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[–]slapded 227 points228 points ago

I cheated on a french test with a graphing calculator once

[–]4DeeDogg 371 points372 points ago

I cheated on a graphing calculator with a french test once.

[–]DawdleOrDieTrying 288 points289 points ago

You whore.

[–]FalseFactsOrg 56 points57 points ago

I cheated on a graphing test with a french calculator once.

[–]ProxyMuncher 77 points78 points ago

I Frenched a graphing test with a cheating calculator once.

[–]SrsSteel 35 points36 points ago

I test graphic calculator french cheated

[–]newsdaylaura18 22 points23 points ago

test french graphic cheated calculator

[–]jimmin 165 points166 points ago

nigger nigger nigger nigger

[–]mes9696 17 points18 points ago

[–]ohmygord 35 points36 points ago

It's inevitable.

[–]johnnytightlips2 12 points13 points ago

I'm glad we reduced it to this so quickly

[–]doggone_it 4 points5 points ago

Go back to your home on whore island.

[–]redgroupclan 20 points21 points ago

Wouldn't the teacher think something was up since you had a calculator for a language class?

Graphing calculators are good for cheating in classes that actually call for them. I wouldn't have passed physics if I couldn't have saved all of the formulas into my graphing calculator.

[–]logarythm 2 points3 points ago

yeah... my bud had to take a precalc class one time. just put a couple formulas into his TI and slept through it.

[–]clush 26 points27 points ago

Buying the usb cable and figuring out how to code on a PC for TI83+ was the best thing I ever did in college.

[–]AndIMustScream 26 points27 points ago

PAH. Us real cheaters coded the algorithms necessary to automatically solve the problem on the calculator itself.

DURING THE TEST.

[–]clush 8 points9 points ago

I had plenty of programs like that since I was a chem major. A lot of times in lab with repetitive calculations I would just throw together a program. Fun times.

[–]Gooberpatrol66 2 points3 points ago

Ironically, it was a computer science test.

[–]darklight12345 1 point2 points ago

The day before a test in my calculus test 5 of us got together and programmed for half the day. I later sold that calculator for 200 dollars (90 above original price) when i had to move up. Those programs are a lifesaver.

[–]Calcipher 13 points14 points ago

My desire to cheat in math classes lead me to learn to program a TI83 and made me a better programmer in the long run. I guess cheaters do win sometimes!

[–]Lazy-Programmer 6 points7 points ago

Me too... Hm. I smell a conspiracy.

[–]snuffles324 11 points12 points ago

Fuck me there is a cable? I thought I was fancy when I learned to use Alpha-lock!

[–]babyshanks 7 points8 points ago

There's alpha-lock?

[–]BHSPitMonkey 1 point2 points ago

TI-BASIC making someone a better programmer? I call shenanigans.

In all seriousness though, TI-BASIC was my first language back in the 9th grade, and now I have a CS degree. That was a simpler time.

[–]PO-TAY-TOES 10 points11 points ago

Haha it sure was! fuckk. Nowdays kids are getting crafty, my co-worker's little brother carved out the internals of a broken TI-89 and implanted a HTC HERO in there. Google + Test = gg.

[–]BrainWav 7 points8 points ago

I bought the serial cable. Had to buy a converter too, as it was a 25 pin serial. When the hell do you see that anymore? This was in 1999 or so.

[–]ziggit 1 point2 points ago

I remember I was too cheap to buy one, so I actually built one. I'm rather lucky that I didn't kill my calculator with that kludge of components and solder

[–]zipzopzoobitybop 6 points7 points ago

It's kind of suspicious to pull out a calculator for a french test.. did your teacher not notice, or not care?

[–]slapded 2 points3 points ago

High school teachers in my district, circa 1995 did not care

[–]rwolf 2 points3 points ago

my handwriting is really small so I just copied out the piece of writing onto a piece of paper and blue tacked it into my dictionary :)~~

[–]JTBold 1 point2 points ago

Me too! It was sitting on my books on my desk; what French teacher in 1989 would suspect my calculator helped me cheat?

[–]TheLivingAwesome 109 points110 points ago

[–]BCP27 13 points14 points ago

I thought he was a miserable pile of secrets!

[–]crazyboxheadman 8 points9 points ago

[–]truejedishavebeards 1 point2 points ago

And now I have to download a psx emulator.

[–]Wellhelloat 5 points6 points ago

I'd happily forgive any dog that can learn how to take a test in the first place, let alone compose a reddit post!

More power to you, OP!

[–]B_Elanna_Torres 2 points3 points ago

Heard that in Tim Allen's voice... Wait?

[–]Jesus_In_Drag 28 points29 points ago

I once cheated on a test back when I was a sophomore in high school. I wrote some notes on my hand. The teacher saw it, but couldn't figure it out.

 M T N R E E
 S Y H L I A
 L W N I I T
 T L E O S K
 E E W R T X

THIS.

Edit. Typo.

[–]OldManPinkerton 18 points19 points ago

I feel like Tom Hanks in The Da Vinci Code trying to figure this shit out.

The Jesus_In_Drag Code

[–]Jesus_In_Drag 4 points5 points ago

That's a catchy name.

[–]Izulude 9 points10 points ago

Mind providing a key to decode it or something? I can't figure it out :(

[–]Jesus_In_Drag 5 points6 points ago

It's simple. Here are the first two words.

 M         E
 S Y                
     N          
       O        
         T  

[–]ArmondDorleac 11 points12 points ago

Still don't get it.

[–]holy_repost_batman 18 points19 points ago

I think I have it figured out, but Jesus_In_Drag did something that threw me off.

My understanding is that it's like wrapping a string diagonally around a square piece of cardboard. To make this easier to understand, I've replaced Jesus_In_Drag's note, "my notes were written like this,"* with the alphabet, "ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ."

Starting in the top left corner, the order of letters descends diagonally to the right.

A
  B
    C
      D
        E

From here, it jumps to the top of the next column.

A         F
  B
    C
      D
        E

Now that the order has reached the end of the square, it jumps back to the opposite end of the square, much like the tunnels in Pac-Man, only one space lower.

A         F
G B
  H C
    I D
      J E

Now that the order has reached the bottom of the square, it jumps to the top of the next column and continues its descent once more.

A       K F
G B       L
  H C
    I D
      J E

The completed product looks like this:

A Z U P K F
G B   V Q L
M H C   W R
S N I D   X
Y T O J E

The blank spaces represent areas where random letters could be inserted to cause confusion for outsiders observing and to keep the square a square.

However, Jesus_In_Drag's version really fucked me up.* His order goes went like this:

A W R M K F
G B X S N 
  H C Y T O
P   I D Z U
V Q L J E

I assume Jesus_In_Drag intentionally added random letters in the middle to make the code harder to understand for anyone attempting to decrypt it. All-in-all, a very creative way to write notes on one's hand in preparation for an upcoming test one isn't prepared for.

Edit: It seems I was mistaken. The note was intended to read "My notes were all written like this." Jesus_In_Drag wrote a T instead of an L in his original post and I wrote it down on paper before it was edited. My bad.

[–]Jesus_In_Drag 6 points7 points ago

It wasn't intentional. Just typos.

[–]Sir_T_Bullocks 6 points7 points ago

My Notes Were Written Like This. But... like that, above.

[–]Sharradan 4 points5 points ago

MY NOTES WERE ALL WRITTEN LIKE THIS X

FTFY

[–]Jesus_In_Drag 6 points7 points ago

Start in the top right corner. After each letter go one down then one right for the next letter. When you hit the bottom, go back to the top. When you hit the right, go back to the left.

The first two words there are My Notes.

[–]tarekd19 8 points9 points ago

maybe if you didn't cheat you'd know that it starts in the top LEFT corner

[–]Jesus_In_Drag 1 point2 points ago

Oh jeese...

[–]Featureless 14 points15 points ago

It reads "My notes were all written like this X"

[–]B_Elanna_Torres 1 point2 points ago

It would help to know what subject this is because my word search skills are not helping.

[–]uwjacob 34 points35 points ago

How do I reech these keedz!?

[–]Mon_ 37 points38 points ago

The first time you've cheated?

[–]iliketurtles2795[S] 21 points22 points ago

That's how I felt the first time I cheated on a test (2nd grade spelling test). I do it all the time now.

[–]megusta_tortugas 5 points6 points ago

Spelling test for you too? Except I didn't until fifth grade... spelling words like coincidence... that's when I was forced to practice.

[–]MetalGearAltair 1 point2 points ago

same, fifth grade. I cheated on a science test, and I asked my friend next to me for the answer (we had folders up, that only aids cheaters), 50/50 chance of getting it right... he got it wrong. Didn't cheat for a while after that.

[–]qdp 18 points19 points ago

One of my middle school teachers talked about cheating one day, and she said "but really, who here has never cheated on homework before?" I am a shy kid, but I did well in school. Perhaps because I was shy, I never worked on my homework with others taking their answers. I always look straight down during exams for fear of getting yelled at. I don't even look at the clock. I never sneaked something in.

So when she asked that, I thought I wasn't the only one so I raised my hand. The teacher just yelled out "yeah right" and everybody turned and laughed at me.

That's the point at which I learned honor means nothing.

[–]Doomextreme 6 points7 points ago

Welcome to life. Survival of the fittest, success at all costs. To the victor the spoils.

[–]balletboy 1 point2 points ago

So im not trying to call you out or anything but you have never cheated even in the most liberal sense?

Have you ever had your parents help you with a science project? Did you ever ask someone from another class what was on the test that you had to take next class? If you need a tutor to help you do your math homework does that make you a cheater?

Im not trying to justify cheating, its wrong. But cheating involves more than just looking at the answers on a test. People look for ways to cut corners all the time and sometimes it is a little less morally questionable than others.

[–]dove4med 7 points8 points ago

The first time I cheated on a test was in third grade, during one of those standardized math evaluations. I guess the teacher had gone over the test and realized that we all got terrible results, and so so she gave us the chance to re-do it during a retake period.

Being a good teacher, she went over the original test with us first, explaining how to do each problem so that everyone understood the math behind it. I went through and changed every answer, faked some scratch work on the side to make it look realistic, and then went up to her desk and told her that she'd misgraded my exam.

I felt guilty about it all the way through sixth grade, and eventually had to write my "crime" on a scrap of paper and symbolically burn it to get rid of the awful sinking feeling I got every time I thought about it.

[–]lord_tubbington 54 points55 points ago

8/10 of my high school top ten were notorious cheaters including the valedictorian. But I got into a better college because you can't feasibly cheat on the SAT.

It might help you out short term but maybe next time pick up a book and earn your grade?

[–]TrebeksUpperLIp 6 points7 points ago

can't feasibly cheat on the SAT? lol.

[–]crznmnm 4 points5 points ago

but... But how? An elaborate series of mirrors?

[–]ImAWhaleBiologist 13 points14 points ago

I smoked the ashes of a dead friend and his ghost gave me the answers.

[–]exSD 6 points7 points ago

I know what you're referencing. BUT I WON'T DIVULGE MY METHOD, MAN!

[–]ATownStomp 33 points34 points ago

Actually you can cheat on the SAT and ACT. My roommate cheated on the ACT and he got into a top level university.

Yay white people!

[–]AJRiddle 29 points30 points ago

How is this a "yay white people" thing? Several black athletes have been caught cheating on the ACT/SAT...

[–]wombatweiner 65 points66 points ago

...by having white people take their test.

Yay white people!

[–]Tod_Gottes 12 points13 points ago

Reference to south park probably. The episode parodying that movie where a bunch of mexicans learn algebra or something. He teaches them "the white way" which is just cheating.

[–]ATownStomp 1 point2 points ago

Reference to south park probably

You've got it. I can't deny that episode though... I've known a lot of white people who have cheated on major tests.

[–]awellplacedkick 2 points3 points ago

Iim in college now, but.......how do? I wasted so much time studying for the sat

[–]NeoDestiny 4 points5 points ago

TIL only white people cheat on tests.

[–]IShaveMyLegs 2 points3 points ago

Damn straight! You do the work honestly and put in the time, then you are good for the tests. Cheating will always catch up with you eventually. Someday, you'll be in a situation where you can't cheat, and you'll be fucked. What's worse, is the people I knew in civil engineering who cheated. Eventually, you'll have to go to a job that requires the knowledge you never bothered to learn. That should be the best deterrent (this is assuming you can get a job).

Cheating may also explain why half the people I tutored could have been mistaken for being legally retarded. They must have cheated on the SAT, since some of them couldn't do basic arithmetic.

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[–]benaduggan 1 point2 points ago

I cheated my way through highschool on most subjects and got a 32 on the ACT. I must be a genius :o

[–]tinsel014 4 points5 points ago

I took a class where we were allowed to bring our computers to exams for open notes, so a bunch of my classmates and I set up a collaborative Google doc and shared answers.

[–]andey 16 points17 points ago

I see people cheating all the time, I don't even care.

In my opinion, most exams should be open book.

Why?

Because in real life, you always have the necessary documentation you need in your career.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points ago

I disagree. Some exams require you to actually think and apply your knowledge. Not find the page in the book where the answer is.

In my opinion, life is just like that. You need to apply what you know [e.g. appropriate behaviours, biological, mathematical knowledge etc] to solve the problems that are in front of you. Life doesn't come with a manual so that you only have to turn to a particular page to find the answer.

So essentially, you need to memorise, recall and apply. Exams make you do just that.

That said, life hacks are pretty cool.

Edit: I suppose finding necessary documentation is a form of application.

[–]gr3nade 3 points4 points ago

Wow I totally know this feeling. I cheated once and the worst part is I would have gotten like a 85% without cheating but got maybe an 88% because I cheated. I was ashamed and felt guilty for the whole day. Then I vowed to never cheat on a test again.

[–]Gamer_ely 4 points5 points ago

one time, I was absolutely bombing a trig class, so I decided to have fun with the tests, I would remove pages... like the 3rd page of a 6 page test I would just remove it, put it in my pocket or something. She never noticed and never counted off for it.

[–]Xaerr 1 point2 points ago

thats amazing

[–]ljshea1 4 points5 points ago

How I feel masturbating more than once in a day

[–]Gh3rkinman 2 points3 points ago

How I feel masturbating more than 3 times in a day

[–]nasty_nate 115 points116 points ago

I expect downvotes for saying this, but it should be said. I'm not here on any moral high-horse. I'm not trying to sound superior or be a dick.

Cheating hurts a lot of people in a lot of ways, and it's a plague on academia. In college (and elsewhere) it detracts from the integrity of the degree and shows severe moral shortcomings IMO. It also shows a lack of understanding regarding the goals of education, the means that should be used to pass, and what "passing" should mean.

The culture that says cheating is acceptable is in big trouble IMO. Academic honestly is foundational to the work that educators do.

Don't let others pull you down; call other up (morally speaking).

[–]Kaltho 128 points129 points ago

Today's job market shows a lack of understanding regarding the goals of education. When almost every company is requiring 4 year degrees for jobs that do NOT require them, people are going to do whatever they need to get that degree.

[–]deyur 28 points29 points ago

This is actually a really good point. Though I will say that (personally), even though I actually did go to university to learn things, it's very easy to get wrapped up in the undergrad culture of prioritizing grades over everything else (including knowledge gained). When you're surrounded by people who are doing the same, it's very easy to see grading as the most important thing. It wasn't until I started postgrad work that I genuinely got back into the mindset of "I'm going to work this thing out because I want to learn how to do this", rather than "I'm going to work this out because if I don't I won't get an A".

[–]NeoDestiny 6 points7 points ago

I wouldn't feel bad about anyone cheating in any tests. How much of the information that you learn in school do you actually apply towards your career/job anyway? Classes geared towards your specific major are very important, I would agree, but all of the general reqs etc.. you took?

Honestly, I wouldn't care much if my lawyer cheated his way through Biology class and spent some extra time reading up on law. I wouldn't mind if my doctor cheated his way through intro to computer programming if he passed his med classes legitimately.

[–]deyur 13 points14 points ago

I think it highlights an issue with the way we treat "higher education" now. University/college should not be viewed as job-preparation institutions, they should be viewed as what they originally were - places where you went if you wanted to further your knowledge in a particular field. In that case it really doesn't matter whether or not you use the information you learn in your daily job - because the role of the education provider is not to teach you how to do a job - it's not even to teach you 'valuable skills' or anything like that. The role of the education provider is to develop your understanding of a particular subject. If what you learn is applicable to a job in the real world, great.

The problem is that educational institutions have adapted to meet consumer demand - where the consumers want something that will 'get them a job'. So they change the requirements of degrees to be less about actual knowledge, and more about meeting some more easily widely applied standard. Which is why we have things like credit requirements which end up forcing students to study subjects that they have no interest in.

[–]SirZugzwang 1 point2 points ago

I agree with a lot of that, but you do need to make people take some classes outside of their major. I'm a math major physics minor, and one of the most rewarding classes Ive taken was Introduction to Mythology. We talked about the patterns of myths and the psychological theories about the creation of myth etc. You need to make people think in different ways - monotony can kill thought, and it can easily make one lose interest. But we need to stop making college necessary for so many jobs. I didn't like my high school graduation because it felt like celebrating mediocrity, now college feels the same way? Luckily things like AP classes can cut down on the BS for some - I got a whole year out of the way and I know people who could graduate in 2 years easily ( if they didn't have 4-year rides they're using for multiple majors).

[–]mattpsx2 3 points4 points ago

I graduated with a degree in marketing. Now in all honesty, what am I going to use calculus for? I've always been terrible at math (and I'm asian). I had to cheat my way through that pre-req course because if I didn't it would have put me off my graduating target by a whole year.

I don't necessarily condone cheating, but I sure as hell did a lot of it while in college. Almost nothing I took in college has prepared me for the job I am currently at. What college taught me was business skills and being able to effectively present ideas/thoughts. That is what I found the most valuable during my time at school.

But hey, for other fields of study it makes sense. Do I want my medical doctor to have skipped/cheated his way through school? Hell no haha.

[–]Lovebeard 9 points10 points ago

Learning how to learn is probably one of the main lessons in school. And when you start taking shortcuts and internally justifying cheating, I feel like that will harm you in the long run. Also most schools have some pretty strict regulations against cheating so I don't think it's worth it most of the time.

Willingness to cheat is also quite indicative of other more unsavory character traits. So what I'm saying is quit being a faggot and study or you'll end up being a wildly popular starcraft 2 streamer and...and yeah.

[–]TheAughtSpectrum 1 point2 points ago

I'm in my first semester of college ever. I'm 25. I accidentally took 3 8 week classes, so my work load is a little heavy. Anyway, I'm in a history class that requires 300 pages a week of reading. I do the reading, I take notes, I study. But when the tests come it's fucking retarded. The first test I took I thought I was prepared for. Then the questions on the test had almost nothing to do with what I took notes on. So I asked the professor what he was looking for and he gave me a link to a website where he draws all of his test questions from. So the next test comes around and I do the reading, take shitloads of notes and take every practice quiz on the website he gave me. In all, I answered 480 questions and got them all right immediately before I took the test. Not a single one of those questions was on the test. If I didn't cheat on that test, I would have gotten maybe a 20%. When the class is more about showing off the professors PhD and how much he knows about the subject, rather than teaching the students what they should know, I think cheating is justified. I did everything I could to pass that test without cheating and it still wasn't enough. In my other two classes I have A's and have not cheated at all.

[–]Belacqua 1 point2 points ago

Do you see yourself as an honest person?

[–]WalterBright 1 point2 points ago

Every time I read comments like this, it makes me feel lucky that I got to go to Caltech, where pursuit of grades was not the culture (although there were some premeds who most definitely wanted/needed those grades above all else).

Myself (and most of my friends) selected elective classes based on topics that interested us, rather than on looking for easy A ones.

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[–]goodgodwoman 6 points7 points ago

Hi, your comment really struck a nerve with me because I worked hard for my degree, and it gives me anxiety that there are jobs out there that don't require a degree to get the job done, but require it to be hired (effectively cheapening the value of the degree in the real world).

Can you please provide me with some examples of this phenomenon you've noticed? What types of jobs in what industries are requiring degrees for jobs that an individual without a degree can do?

Thank you so much for taking the time to respond to me, I'm really curious to learn what you already know. Thanks again.

[–]Kaltho 3 points4 points ago

Alright, well for example I'm a data analyst. Basically all I do is write basic excel macros with visual basic, query information out of databases, and write up reports about how they affect the business. I have taken 0 classes on visual basic, 0 classes on how databases work, maybe 1 general business class, and 2 or so basic excel classes. I do not have a degree, and I'm paid $50k a year.

The job I currently have "required" a degree. The only reason I was hired for it was because I temp'd with the company as a contractor and they realized I had the skill set to do the job full time. I work with someone else who is a Senior Analyst, he has the same work related school history as I do (aka none), but he has an English Degree.

I talk to a lot of people that I work with, I would say less than 10% have a degree that has anything to do with what they do on a daily basis.

I worked hard for my degree, and it gives me anxiety that there are jobs out there that don't require a degree to get the job done, but require it to be hired (effectively cheapening the value of the degree in the real world).

I don't think you have much to worry about. Having a degree, any degree, will only help you. Also, it is VERY dependent on the subject matter.

If you don't have a job right now, chin up, keep looking. I would try contracting / temping with a company if you can. Even if you don't get a full time job out of it, you will get experience, recommendations, and connections. A lot of companies don't like to hire people right off because having them as a temp / contractor gives them a little bit of a "trial period"

Hope this answers your question and didn't get too wall-of-texty.

[–]nasty_nate 1 point2 points ago

Very relevant. My brother's experience is similar. He has a degree, but the skills that are really useful at work have turned out to be programming/macro skills learned outside of class. Not every student gets this, but the work you put in is what really pays off, not the grades.

[–]goodgodwoman 2 points3 points ago

thank you.

[–]Kaltho 1 point2 points ago

not a problem.

[–]GrammarLibertine 3 points4 points ago

I'll give you an example. All that is really required to train a basically competent lawyer can be found in the curricula of community college paralegal programs and commercial bar prep courses offered by companies like Barbri.

Training to become a lawyer should take about 1 year, and in fact, for much of US history, that's all that was required. In some situations, less than that has been required. Abraham Lincoln, for example, did not go to law school, did not apprentice, and did not take a bar exam. What he did was read Blackstone's Commentaries, alone. He was competent and successful as a lawyer.

Today, in order to become a lawyer in the United States, here's what you have to do(essentially):

  1. Graduate high school or get a GED.
  2. Get a four-year bachelor's degree in any subject, no matter how far removed or irrelevant to law.
  3. Go to law school for three years, during which time your classes will only cover about 2/3rds or so of what is tested on bar exams. You will be taught largely in the socratic/case book method. This means that teachers will hesitate to pronounce correct concepts of law and instead will try to tease it out of students(Like Socrates with his interlocutors). They will also assign judicial opinions for you to read in order to learn law. 99% of the time, in order to glean one or two sentences of relevant information, you will have to read 5 to 10 pages of extraneous material, which the professors will also questions you about in class. You will read literally hundreds of pages a week, every week. There are books of various length, depth, and quality called "supplements" or "study guides" which are the modern day equivalent of Blackstone's Commentaries. They get straight to the point and tell you what the law is. Professors will openly mock these books, and tell you that you will flunk out of law school and never learn to think like a lawyer, and will fail the bar if you read them. Everybody relies on them heavily.

  4. After you graduate, you will take a bar prep course. These are commercial prep course that last about 2.5 to 3 months. Your materials include everything that you actually need to know to pass the bar exam. I am studying from Barbri materials right now, and the condensed outline for all 18 subjects tested in my state combined is smaller than any of my casebooks from any of my classes.

  5. Take and pass the bar exam. After this, you know basic legal principles in a wide range of important areas, but you aren't an expert in anything, and you were probably also never taught basic practical skills, like where to file a complaint(as in physically, where the courthouse is and what room to go to) or how to set up a client trust fund account so you don't inadvertently commit grave malpractice.

There's a conservative judge named Richard Posner, who, among many other people, have pointed out that legal education is essentially a medieval guild system intended to keep people out of the profession in order to maintain the livelihood of the people in the profession. That's the real goal.

[–]goodgodwoman 1 point2 points ago

That was amazing. My little brother just graduated and is looking into going to Law School. I'm going to have him read this.

I wonder, (I'm in California), is it possible to bypass the institutional leviathan of law school and just jump straight to taking the BAR?

If Law School is supposed to prepare you for the BAR, and passing the BAR proves you are competent enough to practice, what stops someone from avoiding law school, self-educating, and passing the BAR on their own?

Am I being retarded in my assumptions? Also, thanks for your write up, that was great to read.

[–]GrammarLibertine 1 point2 points ago

It's a little different in California. You can find the rules for the California process here.

In California, you can go through the route I described above as one way to become a lawyer. In California, you could get by with 2 years of a bachelor's program, without necessarily getting a degree. So that shaves the time required down from 7 years to 5, potentially. The self-study/apprentice/clerking options require 4 years, so that doesn't save you time over law school(although it does save you money.) California also has an option that allows you to take a "mini bar exam" instead of any legal education, and then take the general bar exam. So under that option, you could do it in two years by taking 60 hours of BA-level college coursework, taking the mini bar, and then taking the general bar. But California is very unique, and the California bar exam is notoriously difficult.

In order to take the bar in most states(California being one of a few exceptions), you have to get a bachelor's degree and a JD from an ABA-accredited law school. There isn't a single state where a bright person with a GED who completed a prep course diligently would be allowed to take the bar exam.

Also, relevant to this entire topic: Frank Abagnale.

[–]goodgodwoman 1 point2 points ago

Thank you for that info.

The question was actually sparked in my head after watching "Catch Me If You Can".

If you can't afford law school (which most can't). You wind up with around 50k in debt right? Add that to the 15-20k from undergrad, and you're looking at a mortgage before you've even made a dollar.

There's something wrong with that.

[–]GrammarLibertine 1 point2 points ago

around 50k in debt right?

No, quite a lot more than that. The average education debt is about $75k for public schools, $125k for private. And I believe those figures only include tuition debt, not the debt incurred by taking out loans to live on. The ABA requires that you not spend more than 20 hours a week working during law school(and it would be hard to do so anyway) so many students take out loans to live on during school. Myself, I have about $20k in debt from undergrad, and $120k in debt from law school.

[–]nasty_nate 1 point2 points ago

I completely agree with this.

My point was that it's wrong, damaging, and should not be tolerated. In the mean time, educators and employers would do well to remove the opportunity and motivation to cheat whenever possible.

[–]Kaltho 1 point2 points ago

For sure. I will never say that cheating isn't damaging, I just think that employers and schools are making it very easy to justify it.

[–]nasty_nate 1 point2 points ago

Exactly.

Additionally, I would say there is a moral penalty to cheating, but not everyone agrees with that.

[–]TheMarshma 14 points15 points ago

I fully agree, but I will say that if you make it an online test, I'mma google the shit outta the questions.

[–]bminus02 10 points11 points ago

you're def right, but the two times I cheated in college were because I was so fucking scared of getting a D in the class. I busted my ass to get a C and I was not going to let my bad memory fuck me out of 2,000 dollars.

[–]flyingturdmonster 2 points3 points ago

The fact this is not the top comment saddens me. I can only hope the flippant attitude about cheating is due to a high concentration of high school kids. It's one thing to cheat on a test in the K-12 system or even some crappy diploma mill. Nobody expects you to learn much anyway, the stakes are lower, and the top students will still be the top students competing against cheaters.

However, if you're cheating as a student in a decent university, particularly in a tough STEM department, YOU ARE FUCKING SCUM.

[–]Jofflic 19 points20 points ago

How could a dog cheat on a test?!?!?! That's ridiculous!

[–]Mefreh 26 points27 points ago

People cheat on tests?

[–]TrebeksUpperLIp 6 points7 points ago

I cheated on my AIDS test.

[–]NULLACCOUNT 1 point2 points ago

Did you win?

[–]Swag_Turtle 9 points10 points ago

He's positive he didn't... :(

[–]NolanRoss 40 points41 points ago

People don't cheat on tests?

[–]Mefreh 12 points13 points ago

I've never....needed...to....

[–]snailwithmonocle 20 points21 points ago

Nice. It's a fucking plague, never did it, never will do it, but the number of people doing it is overwhelming. It's just sad to see. But hey, everybody lives with their own actions. Not that they actually care though. But still, I couldn't, regardless.

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[–]snailwithmonocle 9 points10 points ago

Yes, that would be me. Cheating could've saved my ass so many times, but it's just a thing I can't live with. It saddens me to see other people cheating so much, I pity it, but I don't really care, I just don't do it because I don't want to.

[–]srslykindofadick 1 point2 points ago

I don't particularly mind when people cheat on tests. I don't, but mostly because every time I've looked over at someone else's paper, they've clearly had the wrong answer, so I've had to think and come up with the right one. Or at least a less stupid wrong one.

[–]dwhee 9 points10 points ago

There are, in fact, people that aren't you.

Jarring, I know.

[–]Mcflexington 14 points15 points ago

Oh come on, that's just fucking ridiculous. You didn't even provide a source.

[–]iamkush 2 points3 points ago

[SOURCE]

[–]NolanRoss 2 points3 points ago

[PROOF]

[–]arachnyd52 5 points6 points ago

Am I the only goddamn person who never cheated on a test? Why do people think this is okay? Not only are you screwing yourself, you are screwing all the people who actually studied and learned the material.

[–]Oheina 1 point2 points ago

I've never cheated on a test. Granted, I was home schooled for seven years, but still.

[–]butters877 5 points6 points ago

I once helped 8 people cheat on a math final by writing my answers onto my graphing calculator.. everyone would just swap calculators... easiest money I have ever made

[–]SOMETHING_POTATO 4 points5 points ago

My teacher exchanged our calculators FOR us, clearing the memory in between. Of course, that didn't clear programs...

[–]lhsvball 3 points4 points ago

Omnicalc, it regenerates anything cleared directly after a clear. Best thing ever for TI-83+. I feel no regret for writing complicated equations into my calculator and using them on the test.

[–]MetalGearAltair 2 points3 points ago

I used "fake," you enter a password and then you can "clear the memory." Once you need the programs/apps back, you enter your password again and then BAM! nothing has changed :P

(never really had to use it, and archived programs acted weird when restored)

[–]Piratiko 16 points17 points ago

I cheated on a few tests in my Biology class back in high school, and I think it was completely justified:

Our teacher was a little bit... cuckoo, but that's not hugely relevant. His tests consisted of us being required to memorize entire full-page tables out of the textbook (species, genome, all that stuff) and reproduce the entire chart/table on a blank piece of paper from memory.

This serves to teach the students NOTHING about biology. It's cruel and unnecessary. The entire class cheated, and I don't feel like any of us did anything wrong.

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[–]RumQ 3 points4 points ago

I'm majoring in microbiology as an undergrad and even now, I can tell you that memorizing entire tables and regurgitating them is not what a biology course is about, ever.

Just like any scientific discipline, it requires critical and conceptual thinking. It just happens that you have to also know a lot of details in order to address those kinds of questions. (I can't answer a certain protein-related question if I haven't memorized the convention for numbering amino acids, because I'll get the number wrong - but the point of the question is something else entirely.) It's really no different than any other field (You couldn't answer an essay question about the role of Thomas Jefferson in the formation of the United States if you hadn't memorized a significant portion of his CV, even though the question is really asking you to analyze the situation). There are just a lot more little details and facts than most fields.

[–]MellonWedge 2 points3 points ago

This isn't true at all. While you certainly do need to memorize things you don't need to memorize full-page tables.

[–]Piratiko 3 points4 points ago

Really? Advanced biology students are expected to memorize entire tables and reproduce them from memory? How about essay questions where your answers would have to include the information from the table? At least then you'd be applying the information practically rather than just regurgitating it straight from the textbook.

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[–]Unilateralist 1 point2 points ago

Not any more. The new AP course is more focused towards practical application, and there is much less memorization needed.

[–]nasty_nate 9 points10 points ago

and I think it was completely justified

All cheaters justify is some manner. It's just the nature of the action. You know it's wrong, but you have to live with yourself.

[–]Piratiko 11 points12 points ago

Well sure, I'm justifying the action, but that doesn't mean I'm doing so because I think it's unjustifiable and I'm trying to cover myself and keep my conscience clean. Whether or not it's truly justifiable is a matter of your (and by extension, society's) opinion.

Edit: and in my opinion, it was justified and my conscience is clean.

[–]ATownStomp 2 points3 points ago

What? It's easy to live with myself. Okay, so I don't cheat and what happens... I fail the test right?

So instead, I cheat and pass. That's enough justification for me. I would rather cheat on a high school test rather than take a poor grade. I'll be able to sleep soundly at night.

It's great that I did cheat as much as I did. I would hate to never achieve anything in life because I was a lazy teenager who didn't care about the insignificant details of his world history class.

It would have been better for me to have just studied and done well in that way, but I didn't. Those who studied hard gained something that I didn't... good study habits and discipline. In the end, they benefited more than me. However, my cheating prevented me from being fucked out of the gate.

Would I encourage others to do so? Only if they have no other options...

[–]Coolbreezy 3 points4 points ago

lol the FIRST time... Guess the guilt wasn't that bad huh?

[–]iDontShift 1 point2 points ago

so what you are learning is how to cheat. that is a stressful way to do things.

[–]SilverSultan 1 point2 points ago

You are no longer the %1.

[–]CheeseburgerLocker 1 point2 points ago

My entire Cisco class in college was a lie. I found the answer keys to every single practice exam, scenario, and final exams online and cheated my way (intelligently) through it. Fuck networking forever.

[–]newsdaylaura18 1 point2 points ago

On a 4th grade long division math class, I cheated by taking the answers from the smart kid next to me, and then just making up a bunch of numbers under the division sign. So the answers were right, but below was just a bunch of bullshit. Needless to say, I failed the test.

[–]Idefygravity 1 point2 points ago

cheating on a test is like having your first drink..it gets easier the more you have or so ive heard

[–]i_joined_4_this 1 point2 points ago

the only reason i passed high school and got into a top university was because i took hard classes (that i couldn't have otherwise) and cheated on literally every test. now college is hard, but i'll pass and am going to a top 25 school

[–]altwtx 1 point2 points ago

I had a pretty laid-back physics teacher my junior year of high school. It was pretty much known that you could get away with cheating in his class, so pretty much everybody did. What we didn't know, is that he recorded us during our tests with several cameras. At the end of the year, he made a video compilation that showed us all blatantly cheating. We were all shocked, but it was hilarious.

[–]WalterBright 1 point2 points ago

When I was at Caltech, exams were open book and open note. By institute policy, proctoring was not allowed. Even timed exams were takehome, you could do them when you were ready, as long as you didn't spend more than x time working on them.

The interesting result was, almost nobody cheated. If you did cheat, your fellow students would ostracize you. The students liked the honor system, and would not condone any attempts to undermine it.

[–]WalterBright 2 points3 points ago

A fellow student told me that he'd spent all night studying for a math exam. He opened the 2 hour test in his dorm room, and started it. Soon, he fell asleep. He woke up a couple hours later, and finished the test. He reported to the prof that he'd spent only 2 hours on the test, although it was 4 hours clock time.

The prof said he was very sorry, but he'd have to mark the exam with an F for exceeding the time limit. He failed the class, and had to retake it the next year.

The student was not angry about this, he understood and agreed with the rules, and he simply blamed himself. The rest of us kinda shrugged with "thems the breaks". The next year, as I recall, he got an A for it.

[–]WalterBright 2 points3 points ago

Another anecdote - you might think that such a system would have a lot of rampant cheating under the radar. But the exams were tough, and failing them was commonplace. For one physics midterm, more than half the sophomore class failed it.

[–]Csusmhistory 1 point2 points ago

you went to Caltech, you didn't need to cheat, your brain so big probably comin' outta your ears. I'm pretty sure taking a full load there (12-16 units) is like taking 30-36 units at any other university.

[–]poopofdeath 1 point2 points ago

my friend took a picture of the exam of a class that i took recently and he gave it to me. i got 100% on a midterm that was worth 50% of my grade. i took the exam so fast that i had to sit there for another 20 minutes pretending to take it. i ended up getting a 4.0 in a 730am law class that i never showed up too

[–]Advancedphish 1 point2 points ago

I went in to take a make up history test. I was chronically depressed and in a terrible place in life. I knew I should take time off from school, but my parents wouldn't let me. So, here I was, going in to take a test I didn't give a fuck about and wasn't prepared for. I picked up the envelope containing the test and scantron from the front office and went to an empty room, prepare to guess on pretty much every question.

Luckily, the person who had that text before me had answered EVERY question on the test pamphlet instead of on their scantron. Despite vigorous erasing you could still see a shadow of their answers. They made a 93.

[–]dasmi3 1 point2 points ago

hey its better to cheat than to repeat

[–]thearsenal14 1 point2 points ago

Cheated the entire semester in a supply chain management class. Studying abroad in Italy and the entire class could not understand what he was saying or trying to teach. He would also teach us info that was incorrect and proven so using the textbook/online sources. We all said fuck it and just cheated on the 3 tests.

He was the nicest guy in the world and had no intention of teaching us false information, I think he just wasn't qualified for that particular class. I do feel bad that, with our rediculous average, he was made to look like he either was too easy (would get fired) or was the best teacher they had (would continue to mislead students if he stayed at the university).

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The only time I cheated on a test, I failed. somehow, I cheated myself out of a few marks. Fuck Wikipedia.

[–]Animystic 1 point2 points ago

I cheated so damn hard on a math test last semester. The teacher simply would not look up from his desk the entire classtime, so I just started looking up the answers on my iphone.

[–]nolandachief 1 point2 points ago

I cheated on my Chunin exams question 10 hard as hell

[–]coracken 2 points3 points ago

I have used cha cha to cheat on a test.

[–]Sloppy1sts 2 points3 points ago

I did the chacha thing for a bit and I got people who were looking for answers for tests and homework several times.

[–]chris_hans 2 points3 points ago

Oh that's right, I am dog.

[–]srry72 2 points3 points ago

Hey guy! This guys had to put effort into school! Let's all point and laugh at him!

That'll be three fiddy for that popcorn

[–]Khiraji 1 point2 points ago

It gets easier, don't worry.

[–]Mewpie 1 point2 points ago

Test? I felt like this after copying homework...

[–]ModernDayCasanova 1 point2 points ago

This is me whenever I don't cheat on a test

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point ago

I remember cheating on a spelling test once. Wrote Massachusetts on a slip of paper and put it in my pocket. It changed me, and I haven't cheated since. I wish I would've waited a few years and had that revolutionary moment during a O-chem test...

[–]JeanVanDeVelde 0 points1 point ago

best cheat I ever pulled off was in Pascal programming class in high school, on Macs with At East installed. I sucked at math and that was all the tests were, to solve equations. I wrote some code that pulled the smartest kid's code (simple text file open with a network path instead of floppy disk) and figured out where I went wrong.

[–]ShockerPopper 0 points1 point ago

The few times I had to cheat on a test, it was just a spur of the moment thing.

[–]KallistiEngel 0 points1 point ago

I got caught cheating my first time. I was in 3rd grade and the teacher left the room for a minute with the answer key on the desk right next to mine. I felt really bad when she caught me, didn't really do it again.

[–]Hiyasc 0 points1 point ago

Cheating in secondary school is really one of those things that won't matter much in the long run. If anything it only really hurts the person doing it because they might pick up bad habits.

[–]tikael 0 points1 point ago

Hey, it's Nico!

[–]zbreeze3 0 points1 point ago

The number of pen taps= the question number. The number of finger taps on the desk (1-5) would be the corresponding answer. So a-1, b-2, and so forth.

[–]Alarmin 0 points1 point ago

"This... this isn't dog." Single tear

[–]gimmeallurmoneyz 0 points1 point ago

A year ago a few buddies and I cheated on a state test. We were just exchanging answers because our teacher was old and deaf and was too busy dealing with music blasting hooligans (7th grade, ugh). Edit: Grammar

[–]PO-TAY-TOES 0 points1 point ago

In highschool we used to cheat on chem test by changing our phone's bluetooth id to the answers. We each were designated 3-4 questions, so that way we just have to Scan for bluetooth devices to get everyone's answers.

[–]stihgnob511 0 points1 point ago

It's gets easier every time

[–]changeout 0 points1 point ago

i notice you say "the first time i cheated" and not "the first and only time i cheated"

[–]Red23UK 0 points1 point ago

yeah, but that was the first time, now you're like.

[–]Awesomeade 0 points1 point ago

Yes, you are dog.

[–]HugADeathclaw 0 points1 point ago

"Because I don't understand the concept of mirrors" -Dog

[–]wellshitfuck 0 points1 point ago

This happened to me last week. I still hate myself a little.

[–]Decyde 0 points1 point ago

Second, third, forth....billionth time you cheated on a test you just keep telling yourself you don't need to learn shit that is on Google.

[–]iLuVtiffany 0 points1 point ago

I knew who I was. I was the motherfucker who didn't fail.

[–]Sethling 0 points1 point ago

Heard this from a prof; "If you are going to cheat, just dont get caught. It aint cheating if you got through the system."

[–]KiNGofKiNG89 0 points1 point ago

My reaction was: IT WAS THIS FUCKING EASY?

[–]Ixilary 0 points1 point ago

I plagiarized a major assignment a few weeks ago for the first time. But it was worth it; the assignment was bullshit and I got 70% on it anyways even for being 4 months late.

[–]rustymyers 0 points1 point ago

You're normal.

[–]CaptainDeepthoughts 0 points1 point ago

You had an identity crisis because you cheated on a test?

Grow the fuck up.

[–]VestaDear 0 points1 point ago

I cheated on pretty much every spelling test in elementary school. I regret nothing. Eventually firefox taught me how to spell adequately and I never looked back!

[–]youngjeunes 0 points1 point ago

Iste ego sum?

[–]-cantstopwontstop 0 points1 point ago

A little harsh but I fucking love that picture no matter what the title says. Upvotes away

[–]monad_into_plurality 0 points1 point ago

someone cheated off of me, once. I noticed, but didn't say anything. I felt nauseous self-loathing for a week. he did not know the a priori/a posteriori distinction. I am sorry, kind Professor. I let you down, through complicity.

[–]MUEYGRANDE 0 points1 point ago

Laughed out loud. Thank you.