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[–]berrybear 84 points85 points ago

no love for this..

this

hypocrite

[–]me_gusta760 2 points3 points ago

yea why the hell is this posted in r/trees, almost an insult to the community. Yet the community upvoted it..so maybe theyre uninformed?

[–]vindeezy 1 point2 points ago

Real talk

If Obama was ever caught smoking weed and sent to prison he would have never been in the place he is today, he is an absolute hypocrite.

[–]YOLLABOT -3 points-2 points ago

Welcome to the real world, where sometimes YOU HAVE TO FUCKING COMPROMISE.

[–]Phallic 15 points16 points ago

I don't consider going further than your enemies a compromise.

[–]Datastream 20 points21 points ago

Except he didn't. He said he would bust less ass for weed and shit and instead he busts more than bush did.

[–]crapped_on_reddit 0 points1 point ago

Pretty sure Obama said he wouldn't bust medical marijuana users, nowhere did he say he would allow mass grow ops or dispensaries.

You need to keep a few things in mind here. The number of dispensaries that exist now is substantially more than did during the Bush administration. Even if they kept to the same policies, the fact that there ARE more means they will be busting more.

Not all of them that are busted are innocent. Some of them are either getting their product illegally, or getting caught selling outside the medical laws.

All of that aside, it is not Obama's place to change the laws, it is the place of Congress. You are blaming the wrong person here.

[–]Cocomaan 2 points3 points ago

Your last statement is false. Obama can drop marijuana from the Schedule I classification tomorrow. It's his call, and he doesn't.

[–]crapped_on_reddit 1 point2 points ago

So you're saying you want him to re-miscategorize it? It is a bad idea, as marijuana is not a schedule 2 drug either, so it will just perpetuate more false information.

It needs to be changed the proper way in the Legislative branch for it to hold any weight

A Schedule 2 drug is a drug(justice.gov pdf - Page 3 bottom right):

  • The drug or other substance has a high potential for abuse.
  • The drug or other substance has a currently accepted medical use in treatment in the United States or a currently accepted medical use with severe restrictions.
  • Abuse of the drug or other substances may lead to severe psychological or physical dependence.

Opium, Morphine, and Cocaine are all Schedule 2 drugs. What exactly will that accomplish now?

[–]Cocomaan 0 points1 point ago

The executive can make any drug any schedule he wants, so again, your claim that "it is the place of Congress" is entirely false. For fuck's sake, Marinol is a schedule 3 drug. It's completely arbitrary, and you know it. Keep on apologizing for the fascist in chief while the rest of us continue to place blame where it's deserved. I have no idea why you feel the need to do so, but it's embarrassing.

[–]thatsnotoregano 0 points1 point ago

Schedule 3 is more likely, don't you think? Just because you reach 2 first doesn't mean the President the number 3 doesn't exist.

He could reschedule as a schedule 3, PRESCRIPTION DRUGS BETWEEN YOU AND YOUR DOCTOR.

MEDICAL MARIJUANA WOULD BE FEDERALLY LEGAL TODAY IF OBAMA SAID SO

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[–]ThousandArmy 4 points5 points ago

Because Romney cares about us ents! yea...right?

...guys?

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[–]dlos22 0 points1 point ago

Ron Paul is the only choice!!

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[–]jesusinabottle 4 points5 points ago

Voting against Obama about weed is stupid. Stop with the single-issue voting - is weed the only thing you care enough about to really sway your vote? There's this thing called the economy, wouldn't you rather make a decision based on that? It's tremendously more important than legalization currently, sorry.

And voting for Romney because you like weed is doubly stupid. Yeah, -2 votes for Obama, but it's AN EXTRA GODDAMN VOTE FOR ROMNEY WHO WILL NOT CHANGE ANYTHING IF NOT MAKE IT WORSE.

I don't get you man.

[–]Cocomaan 0 points1 point ago

Nothing wrong with single issue voting. My barometer for whether someone is cool or not is their thoughts on weed.

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[–]jesusinabottle 0 points1 point ago

K

Alright let's run with this. Marijuana is a extremely important issue in this years election, because it won't have another shot for four more years.

The President really has fuck all to do with legalization, so this might be a little bit misleading. That's really the legislative branch's job. However, that really wasn't the crux of that paragraph, which was as follows:

I just want the medical industry to be stable. I think it's unfair to have crippling disabilities, and not have access to marijuana, because the guy we voted in ran 180 on his platform.

This is certainly a valid point, and Obama has not done a very good job of it, obviously. However, I reiterate that voting out Obama is not going to change that - we have a better chance with him than we do Romney. Typically, Republicans are full on against any sort of legalization, medical or not. I don't see why Romney would be any different. Therefore, it doesn't matter who we vote for, I think it's a wash. So on to the economy:

How is Obama going to improve the economy? Obama is not a believer of the free market, and thats what our country is built on. Money has to be able to easily flow, this is obviously not the case.

In regards to the free market, Obama is mainly talking about government regulation of such entities as insurance companies or financial institutions. The thing is, money = power. If we let the those who already have a shit ton of power do as they wish so that they can acquire more power, well there's fuck all the average person can do to stop them. The type of thinking that letting huge corporations do as they wish, often illegally, would be good for the average American or good for the economy as a whole is foolish. That's what has got us into this mess in the first place. It leads to further inequity of the American populace, which you note as an important issue further down. Money does not flow freely when the majority of it is stuffed away in billionaires' pockets.

Obama is also a debt train, hes added more debt that Presidet Bush and that's incredibly hard to do.

Ok, here's the thing. Don't attribute debt run up based only on the time when someone is in office. It's foolish, as past policies take years to come into effect, and others are inherited and are extremely difficult to end. There is a way to tally the effects Obama has had on the deficit. Look at every piece of legislation he has signed into law. Every time Congress passes a bill, either the Congressional Budget Office or the Joint Committee on Taxation estimates the effect it will have on the budget over the next 10 years. And then they continue to estimate changes to those bills. If you know how to read their numbers, you can come up with an estimate that zeros in on the laws Obama has had a hand in. With Bush, please consider: the Bush tax cuts, the Wars, a variety of other taxes tallying in at about 480 billion dollars, other defense spending, TARP and HERA, the prescription drug bill, and non-defense discretionary spending. That brings the total deficit spending by Bush to about 5 trillion after he left office (sources below). For Obama: deficit reduction policies projected through 2017 - the healthcare bill is projected to reduce 123 billion dollars from the deficit on net. There are also cuts for defense and other automatic spending cuts. Legislation that adds to the deficit: The American Reinvestment and Recovery Act, Two year extension of the Bush tax cuts, and other mandatory spending. According to the Washington post, that brings the total to around 1 trillion. So, no, Obama has not run up the deficit more than Bush.

[Romney will] lower the capital gains tax which will increase the equity in our country as a whole, just because he is allowing the volume to expand.

According to Erskine Bowles, Romney's plan would be impossible with out some sort of increase in taxes on the middle class. So, the deal is, lower taxes for the wealthy and high taxes for the average American. That wouldn't increase equity, it would further harm it. Has tax plan coddles the ultra rich, as according to a report it would save him nearly 3.4 million a year. This guy doesn't represent me, and I'm certainly not voting for him.

But hey! Health care was a good idea right? He cause doctor rationing, will kill at least 7 mill jobs a year, and he will drive the cost of it through the roof.

The thing is, Obama's spending policies are always front loaded while his saving policies are backloaded. In fact, the Healthcare bill is projected to save a trillion dollars in its second decade. So your qualm with cost isn't much of an issue.

Sources:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/adding-to-the-deficit-bush-vs-obama/2012/01/31/gIQAQ0kFgQ_graphic.html

http://business.time.com/2012/01/25/romneys-tax-plan-would-save-him-millions-but-not-as-much-as-gingrichs/

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-06-24/romney-s-love-fest-with-business-is-sometimes-a-mismatch.html

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[–]jesusinabottle 2 points3 points ago

I just smoked and forgot why I was arguing in the first place. I could respond point by point, but I think we both know it's not going to change either of our opinions. What are your interests? Do you like chess? We should play a game.

[–]High_Im_Guy 1 point2 points ago

Don't get me wrong... I love marijahoochi as much as the next ent, but do you really think its the most important issue in the upcoming election? And you think that voting for romney is going to help your situation at all? Heres a quote directly from his campaign website "marijuana is the entry drug for people trying to get kids hooked on drugs. I don't want medicinal marijuana." Obama is stuck between a rock and a hard spot on this issue; by changing very little policy wise regarding medical marijuana he has essentially stirred up the least amount of shit possible, giving him the best chance of re-election. I know its a far cry from what we want... But give Obama a second term, one where he's not worried about re-election, and lets see if he can make the changes he promised. Also, IMO, the best case scenario is one where the government has no say on marijuana laws, because it has always been a state issue and the federal government should have no say. /endunorganizedrant

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[–]412420 -1 points0 points ago

Your logic is so flawed it's laughable. The marijuana issue is important to you, yes? THEN DON'T FUCKING VOTE FOR ROMNEY IF YOU HAVE ANY GOD DAMN SENSE WHATSOEVER! I'm not telling you to vote for Obama, but don't say that he needs to be removed when the alternative is clearly much much worse for the issue at hand.

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[–]412420 0 points1 point ago

Obama definitely wishes he could just reform marijuana laws and have that be the end of it, but it's a much deeper, much more complex issue that he has to approach with finesse. I really disagree with pinning all the blame for the dispensary raids/etc on Obama, even though yes it did happen on his watch. You can't expect him to approve and be consciously aware of every single decision being made by the government agencies under him. Marijuana decriminalization/legalization is an issue that needs to be handled very carefully at the exact right time if we have any hope of it actually getting through.

This was posted on here a few days ago, so you may have seen it already but: http://video.foxbusiness.com/v/1697067910001/chong-100-obama-will-legalize-marijuana-for-election/

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[–]DCMFDOOM 1 point2 points ago

I don't know if you realize this, but ending your rants with those little jabs makes you an immature dick, and not a reasonable ent.

[–]412420 0 points1 point ago

Jesus Christ, I don't need your condescending explanation. To me, it seems like you're the one who really has no idea. You're responding with the exact same information that my last post was meant to address for fucks sake!! It's about compromise, a point that's already been brought up. Obama isn't an idiot, he has smoked weed before and he definitely understands that reform is necessary. He probably wanted/expected to be the one to do something about it, but it's more complex than you're willing to consider. I'll liken it to what happened with bringing the troops home. This was a major selling point for Obama's 2008 campaign, but upon entering office he was briefed with information that made him realize the necessity of delaying such actions, even though that means going back against his word and potentially pissing some people off.

"Fox News lol" ---- No need for this type of douchey comment. I was posting a video of a discussion that seemed relevant. I'm not citing fox news as a source for anything definitive, nor am I claiming Tommy Chong as one either. It's just food for thought on relevant subject matter.

We've gone really off-topic at this point, but the fact of the matter remains that it's a horrible idea to remove Obama from office if marijuana reform is important to you. You can say what you want about what Obama may or may not do in the future, but I can tell you for a fact that Romney will be much more aggressive opponent of progress, especially with marijuana.

[–]Mildo 0 points1 point ago

I pity your ignorance.

[–]Cocomaan 0 points1 point ago

We have the highest incarceration rate in the world, second only to Stalin himself. You don't compromise with terrorists, and the people running our justice system are terrorists.

[–]Dapalm89 31 points32 points ago

Too bad he bought into the game. Maybe what America needs now is a Presid[Ent]

[–]danish_of_doom 16 points17 points ago

What if Polis ran

[–]deepus 6 points7 points ago

This ,my frient, is what the whole world needs....

[–]xxyxxyxyx1 3 points4 points ago

You are a genius. If this still sounds like a good idea when I'm not a [6], this shit is a bumper sticker. Ents will get it, others wont' understand or care. Awesome.

[–]Recipe_For_Confusion 0 points1 point ago

Gary Johnson?

[–]kushdaddy420 4 points5 points ago

Probably right after he made an "interception." Damn you, Barry.

[–]TreesEverywhere 4 points5 points ago

CHOOOOOOOOM

[–]annefranksexdiary 18 points19 points ago

what a fucking scumbag

[–]cjmantica32 16 points17 points ago

Barack O'Ganja

[–]joshuaseal -4 points-3 points ago

jesus u are a genius !

[–]ImAdderable -3 points-2 points ago

Jesus ain't no genius. If he were, then he'd allow weed in the bible!

[–]darth_son 3 points4 points ago

Well, Jesus didn't write the bible. And the bible never says you can't smoke weed.

[–]ImAdderable 0 points1 point ago

Never said that he wrote it, but he's a major part of the bible, and by saying that you can't use any drugs in the bible, I'm pretty sure that Jesus supports that opinion.

[–]pedropara 0 points1 point ago

I am a really religious Catholic and an Ent. The bible never says that you can't do any drugs. It's just some people interoperate it that way. Just like some people interoperated certain passages to justify slavery.

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points ago

That's fucking cool, if he's the president of the United States who knows how I could end up...

[–]Puddindoobop 10 points11 points ago

You can do exactly what he did and end up in jail.

[–]ChristheCunt 5 points6 points ago

The game of liiiiiiife!

[–]optiout 3 points4 points ago

Question for you guys at an [8]

How many of us have been chillin on the couch, listening to some tunes and think:

"man, I should become president one day"

"I could do that..."

[–]burning_consciousnes 3 points4 points ago

To me, this just proves how fucked up the entire system is. This guy, a minority, a dude that came from a normal home, smoked herb and was pretty legit. Got turned into a giant political puppet who the conservatives absolutely can't stand and who the liberals don't want to have to vote for again. Maybe our second black president will have some balls and vote with his or her heart.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point ago

Wait, Obama is our second black president...

[–]slynchdawg 1 point2 points ago

If only David Palmer hadn't been executed, now THERE was a black president

[–]ProButcher 0 points1 point ago

um...

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[–]alexNeso 1 point2 points ago

Looks kinda like Drake.

[–]havebrain 1 point2 points ago

Vote or Die

[–]0mega9401 2 points3 points ago

when the fuck is the choom gang book coming out???

[–]smokeghost 1 point2 points ago

If he was a true ent, prohibition on both cannabis and hemp would have ended by now.

[–]switch50 2 points3 points ago

One does not simply, end prohibition where big monies have been invested.

[–]YesSirSir 1 point2 points ago

Unfortunately, it's nowhere that simple.

[–]DarthOzai 0 points1 point ago

None of you have any idea of what happens behind closed doors, as much as you'd like to think you do. This picture is freedom, and youth.

[–]dlos22 0 points1 point ago

BOOOOOOOO GET THIS CRAP OUTTA HERE

[–]realspitta 1 point2 points ago

What a G.

[–]rodut 0 points1 point ago

Fuck him.

[–]Puddindoobop -1 points0 points ago

Fuck this guy.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point ago

This is like art. I would frame and hang this in my home.

[–]thebadguyy 0 points1 point ago

Cool as fuck.

[–]QuadsNotBlades 0 points1 point ago

I want a high def version of this photo

[–]xxyxxyxyx1 1 point2 points ago

First: tineye.com is super useful for this. Look up similar images from an image.

I tried it, this is the largest res in the search engine. If you find one, post back =)

[–]Thomasthemonkey -1 points0 points ago

Reddit should make a T-Shirt of this with a nice comment

[–]timmer420 -3 points-2 points ago

The first time i seen this picture on r/trees i put it as my profile pic for facebook and its been ever since

[–]Oluja -1 points0 points ago

Cigarette.

[–]Jollyranchr -1 points0 points ago

Barack OGanja

[–]0ldgr3g -2 points-1 points ago

CHoom gang ftw

[–]tskrilla618 -5 points-4 points ago

You know why he's so corrupt? Cause he came from Chicago. The politicians in Illinois all come out of Chicago and that's why they're all a bunch of gutless, crooked, sons of bitches. Shit, my father knows many political personalities through his work and got to know many personally and knows that most of them are totally in favor of medical marijuana and drug policy reform but continues to do nothing about it because if they speak up, their votes/funding are in jeopardy.

Edit: I don't really understand the downvotes. I could give a fuck less about the karma but what I was talking about is a HUGE problem with a lot of politicians, not just Illinois. A lot don't speak for the people, they speak for their bank accounts. Also, it's a pretty widely accepted thing around here that Chicago breeds politicians to appease the highest bidder. Rod fucking Blagojevic

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points ago

they just decriminalized a half ounce or less in chicago

[–]tskrilla618 0 points1 point ago

That's pretty cool but just because one good thing happened doesn't mean they aren't known for breeding some crooked ass dudes. It goes all the way back to the mafia days (not saying that they're still involved).

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points ago

oh, i know. it's one small consolation for having 2 governors in jail and mayors that sell us out constantly

[–]tskrilla618 0 points1 point ago

But it is a big step in the right direction to decriminalize. Hopefully this kind of thing will start trending. Can't wait to see where this is going.

[–]thatsnotoregano 0 points1 point ago

I don't get the downvotes either. Chicago has a serious rep of dirty politics.

[–]tskrilla618 0 points1 point ago

THANK YOU! I mean I figured at least most people would agree with the politicians not speaking for us. Oh well, I'll just go get high about it.

[–]barnacleeater -1 points0 points ago

He's corrupt because he is a politician