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[–]McWhipp 146 points147 points ago

100k and counting, yo. stop complainin

[–]JokersSmile 28 points29 points ago

Try 110K....

[–]puckbiscuit 41 points42 points ago

125k, still unemployed with an engineering degree

[–]PhilibusterAndo 11 points12 points ago

80k in 6.5 years and a masters in architecture to show for it (50k was the 2.5 of grad school) and underemployed. connections man, gotta make more is all i can advise

but who am i to advise?

[–]jaico 8 points9 points ago

If you even have a job in your feild with an architecture degree, you should consider yourself lucky. Last time I heard, architecture has one of the highest rates of unemployment (not surprising given the current economic slump.)

[–]PhilibusterAndo 0 points1 point ago

Yea well I do occasional work for a local engineering firm and occasional work for an architecture firm 2 states away by contract. I do consider myself lucky, but I'm still searching for a full time position.

[–]meow_miau 0 points1 point ago

noooooo i'm going into my 3rd year of undergrad for architecture ): i love it but i'm starting to get worried about getting a job...

[–]PhilibusterAndo 0 points1 point ago

It's beginning to come around for us finally. There are still too many unemployed architects though.

[–]meow_miau 0 points1 point ago

That's good to know. Best of luck to you sir :)

[–]vlozko 4 points5 points ago

That's roughly where I now as a software developer. $25k for me would be heavenly.

Note to self for future reference: don't go to one of the most expensive tech schools in the country. Fortunately for my wife and I, I have learned the errors of my ways and will hopefully pay it off in about 4 more years. It takes a lot of dedication and putting off what we want now (like a house) for when we can actually afford it.

[–]trescoole 3 points4 points ago

Got you beat, 225k from undergrad and grad school. Those people who complain about their 20k, I wipe my ass with 20k

[–]serpentinepad 1 point2 points ago

You and me both, bro.

[–]trescoole 0 points1 point ago

Good to know I'm not alone man. Stay strong!

[–]jason_steakums 3 points4 points ago

65k, but... wait for it...

... for a Bachelor of Fine Arts.

Yeah.

[–]DLDude 7 points8 points ago

Jesus what school costs $125k for a 4-year engineering degree?

[–]look3find3free 4 points5 points ago

A lot of them.

[–]DLDude 3 points4 points ago

But.... why? I mean... when I went to school I chose Ohio State (in-state) over Purdue, which probably saved me $50k and I still got my dream job. Why are people going to $200k schools for a simple engineering degree?

[–]iihatephones 0 points1 point ago

They're starting to charge more. My girlfriend's school of choice recently tripled their tuition fees.

[–]DLDude 0 points1 point ago

... tripled?! Is it a state school?

[–]iihatephones 0 points1 point ago

Yeppers.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point ago

Because we have to, right?

[–]lugnut92 3 points4 points ago

$200k is incredibly common.

[–]DLDude 3 points4 points ago

..... I guess I still don't understand. Tuition at Ohio State was about $9k/yr (In-State). What kind of schools are people going to?!

[–]shelledturtle 1 point2 points ago

I have no idea, but to help with my costs I just finished community college and am transferring. I don't understand why more people don't do this it is what is letting me go to school for relatively cheap to get the same degree.

[–]DLDude 2 points3 points ago

For those on a REAL tight budget, i agree with you. I will say, however, that my first 2 years at a university really helped me expand myself socially. I went from a very shy kid to a very mature, confident, and professional man. This wasn't due to just BEING there, I made an effort to get that way, but being thrown into a dorm with 100 strangers opened my eyes a lot.

[–]lugnut92 1 point2 points ago

I go to RPI.

[–]FeistyCrawfish 1 point2 points ago

In-State is typically incredibly cheap compared to out of state.

[–]drunk_dean_martin 0 points1 point ago

Law school... it's a mother fucker

[–]DLDude 0 points1 point ago

Grad school I can understand.

[–]puckbiscuit 1 point2 points ago

Out of state tuition at Georgia Tech does... Though I also had to pay for housing and other various school expenses with loans and do two summer semesters in there. It all added up real quick.

[–]DLDude 7 points8 points ago

Not trying to be a douche but:

  1. Why did you go out of state?

  2. Did you do any internships?

I went to Ohio State (In-State) and my 5 years there ran me about $50k. I'm surprised you're unemployed. I ran with a group of about 6 engineers and every one of us got a job before we graduated. Actually... i can't think of anyone in my graduating class that didnt. What was your major?

[–]Thor_2099 1 point2 points ago

I went out of state when i chose my undergraduate because I wanted to get out of MS and wanted a higher quality education which I got but definitely paid for.

[–]puckbiscuit 0 points1 point ago

  1. I felt like my state didn't offer the quality that I was looking for for Aerospace Engineering. It was either go to a school that isn't in the top for the major, or pay about double and go to the #2 school in AE and #4 overall in engineering. I decided to take the gamble and pay for the much higher level.

  2. No and that has always been my biggest mistake. I wish I hadn't tried to get out in 4 years (something that rarely ever happens with engineering majors in Georgia Tech) and just extended it a year, and got some experience. The problem I'm running into with finding a job is employers will look at me and go "wow Georgia Tech, but we really want someone with a bit more professional experience." In this economy it seems that companies don't want to take a risk on someone who has no professional experience (I have plenty of design experience however).

Most of the engineers I know that have jobs and had no problem had coops or internships on there. But I'm not trying to sound like I'm complaining about being unemployed, its only been 2 months and I'm still pretty optimistic I'll find something within this next month or so.

[–]DLDude 0 points1 point ago

Did the school have a career development service? Ohio State had an organization that actually hooked you up with job opportunities and interviews, both for internships and for fulltime. Most of my friends got jobs through it (almost all of them in fact). I imagine a top-teir engineering school would have no problem attracting companies. If you're only 2 months out of school, you should still be able to use that service. I used mine a year after (I took a job with an upstart, thought it was going to tank, and got a few interviews from Ohio State in case). I actually got a job offer, but turned it down due to my current company bouncing back.

[–]JokersSmile 1 point2 points ago

you win :(

Not sure if good thing or bad thing?

[–]wutz 2 points3 points ago

bad

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points ago

guys, guys, this is not a contest. $1000222 k

no lie.....

[–]faismus 1 point2 points ago

Move to Alberta. Nuff said. You'll find a job as an engineer pretty much guaranteed. Plus Canada and stuff.

[–]BurnInNeverland 1 point2 points ago

well shit, the reason i'm studying engineering is for job security....

[–]petey1gwc 3 points4 points ago

They're available, just make sure your gpa isn't shit, just sayin

[–]puckbiscuit 2 points3 points ago

Hah I have over a 3.0 from one of the top engineering schools. I agree, but as an addition, make sure you do an intern/coop or get some kind of professional experience instead of rushing to finish. That's been my problem

[–]windg0d 0 points1 point ago

Flee to canada?

[–]persunx 6 points7 points ago

I'm with this guy, I'm down to 40K and been paying for nearly 8 years now.

[–]Vimsefreet 2 points3 points ago

I've been studying for 4 years. Got 30k in debt. Of which the state paid 15k.

[–]chicarrones 1 point2 points ago

Try private undergrad stacked on out of state law school, then call me.

[–]windg0d 0 points1 point ago

Flee to canada?

[–]stinkybaby[S] -1 points0 points ago

If it makes you feel better my debt is growing because of nurse practitioner school...

[–]iihatephones 38 points39 points ago

25k in student loans?

How cute.

[–]amazinz5 45 points46 points ago

"stop complaining about student loans; because look at all these student loans i have"

[–]Zodiwacts123 0 points1 point ago

What i don't understand is each person makes the decision to get the student loans. With that decision made, why are you allowed to complain when you had the option to not do it?

[–]paperbunniesx 1 point2 points ago

Most people are young and undereducated when they make the decision so they underestimate dat shit with all the interest and weak job market and whatnot

[–]Kevin15Millar 22 points23 points ago

" Wah Wah I think I have it tough so no one else can complain"

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[–]iamrandomname 27 points28 points ago

Agreed, each year in college alone racks up 25k in loans for me

[–]bdepz 9 points10 points ago

Each year, I know people who each semester rack up 25k in loans. 'murica

[–]Im_smarter_than_you -4 points-3 points ago

This has nothing to do with america and everything to do with people choosing the most expensive schools possible. You can get a fine education in american for a few thousand dollars a year.

[–]AlxSully 1 point2 points ago

Please, please show me one accredited college or university where tuition only costs $3,000 a year.

I would transfer in a heartbeat.

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[–]Shizly 0 points1 point ago

I only have to pay 1800EUR a year and the gov give me 250EUR a month to pay for college, so I think there is still some improvement to do. 'rope

[–]barpidone 6 points7 points ago

Yep. I'm sitting on about 80k here.

[–]thecityboy 14 points15 points ago

At 200k common sense dictates you should not study at this school...25k on the other hand could still be reasonable.

[–]mike45010 14 points15 points ago

Most medical students amass around this amount for their degrees. it's actually fairly common. Average debt for a good law school is usually around 100k too.

[–]thecityboy 2 points3 points ago

Ok, in that case I must admit it might make sense because the payoff is huge in medicine. Most degrees however won't give you such opportunities that you can ever pay off those 200.000.

[–]mike45010 7 points8 points ago

To your point, i do have friends that have been in school for 7 years, racking up 6 figure debt. Some people are just stupid.

[–]thecityboy 1 point2 points ago

Right now the best deal is to learn a foreign language like German, Swedish, Norwegian, Dutch, French and go study in Europe.

[–]paradoxical_reaction 2 points3 points ago

It depends on what specialty you get into, and how long the residency/fellowship will take.

Internal medicine and primary care/family medicine are the ones with dire need for good physicians, but the average pay in my area is roughly $150-200k.

[–]thecityboy 2 points3 points ago

But that's still a high pay as compared to other degrees. With such pay it is realistic to pay off these kinds of loans. Also from some of the more high paying jobs you have to subtract the higher malpractice insurance premiums. A friend of mine is making 300k, but has to pay 150k in MI premiums.

[–]thatsnotminesir 1 point2 points ago

THIS. Please make sure you have the return on investment before you take out 6 figure loans. If you are going to be a doctor or a lawyer, then by all means rack that debt up. If you want a bachelors in South American art appreciation....you probably shouldn't hit those loans to hard.

[–]emmers00 2 points3 points ago

Refinement: If you're going to be a doctor or lawyer MAKING A LOT OF MONEY, rack that debt up. There are a million (hyperbole, but not as much as you would think) law schools out there that charge kids the same tuition as Harvard Law but leave them with job prospects about equal to someone with an associate degree from a community college.

[–]josiahlo 5 points6 points ago

Unless it's medical school I can't comprehend 200k in debt. That's a pretty nice house in my city

[–]thatsnotminesir 1 point2 points ago

Or law school. But if its not Med or Law school, you really shouldn't be dropping more than 50k. Pick affordable schools and degrees you can make a career out of.

[–]PetitCrabe 2 points3 points ago

Right. I had to get up in the morning at ten o'clock at night half an hour before I went to bed, drink a cup of sulphuric acid, work twenty-nine hours a day down mill, and pay mill owner for permission to come to work, and when we got home, our Dad and our mother would kill us and dance about on our graves singing Hallelujah.

[–]mike45010 3 points4 points ago

You do realize how incredibly condescending you sound right?

[–]biochem2521 3 points4 points ago

I think that might actually be the point of the post. $25k is really really good for student debt, I know my debt is similar, and it's because I worked 30 hr/wk to pay off some tuition out of pocket, even though every semester I take 18 credits and I'm going for biochem. Other people's parents probably help them out by giving money and signing loans. Those people get upset when their parents stop giving them money and then have to live in the real world to pay everything off, but this person has been doing it the whole time. I think that's what they're trying to say with this post.

TLDR: Their student loans are so low because they worked their way through college, while other people's parents helped them.

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[–]ramblingpariah 4 points5 points ago

A job at McD's will NOT pay that off in a decade unless you live a magic existence. :D

[–]rachelspinsnyc 1 point2 points ago

Sitting on about 90k for undergrad - didn't know what I was doing. Now I'm 25 and bank approx $500/month after my bills are done (in a well and skilled professional position). It will be like this for awhile.

[–]Idontlikekarmawhores 0 points1 point ago

"well skilled professional" LOL

[–]DragonDiarrhea 1 point2 points ago

Relax buddy...

[–]stinkybaby[S] -4 points-3 points ago

I think the point of this was to illustrate how people whose parents' pay for everything still complain about having no money. In almost any situation there is always going to be someone in a worse spot than you. Don't be so butthurt

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[–]blakphyre 3 points4 points ago

Plenty of countries don't pay for school. Where we're from this is normal. Fuck off, not everyone with student loans is from Murcia.

[–]kubananas -2 points-1 points ago

Sounds like a bad in vestment.

[–]goldenshower 9 points10 points ago

You don't have it as bad as me so I don't feel bad for you. But please, feel sorry for me.

[–]linkkjm 0 points1 point ago

You have just summed up all of Reddit.

[–]Filmmaker_mike 8 points9 points ago

Reading the comments here just made me feel better about myself.

[–]maxwell7301 2 points3 points ago

I had about 25K in loans from undergrad. Now, I rack up at least 30K every year for medical school, and it's a state school. I'll have at least $150,000 total debt when all is done, and I'll start my career at the age of 30 or so.

[–]josiahlo 0 points1 point ago

Friend in a similar situation he's 27 I believe and just started his residency. He's at 150k in debt but honestly you'll be making bank after 30 right? It's quite a commitment so I commend you for it!

[–]maxwell7301 1 point2 points ago

Well, I'll probably be comfortable at some point, but it's tough to start a career after 30, especially with all the debt. Med school is really hard, but Honestly, I can't believe I'm even doing this. I never thought I would get in.

[–]Aurorae 6 points7 points ago

Graduated with 55k in December. Down to 30k and expect to pay it off by this December.

[–]HawkShark 0 points1 point ago

What's the degree in, and what do you do that allows you to pay off that much so quickly?

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[–]HawkShark 2 points3 points ago

You must've hit a nerve. Your achievement is admirable. Congrats. I'd love more details about your job. Certainly can't hurt to know about other avenues than what I'm on.

[–]Im_smarter_than_you 0 points1 point ago

I'm considering consulting as well. Are financial or management? At one of the big 5?

[–]Aurorae 0 points1 point ago

I actually do technology consulting, though my firm also does management, financial and human capital consulting. Yes, I work for one of the biggest consulting firms.

[–]josiahlo 0 points1 point ago

You are taking advantage of your situation which is the way to do it. I bet there are many who still would rent in that situation. That alone is saving you tons!

[–]Corgan1351 0 points1 point ago

You're probably being downvoted because you're actually able to pay off your loans (congrats, by the way), which contrasts with everyone's complaints.

[–]Niallo92 1 point2 points ago

I'm guessing Porn.

[–]WhatsAFratStar 7 points8 points ago

Paying this much for an undergrad degree is idiotic. The year you graduate you should make the amount that you paid to go to school or more. For example, I applied for scholarships etc...and paid about 10k per year out of pocket. My first job is paying over 40k. Americans put too much value in where they go to college and in going away to school and all that. My advice to the world is to live within your means and don't put yourself 100k in debt for undergrad so you can go to a big party school.

[–]EyMAPNess 0 points1 point ago

It's not the 'consumer' that sets the value-usually it's the universities. But they are crooks.

I think expecting to be able to pay off all of your schooling in one year of work isn't very reasonable, at least in the cases of university majors. But students should be able to pay for each year of schooling with an equal length of work (4 years of school paid in 4 years of work)- while the student is also living comfortably.

[–]WhatsAFratStar 0 points1 point ago

I may have misspoken, I dont mean to say that all loans should be paid back that first year, rather that your salary should match or come close to matching what it cost you to go to school.

[–]deadendcruiser 1 point2 points ago

Same here but I took my general classes at the community college. My debt will be far less. Also jobs don't ever look at where you started school they just care where you graduated from.

[–]Im_smarter_than_you 0 points1 point ago

Also jobs don't ever look at where you started school they just care where you graduated from.

This is simply not true. My boss went through my transcript with me line by line and asked questions about every relevant course.

[–]deadendcruiser 0 points1 point ago

It's true in most cases. What do you do for a living?

[–]Im_smarter_than_you 0 points1 point ago

Financial analyst and consultant

[–]deadendcruiser 0 points1 point ago

Oooh, would you call it your passion in life? My best friend is currently getting his masters in either accounting or finance, I'm not sure which one because I believe he switched just before his senior year. I hope you have hobbies outside of work, that can be a difficult job to do.

[–]Im_smarter_than_you 0 points1 point ago

Oooh, would you call it your passion in life? My best friend is currently getting his masters in either accounting or finance, I'm not sure which one because I believe he switched just before his senior year. I hope you have hobbies outside of work, that can be a difficult job to do.

Yes, I love what I do and the people I work with. And either degree is great. My undergrad was in accounting and finance, and I got my CPA and spent 2yrs at a big 4 firm. I have plenty of time for hobbies. There are only a handful of people my employer requires to work > 40 hrs a week. Mostly executives and directors.

[–]deadendcruiser 0 points1 point ago

:) That's awesome, I'm really happy when I hear stories like this. When you're in college all you hear is negative things about how no one will get a job or they'll be absolutely miserable. You're living the dream!

[–]Im_smarter_than_you 0 points1 point ago

The unemployment rate among college graduates is less than 5%. Prepare for your interviews and you'll be fine.

[–]deadendcruiser 0 points1 point ago

Yes but the unemployment percentage is only of those who are currently looking but still havent been hired.

Personally, I think many graduates get a degree at 22, apply at a few places but have very little to no experience with any job so they never get called back. Then they give up and go sulk at their parent's house. I've been working since I was sixteen and I'm confident that means something.

Anyways, great advice! You're a stand up fellow.

[–]thatsnotminesir 0 points1 point ago

I WISH I would have done this. While my overall debt load wasn't bad since I went to a state school, my GPA would have been a hell of a lot better. Seriously guys, do your first year or two at a community college. They don't call it high school with ash trays for nothing.

[–]Brockbfball1563 1 point2 points ago

$110k, have a decent job though, but not enough to get rid of them anytime soon. :(

[–]ghettajetta 1 point2 points ago

20k in student loans, 152k in the form of a 30 year fixed mortgage. 25 years old, not married. 15 dollars an hour, and 400 a month from a roommate. It's tough, but it is possible.

[–]ajh1717 1 point2 points ago

125k? Shit! I'd kill for that. My school (top 10 engineering school in the country) costs 50-52 grand a year. You do the math.

[–]Stalejokesbakedfresh 1 point2 points ago

There's always someone with a bigger problem.

A child's father abuses him. But he's not homeless.

A man loses an arm. But he hasn't lost both.

A college graduate has a bit of debt, and his parents won't help pay it. But at least he's not a college graduate with a relatively small amount of...okay, I feel like my example kind of fell apart there.

[–]Isbleeding 3 points4 points ago

I give my parents money because they are in a financial hardship

[–]EyMAPNess 1 point2 points ago

You are a proper sir, or madam. I cannot wait until I can start trying to pay my parents back for all that they have done for me!

[–]deadendcruiser 3 points4 points ago

I don't feel bad for you. If you didn't want such high student loan debt then you should have taken your general education classes at community college. $25k is the price for living the college dream, buddy.

[–]thatsnotminesir 1 point2 points ago

But but but...I want to live in the dorms and join a frat and party at the best party school! Yeah, 4 years of sex, drugs, and booze with a minimum 2.0 GPA on my bachelor's in liberal arts!

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[–]Elasti-Girl 10 points11 points ago

Now you're bitching about not having to pay for housing or food? Dude. Seriously.

[–]josiahlo 1 point2 points ago

I would love someone to make a poll on how much they have in student loans and what degree they ended up getting. Clearly someone of these amounts are very high and that would be okay in say a medical profession but some I just don't understand.

My entire schooling cost me 27k (2 year community, 2 year state). I paid community college upfront as it was $3500 a year. Got a 40k job lined up before graduation (internships helped quite a bit) and paid off my loans in 2 years.

[–]Im_smarter_than_you 2 points3 points ago

I feel like a 40k job would not be worth the 4 years of school.

[–]josiahlo 0 points1 point ago

I'm working on my Cisco certifications now and it was 0 experience job. All said and done I should be in the 60-80k range after some experience and certifications. This is also in the Midwest if that helps (2500 sq ft house that is less then 15 years old runs runs under 200k)

[–]shelledturtle 1 point2 points ago

This is what I am doing, I don't understand why everyone insists on not doing the community college route.

For me the university profs moonlit at the community college, so I end up with the exact same teaching for a small fraction of the University cost.

Hopefully I can find those internships to land me job.

[–]Vivalayeo 1 point2 points ago

To most of the people in this thread. Just because your number is higher doesn't make you better. Also sorry to say but US College fees are ridiculous compared to the UK and the rest of Europe, you are being ripped off.

[–]shelledturtle 2 points3 points ago

They are ridiculous, but most people with extremely large debt are not looking at the responsible way to get a degree. Most try and jump straight to the most fun University they can get into without looking at the price tag. There are many ways to get an affordable degree in the United States. Such as focusing on actual school work and using this in applying for scholarships and grants, working while attending school, and using the community college/transfer route; hell you could even combine a few here. If school is looked upon responsibly it can be done with minimal debt.

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[–]stinkybaby[S] 1 point2 points ago

I am a nurse too, getting a 4 year degree from a University will get your more job opportunities and will allow you to grow professionally and further your education, so that's why I did it. Good luck making 60k as a new nurse... then again maybe you live somewhere that pays better than me.

[–]josiahlo 0 points1 point ago

Fiancée just graduated In the Midwest as a nurse . I think she'll be making 45k or so. Clearly isnt hard for nurses to find a job. She got job offered at all three hospitals she applied to in the area. Maybe a higher cost of living area like CA or NY and I can see a nurse making 60k

[–]stinkybaby[S] 1 point2 points ago

Yeah I make about that much in Florida

[–]pinetar321 0 points1 point ago

haha try 350k in debt from dental school and undergrad... then we can talk

[–]LupusArctosZ 1 point2 points ago

Hahaha.... $25K? I think I had that after my freshman year. I'm now about to finish my MA...

[–]mike45010 -5 points-4 points ago

I get sick and tired of people complaining about college debt... correct me if i'm wrong but did you not choose to go to college knowing that you would acquire that much debt? If you were a more prudent person, you might have worked for a few years to save money for college rather than go right in, load yourself with interest-accruing debt, and then complaining about rich kids on the internet. No one wants to hear about your precariously stupid decisions and listen to you whine.

[–]RinkuTheFirst[!] 10 points11 points ago

I can only go to school because I have a full-tuition scholarship to my school, and I usually qualify for a good amount in Pell Grants. This past year, I did have to take out a small loan (2k) to cover what those did not.

If I had taken a year off, I would have lost my scholarship to this school. That's the way a lot of scholarships work, they're only for people coming in straight from high school. Without my scholarship, I'd have to take out at least 8k in loans each year just to cover tuition. Why on earth would I make that stupid choice and delay myself from getting a degree which will get me a better job?

Let's say I did take a year off, working minimum wage, full-time (nevermind the likelihood of finding a full-time minimum wage job in this economy.) I'd make $15,080 in a year, before taxes. Factoring in taxes, I'd take home about $12,896. Now, let's factor in some other costs:

Car Insurance: $100/month (good luck getting a cheaper rate as an 18 year old driver) which is $1,200/year.

Gas: Let's say you drive a car that gets 30mpg (generous, considering as an 18 year old, you probably can't afford a car with gas mileage that good, but let's just assume) and has a 13 gallon tank. Let's also say you have to drive 5 miles to your workplace (again, generous.) That's a ten mile roundtrip, which means you use a gallon of gas every three days. Since you're probably working five days a week to get to 40 hours per week, you will have to fill up every 39 days. That's if you were purely going to work on that. You of course have other errands to run, things to do, etc. So, we'll cut that down to a fillup every 35 days. At current gas prices, which in my area is $2.97/gallon (an extreme low for the year, it's usually not like this, so don't get used to it) is $38.61. You'll have to fill up about 11 times per year, which will add up to $424.71.

This is all assuming you already have a car. Maybe your parents were nice and got you a gently used, slightly older car for graduation that will serve you well. Maybe they didn't, and you have to buy a $400 rusted out Pinto that barely runs. Let's be positive for now though.

Car Maintenance: $500/year. There's lots of routine work that you have to constantly do that adds up. This is also accounting for anything that might happen, (such as the engine dying, needing a new battery, radiator overheating) that insurance won't cover.

You might say, "You don't need a car." In an area with a wonderful public transportation service, this might be true. In America though, these are few and far between. Not having a car is a major barrier to employment. Employers are not legally supposed to discriminate against hiring you for not having a car, but we all know what really happens.

Food: $120/month, to get enough food to have three well-balanced meals each day. No need to be malnourished. If you're malnourished and tired, your job performance is likely to suffer and you might have your hours cut, or you might even be fired. Maybe you qualify for foodstamps, but you probably won't. $1,440/year

Rent: $350/month or $3,780/year. This is a really generous estimate too. You might say, "Just stay at home with your parents!" This is a viable option for those whose parents don't kick them out at 18. Hopefully you can stay with them, and hopefully they won't ask you to pay them rent.

Utilities: $100/month and $1,200/year. That's just electricity, water, and maybe sanitation.

Misc.: You're going to need toiletries like toilet paper, soap, toothpaste, deoderant, etc. Don't tell me you expect someone to have no personal hygiene and keep a job. We'll say this is about $20/month and $240/year.

So, overall you've got: $8,544.71 in expenses. Hope you never get sick or need dental work, because even if you're on your parents' insurance (which people like Romney are trying to do away with), you're still going to be stuck paying a copay (depending on your insurance, it can be as little as $25 or as much as $150.) Don't forget things that insurance won't cover, all the things your insurance company will try to deny coverage for, and all the stress you'll be put under from fighting tooth and nail with them about.

So, of a take-home pay of $12,896 you spend about $8,544.71 just getting by. This leaves you with a profit of $4351.29. That would pay for about one semester of tuition at my university, which is one of the cheapest around.

So, basically, you slave away, living in the bare minimum conditions, to make a tiny dent in a tuition cost that is constantly rising at outrageous rates.

I'm sorry sir, but it is just no longer financially sensible to try to save up all the money to go to college. The costs will outpace your earnings before you can even blink.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points ago

$4,351.00 is a decent chunk of change for a worst case scenario (not everyone's parents are tight buttholes, mine make me pay 150 a month and let me use their spare car) that's almost a years tuition at my community college.

EDIT: Also the injury thing, just don't be stupid and don't go to the hospital...if you do its your fault and you were stupid not thinking about your future, not society's fault for giving you a low paying job.

[–]DefinitelyRelephant 23 points24 points ago

If you were a more prudent person, you might have worked for a few years to save money for college rather than go right in

Dear asshole from the 1980's,

One cannot pay for college with a single part time job anymore. In fact, a dual-income family today makes less than a single-income family did in the 1950's, after you adjust for inflation.

The costs of living have skyrocketed, wages have not even kept up with inflation.

Regards,

The real world.

[–]52ndPercentile -1 points0 points ago

My wife got a masters last year. At her BA she had about $5000 in debt, but by the time she had her masters it was paid off as she was living within her means. Don't be mistaken, she didn't get to party on the weekends or go for trips when her wealthier friends did, but at the end of the day she did just fine. She waited tables at a cafe. Also, asshole from the 2010's, you can go to school with a full time job now.

[–]DefinitelyRelephant 0 points1 point ago

If you can get hired.

Also, the jobs you're talking about aren't the kind of jobs anyone can get.

You're not paying your way through a Master's in 2012 waiting tables (not unless you're a hot little number in a cocktail dress serving tables at an upscale place downtown where the businessmen tip $200 a head).

You're certainly not paying your way through a Master's in 2012 washing dishes, or flipping burgers, or mowing lawns.

You need a "real" job. If not a white collar one, at least one that both pays the cost of living and pays your tuition.

And yes, you can apply for scholarships and grants. Unfortunately, even when you do qualify, a lot of times the dollar amounts just don't cover everything.

People need more than a "maybe" to base their entire futures on.

[–]52ndPercentile -2 points-1 points ago

My wife waited tables at a chain diner where she mostly worked mornings. Her average tips were about $120/day. This type job is not that hard to come by. She had to work hard to get premium shifts and work every time someone else took the day off, but she did it. She made about $2500-$3000/month. Tuition was a few grand 3 times a year at a CSU.
Here is a current cost estimate from CSULA.
A small apartment at $500 and lots of home cooked meals. When she got her BA she quit and went to a local non profit servicing wic as a case manager. She quit that and went back to the better money at waiting tables. It was harder, but it paid the bills.

To add insult to injury, about 1/3 of her tuition went to giving other people grants so they could hang out at the pub and drop out their sophomore year. We could have applied that 1/3 to her 2/3 and paid 1/3 of what we did pay. There's one way to make school affordable. Make people pay for it.

[–]DefinitelyRelephant 1 point2 points ago

My wife waited tables at a chain diner where she mostly worked mornings. Her average tips were about $120/day. This type job is not that hard to come by.

Not if you're young and you have nice tits, no.

A small apartment at $500

You're lucky to get an efficiency for $725 where I live. Costs differ depending on where you're located.

To add insult to injury, about 1/3 of her tuition went to giving other people grants so they could hang out at the pub and drop out their sophomore year.

Oh, you're one of those people. I suppose you don't like paying taxes, either.

Tell you what, go live in a cabin in the woods and don't come crying to the rest of society when it burns down with your whole family in it because you didn't want to live near some other socialized services like fire departments.

[–]52ndPercentile -2 points-1 points ago

Your ignorance impresses me.

Oh, you're one of those people. I suppose you don't like paying taxes, either.

I don't like paying taxes for services that aren't available to me. My taxes already fund state schools. Now they raise tuition to pay for grants to people who spend their grants on booze and new cars. To add to this, these fees and taxes aren't coming from wall street or any of the other demonized people who are so fun to hate. She was paying them after waiting tables.
I'm glad that you think society will crumble without paying for your college though. Her graduate class had about 300 people in it. Exactly 9 of those people had a hard science degree. Public administration was well represented. Teachers were well represented. Engineers? 0. How many of the people in your community who make the world turn or build something had one of your precious $100k educations. How many people who collect a government check as a bureaucrat? There is a reason your degree has less value than cost. Everyone has one and no one can do anything with it. If most of these graduates had skills, they would be employed. They lack skill, what they have is knowledge. They were never taught to apply that knowledge. Your average college graduate can't fix a car, fix a pipe, run a power plant, or determine why a breaker tripped. This is why the drop out mechanic, plumber, operator, and electrician are all making more money than you and have near full employment and on the job training.

[–]DefinitelyRelephant 1 point2 points ago

My taxes already fund state schools. Now they raise tuition to pay for grants to people who spend their grants on booze and new cars.

You're right, no one ever uses grants for school! DOWN WITH GRANTS!

She was paying them after waiting tables.

And making $120/day in tips alone. Cry me a fucking river. Your wife was obviously attractive and leveraging it. Not everyone has that option.

I'm glad that you think society will crumble without paying for your college though.

I earned my college money, thank you very much. Not that it's any of your goddamn business.

Her graduate class had about 300 people in it. Exactly 9 of those people had a hard science degree.

Irrelevant. What people choose to study has no impact on whether they should have the opportunity to study it.

Engineers? 0.

Yep. You're one of those people.

When you come down from your ivory tower, Pointdexter, we can have a discussion.

Until then, get HIV and die slowly.

There is a reason your degree has less value than cost.

You have no idea how much my degree costs, and if you had bothered to peruse my posting history even badly you never would have let something so ignorant get past your edits.

Die in a fire, you elitist shit.

[–]DingleberrySprinkles 5 points6 points ago

Gee, I guess I should have foresaw the whole economic collapse, graduating in 6 years instead of four because I had no idea what I wanted to do with my life, and yearly tuition increases of 6-10%, all when I was 18 years old. How dumb of me.

[–]rachelspinsnyc 6 points7 points ago

Not everyone knew what that meant at the time and many of us are talented individuals who, in reality, should not have had a problem being successful with right education. Jokes on us.

[–]Thor_2099 0 points1 point ago

Exactly. I'm a smart guy but when I was 18 my attitude was "it's only money" and I had all the intention of being a doctor. As one matures grows things change but unfortunately the debt doesn't.

[–]roadkill845 3 points4 points ago

not sure what you background is, but most highschool kids i knew were thought that after highschool comes collage, and any god collage wont like you "taking a break" between studies. and we are told over and over again how people cant live on minimum wage, and thats all you will get without a degree, and the idea the you can not only live, but save enough money for collage on minimum wage, is ridiculous. and guess what, once you start, you cant stop, because if you do, you have to start paying off those loans with your crap ass job. its not so much a choice to take out all those loans as what everyone tells you that you are suppose to do for your entire life. and saying just work for a while to get the money is like saying "dont take out a loan for that car, just work till you have the money" its hard as hell to get to work without a car, and its hard as hell to pay for collage without a degree. another reason that people cant just take a few years to work, is that most people will forget all that shit they learned in high school over that time, flipping burgers doesn't exactly help you keep sharp on your calculus.

[–]Marty565 6 points7 points ago

I agree with you on some parts but the "collage" part is throwing me off, it should be "college" dude.

[–]mike45010 0 points1 point ago

First off, college*

second, not everyone is entitled to a college degree. some have to work harder than others for it, that is a hard fact of life. I find it a cop out that you compare it to a car loan. One can get around without a college degree, and even depending on where you live, without a car. I know plenty of people that took years off from school to work and save money, or attended community college while working to "stay sharp" and also save money.

[–]BeesBeBees 1 point2 points ago

Fuck you. I'm not sure where you're from or what decade you were raised in, but in many countries, economies are ruined. Bad economy = MUCH fewer jobs = incredibly stiff competition. We are not as free as we would like to think; students are no longer able to simply take a year or two off from their studies to work - you do this, and the college you want to apply to will (quite easily) reject you to accept the more qualified student who didn't skip a year of schooling. This is, of course, unless you intend on enrolling in a community college (or something of this caliber), in which competition is not too big an issue. No one wants to hear about your precariously stupid argument and listen to you whine.

[–]thatsnotminesir -4 points-3 points ago

Upvote for you sir. I racked up about 18k in loans for my bachelors. Went to a state run school with a degree with career potential. Graduated in 2003, got a job in 2004, now its 2012 and I'm almost completely out of debt. I would have loved to go to grad school, but couldn't afford it and the potential return was not worth the added loan investment.

Of course, now that the debt monkey is almost gone I'm thinking about diving back in for another 15K+ to get that Master's. However, I can actually afford it now.

[–]kolossal -5 points-4 points ago

A-FUCKING-MEN

hmm, that sounds gay.

[–]EyMAPNess 0 points1 point ago

Only 25? I currently have about 90k, and by the time I'm done it will likely be closer to half a million. Yay.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points ago

......what the hell are you studying?

[–]thefirdblu 0 points1 point ago

$25k isn't too bad

[–]stinkybaby[S] 0 points1 point ago

thanks

[–]r_hibbs 0 points1 point ago

It's difficult. I'm 60k in debt and it would suck if my parents stopped giving me money. They don't pay for everything, but they help here and there. Every little bit has saved me.

[–]vanilla_d 0 points1 point ago

to lazy to make a meme, paying for it all myself, story over

[–]ShaunBon 0 points1 point ago

Complaining is stupid

[–]alxhaml 0 points1 point ago

I think most of us are in at least that much debt. My parents cut me off after I graduated. Still owe over $27k. So is life.

[–]gnlcwr 0 points1 point ago

Sucks to suck.

[–]mergersnexecutions 0 points1 point ago

50k, and about to take on 20k+ more to go back to school

[–]thunderbrother 0 points1 point ago

DON'T DO IT!!!

[–]mergersnexecutions 0 points1 point ago

Why? Changing careers is a bitch. I got my degree in finance, but I sure as hell am getting out of there.

[–]sraolson 0 points1 point ago

Downvoted for having the least amount of student loan debt ever and complaining about it.

[–]rb7_brady 0 points1 point ago

Fuck you all. I'm 50k in debt. 2 more years to go.

[–]Razorshroud 0 points1 point ago

Yeah not bad :D

I'm glad I'm not in debt. Though I've had to pay for everything I wanted since 14, and everything I NEEDED since graduation. Been making minimum wage-ish jobs since I've started working even though I have advanced certification in press management, prepress design, and lithographic platemaking.

[–]ScottayBoy 0 points1 point ago

Dear Idiots with huge amounts of debt, Go to a cheaper school, pick a reasonable career path, stop dicking around, and get a job (or two). It really isn't hard to go to school and come out with little or no debt if you live within your means and take college seriously. There are many scholarships available to students if you are willing to make the effort to apply for them. Many of the people I go to college with whine about the same shit, but are the ones who are partying their asses of instead of hitting the books, working or applying for scholarships. Also stop fucking going to schools that are so expensive. Undergrad degrees are the same everywhere, if you put them to good use and work hard all of the time. The problem with students of our generation is that they stop working once the school bell rings or when summer starts. Stop whining and fucking do something about it. </rant>

[–]kleinerDAX[!] 0 points1 point ago

Aw, thats cute. 25k. Don't you have it hard?

[–]tom808 0 points1 point ago

I 'm going to leave with about £28,000 debt ($43,917.62 today). It's the last year in the UK that fees will be as cheap as mine. Take that into consideration!

[–]sweYoda 0 points1 point ago

I've got 50k SEK in student loans :>

[–]powdka 0 points1 point ago

How I feel as an Australian with $30k in student debt:

"oh? Americans have to pay their loans back before they actually earn enough to afford it? Sucks to be you!" ;)

[–]Mr_Captain_Fantastic 0 points1 point ago

I have around 25k in student loans but I also graduated with a job that'll allow me to may that off in 2 years maximum.

[–]stalin4prezident 0 points1 point ago

I'm working two jobs and paying for what my scholarships don't cover. So blow me holmes.

[–]PancakeMonkeypants -1 points0 points ago

My mom stopped giving me money when she didn't have any left and got her house foreclosed on while I was moving out. You college kids need to stop thinking you're all so poor and broke for having debt you voluntarily got. Just shut the fuck up.

[–]EyMAPNess 0 points1 point ago

That's rough. I am in college, and plan on Dental school after this. My family has been struggling for years, too. Not eating anything for a day or two is something I've had to do quite a few times. I hope you and your mom are able to turn it around soon!

[–]fluffy402 -2 points-1 points ago

As someone whose parents paid for their college, no one complains.

[–]DingleberrySprinkles 0 points1 point ago

whose, not who is

[–]fluffy402 0 points1 point ago

I can't believe I let that one by me. :(

[–]thatsnotminesir -1 points0 points ago

Got my bachelors for 18k in 2003. Been gainfully employed since 2004. Although now that I've almost got the monkey off my back, I am thinking about diving in again to get my Masters for another 15kish.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points ago

IB student here, scholarships after scholarships, working 3 jobs right now over the summer, taking all my gen eds at community college, work study and internships out the ass every semester, sleeping 6h a night on the clock so i can work and get all my work done and still keep above a 3.0; i'm still gonna end up with about 75k. fuck this shit.

[–]stinkybaby[S] 0 points1 point ago

I don't understand... you are in high school and already predicting that you are going to be 75k in debt?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point ago

No, I was an IB student, now i'm going to be a junior in college.

[–]ipsumdolorsitamet -4 points-3 points ago

As a student with rich parents...

Oh never mind.

[–]HashbeanSC2 -1 points0 points ago

fucking asshole mother fuckers fucked me out of my student aid so quit complaining about your debt you spoiled mother fuckers

[–]catailcataclysm -1 points0 points ago

What if I told you, you don't have to be in debt to have financial hardships.

[–]FeistyCrawfish -1 points0 points ago

Oh the irony of this meme...

I will have $20,000 after I'm done, which is about the price of a low end new car. It's doable.

I feel horribly for those who are $125,000 - $250,000 in debt, like my cousin.

[–]Shaydie -1 points0 points ago

42 years old, went back to school after raising kid, 33k debt, 2 year degree. That's me in Dec. All kinds of fail. Daughter's starting college in three years so then I need to help HER. I dont want to hear you 22 year olds ago complain, ha. (yes I made mistakes with my class choices and took too long.)

[–]hoffmad08 -1 points0 points ago

As someone who had that after a single year...Go fuck yourself!

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