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And so it did happen. (i.imgur.com)
submitted 4 months ago by PopeSweetJesus
[–][deleted] 28 points29 points30 points 4 months ago
Plenty more at the source website.
[–]bruiserx 4 points5 points6 points 4 months ago
I was about to post the same thing (source website)! People need to give credit where it's due.
[–]CouldaBeen_TheBest 11 points12 points13 points 4 months ago
Whatever you do, don't blink.
[–]IameAuhSomme 1 point2 points3 points 4 months ago
Why not?
[–]CouldaBeen_TheBest 2 points3 points4 points 4 months ago
It's a Doctor Who reference. There are stone angels that can only move when you can't see them.
The one in the picture bears a striking resemblance.
[–]IameAuhSomme 0 points1 point2 points 4 months ago
ohhhhh ok thanks
[–]superjujubean 5 points6 points7 points 4 months ago
Every time this pops up, I laugh like a choking horse.
[–]lissyloubee 0 points1 point2 points 4 months ago
mee tooo
[–]dem_aqplez 3 points4 points5 points 4 months ago
I laughed loud enough at work to draw attention, then I saw your username... Bravo, you just made my whole day brighter, PopeSweetJesus
[–]PopeSweetJesus[S] 1 point2 points3 points 4 months ago
Good to hear!
[–]Gravee 7 points8 points9 points 4 months ago
This never gets old. Seriously.
[–]rauf107 5 points6 points7 points 4 months ago
Oh man. All those times I did this to my little brother when I was little.
[–]BorealismemeWizard 2 points3 points4 points 4 months ago
Made me smile. Nice one.
[–]eimantas 4 points5 points6 points 4 months ago
book, chapter, verse please .]
[–]bogan 3 points4 points5 points 4 months ago
The image is from this painting depicting the story of Jacob wrestling with an angel sent by Yahweh or Yahweh himself, depending on how the passage is interpreted, is from Genesis 32:22-32. The story is also mentioned in Hosea 12:2-5.
How could Jacob defeat the deity or his angelic representative in a contest of strength,. The German Protestant Old Testament scholar Hermann Gunkel (1862–1932) writes in The Legends of Genesis:
Jacob's wrestling with God suggests that this Jacob was really a Titan, and consequently we can scarcely avoid seeing here a faded out myth..."
If you are interested in how the myths and legends of the Old Testament were developed over time, I'd recommend Legends of Genesis; you can obtain audio and e-text versions of the book for free here.
There are other versions of the legend in Jewish mythology. In The Tree of Souls: The Mythology of Judaism by Howard Schwartz, there is the following on page 361:
The Magic Flock When Jacob arrived at the river Yabbok, he sent his servants across first, then his wives and children. He himself wished to remain alone there, to rest from his escape from Laban, and to prepare himself for his encounter with Esau the next day. Soon after everyone else had crossed the river, a shepherd arrived there with his flocks. He proposed to Jacob that they help each other in crossing their flocks, and Jacob agreed. They started with Jacob's flock, and in a twinkling the shepherd succeeded in transferring all of them to the other side. Then they turned to the shepherd's flock, and Jacob assisted him by carrying the animals two by two across the river. Jacob worked without pausing, but after he had forded the river with a great many animals, he saw that the flocks of the shepherd had not grown smaller but seemed to have increased. Still Jacob continued to bear the flocks across the river hour after hour. But as the day began to grow dark, he saw that the flocks of the shepherd still reached to the horizon, with no end in sight. Then Jacob understood that this was no ordinary shepherd, but some kind of magician, and that all the flocks he had carried were only an illusion. In his fury Jacob accused the shepherd of enchantment and deceit. Then the shepherd touched his finger to the earth, and a great fire burst forth. But this display of his power did not frighten Jacob, and the two began to struggle, and they continued to wrestle all night. During their struggle the magician wounded Jacob in his thigh, but Jacob refused to let him go. In this way Jacob received his adversary's blessing, and his name was changed from Jacob to Israel. Some say that shepherd was Samael, the guardian angel of Esau, who came to Jacob to weaken him before his encounter with Esau. Others say it was the angel Michael, who had been sent by God to show Jacob that he, like the angels, was made of fire, and that he had nothing to fear from Esau. And, in truth, after this struggle Jacob was a changed man, who put down his weapons and his pride, and bowed seven times to his brother, and Esau ran to meet him and embraced him (Gen. 33:4), and at last they came together in peace. This legend is closely related to the account of Jacob's wrestling with the angel in Genesis 32:25:33. The identity of the sorcerer thus depends on the identity given to the angel Michael or as the guardian angel of Esau, who, disguised as a shepherd, first got Jacob to agree that they would assist each other in carrying their flocks across the river Yabbok, and then created the illusion of so many flocks, attempting to exhaust Jacob before they wrestled and before Jacob's encounter with Esau the next day. This guardian angel of Esau is most often identified as Samael or as Sar shel Romi, the guardian angel of the Roman Empire, because of the close association between Esau and Rome. This story is of particular importance as it is an early example of an illusion tale, a type of tale that has a distinct and prominent place in Jewish lore. This theme was probably drawn into Jewish lore from oriental sources, where it is also very popular Sources: Genesis Rabbah 77:2; Midrash Tanhuma, va-Yishlah 7.
The Magic Flock
When Jacob arrived at the river Yabbok, he sent his servants across first, then his wives and children. He himself wished to remain alone there, to rest from his escape from Laban, and to prepare himself for his encounter with Esau the next day.
Soon after everyone else had crossed the river, a shepherd arrived there with his flocks. He proposed to Jacob that they help each other in crossing their flocks, and Jacob agreed. They started with Jacob's flock, and in a twinkling the shepherd succeeded in transferring all of them to the other side. Then they turned to the shepherd's flock, and Jacob assisted him by carrying the animals two by two across the river. Jacob worked without pausing, but after he had forded the river with a great many animals, he saw that the flocks of the shepherd had not grown smaller but seemed to have increased.
Still Jacob continued to bear the flocks across the river hour after hour. But as the day began to grow dark, he saw that the flocks of the shepherd still reached to the horizon, with no end in sight. Then Jacob understood that this was no ordinary shepherd, but some kind of magician, and that all the flocks he had carried were only an illusion. In his fury Jacob accused the shepherd of enchantment and deceit. Then the shepherd touched his finger to the earth, and a great fire burst forth. But this display of his power did not frighten Jacob, and the two began to struggle, and they continued to wrestle all night.
During their struggle the magician wounded Jacob in his thigh, but Jacob refused to let him go. In this way Jacob received his adversary's blessing, and his name was changed from Jacob to Israel.
Some say that shepherd was Samael, the guardian angel of Esau, who came to Jacob to weaken him before his encounter with Esau. Others say it was the angel Michael, who had been sent by God to show Jacob that he, like the angels, was made of fire, and that he had nothing to fear from Esau. And, in truth, after this struggle Jacob was a changed man, who put down his weapons and his pride, and bowed seven times to his brother, and Esau ran to meet him and embraced him (Gen. 33:4), and at last they came together in peace.
This legend is closely related to the account of Jacob's wrestling with the angel in Genesis 32:25:33. The identity of the sorcerer thus depends on the identity given to the angel Michael or as the guardian angel of Esau, who, disguised as a shepherd, first got Jacob to agree that they would assist each other in carrying their flocks across the river Yabbok, and then created the illusion of so many flocks, attempting to exhaust Jacob before they wrestled and before Jacob's encounter with Esau the next day. This guardian angel of Esau is most often identified as Samael or as Sar shel Romi, the guardian angel of the Roman Empire, because of the close association between Esau and Rome. This story is of particular importance as it is an early example of an illusion tale, a type of tale that has a distinct and prominent place in Jewish lore. This theme was probably drawn into Jewish lore from oriental sources, where it is also very popular
Sources: Genesis Rabbah 77:2; Midrash Tanhuma, va-Yishlah 7.
If you aren't familiar with the biblical legend, Esau is the older brother of Jacob. The two are twins, but Esau was born first making him the one destined to inherit their father's wealth. But Jacob manages to deceive their father, Isaac, into bestowing the birthright on him, instead. Esau, of course, is furious at this treachery, which is why Jacob is anxious about this meeting between them later in their lives as told in the Genesis 32 story.
On page 366, of the same book, there is another variant of the legend with Jacob wrestling the angel Uriel.
The identification of the angel with whom Jacob wrestles as Uriel who derives from Prayer of Joseph 1:5-9, which supplies the reason for the wrestling--jealousy on the part of Uriel: "He envied me and fought with me and wrestled with me, saying that his name and the name that is before every angel was to be above mine. I told him his name and what rank he held among the songs of God. 'Are you not Uriel, the eighth after me? and I am Israel, the archangel of the power of the Lord and the chief captain among the songs of God. Am I not Israel, the first minister before the face of God? I called upon my God by the ineffable Name.'"
It isn't unusual for cultures to have many variants of a legend. One finds that in Greek as well as Jewish mythology and the mythologies of other cultures. In Genesis, you can find a number of myths that are not combined together seamlessly. The two creation myths in Genesis 1 and 2 and the intermixing of two flood myths in the Noah and the Ark story are two examples.
[–]WanderingSpaceHopper 2 points3 points4 points 4 months ago
I liked the legend version better, sounds like a comic book super hero duel.
[–]jbergste 1 point2 points3 points 4 months ago
I know that feel, bro.
[–]J_B_B 1 point2 points3 points 4 months ago
And so it did happen, and it was good.
[–]polarbobbear 3 points4 points5 points 4 months ago
Oh good, I haven't seen this posted since a couple days ago.
[–]Skwerl23 5 points6 points7 points 4 months ago
i come here daily, and i have never seen this. then again i only look at the top 30 or so at a time
[–]honeypowered 5 points6 points7 points 4 months ago
Still gets a chortle out of me every time.
[–]Lemmiwinks0141 0 points1 point2 points 4 months ago
Must be Friday again....
[–]UnanimouslyAnonymous 0 points1 point2 points 4 months ago
I always read this in Kent Brockman's voice.
[–]GreyEarth 0 points1 point2 points 4 months ago
I laughed much harder then is considered normal, or sane. Now I'm going to go back and do it again.
[–]i_am_sad 0 points1 point2 points 4 months ago
and God saw that this was good.
[–]0motnahp0 0 points1 point2 points 4 months ago
I lol'd pretty hard at this and sent it to everyone I know.
[–]TacoPaiPai -4 points-3 points-2 points 4 months ago
Im just wondering, what does this have to do with atheism? Just because its an angel there doesnt mean it should be put in this subreddit. This is more like /r/funny
[–][deleted] -3 points-2 points-1 points 4 months ago
Shut the fuck up. You have those two little arrows, just like the rest of us. It appears that the green arrows of /r/atheism outweigh the blue arrows on this submission, meaning that the userbase of this subreddit has decided it belongs here. You're welcome to unsubscribe at any time.
[–]TheThunderBringer 4 points5 points6 points 4 months ago
Be a liiiiittle bit more of a douchebag about it, I don't think he's getting the message.
[–]TacoPaiPai -1 points0 points1 point 4 months ago
The number of upvotes doesn't mean that they think its the right subreddit, it means that they like the post. And even answering my previous post makes you a hypocrite, i mean you do have those two little arrows like the rest of us, right?
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 4 months ago
I was about to type out a response, then I decided to take a quick peek at your comment history. Painfully obvious troll is painfully obvious.
I really don't see what is so trolly about them. Perhaps you do not know what the term means? Or perhaps you could not come up with a response, and decided to be nonchalant about it, thus sparing you of humiliation?
TROOOOOLLLLLL! I didn't expect to hear from you again.
Hang on, not come up with a response to what? All you did ultimately was say "No, you!" in a roundabout way, there was nothing substantial to respond to. I'll leave you to your exciting life, perpetually bitching about submissions being in the wrong subreddit.
[–]TacoPaiPai 0 points1 point2 points 4 months ago
Still going steady with the Troll thing huh? How about atleast looking up the definition, i mean seriously. And how the hell did you get that to "No, you!" ?. I explained to you that the number of upvotes doesn't mean that they think its the right subreddit, since you said that the upvotes meant they thought it was in the right subreddit, when it is actually how they like the post. I have no fucking clue as to how you got that to "No, you!" And looking at your earlier responses to me, im gonna go ahead and call you the troll. Now that you have been called troll, i suggest you finally look it up before making more of a fool out of yourself.
[–]PopeSweetJesus[S] -3 points-2 points-1 points 4 months ago
I can guarantee ppl in /r/funny would say it belonged in /r/atheism.
[–]tigger0jk 2 points3 points4 points 4 months ago
Well I can guarantee that they DIDN'T say that when it was posted there 15 months ago. Or when it was posted there 11 months ago. Or 9 months ago. Or last month.
What I'm saying is I'm doubting your guarantee. Unless you explicitly plan to say it yourself when this is inevitably reposted there again. That you could reasonably guarantee.
[–]PopeSweetJesus[S] -1 points0 points1 point 4 months ago
Sure. Now, continue to drown me in the sweet water of your karma.
Why? This post is meant to be funny, not promote atheism or demote religion in any way. And like tigger0jk said, they didn't before.
Just because it made you laugh does not mean it belongs in r/funny. There are plenty of pictures in r/aww for example that makes you laugh because they are funny, but they still belong in r/aww because of the majority of it's context.
It belongs in /r/funny because its meant to be funny, not because it made me laugh. This is not meant to promote atheism or demote religion, therefore it should not be put into r/atheism
Alright, want me to delete it and post it in r/funny? Look, I get your point, but just get over it. I saw the angel and the Bible refrence and therefore thought it belonged here. There are plenty other pictures in r/atheism that will make you laugh, but they still belong here.
No i don't want you to delete it and post it in r/funny, since its already been posted there three or four times. Yes, there are other pictures in /r/atheism that will make you laugh, but their intent is not to be funny, but to promote atheism or demote religion.
[–]stonerdaveyy -7 points-6 points-5 points 4 months ago
I POSTED THIS A WEEK AGO, AND THIS GETS FRONT PAGE? FFS.
[–]davidod 2 points3 points4 points 4 months ago
And yet when you posted it, it was already a repost.
[–]helalo 1 point2 points3 points 4 months ago
now youll never get married, youll loose your job and youll life will never be complete..what shall you do now ?
all it takes is a username and password
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is it really that easy? only one way to find out...
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