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[–]MrSomethingHeroic 129 points130 points ago

ORANGE MOCHA FRAPPUCCINOS!

[–]Funk_Munki 32 points33 points ago

What?

Edit: Nevermind. I got so caught up in the subject that I completely forgot about the image.

[–]Funky_Monks 17 points18 points ago

Your name is incredibly close to mine. I deem you my half-brother.

[–]LuluVonLuvenburg 15 points16 points ago

JITTERBUG. JITTERBUG

[–]vinegarstrokes420 13 points14 points ago

All I can think of whenever this gif is used. That and the ensuing gas fight!

[–]MrSomethingHeroic 26 points27 points ago

If there is anything that this horrible tragedy can teach us, it's that a male model's life is a precious, precious commodity. Just because we have chiseled abs and stunning features, it doesn't mean that we too can't not die in a freak gasoline fight accident.

[–]trollmenot 9 points10 points ago

The adjective "freak" makes the entire euguglogy.

[–]napierw 0 points1 point ago

the double negative makes it even more hilarious

[–]Axolotile 151 points152 points ago

My dad just had a tantrum about it. Now I have to deal with it all day.

He's gonna be in a bad mood, no fun for anyone.

[–]dlanmaar 66 points67 points ago

As someone not from America who hasn't followed this at all, that helped.

[–]Funk_Munki 87 points88 points ago

As someone from America who has tried to follow it, but still didn't understand it, that helped a lot.

[–]Todomanna 38 points39 points ago

As someone who's seen the image before and had it help him, it still helps.

[–]Whataboutthatguy 9 points10 points ago

I thought I understood it myself, but this proved very effective in gelling the idea in my head about what it all really was about, fairness.

[–]RedTiger013 1 point2 points ago

All the people above me think that this is all that the obamacare does..

[–]thefreshscent 5 points6 points ago

Keep in mind when Obama is saying "Wow, you are broke, I'll pay for 95% of it," its not actually Obama paying for it, its the US tax payers.

[–]P10_WRC 31 points32 points ago

fuck the government for using taxes to help society.

[–]Banzai51 2 points3 points ago

Hear hear! We only hand out government money to Billionaires in this country!

[–]panduhpear 27 points28 points ago

Keep in mind when Obama is saying "Wow, you are broke, I'll pay for 95% of it," it's not actually Obama saying that, it's a cartoon of Obama saying that. :)

[–]dlanmaar 6 points7 points ago

What!? You have to help other people? I am shocked. Shocked.

[–]FatZombieMama 2 points3 points ago

We're already paying for the uninsured. They go to the ER, can't pay, our rates go up. AHCA is cheaper for everyone.

[–]Ms_Andy 25 points26 points ago

Now can you explain that to me like I'm two?

[–]MWozz 43 points44 points ago

People pay you when you're sick.

[–]Ms_Andy 16 points17 points ago

Awe. That is really sweet of you to reply. I was joking but I appreciate the time you took to explain it anyway. :)

[–]Ohtanks 11 points12 points ago

Don't worry. He was paid with overtime pay in karma.

[–]Nebtaro 7 points8 points ago

I like the tie. Reminds me of Dilbert.

[–]atl2rva 3 points4 points ago

I for one can not afford health care even though my employer offers to pay half. How do I get the govt to pay 95% like this comic is saying!?

[–]Geogun 90 points91 points ago

I would just like to know how the government is going to pay for this being 14 trillion dollars in debt...just saying.

[–]penGuiner 133 points134 points ago

Don't be silly, its free!!!

[–]Geogun 18 points19 points ago

Oh yeah! I forgot about the Obama free money trees that are grown in the back yard of the white house! The way this country is run reminds me of this

[–]upvoterss 53 points54 points ago

the same way we pay for all the wars

edit we could raise taxes on corporations

[–]lsharkk 16 points17 points ago

Silly, they'll just pass that on to us

[–]bax101 2 points3 points ago

We will declare war again some years down the road to make jobs and rebuild while our country men/women die.

[–]LukaCola 10 points11 points ago

I don't suppose you know how we got out of the great depression?

Through massive, absolutely massive, government spending.

Imagine you're running a household and your main breadwinner needs surgery to continue working. Surgery's expensive, so would you say you won't buy it? Of course not, you will pay for the surgery and the rest of the household will start contributing to everyday expenses as well. You don't stop spending money, you continue to spend to meet your needs. If Mary needs to buy a car so she can drive to work, she should, get that car. Because a stable income is more important than temporary debt, as you can pay off that car in the long run. But if you don't buy the car or surgery, you're simply stuck as bills continue to pile up.

Government spending works similarly, you might think things like infrastructure are frivolous but it has been proven time and again that government spending improves the economy. Because an economy works best when there is a large flow of money, and stagnates when everyone starts saving money. While that doesn't mean you should never save, it does mean (contrary to popular belief) that spending money actually improves the economy. A faster flow of money means more jobs, more income, more business.

[–]slipperyfist 8 points9 points ago

Through massive, absolutely massive, government spending.

And WW2. The New Deal was a great program, but WW2 had a lot to do with our country's recovery as well.

[–]123sb 17 points18 points ago

The war effort was exactly that, massive, absolutely massive government spending

[–]Numbajuan 6 points7 points ago

Sadly, this is the mindset of some people. :-/

[–]ExK4 -1 points0 points ago

Everyone knows that the government can just print more money!

[–]TheGoomba 48 points49 points ago

They can cut 4 military bombers.

[–]just_A_few_more 16 points17 points ago

Seriously! If people only knew how much oil is used for jet fuel... I mean, I feel guilty taking a commercial airplane and they use a fraction of the fuel military airplanes gobble up.

[–]TheGoomba 16 points17 points ago

Well, and the fact the planes themselves cost, what, a billion or so each?

[–]Tiby312 7 points8 points ago

I feel like this is the wrong argument to have. The question is whether power projection has saved a significant number of lives. Suppose it has. Then its cost would be justified. Suppose it hasn't. Then its cost wouldn't be justified. Since it's possible for the cost to be 'worth it', it doesn't make sense to use the cost as an argument against power projection. Instead, the argument should be that the cost isn't worth it- that is hasn't saved a worthy number of lives.

But this question is very hard to answer as it's impossible to say how things would have gone had someone intervened or not. For example, the Rwanda genocide. Had the world intervened, more could have died or less. There's no way to know. Even in scenarios like WWII, you could argue that more people would have lived overall had nobody tried to stop the axis powers.

[–]bucknuggets 6 points7 points ago

If we hadn't attacked the wrong country (Iraq) we would have saved about $3 trillion dollars and wouldn't have made Iran the chief power of the middle east.

There's really no debate there.

[–]FuLLMeTaL604 2 points3 points ago

But then how can they keep America safe if they don't show their presence globally?

[–]Psionic_Flash 10 points11 points ago

Why don't you guys just have a vote and take it out of your war funds. From what I gather those are staggeringly high as they are.

[–]RsonW 3 points4 points ago

Have... A vote? You do realize there are no referenda on the federal level, right?

[–]morbo1993 1 point2 points ago

Would there seriously be no option to vote over such a thing? In Norway (Yes I know we're only 5 million people) we had national votes for whether or not to join the EU twice. I'm honestly curious.

[–]RsonW 1 point2 points ago

Most States have referenda as an option to make laws in their States, but the Federal government doesn't.

[–]morbo1993 1 point2 points ago

Thank you for clearing it up :)

[–]ipn8bit 7 points8 points ago

well because no one else is saying it, I will. OBAMA CARE COST LESS THAN WHAT WE ARE CURRENTLY DOING. it lowers the debt. ...just saying

[–]swimatm 54 points55 points ago

Well, raising taxes on the rich and cutting defense spending might help...

[–]bioemerl 60 points61 points ago

People really need to stop saying "raise taxes on the rich" and start saying make the investors and others pay as many taxes as the poor. Not only does it sound more fair, it makes it a moral thing in a straightforward way.

[–]upvoterss 16 points17 points ago

or raise taxes on corporations

[–]servohahn 26 points27 points ago

Raise taxes on taxes!

[–]FrostByt 4 points5 points ago

Or a fairtax plan....

[–]Achill35 1 point2 points ago

do you even know how tax brackets and investors and their money work?

[–]Bubbascrub 3 points4 points ago

Could we also cut some funding to entitlements as well for the sake of compromise?

Oh wait, Congress has to do that...we're fucked.

[–]Gawdor 2 points3 points ago

You could stop going to war, that could help to the tune of a few trillion.

[–]GAFMisat0 12 points13 points ago

Debt is to government what karma is to reddit.

[–]bioemerl 5 points6 points ago

It does not really matter but everyone wants it?

[–]GAFMisat0 8 points9 points ago

It means nothing.

[–]sirin32 1 point2 points ago

healcare-related bills are the #1 cause of bankruptcy in the US, which hurts the economy quite a bit.

[–]nitrorev 1 point2 points ago

I could be wrong about this but somebody told be that universal health is more economically efficient than the alternative. if I'm wrong then they should just cut defence by a tiny bit and they'll have more than enough.

[–]Decyde 1 point2 points ago

We can just print more money. It's all good sir.

[–]professorhazard 1 point2 points ago

When you're 14 trillion in the hole, what the hell does it matter what you tack on next?

[–]RalfN 1 point2 points ago

Well, you could you know, spent 10% less on military, and you would still save money.

Besides, health care issues are not good for the economy either. You dont really think this is more expensive than not treating people, many of whom are productive and pay taxes, and help fund their childrens education?

[–]Anticlimax1471 1 point2 points ago

Same way my government pays for universal healthcare with a more-or-less equal per-capita national debt. Budget for it.

[–]Ozymandias12 3 points4 points ago

[–]sammwwise 1 point2 points ago

Raising taxes and having everyone buy health insurance allows the insurance companies to lower their rates.

[–]Givants 1 point2 points ago

You quit starting wars and all that money will magically appear

[–]Stooooooopid 1 point2 points ago

Perfectly said, impartial & honest. Sounds great until Insurance companies are going to get out the game. Also what happens when scores of unemployed are sent to jail for not being able to afford the fine or the premiums, which ARE going to skyrocket.

[–]wisdumb 4 points5 points ago

Obama isn't paying 95% of the cost of someone who's too broke to afford insurance. I and anyone else who pays taxes will. Get it the fuck right.

[–]barrelfever 9 points10 points ago

That's right, you will. Just like everyone else on the entire planet.

[–]dat_distraction 20 points21 points ago

My mother is going to be RAGING tonight.

[–]fench 15 points16 points ago

Apart from the thousands of people it'll help woooo

[–]DankBeard 38 points39 points ago

Yeah, the insurance industry is pretty stoked I bet.

[–]Dresden89 23 points24 points ago

The two comments above are both true.

  1. This will help thousands of people.

  2. Insurance companies love that people will be forced to buy insurance.

  3. I don't fully understand the issue and I'm sure there are restrictions in place so that insurance agencies don't think skies the limit for prices. I'm also sure this act will not be without compromises from everyone.

[–]trogdorkiller 36 points37 points ago

85% of premiums have to go towards actual healthcare.

[–]Tachyx 7 points8 points ago

The healthcare industry has not figured out how kickbacks work.

[–]floatablepie 4 points5 points ago

From the thread about the court's decision (paraphrasing): Insurers can't deny you coverage because you are sick. That's a point for people. But people can be assholes like insurance companies too. Bob doesn't want to pay for insurance, because he can wait until he needs it, then get it since they can't turn him down. The mandate is what the companies get as a way to prevent this.

If you can't afford it, another part of the bill helps you pay for it.

[–]KTR2 4 points5 points ago

If you can't afford it, another part of the bill helps you pay for it.

Like everything else, this only applies if you fit their rigid definition of "being able to afford it". If, for example, you earn too much money, but are helping a relative pay their expensive medical bills, you might not be able to afford it, but would still earn too much for government assistance.

You want universal healthcare? Great, me too...but this is the worst way to do it. The best way would have been universal single-payer covered by a tax on income. The second-best way would have been to mandate that each state must ensure all citizens have access to a minimum standard of care (the implementation of which can be figured out by the states on their own, experimenting with various schemes and figuring out what works best for them and their unique circumstances).

[–]colinmurphy00 21 points22 points ago

Yay! I can't wait to lose my job!

[–]papabusche 7 points8 points ago

Please explain?

[–]colinmurphy00 37 points38 points ago

I'm a paramedic. Because of the new ways health care providers are being reimbursed compared to the way they were previously, they're going broke. At my company, raises have been suspended and they have made significant cutbacks in the amount and quality of supplies we get (by the way, this creates a lower quality of care to the patient). What was previously the most profitable ambulance service in the state up to 2008 is now in bankruptcy protection and have laid off almost all of their supervisors. Ambulances aren't the only service feeling it right now. Almost all Boston hospitals aren't hiring nurses. Boston Medical Center has been a level 1 trauma center for decades. They're now a level 2 because they can't afford it anymore. The Carney Hospital in Boston has had massive nursing layoffs.

[–]papabusche 41 points42 points ago

Weird, the hospitals here are going gangbusters and expanding constantly. I wonder if the probs in Boston have to do with the state budget, rather than obamacare.

EDIT: I found this

"Patient care access is suffering because the state has failed to provide fair reimbursement for care and its management is not effectively communicating with staff about a plan for the hospital's future," Turner said. "In order to save the hospital, the state must present a solution to the funding crisis and BMC management must include its staff in forming a real plan for the hospital's future. The hospital can't simply cut its way out of the current funding inequities."

My guess is you are in fact blaming Romney, and suggesting that since Obama has adopted Romney's plan, the rest of the country will soon follow suit.

[–]schwab002 23 points24 points ago

previously the most profitable ambulance service

Well there's the problem Obama is fixing.

[–]James_Arkham 20 points21 points ago

It really blows my mind that, in the American mindset, ambulances are supposed to be profitable.

[–]colinmurphy00 0 points1 point ago

Yeah, why should an ambulance service have excess funds for research and field tests?? That's just stupid.

[–]namtrahj 1 point2 points ago

Those things have nothing to do with profits, though.

[–]FrostByt 1 point2 points ago

hay, welcome to the rest of the world. I/anyone I know have not gotten a raise in 5 years.

[–]merelyasetback 4 points5 points ago

Why are you getting downvoted for explaining? :\

[–]colinmurphy00 26 points27 points ago

Because it shows that I think Obama did something wrong. Therefore I'm an asshole and probably a racist and should be downvoted.

[–]Numbajuan 5 points6 points ago

He is being downvoted for having an example of his statement, but his statement is arguing against the hivemind of reddit, so they downvote.

Regardless of his stance, he is bringing valid discussion to the topic, and that is what we'd like here. Not "I'm downvoting you because your opinion is different than mine!"

[–]swimatm 4 points5 points ago

Maybe ambulances shouldn't be privatized anymore...

[–]colinmurphy00 3 points4 points ago

Yeah! Maybe they shouldn't. Maybe they should be run like the OTB (that went out of business due to multiple levels of redundancy because of over-protective unions and financial irresponsibility). Maybe it should be left up to the states who always fund the schools first and cause police and fire departments to lay off their employees. Maybe they shouldn't be allowed to have any excess funds to test new life saving equipment in the field.

[–]JustAn0therDude 0 points1 point ago

And make calling an ambulance like going to the DMV.

[–]swimatm 3 points4 points ago

Oh yes, because that's exactly what it's like when I call the fire or police department.

[–]schwab002 2 points3 points ago

No. Make it public. No more profiting from other people's sicknesses and injuries. Make calling an ambulance like calling the municipal fire department.

[–]Funk_Munki 1 point2 points ago

significant cutbacks in the amount and quality of supplies we get

So they are giving you guys lower quality supplies to attempt to save people's lives with? Sounds like a great plan..

[–]colinmurphy00 5 points6 points ago

It's either that or lay off their already limited staff

[–]Funk_Munki 2 points3 points ago

Either option is completely screwed up. I hope you are not one of those who get laid off. Good luck brother.

[–]emitt123 5 points6 points ago

I'm in the same boat:(

[–]calvinator500 24 points25 points ago

my dad heard about this passing and all day hes been feeling actually sick about it. Talk about irony

[–]MadAsRabbitz 1 point2 points ago

Well at least he can have insurance for his sickness even if he can't afford it. :D

[–]danthemango 0 points1 point ago

I always chuckle whenever someone says Obama was the 'worst president ever'

[–]Canarka 6 points7 points ago

Non-american perspective: It seems like American people love[their president] at the start, then quickly hate their president for the rest of their term(s). As soon as they're out of office, they get put back on the love train. Bush Jr. was an absolute shithead for a president, but shortly after he got out of office I was reading tons of praise on how great of a president he was. Do people really forget that quickly?

I'm honestly impressed Obama has done such a good (imo) job for your country. He had to deal with 8 years worth of a monkey running the show. That is a lot of poop to clean up before he can accomplish anything.

[–]Whataboutthatguy 5 points6 points ago

People loved Bush because shortly after he took office the country got bombed. They rallied behind their leaders out of fear. It had zero to do with him doing anything right.

[–]Smilemon 24 points25 points ago

I'm pretty sure there's a lot more to life Healthcare than being really, really, ridiculously good looking. And I plan on finding out what that is.

[–]cooltom2006 119 points120 points ago

u guys need a national health service instead, like we have here in the UK. You can still buy insurance and have private care if you have the money.

[–]t1da1 37 points38 points ago

this rustles my american jimmies

[–]James_Arkham 10 points11 points ago

Shhh no tears.

[–]Claussm 14 points15 points ago

only american dreams now

[–]makubex 29 points30 points ago

Hopefully we'll get there one day. In the meantime, this is at least a step in the right direction.

[–]ForumWarrior 20 points21 points ago

Yep. Full blown NHS would have never made it. What Obama did was lay the foundation for it.

[–]schwab002 1 point2 points ago

Yes especially the provisions saying that health providers must spend a minimum of 85% of premiums on patient care.

[–]endercoaster 7 points8 points ago

NHS never would have made it because even the Dems are actually right-of-center. Fuck US politics.

[–]koleye 1 point2 points ago

The British Conservatives are further to the right than most center right parties of Europe (CDU/CSU, UMP etc.) and even they are supporters of the NHS. Many Dems would love a universal, single-payer system, but our political culture prevents too many of those people from being elected.

[–]DoTheRustle 84 points85 points ago

You take your sensible ideas and logic and GTFO. This is the internet and we don't take kindly to your kind 'round here.

[–]iaacp 39 points40 points ago

What an original comment!

[–]Arcon1337 2 points3 points ago

Original comments... on the internet? Well I never!

[–]KCintheOC 25 points26 points ago

I'm putting my foot down on the "logic and gtfo" comments. Downvotes from here on out.

[–]GandTforme 9 points10 points ago

But then how would rich people become middlemen and get a cut of that?

[–]atheist_maybe 6 points7 points ago

I don't think so. Why? Money. Money is why. We are already massively in debt. You guys even more so - as a percentage of GDP. And competition. Switzerland has a great healthcare and it is private. We don't need national health by any means. Not saying it won't work, but regulated private works as well.

[–]endercoaster 16 points17 points ago

We need to embrace the fact that the US has a mixed economy and be willing to ask when capitalism makes more sense and when socialism makes more sense. Because demand for healthcare is inelastic, there's a very strong argument that socialism is the better choice. The main argument against it largely concerns the jimmies of people who grew up during the cold war who think that socialism = Stalin.

[–]Caticorn 1 point2 points ago

I would be right there with you if health were a fair game, but things like cancer, or being born with some syndrome or condition (or getting hit by a drunk driver), are a lottery, and it's both ethically and economically effective to pool together and spread the risk of that lottery.

Not to mention, private healthcare thrives with a sick public, so it means that the industry doesn't really have the public's best interest in mind. With universal healthcare, it becomes a financial burden rather than a market sector that politicians like to see growth in, and suddenly it becomes more preventative than curative.

[–]atheist_maybe 2 points3 points ago

Oh, I completely agree. Which is why we regulate private healthcare with laws like this - thus getting the best of both worlds. Completely unregulated private healthcare is a stupid, stupid idea. No offense, Libertarians.

[–]mowza 1 point2 points ago

We don't need NHS. We need to copy some version of the French or Japanese model. NHS is better than what we have but isn't the best option out there. More Bismark less Beveridge though I do tip my cap to what Lord Beveridge and The Right Honourable MR. Bevan accomplished.

[–]Jackpot807 10 points11 points ago

Michele Obama is doing a duckface.

[–]upvoterss 13 points14 points ago

shes black its ok

[–][deleted] 45 points46 points ago

Driving a car with no one watching where they're going?

Apt.

[–]steelguy17 39 points40 points ago

Gas Fight!

[–]ChickenShoes 4 points5 points ago

How could they watch where they're going? They're busy drinking their Orange Mocha Frappuccinos.

[–]lolfoodforthought 4 points5 points ago

This played in my bead with that .gif.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FoWgXxlZQZQ

[–]SplodeyDope 17 points18 points ago

So explain this to me like I'm five: I can't afford insurance yet I make just enough to not be eligible for medicaid. How is forcing me to buy insurance helping me?

EDIT: As things stand now, I can be treated at a hospital and work out a payment plan to pay them off if something happens. My family is healthy and we can adapt to this if worse comes to worst (in most cases). Under this system, as I understand it, people who can afford to pay will be gouged to compensate for our inability to pay for regular care. What am I missing?

EDIT 2: Gotta love reddit. They'll downvote your question without offering any reason or argument. Thanks for contributing to the conversation guys! :/

[–]wendigee 19 points20 points ago

You won't have to buy it if you can't afford it. You will be subsidized because everyone who can afford it and doesn't currently have it will be required to pay for themselves and partially for you and anyone else who can't afford it.

[–]H5Mind 3 points4 points ago

Avoid ambulance rides. Drive yourself bleeding etc or better yet have a friend drive you. Those fuckers are the corsairs of the roads. Thousands of dollars in ambulance fees in a flash. I have a friend that was sedated and taken on a joy ride between hospitals for no medical reason, unconscious, and got fucked by the ambulance companies in fees. They will send your ass to collections in a heartbeat. Fuck em.

[–]adamdavidson 1 point2 points ago

Another positive to Canada. We still pay for Ambulances if we don't have insurance, but last time I had to call an ambulance, it cost about $45.

[–]SplodeyDope 1 point2 points ago

I agree, it is literally adding insult to injury.

[–]hiddencamel 1 point2 points ago

If you have a privatised ambulance service you may as well go the whole hog and privatise your police and your fire service too. I mean fuck, if you can extort thousands from dying people who are injured or sick, I'm sure you could get just as much from people being robbed or attacked, or who have their houses on fire.

[–]thentro 3 points4 points ago

Medicaid will be expanding to include more people than it was before, which sounds like it will cover you straight up. If you still make just too much money, you will be able to buy a high quality private insurance plan off the exchange at heavily subsidized rates. If you choose to not participate, the government will levy a tax on you equal to 2.5% of your income or $680, whichever is greater. The benefit you get from paying that fee is you will still be able to get insurance in the future, if you have a major medical crisis. Currently, you would be denied perhaps for the rest of your life. A small surgery can cost $30,000. Cancer treatment over $100,000. You are just above medicaid and you think you can work out a payment plan for that?

[–]SplodeyDope 1 point2 points ago

No, I don't. That's why I said "in most cases." That is precisely why I was asking.

[–]thentro 2 points3 points ago

Exactly. So in this case, the mandate/tax is basically a catastrophic plan who's rate is tied to your income. If there is any real steal-your-freedom mandate it is that. The liability everyone else carries due to the uninsured is just too great to let people duck in and out of the system all together. If you can not afford $30,000+ for surgery you either go bankrupt, the "hospital" pays for it (gets passed on to everyone else), or you die. None of those things are any good for anyone. By designing a system where you can get insurance if you really need it even if you are sick and uninsured, hopefully that mitigates that liability.

The incentive above the mandate is that if you are willing to pay more than the 2.5% (up to 8% of your total income with subsidies) you can go ahead and get regular high quality insurance and see real doctors when you want. But you don't have to if you want to risk it.

PS gave you an upvote for reasonable conversation to counter the downs for disagreement ;)

[–]SplodeyDope 1 point2 points ago

Thanks, that's the kind of answer I'm looking for! :)

[–]loginorreg 3 points4 points ago

Gotta love kids with no experience.

[–]90seconds 1 point2 points ago

My favorite is that Hilary has black hands.

[–]proteus91 1 point2 points ago

All of our freedoms are slowly being plucked away from us... This Once Amazing, Great FREE country is falling apart because of Obama.

[–]stickmansgirl 4 points5 points ago

"If you can't afford it, you don't buy it" sooooo, what's government's definition of "can't afford"?

[–]oblimo_2K12 4 points5 points ago

Did you know that, for a good, oh, century or so already, in the United States, if you needed healthcare but could not afford it, hospitals have had to give it to you for free?

No?

[–]SuiXi3D 1 point2 points ago

Right, because the people that run the hospitals just love giving out the only service they provide for free.

[–]oblimo_2K12 2 points3 points ago

Um. It's kinda, like, required? By, like, Federal law? Signed by Ronald God-of-Republicans Reagan, back in 1986 or some junk?

As for historical precedence, considering how many hospitals were founded as charities by religious orders, yeah, they loved to provided their services for free.

[–]tigerthecat5 2 points3 points ago

Hillary Clinton is in the front seat where as his wife is in the back? I sense a conspiracy!

[–]GandTforme 9 points10 points ago

To be fair, Hillary is in his cabinet, and Michelle (although probably an important confidant) is in her official capacity only allowed to make an organic garden.

[–]foxesandfalcons 5 points6 points ago

Well I'm all for the help of other people, I don't see how paying for insurance for those who can't afford it with the money of those who can barely afford it is gonna help much...

[–]taekwondeaux 9 points10 points ago

it helps the people who can't afford it...

[–]thefreshscent 3 points4 points ago

So because Joe Blow can't get a job, people who have little to no disposable income need to give up the little extra money they had to reinvest in the economy so that this guy can get his cough medicine.

[–]taekwondeaux 4 points5 points ago

nobody's breaking the bank on cough medicine. but i watched two friends get diagnosed with serious conditions--"preexisting conditions"--in our last semester of college. i.e., parent/university insurance about to expire. as i understand it, without "obamacare," that's bad news. the policy transcends mandates, and has helped people i know.

[–]wookinpanub52 1 point2 points ago

Because when those who don't have insurance and are broke get sick and go to the ER, guess who's pocket that comes out of?

Guess what is cheaper, seeing the doctor for preventative care or seeing the doctor once you have a full blown disease?

In either case you are paying for them. I'd just rather pay for someones preventative care than their emergency surgeries.

[–]beccaonice 3 points4 points ago

People who can't afford health insurance can get health care.

You know, human decency, sympathy, the betterment of people...

[–]bababooey55 4 points5 points ago

Oh look, I'm subscribed to /r/politics again!!!

[–]lurker_becomes_lurkd 8 points9 points ago

Congress uses Constitution. It's not very effective!

[–]ForumWarrior 21 points22 points ago

SCOTUS disagrees.

[–][deleted] 39 points40 points ago

The Constitution just worked the way it's supposed to- the three branches of government all just approved a law...checks and balances said the law is OK. That's how it's supposed to be.

[–]midreal 11 points12 points ago

well, you see, reddit user lurker_becomes_lurkd [sic] knows a great deal more about the law of the land than the fucking supreme court, and furthermore

[–]Funk_Munki 19 points20 points ago

[–]bobthecrusher 7 points8 points ago

Abraham lincoln was not a fan of following the constitution

[–]Funk_Munki 4 points5 points ago

Name a president that has been.

[–]entcinoman 6 points7 points ago

Awesome. So now I'm getting taxed for TWO things I'll never benefit from: Obamacare and Social Security.

[–]Masher88 3 points4 points ago

I love the internet and the weird mutha fuckas that have nothing better to do than make funny stuff like this....thank you all.

[–]xVertig0 1 point2 points ago

As a non-American, I really have no idea what Obamacare and the fuzz is all about. Could anyone give me some sort of short summary?

[–]k-volare 4 points5 points ago

http://www.reddit.com/r/explainlikeimfive/comments/vb8vs/eli5_what_exactly_is_obamacare_and_what_did_it/c530lfx

Not really short, but accurate and unbiased. Personally, I don't get all the fuzz either. It's not like taxes are insane or insurance companies are dead up here in Canada.

[–]MadAsRabbitz 1 point2 points ago

I have literally seen posts from uber-conservatives stating that they want to move to Canada.... I have yet to understand that logic. o.O

[–]svtracerd 0 points1 point ago

/r/politics is that way...

[–]skarface6 4 points5 points ago

BUT BUT BUT KARMA

[–]think_less 1 point2 points ago

Wake me up before you gogo

[–]Fastball360 1 point2 points ago

Front seat back seat. Which one should I take?

[–]CheFlegel 1 point2 points ago

It would be much better if America obtained Universal Healthcare through a candidate that actually is condoning Universal Healthcare. If Pearson had not introduced Universal Healthcare out of appeasement Tommy Douglass may have turned out to have been Canada's prime minister, someone who actually cared for social change. Right now insurance providers are the ones who are victorious in America with people being behind them. What America needs is an overhaul, not Democrat appeasement.

[–]jaspeh 1 point2 points ago

People can't talk about the erosion of liberty while trying to take the rights of others away by denying them the right to marriage.

[–]RedTiger013 0 points1 point ago

Fuck this

[–]Joshuaxton 1 point2 points ago

This comment holds no relevance to this conversation, not saying i agree or disagree, just add something.

[–]RedTiger013 1 point2 points ago

I apologize. Though I think half of this plan is good, I find the other half to be oppressing people's religion and therefore unconstitutional.

[–]OGMrWhite23 2 points3 points ago

This gif is fucking amazing

[–]xRohde 2 points3 points ago

Nothing is free, and we don't have any money for these programs. It would be nice if people could all receive these things for free, but we simply don't have the money for it. I'm sure you will relay to me all the reasons you have been told this will save us money, but it just does not work. Life is not fair, it never has been, and never will be.

[–]MadMonk67 1 point2 points ago

Its not the government's job to force you to get insurance.

[–]wendysNO1wcheese 1 point2 points ago

Damnit, get this shit off my front page.

[–]seej 0 points1 point ago

[–]Nebtaro 0 points1 point ago

waaaaait just a second. They're going to spray themselves in gasline and die? this sounds bad.

[–]spaxejam 0 points1 point ago

Poor Meekus, he was always my favorite

[–]Chukwulatte 0 points1 point ago

So thats what Joe Biden looks like.

[–]porcelaingod 0 points1 point ago

Orange Mocha Contraceptiiiiiiives!

[–]aooga12 0 points1 point ago

Where can I find an earlier post about obamacare where it's the game of thones sean bean saying something about your friends on facebook becoming politicians... i cannot find it anywhere on reddit.

[–]InTheHamIAm 0 points1 point ago

Affordable Health-care Act*

[–]SDcowboy82 0 points1 point ago

Love the first lady's face choice

[–]iamthepalmtree 0 points1 point ago

I love that Hillary is riding shotgun and Michelle has to sit in the back.

[–]Grrrr159 0 points1 point ago

Still shouldn't force you to have Medicare.

[–]bronybroseph 0 points1 point ago

why was condolisa rice in the car?

[–]TastyWagyu 0 points1 point ago

Yeaaay less jobs being created because of insurance rates skyrocketing!

[–]Cullly 0 points1 point ago

FRIDAY FRIDAY OBAMACARE ON FRIDAY

[–]CobaltSmith 0 points1 point ago

My only regret is that I have but one downvote to give.