertain the information needed to assume the universe wasn't created by a creator. Much of that came after Darwin explained that the illusion of a creator can occur.

I don't know of any deist prayer rituals either, so I wouldn't consider a deist as someone who is religious.

[–]John_Elway 1 point2 points ago

Two people agree with your logic. Amazing.

[–]mdmcgee -2 points-1 points ago

Sorry, but Thomas Paine had him beat in that arena as he was unashameley atheist.

[–]BRayne7 8 points9 points ago

"I believe in one God, and no more; and I hope for happiness beyond this life." - Thomas Paine, Age of Reason, Part 1

He was definitely a Deist as well. There is speculation that he moved towards atheism in his later years though.

[–]gla3dr 38 points39 points ago

In addition to everything wrong already pointed out, coins aren't engraved. They are stamped.

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[–]THE_CENTURION 1 point2 points ago

Well yeah, but the coins themselves are still stamped.

[–]Msj2705 1 point2 points ago

And a few of them are pressed.

[–]antitheist33 33 points34 points ago

This is the central quote inscribed in the Jefferson Memorial:

"I have sworn upon the altar of God eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man."

He believed in God, just not the typical Christian version. The 'tyranny' he was referring to in this quote was the clergy in Philadelphia who were campaigning against him in his run for the presidency. Link to letter. I don't think they considered him a Christian.

He re-wrote the Gospels, editing out all references to Jesus being the son of God or performing miracles. Jefferson Bible

If Jefferson would have had a problem with "In God We Trust," it would only be because he was one of the chief proponents for the separation of church and state.

[–]cuntslurper 22 points23 points ago

uhhh...thomas jefferson was clearly a religious and spiritual man, as evidenced by the quotation below.

"Say nothing of my religion. It is known to my god and myself alone." -- Thomas Jefferson, in a letter to John Adams, 11 January 1817, in Lester Cappon, ed. The Adams-Jefferson Letters, (1959) p. 506

[–]ThatDanmGuy 6 points7 points ago

But the irony isn't that he was an atheist, but that: 1. His religious views would be classified by nearly all Christians as heretical, and the quote on the coin references God, which is the Christian name for their god. 2. Jefferson did not believe in supernatural intervention, which is exactly what the quote suggests we trust.

[–]bardfaust 5 points6 points ago

It doesn't imply intervention at all, actually. It could just as easily be saying to simply trust that God's plan will work out in the end, not that he's going to come down and save you.

[–]mastermike14 4 points5 points ago

He did not believe Jesus actually performed any miracles. He literally tore pages out that talked about Jesus performing miracles. He also was the first to establish a religious freedom statue. He wanted all religions in America to thrive and be successful. The real irony behind the coin is that Thomas Jefferson never would have endorsed the coin.

"But it does me no injury for my neighbor to say there are twenty gods or no God. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg." -Thomas Jefferson, Notes on Virginia, 1782

[–]EvilStellar 4 points5 points ago

In Deism there is no plan, though... any god is completely uninvolved.

[–]ThatDanmGuy -1 points0 points ago

A Deistic god could or could not have a plan, but a deist would not claim to know what (if any) its plan is, since the primary value of Deism is determining religious truths based solely on reason and observation.

[–]ThatDanmGuy 1 point2 points ago

Fair enough. Good point.

[–]CannibalShinobi -2 points-1 points ago

A god that doesn't intervene has no plan.

[–]bardfaust 4 points5 points ago

Or it is already in play.

[–]CannibalShinobi 1 point2 points ago

Unless his plan is to create universe and watch, anything else would be considered intervening. To trust in his plan would be hoping that he intervenes and set things up to help you, even in advance.

[–]bardfaust 0 points1 point ago

To trust in his plan has nothing to do with hope that he will intervene.

It means that you believe things are going exactly as they are "supposed to", according to the god's "Ultimate Will". What are you talking about?

[–]CannibalShinobi 0 points1 point ago

What am I talking about? What are YOU talking about?

In order for God to have a plan then he would have to intervene to prepare and put that plan into action. In order enact his "ultimate will" he has to actually do things himself, also known as "intervening".

[–]bardfaust 0 points1 point ago

Not if everything started from the very beginning, which is exactly what i'm talking about.

Every action any person or thing or molecule has ever made in the entirety of existence is coming from "his" base point from which "all" began.

Now, why would that god intervene when everything is already in movement?

[–]ragault 0 points1 point ago

You mean like, when the Big Bang happened it set off an infinitely long series of events, each affected by that which comes before it?

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[–]ThatDanmGuy 10 points11 points ago

It would be grossly inaccurate to say that they were all deists. A fair share of them were indeed Christians (though of course not enough to justify the claims Christians like to make about the group).

[–]Cameltoezors -1 points0 points ago

Most were Deists or non Christian theists if you delve any further than a few quotes.

[–]jesusonadinosaur 4 points5 points ago

Actually no. Most were episcopalian. But of the "big" names, most were deists. If we went down the list of every man you could call a founding father you would find mostly christians. If you went down the list of every founding father joe six pack could name you would find mostly deists.

[–]ThatDanmGuy 0 points1 point ago

This is totally off topic, but I saw your name so I have to ask: What's the origin/meaning of the Jesus on a raptor pic? I don't know why it's hilarious, but it is.

[–]jesusonadinosaur 3 points4 points ago

young earth creationists (evolution denying christians who take genesis as literal truth) posit that man and dinosaur lived simultaneously. Given this absurd belief various parodies have come forth. Among them are the concepts of jesus or sarah palin riding a dinosaur and "raptor jesus" who saves dinosaurs from their sins.

[–]Lanceloted 0 points1 point ago

I lol'd. Also, I thought of the space pope from Futurama

[–]fury420 0 points1 point ago

The "Creationism Museum" features exhibits with early humans alongside dinosaurs wearing yokes and saddles.

[–]deadthoughts 0 points1 point ago

and the quote on the coin references God, which is the Christian name for their god.

The whole reason that it is constitutional is because it doesn't explicitly reference the Christian God. Just a definite creator. I do agree that it shouldn't say it at all, but nonetheless it doesn't reference a specific religion's deity.

[–]moralnihilist 0 points1 point ago

This isn't about whether or not Jeffersons beliefs were heretical to MIT Christians. The op's submission claims Jefferson was a non-believer and that isn't true.

[–]ThatDanmGuy 0 points1 point ago

I can't speak for OP, but when I read the post, I assumed belief in question is Christianity (maybe that's just something I assume because I grew up in a Christian community, so that's the only way I've seen that term used.) At any rate, I do think we're talking specifically about non-belief in Christianity since the quote on the coin references the Christian God. What constitutes heresy is thus relevant, since religious beliefs can be hard to classify, and the consensus of those within a religion is the only way I know to define a religion's essential tenets.

[–]HeroicDanger 13 points14 points ago

The Church of England advocates evolution

[–]MrRabbit 6 points7 points ago

So do most Christian religions, like Catholicism for example.

[–]Jeezafobic 5 points6 points ago

It also advocates "royalty" which is pretty much as ridiculous as religion.

[–]johnbranflake -2 points-1 points ago

Isn't based on evolution? The best ruler is selected and passes his genes to his offspring.

[–]Xataz 0 points1 point ago

Sorry, just found it kinda funny having science and religion on the same coin.

[–]xHelpless 0 points1 point ago

The church of England is literally a made up religion. It was formed from convenience, not from divine intervention.

[–]azripah 5 points6 points ago

It was formed from convenience, not from divine intervention.

Are you implying that any religions weren't formed from convenience?

[–]xHelpless 1 point2 points ago

hahaha but of course they are, its just CoE's birth is well documented and known. At least Islam and Catholicism have God telling them to form their religion (or Abraham). CoE is just simply one man deciding he wants to live a certain way and creates a religion about it.

Idiots.

[–]azripah -1 points0 points ago

Same as Mormons, Scientologists, Jehova's witnesses, and a host of other religions. CoE is hardly unique.

[–]alwaysmispells1word 0 points1 point ago

Uh.. Mormon's pretty much claim god told them to form a religion too.

It's exacktly why its not a protestant religion...

[–]azripah 0 points1 point ago

The mormons can think whatever they want. I'm sure old L. Ron said something similar. Fact is that it was formed so recently, to quote GP, its birth is well documented and known, and I really, really doubt it was formed for anything other than convenience. I mean, come on, who wouldn't form a religion just to have good cause for polygamy?

[–]alwaysmispells1word 0 points1 point ago

I'm unsure how a timeline changes teh claim.

You were trying to contrast them to protestants like the church of England, and its very different from a logical standpoint, and a very different tact to show them why the idea is inherently ridiculous.

[–]azripah 0 points1 point ago

Not really, I was trying to liken them to the CoE, all religions formed from convenience, and formed recently enough that we know how and why they were really formed.

[–]TSolo315 0 points1 point ago

IMO most religions were created as tools to obtain and maintain power.

[–]azripah 0 points1 point ago

Yep, convenient tools to obtain and maintain power.

[–]GoSox2525 0 points1 point ago

arnt all religions made up...

[–]exegesisClique 0 points1 point ago

Henry VIII ruled by divine right. If god didn't want him to make a new religion, god wouldn't have made him King of England.

[–]BRayne7 0 points1 point ago

The Tudor's never claimed Divine right.

[–]trevpr1 0 points1 point ago

Why downvote this comment above? It is a very sound point!

[–]godlessatheist 10 points11 points ago

This subreddit needs more skeptics that actually do their damn research. Jefferson was critical of religion but he was still a deist.

[–]rasputin777 2 points3 points ago

More? You mean 'some'. This shit is constantly front-paged by a crew of idiots who fancy themselves the smartest people around while obviously having no concept of critical thinking whatsoever.

[–]godlessatheist 1 point2 points ago

Agreed, many of these people feel like they are intellectually superior for being an atheist but they then believe every conspiracy theory that they hear on the internet.

[–]reallyocean 13 points14 points ago

Nickely

ftfy.

[–]Ross1210 4 points5 points ago

Thomas Jefferson re-wrote the bible by omitting all the magical acts and miracles and called it "The Moral Teachings of Jesus of Nazareth." Focusing on how the importance of being a good person, Good Guy Jefferson.

[–]gr3nade 4 points5 points ago

Dude coins are made out of copper and nickel, not iron. So there is nothing irony about this picture.

[–]philborg 2 points3 points ago

not irony; nickely

[–]Kenny_G_ 2 points3 points ago

Jefferson clearly believed in a higher power- calling him a "non-believer" is as pointless as up-voting this tired picture.

[–]NICKinNOVA 2 points3 points ago

I too thought Jefferson was a non-believer, but he wasn't. That only comes from cherry picked statements.

[–]karmacow 2 points3 points ago

wasn't ol' Jefferson a deist?

[–]NeverYourOpinionX 18 points19 points ago

We also put "liberty" and do a pretty good job taking that away most of the times.

[–]tossedsaladandscram -1 points0 points ago

blah blah blah, i hate america blah blah blah

[–]guiriguiri -1 points0 points ago

"liberty" seems to be a pretty subjective word these days (or maybe it was always that way). the only times i ever see it used are when someone is making a political statement. like when homophobes say giving gays the right to marry would be a death to liberty, and those in favor of gay marriage say that gay marriage would extend liberty to gay people. seems like everyone's idea of liberty is based on what they believe is right for society, not on freedom.

[–]atheistdeepinthebelt 4 points5 points ago

Seems like one of those examples is actually using the word correctly.

[–]I_I_I_I_am_the_owl 0 points1 point ago

No. Liberty is independence from restraints, whether they be restraints on good things or restraints on bad things.

[–]PackOfHighly 1 point2 points ago

The use of the phrase "Only In America" should earn the same treatment as use of the word weeaboo.

[–]markreid504 1 point2 points ago

This is awful and not at all ironic. He was a deist, which is a theist, the exact opposite of a nonbeliever.

[–]mojoxrisen 1 point2 points ago

You kids really need to get outside the lefitsts / wana be atheist box and read some real history. Not history rewritten by haters and other wana be athiest.

Jefferson was far from an atheist.

[–]rasputin777 1 point2 points ago

Allow me to provide several quotes of his. Not just quotes, but quotes written along the interior of his memorial. I see them every time I go there, which is often:
"I have sworn upon the altar of God eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man."

"Almighty God hath created the mind free...All attempts to influence it by temporal punishments or burthens...are a departure from the plan of the Holy Author of our religion...No man shall be compelled to frequent or support any religious worship or ministry or shall otherwise suffer on account of his religious opinions or belief, but all men shall be free to profess and by argument to maintain, their opinions in matters of religion. I know but one code of morality for men whether acting singly or collectively."

"Almighty God hath created the mind free...All attempts to influence it by temporal punishments or burthens...are a departure from the plan of the Holy Author of our religion...No man shall be compelled to frequent or support any religious worship or ministry or shall otherwise suffer on account of his religious opinions or belief, but all men shall be free to profess and by argument to maintain, their opinions in matters of religion. I know but one code of morality for men whether acting singly or collectively."

For a "non-believer" as you say, he sure did talk about God and a creator a lot. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you're merely ignorant and not intentionally deceitful.

[–]backward_z 1 point2 points ago

Even more insulting is that these men's visages ended up on fiat currency issued by a central bank.

George Washington, $1 bill, 25¢ coin:

"Paper money has had the effect in your state that it will ever have, to ruin commerce, oppress the honest, and open the door to every species of fraud and injustice."

Thomas Jefferson, $2 bill, 5¢ coin:

"The central bank is an institution of the most deadly hostility existing against the Principles and form of our Constitution. I am an Enemy to all banks discounting bills or notes for anything but Coin. If the American People allow private banks to control the issuance of their currency, first by inflation and then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around them will deprive the People of all their Property until their Children will wake up homeless on the continent their Fathers conquered. The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs."

and

"Banking establishments are more dangerous than standing armies."

and

"The bold effort the present (central) bank had made to control the government … are but premonitions of the fate that await the American people should they be deluded into a perpetuation of this institution or the establishment of another like it. I am one of those who do not believe that a national debt is a national blessing, but rather a curse to a republic; inasmuch as it is calculated to raise around the administration a moneyed aristocracy dangerous to the liberties of the country."

Abraham Lincoln, $5 bill, 1¢ coin:

"The money powers prey upon the nation in times of peace and conspire against it in times of adversity. It is more despotic than a monarchy, more insolent than autocracy, and more selfish than bureaucracy. It denounces as public enemies all who question its methods or throw light upon its crimes. I have two great enemies, the Southern Army in front of me and the bankers in the rear. Of the two, the one at my rear is my greatest foe."

Andrew Jackson, $20 bill:

"Gentlemen, I have had men watching you for a long time and I am convinced that you have used the funds of the bank to speculate in the breadstuffs of the country. When you won, you divided the profits amongst you, and when you lost, you charged it to the bank. You tell me that if I take the deposits from the bank and annul its charter, I shall ruin ten thousand families. That may be true, gentlemen, but that is your sin! Should I let you go on, you will ruin fifty thousand families, and that would be my sin! You are a den of vipers and thieves. I intend to rout you out, and by the Eternal God, I will rout you out... If people only understood the rank injustice of the money and banking system, there would be a revolution by morning."

Benjamin Franklin, $100 bill:

"The refusal of King George to allow the colonies to operate an honest money system, which freed the ordinary man from clutches of the money manipulators was probably the prime cause of the revolution"

Ulysses S. Grant, $50 bill:

"The government should create, issue, and circulate all the currency and credit needed to satisfy the spending power of the government and the buying power of consumers. The privilege of creating and issuing money is not only the supreme prerogative of government, but it is the government’s greatest creative opportunity. The financing of all public enterprise, and the conduct of the treasury will become matters of practical administration. Money will cease to be master and will then become servant of humanity."

Franklin Delano Roosevelt, 10¢ coin:

"The real truth of the matter is that a financial element in the large centers has owned the government since the days of Andrew Jackson."

John Fitzgerald Kennedy, 50¢ coin:

"For we are opposed around the world by a monolithic and ruthless conspiracy that relies on covert means for expanding its sphere of influence--on infiltration instead of invasion, on subversion instead of elections, on intimidation instead of free choice, on guerrillas by night instead of armies by day. It is a system which has conscripted vast human and material resources into the building of a tightly knit, highly efficient machine that combines military, diplomatic, intelligence, economic, scientific and political operations."

You want irony? This is the hydrogen bomb of irony. We believe these men upheld the values that our money system represents, therefore most people simply do. not. question.

To put these men's faces on our currency is flat out the absolute most outrageous posthumous insult they could possibly endure.

[–]Cubetacular 1 point2 points ago

The stupidity of Christian-Americans and often non-Christians is that they think "god" refers to the Christian God. One of the main reasons we have "God" in anything in the US goes back to Locke, whom we based out basic tenants of freedom on. Locke said "God Given Rights." Why did he add God? Because, if they are man-given-rights then man can change them or deny them. If they are God-given, then no man can ever challenge, change or deny them without going against God.

[–]CitationX_N7V11C 1 point2 points ago

Maybe because that man was content to let others believe what they wanted to instead of being a huge jerk about it. http://imgur.com/gallery/Z4ppG

[–]Hans_Wurst 1 point2 points ago

Isn't it far more ironic that we stamp that next to Sacagawea on the dollar coin?

[–]Icebawks 1 point2 points ago

It's not Irony at all, nickels are 75% copper and 25% nickel. Zero iron actually.

[–]mordredp 1 point2 points ago

I don't understand why most american people assume that when one's mentioning god, it must be the Christians' idea of God.

[–]richertai 4 points5 points ago

BOY THIS IS JUST AS COMPELLING AS THE LAST FIVE HUNDRED TIMES IT WAS POSTED AND IS COMPLETELY FACTUALLY ACCURATE.

[–]slackerdc 2 points3 points ago

Ugh Jefferson rejected a lot of what Christianity had to say but he was a theist none the less.

[–]Cameltoezors 4 points5 points ago

*Deist

[–]buster_casey 3 points4 points ago

Deism is a form of theism.

[–]chris_cobra 2 points3 points ago

jefferson is totally giving that sentence "the look" too, like, "soon, you will vanish!"

[–]hacksoncode 1 point2 points ago

It would be irony if they intentionally put the message on there to convey something about religious tensions and the reasoning behind religious freedom.

As it is, it's just a repost.

[–]Lunights 0 points1 point ago

They might mean the Einsteinian "God", which just means the natural order of the world.

[–]BlueRaspberry 0 points1 point ago

I don't care so much about "In God We Trust" being on our money because money pretty much is my god.

[–]JollyRoger777 0 points1 point ago

Susan B. Anthony is on a coin. She was a non-believer. There you go.

[–]ImNotGayDude 0 points1 point ago

I don't know about his beliefs. But I do believe that he has a rather large package.

[–]sinner_di 0 points1 point ago

That is not iro... you know what, fuck it.

[–]garishbourne 0 points1 point ago

I think it's funnier that we still call it a Nickel. I couldn't figure out how to work an Iron/irony pun in their. Sorry.

[–]kazrael02 0 points1 point ago

Well, we also had indians on our coins at one point, and we exterminated them in the name of said god....

[–]VanceOWSLA 0 points1 point ago

If I didn't read the small caption, I would've said "That's not irony, that's nickely".

[–]luissy_F_baybeh 0 points1 point ago

that's why he is mad doggin' the shit out of it.

[–]OnionWillDesecrate 0 points1 point ago

MAYBE THAT'S THE JOKE?

[–]Duthos 0 points1 point ago

American is a unique language that appears the same as english at first blush, but the meanings are all reversed.

This makes for some interesting diplomacy, and quite a few misunderstandings as to their goals.

[–]Uono 0 points1 point ago

Keep upvoting posts that are incorrect guys. If the trend continues, the front page will be just like watching Fox News. Full of misinformation!

[–]BelievesInGod 0 points1 point ago

that is really ironic...

[–]holyghosttown 0 points1 point ago

In protest you /r/atheism people should quit using money with those words on it. Oh wait...you couldn't get any karma. Or electricity, or food, or shelter....

[–]scottmale24 0 points1 point ago

That's... that's the stupidest argument I've ever heard.

[–]holyghosttown 0 points1 point ago

Not really. It's a point I'm making. Everyone here is 100% atheist...as long as it doesn't fuck with their daily routine.

[–]juggaloholocaust 0 points1 point ago

Why not christians cant use computers has been made and upvoted 1000 times here .

[–]Zaramoth 0 points1 point ago

I thought it was more Nickley than Irony, but oh well.

[–]charliebrownjohn 0 points1 point ago

Or we all down vote this Thomas Jefferson was an atheist posts to an oblivion

[–]notblake987 0 points1 point ago

I thought this was going to be a metals joke.

[–]TheFarseer 0 points1 point ago

Sorry if someone else pointed this out already but...

Irony: Only in America do we engrave "liberty" next to the portrait of a slave holder.

[–]Impetus1 0 points1 point ago

Stone have said he's a Deist actually.

[–]KillerTheMike 0 points1 point ago

It’s not if he was an Atheist, Deist or Christian the irony here is that he was a strong supporter of the separation of church and state

[–]azurewitch 0 points1 point ago

Thank you tothemooninaballoon...and vambot5

I was just about to say how this is an uneducated statement and not very witty at all.

[–]n3rfh3rd3r 0 points1 point ago

He believed, just hated organized religion. Nice try though.

[–]petercameronbacon 0 points1 point ago

lol. Iron-y.

[–]ilikeyourusername 0 points1 point ago

Less irony, more nickely.

[–]supahsonicboom 0 points1 point ago

It's annoying how everyone is calling this picture out, yet it still has over 1k upvotes.

[–]bellabob 0 points1 point ago

I went to Monticello last month, and our tour guide (an older lady) said that he was a christian "In the sense that he followed Jesus' teachings".

[–]yep45 0 points1 point ago

Irony: bashing religious people for being illogical and stupid

...while claiming that a theist/deist is an atheist

[–]HeroicDanger 0 points1 point ago

God, in this context, is the Founding Fathers themselves.

American society is built around appealing to authority on moral issues. For many, that is God or a religious figure. For others, is the Founding Fathers which they seemingly obsess what it is they would do in this situation. They have been lionised and deified, like men 250 years ago have any insight into the moralities today. This is like using the morality of James III whilst fightimg Hitler

[–]Jeezafobic 0 points1 point ago

I'm glad someone noticed. You get nutcases like Palin speaking about these guys in prayer-like tones. They did a good job, and it has been greatly revised over time. The Teabaggershoots treat these guys like royalty or gods.

[–]DaveLeGato 0 points1 point ago

i'm sure a lot of people won't agree with me but, although i'm an atheist for some reason i like phrases like 'in god we trust' because when i hear them the last thing that comes to mind is the god of the christians/catholics, in cases like that the word god evokes thoughts about the human will, the power of nature, the universe etc... it's like a metaphor of the big mysteries and big things instead of some retarded idea about an invisible overlord

[–]sojalemmi 0 points1 point ago

I feel the same way.

I get it, but I don't understand why so many people shit their pants by sayings like "in god we trust" and "under god". Its like they just like being offended or mad about something. Its not like the saying is "in christianity we trust" or "under religion" or anything like that.

[–]DaveLeGato 0 points1 point ago

it's called "dogmatism", surprisingly a lot of atheists are very dogmatic

now that's an irony

[–]MrZomgre 0 points1 point ago

/headshake

[–]FattyMcButterstick 0 points1 point ago

I think it's more ironic that Jackson is on the $20.

[–]lexter89 0 points1 point ago

Why? if I may ask

[–]hearsvoices 2 points3 points ago

Jackson hated the national bank. And his actions against it along with the coinage act helped to eventually lead to the Panic of 1837. He apparently felt that state bank notes were of questionable value.

[–]ragault 0 points1 point ago

Read your comment, then your explanation below, and I was pleased. upvote

[–]WhereAmINow 0 points1 point ago

But... But.. I don't know but that doesn't look engraved. Engraving is cutting grooves into something right? I'm not American so I don't recognize the coin, so correct me if i'm wrong.

[–]PancakeFashion 0 points1 point ago

You're right. American coins are stamped. It would be ridiculous to engrave every single coin in circulation.

[–]WhereAmINow 0 points1 point ago

The cost of the cheaper coins would be higher than their actual worth, thereby you would be creating your own inflation, Yay for economics :P

[–]neilmcduck 0 points1 point ago

[–]WhereAmINow 0 points1 point ago

Interesting, It is true they are circulating which after a while pays of the "debt' they caused. Where I'm from (the Netherlands) we got rid of the 1 and 2 eurocents for the reason I mentioned in my last post.

But now I live in spain for 2 months and they still have the 1 and 2 cents in circulation, which is extremely annoying for your wallet.

[–]jimjamAK 0 points1 point ago

Already true for pennies. We're a stupid people sometimes.

[–]desenagrator 0 points1 point ago

So many butthurt people in here. So many.

[–]SgtFrick -2 points-1 points ago

Only in America do we engrave "In God We Truest" next to the profile of a non believer.

FTFY

[–]truthbringerly -1 points0 points ago

Jefferson Bible! I follow it closely! I'm doing at this too much! Fuck you for not wanting to hear my opinions. Good for you you athiest fucks for not listening. I have to listen to your shit questions all day long but i try to post at 10 mins intervals and fuck me right!!! IRONY! 47 seconds remain.

[–]ExcessHuman -1 points0 points ago

The point is that while diest, the one thing Jefferson woud never say is to trust in a God, but rather to trust in the failings of men. Why he helped build such a badass government, sorry they couldn't keep it up in 'merca.

[–]entropy2057 -1 points0 points ago

Everyone needs to stop getting so hung up on the beliefs of historical figures. Quote mining will always make "proving" one position or another tedious at best. Even if you can convince someone that XYZ person was an athiest it's still not a very convincing argument to change their mind (not to mention it's essentially an appeal to authority). Long story short, it's usually a waste of time to discuss.

[–]grospoliner -1 points0 points ago

Please, spare us the fucking nationalism.

[–]ImNotGaryOldman -1 points0 points ago

Nickely

FTFY

[–]Trifur -1 points0 points ago

Only in america do we take an atheist and make him stare at In God We Trust forever. Lesson? Don't fuck with America.

[–]Whompratt -1 points0 points ago

And to think, I was always under the impression Americans didn't get irony... That's quite ironic.

[–]Owlsrule12 -1 points0 points ago

Stuff like this make me proud to be an American atheist, ahead of the curve.

[–]ArcaneMissiles -1 points0 points ago

More like nicklery hehhehheh