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[–]micktravis 9 points10 points ago

News flash: The bible is full of incoherent nonsense.

[–]Pikminious_Thrious 1 point2 points ago

Noooooooooooooo....

[–]Noobtard_McCancerfag 5 points6 points ago

Well if God and Satan did exist, Satan is supposed to be the lord of deceit and lies. So it stands to reason that he would spread lies to get as many people doing his work as possible and condemning themselves to Hell. Isn't it possible then, that Satan was responsible for writing the bible in a way that would divide mankind and make them argue over its meaning as much as possible? Perhaps he also came up with the whole concept of an afterlife in order to eliminate the only true good in the world- people being altruistic and kind with no hope of any reward for it?

Once you introduce the idea of a super-powerful being trying to lie to you as effectively as possible, how could you ever trust any information again considering that the most generally accepted facts would be the most likely to be tampered with?

It's a good job neither God nor Satan exists really, I think it would be horribly confusing to think about too much.

[–]CyberDagger 2 points3 points ago

Mind = Blown

[–]terrordactoll 16 points17 points ago

Too bad neither exist

[–]minno 17 points18 points ago

Is that what you'd say if we were debating whether Samus or Master Chief was stronger? You can talk about the qualities of a work of fiction without believing that it's not fiction.

[–]Sheensta 2 points3 points ago

[–]RepostThatShit 1 point2 points ago

Is that what you'd say if we were debating whether Samus or Master Chief was stronger?

Basically, yes.

[–]GingerGeezus 0 points1 point ago

Wait... are you saying that neither Master Chief nor Samus Aran are real?

[–]gamertag543 3 points4 points ago

Everything I know is a lie.

[–]terrordactoll 0 points1 point ago

We don't have millions of people discriminating others over a religion that Samus and Master Chief are the foundation of. I understand your point, and it is a very good one. I was just saying that neither exist, which I realize if you are apart of r/atheism you already know.

[–]kobakoba 12 points13 points ago

I found this out on my own. A few hours later, I turned to atheism.

[–]Lobotomus_Prime 12 points13 points ago

Christian music sucks. Satan's music rocks.

Proof enough for me.

[–]Shanilla8 4 points5 points ago

I read this as "Why Santa is more powerful than god.."

Whoops!

[–]dorkrock2 9 points10 points ago

Why is this formatted

so

  • retardedly

[–]violaceous 2 points3 points ago

Freshman graphic design class?

[–]lactosefree1 1 point2 points ago

Why reposts are more powerful than original content

[–]The_Tao_of_the_Dude 1 point2 points ago

In other words, hail satan.

[–]Westonski[S] 1 point2 points ago

I wonder if there's an /r/satanism subreddit that this would've been better suited for...

[–]Buscat -1 points0 points ago

I really don't understand how anyone can call themselves a satanist and mean it. I suppose there's a large crossover between "satanists" and juggalos, for when your attention-whoring requires the lowest common denominator of stuff your parents will hate.

[–]ZalRed 2 points3 points ago

The church of satan does not literally worship satan. They believe in fulfilling carnal desires, favoring indulging one's self, living for one's own desires, etc. They call themselves the church of satan because their message is simply the antithesis of the christian message. They are really atheist, to take it literally.

[–]Westonski[S] 1 point2 points ago

Well, there's a difference between atheistic satanism and theistic satanism. I actually looked into the whole /r/satanism thing after posting, and that subreddit DOES exist and there are both atheistic and theistic satanists on it. Theistic satanists are the fucking loony ones, while atheistic satanists are the ones that you described, (LaVeyan satanists) and the ones that I agree with on a lot of accounts, all though I wouldn't go so far as to describe myself as an atheistic satanist. ;D

[–]jacobhghs43 1 point2 points ago

Actually, most deeper Christian theology addresses this. Satan succeeded at what he did, not because he was more powerful, or more intelligent, but because he was willing to do what God would not. He would deceive the world. He is like the Joker, succeeding over and over again because Batman refuses to kill him.

[–]RyGuy2012 8 points9 points ago

Batman may not be willing to kill the Joker, but God sure as hell doesn't have a problem killing who he deems wicked, even if that means murdering an entire planet of people, where only one family survives. But he refuses to kill Satan? Please. God ain't even half the noble hero Batman is.

I think God and Satan are actually best buds, and are in cahoots and it's all a big conspiracy. God uses Satan and hell as the big boogey man to scare you into believing in him. It's a win-win.

[–]udbluehens 7 points8 points ago

Except in this case Satan is the good guy in their own mythology.

They describe a terrible tyrant, etc etc, and call it god. But he's good, because just shut up and have faith, thats why. And they describe satan as someone who is helping mankind repeatedly, but he's bad because just have faith, thats why.

[–]LukeHasAimbot 0 points1 point ago

There is a critical difference between power and effectiveness.

[–]Uzzel 0 points1 point ago

Good thing I don't believe in Satan huh?

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[–]FRIENDLY_KNIFE_RUB 0 points1 point ago

This is why *idiots think we worship the devil.

[–]Protagoris 0 points1 point ago

It's not that Satan is more powerful, it's that humans are already shitty, evil hearted fucks and Satan just encourages them to follow their will, mean while, God is asking that you go against your will and follow his... which is almost always in direct opposition to what you want.

[–]neerajman 0 points1 point ago

For the sake of accuracy, people on r/atheism should remember that the Serpent was never attributed to be the Devil. It's just a Christian way of trying to explain why God's other creature--a talking snake--gave Eve the fruit (which, incidentally, was never said to be an apple). My point? A FREAKIN' SNAKE outwitted God.

[–]EvOllj 0 points1 point ago

I like text that shows christianity to be just as silly as scientology.

All religions are equally unreasonable, some are just more violent and more hypocritical.

[–]teldonh 0 points1 point ago

For the ~1% of you who aren't merely interested in taking cheap shots at straw men, but actually learning what Christianity teaches, here's a preacher who does a good job of explaining this:

John Piper- Did God's Plan Include Sin from the Beginning?

[–]FRIENDLY_KNIFE_RUB 1 point2 points ago

Thanks for the link. I take issue with the idea that "God created sin without being the least bit sinful", That concept doesn't seem to make sense. But then he rounds it off with: we cannot hope to understand God's ways. and that's where intelligent conversation ends, I guess.

[–]1n2n3n4JAZZHANDS -1 points0 points ago

It never actually states in the bible that the serpent in the Garden of Eden is the Satan.

Jewish people believe it was Adam's first wife in the form of a snake.

Its just a piece of christian orthodoxy that most christians don't know why they believe. Please look it up and then throw it in their faces. I know you /r/atheism kids love to do that.

[–]GodKronos 2 points3 points ago

Wait I am genuinely confused. If Adam and Eve were the first two humans to be created how in the fuck could adam have a fist wife?

[–]FRIENDLY_KNIFE_RUB 1 point2 points ago

In Jewish folklore, from the 8th–10th centuries Alphabet of Ben Sira onwards, Lilith becomes Adam's first wife, who was created at the same time and from the same earth as Adam. This contrasts with Eve, who was created from one of Adam's ribs. The legend was greatly developed during the Middle Ages, in the tradition of Aggadic midrashim, the Zohar and Jewish mysticism.[3] In the 13th Century writings of Rabbi Isaac ben Jacob ha-Cohen, for example, Lilith left Adam after she refused to become subservient to him and then would not return to the Garden of Eden after she mated with archangel Samael.[4] The resulting Lilith legend is still commonly used as source material in modern Western culture, literature, occultism, fantasy, and horror.

to answer your question: it doesn't make a lick of sense, there's conflicting versions of the fiction, and that's why we're here. :)

[–]Protagoris 0 points1 point ago

Doesn't Adam have three wives? Also, I've always heard that Lilith went along coast of one of the seas and had a bunch of sex with demons, giving birth to succubi and incubi... any of that shit correct as far as the mythology goes?

[–]GodKronos 0 points1 point ago

Huh never heard of that, thanks for the clarification!

[–]1n2n3n4JAZZHANDS 0 points1 point ago

There is a lot more to Lilith than a wikipedia copypasta.

[–]1n2n3n4JAZZHANDS -1 points0 points ago

I thought atheists read the bible? It never states that in the bible either. It is interpreted that way by SOME christians. Mainly because Catholics believed it once. This is all christian orthodoxy, its something Christians believe but don't know why. They think its in the bible but a Catholic or a Jewish scholar (apparently not an atheist?) can point out to them that they are clearly mistaken. Look at Genesis or google it.

[–]GodKronos 0 points1 point ago

Yes because I spend my spare time going over every inch of the bible so I can debate every little thing that religious people say...

No I have better things to do with my time than read shitty fiction and debate idiots.

[–]1n2n3n4JAZZHANDS -1 points0 points ago

Then why do you care what the bible says about Adam and Eve? Calm down buddy just being facetious with the whole "atheists know the bible better than christians" thing. When I was a Catholic I used to get into arguments with a lot of fundies who were sure that the old testament spoke of the devil in the garden of Eden and as a fallen angel. But it doesn't. Its folklore and mythology independent of the bible. The adam and eve story and the fall of satan are completely different in the three major abrahamic religions. There isn't even a real Satan in judaism. Just sayin'

[–]1n2n3n4JAZZHANDS -1 points0 points ago

Really? Are you 12?

[–]GodKronos 0 points1 point ago

[–]1n2n3n4JAZZHANDS -1 points0 points ago

No. And you're not a good troll. At least try to be original and don't blow your load right away.
I almost forgot its summer again. Butthurt? That's what 8th graders used to say in 2006.
I was just posting the truth about the bible. I'm just an agnostic here on /r/atheism to point biblical fallacies to an audience that is usually interested in it.

The only way you could possibly be a good troll is if you were a christian here to make atheists look like bratty kids. If that's what you are, well done.

[–]GodKronos 0 points1 point ago

No. And you're not a good troll. At least try to be original and don't blow your load right away.

you could possibly be agood troll is if you were a christian here to make atheists look like bratty kids. If that's what you are, well done.

Wat.

I'm just an agnostic here on /r/atheism to point biblical fallacies to an audience that is usually interested in it.

mfw when you are still responding and getting butthurt to commenter that could give zero shits about what you have to say, on a post that has been dead for several days, that didn't give a fuck what you had to say in the first place.

[–]Nico_Shadowolf -1 points0 points ago

I'm sorry. I can't help it.

What is a fist wife? Is it a Redneck punching bag?

[–]TrickOrTreater -2 points-1 points ago

trolllolololololololol...