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[–]NakedFatGuy 257 points258 points ago

You should have a problem with society, not kickstarter.

[–]divineroseinc 68 points69 points ago

The problem with Kickstarter is that they are going to allow this to happen even though it breaks their own TOS.

[–]h00pla -1 points0 points ago

They're going to allow her to make movies just as was previously approved before all this drama happened? The nerve of them, something that didn't violate their ToS before it became popular is going to continue to not violate their ToS now!

[–]Herborist 13 points14 points ago

something that didn't violate their ToS before it became popular is going to continue to not violate their ToS now!

So, you're ok with people violating their ToS as long as it's done covertly?

[–]kolossal 3 points4 points ago

Isn't she violating the ToS by using the funding to promote a campaign? She's also selling copyrighted material that does not belong to her.

[–]h00pla 2 points3 points ago

She's using her funding to create a series of movies about a specific topic that was approved before her project was allowed on kickstarter. It was all above board before the drama, the statements about Kickstarter letting this happen because of the money they get is utter bollocks because they ok'd everything before it became huge.

[–]kolossal 0 points1 point ago

Yes, but she switched from making a series of movies to a campaign against discrimination or someting.

[–]h00pla -1 points0 points ago

Do you have proof? Her kickstarter page says nothing of the sort. It still says she's making a series of movies analyzing and deconstructing commonly used tropes with regards to women in video games.

[–]kolossal 5 points6 points ago

[–]h00pla 1 point2 points ago

An 'infographic' that does nothing but say she's violating the ToS without even attempting to offer a superficial semblance of proof beyond 'I know it'. Please don't ever use that as proof of anything but /v/'s feelings on the matter

[–]vroomvroomeeert 39 points40 points ago

I have more of a problem with white knights giving her donations for her emotional pain.

[–]shenboy 9 points10 points ago

Yea, there's no way that she has anything insightful to say, or produced good content.Her success doing a job most of us would love is only because she's a woman, and gets shit I don't because I am a man.

[–]Conot 14 points15 points ago

If I made a series about how Hello Kitty is overly targeted at women, and was then derided by women for saying dumb things, no one would blink.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points ago

Switch Hello Kitty with My Little Pony and you would have a brony army to take care of you.

[–]Negative_Luck 0 points1 point ago

The only sure way that you could say that would be to actually make the series. I'll be looking forward to it!

[–]RogueNine 2 points3 points ago

I understand the sarcasm and have reset you to 1. Don't fuck this up, man.

[–]tuxedojacob 0 points1 point ago

Society made Kickstarter the way it is.

[–]Kimos -5 points-4 points ago

It's a real problem. But it has absolutely nothing to do with Kickstarter.

[–]Conot 7 points8 points ago

Technically it does. The campaign is currently in violation of the Kickstarter ToS, but it most likely will not be taken down because a) media coverage "Kickstarter is anti-female!!!!!" and b) They get a cool 15 grand off of that campaign

[–]h00pla -2 points-1 points ago

How is it against Kickstarter's ToS? She has a well-defined project with an end-product that she's requesting funding for.

[–]Conot 4 points5 points ago

Her original project, the video series, was completely within the rules.

Its the multiple press interviews and other numerous media appearances that have turned it into a awareness program, something that is absolutely against the ToS

[–]h00pla 0 points1 point ago

Funny, I don't see anything about funding multiple press-interviews or other media appearances on her kick starter page, and I was equally unaware that she's now prohibited from doing press-interviews because she also happens to use Kickstarter.

[–]erfling 81 points82 points ago

While I find your statement at the end of the post as annoying as many others on this thread, I did actually go donate to Brian Banks, because he does kind of deserve it. Others should too.

[–]mtiernan 5 points6 points ago

I cannot wait to start my first summer job this year, so I can start donating to things like this.

[–]andyfrank 2 points3 points ago

not sure if ...

[–]mybillionthaccount 0 points1 point ago

Misread as Briana Banks. Carry on.

[–]Honbomb 0 points1 point ago

kind of deserve it?

[–]Jrodkin 43 points44 points ago

That's not kickstarter's fault, kickstarter seems like a great company and great idea.

It's the donor's faults.

[–]Thorvalde 10 points11 points ago

This breaks their TOS and they let it happen.

[–]Jrodkin 0 points1 point ago

I'm sure they're not all happy with it, but when it becomes about gender, not religion or culture, only blatant societal problems, there must be serious conflict of interest with room for debate from both sides. So it's hard to handle, I'd guess.

But I doubt there are many companies ever without that issue, I don't think it says enough about Kickstarter to deem them as "bad."

Nijedit: my guess is their gonna let her keep at money so far but make we stop the funding from going on any longer.

[–]blzd4dyz 0 points1 point ago

They should at least make her remove the donation reward stickers that depict copyrighted Nintendo property. I'd prefer if they took down the whole thing, but it won't solve the world's problems either way.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point ago

Regardless, if you stick to your guns on that point you'll just look like too many people already do in this thread: like you're grasping at straws.

[–]somethingwittier -2 points-1 points ago

Came here to say exactly this.

[–]Paula_Deen 114 points115 points ago

No one needs 150k to make youtube videos.

[–]cocobella 35 points36 points ago

In fairness to her, she only asked for 6K.

[–]wes337 66 points67 points ago

No one needs 6k to make youtube videos.

[–]Tipsyy 27 points28 points ago

She already has her set up. No one needs 6k for googling game news

[–]MrBlueberryMuffin 7 points8 points ago

She is going to use the money for better equipment and games. The games I understand. That can be costly. The equipment is just flair stuff. She clearly has good enough equipment.

150,000 is a ridiculous amount though. I hope she donates it or kicks it forward.

Edit: Lot of the replies are getting are misogynistic bullshit. Bring something valuable to say instead of pointing out that shes a woman. I don't think her being a woman is what got her so much money: its comments like the ones I've gotten as well the coverage her kickstarter got.

[–]Peccata 1 point2 points ago

She's actually not allowed to do that. You can buy a lot of things with Kickstarter funds, but you can't buy a camera, you can't fucking buy video games, etc. Everything she needs to make these videos, she already has. Not to mention she was giving away Nintendo's copyrighted likeness in exchange for money without their permission.

The only reason this wasn't shut down was because it got so much exposure and support. If KS shut it down, they would look like huge assholes, regardless of whether they were right or not. Basically, KS are a bunch of spineless fucks.

[–]Sciar 0 points1 point ago

Technically she's running a business. Agree with her or not but trying to sustain your profession on 6k is actually an impressive feat.

[–]blzd4dyz 1 point2 points ago

True, but the world would be better off if she got a real job.

[–]tusko01 3 points4 points ago

ah yes, let's arbitrarily decide how people should spend their money

[–]illuminerdi 6 points7 points ago

Well all the originally asked for was $6k, so it's not like she originally intended to obtain 150k for her "youtube videos"

And I would assume that given the overwhelming amount of funding she has received, she can now explore distribution options she never even considered given her originally small funding expectations, get top of the line equipment, and possibly even explore getting the subject onto a larger medium such as a television network, DVD, or Netflix, by making a full-blown documentary.

[–]Conot 13 points14 points ago

Yes, she can use top of the line equipment... TO RECORD HER FACE AGAINST A MATTE SURFACE. IN HD. 1080P. 3D. BLURAY.

[–]h00pla -3 points-2 points ago

r/gaming

puts a post about someone's options with more money at -1 total

upvotes a post that is simply a mocking paradoy to +12.

Keep it classy.

[–]fizz4m 2 points3 points ago

Depends on the project, but yes, most of the time you do not need 150K to make youtube videos.

[–]Undoer 1 point2 points ago

If you were making a full length amateur film then you could easily use 150K, but she is not.

[–]Recklessly 3 points4 points ago

Apparently she does.

[–]BigMac849 106 points107 points ago

How does this belong in Gaming? I suggest the men's rights subreddit.

[–]RobFireburn 11 points12 points ago

it may or may not "belong" in /r/gaming, but I hope that man gets more backers out of it being here. I think he deserves any help he can get, and 1 post on /r/gaming that may not belong here isnt hurting anybody, only helping someone.

[–]Azrael_Ferrum 33 points34 points ago

She's making videos about how video games are sexist. No Idea about Brian Banks though

[–]Solomaxwell6 22 points23 points ago

The post is only incidentally about video games.

[–]TerryArchi 10 points11 points ago

On that logic, this should be posted to /r/suits, since a man on banks' pic is wearing one.

[–]The_Derpening 11 points12 points ago

or /r/malefashionadvice, so they can tell you what's wrong with his suit.

[–]dr_professor_patrick 0 points1 point ago

Are you fucking serious

[–]nulspace 4 points5 points ago

let me field this one: yes.

[–]Its_aTrap 1 point2 points ago

It's in /r/gaming because the original post about her asking for money on kickstarter was on /r/gaming.

Usually updates, [fixed], or any type of add-on to a post are posted in the same subreddit.

[–]BigMac849 0 points1 point ago

Well I just don't really see how this goes along the rules of /r/gaming about showing game related content within the image. This post doesn't really give any insight in video games in general.

[–]Fallacybecause 62 points63 points ago

You're comparing cherry picked anecdotal evidence.

[–]VladTheImpala 23 points24 points ago

Well this is Reddit...

[–]Animystic 5 points6 points ago

All of the comments like this are at the bottom, even though this is the truest statement in the thread. This website really is filled with blubbering babies who overreact to everything without a single thought.

[–]EllenPage 14 points15 points ago

How is this Kickstarters fault?
People can spend their money on whatever they like.

[–]illuminerdi 35 points36 points ago

Really? You're going to cherry pick like that?

I'm not saying what happened to the guy on the left wasn't tragic if he was innocent (don't know the case so I don't feel comfortable expressing a viewpoint on that) but that is a failure of the legal system, not of kickstarter.

The woman on the right produced a highly marketable idea that clearly has a lot of support and interest - which is what Kickstarter is for, people funding projects they want to see made reality. I have no idea what the guy on the left is trying to fund - was it even a commercial good or project of some form, or was it just like money for his legal defense fund?

[–]A_Caught_Abra 8 points9 points ago

He's trying to fund a documentary to inform people of what happened. Actual page: http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1681576010/the-brian-banks-story

[–]Mikey1ee7 3 points4 points ago

Girl on the right broke TOS.

[–]KodyxDestroyer 0 points1 point ago

How I see no way that she broke the ToS?

[–]Thundahcaxzd 3 points4 points ago

no funding of "awareness campaigns"

[–]illuminerdi 2 points3 points ago

Her original project was not a TOS violation - she only violated the TOS after her project got huge, and the potential TOS violation is murky, since the original project was not the TOS violation, so what she does with the excess money may not be considered TOS violation, if she still delivers on the original project. If KS pulls her funding or revokes her money, I'd consider that pretty bad form - at most they should discuss it with her and give her the option to not violate the TOS by letting her know that doing so would be against the rules, rather than just pulling the money out because she said something wrong before investigating whether or not it was kosher.

Also, the people who are hating on her for after the fact TOS violations seems, well, shady to me. It's like they're latching onto an excuse to hate on her when previously they had none, because they just dislike her or her message, but didn't want to jump on the hate train beforehand because they would be lumped in with all the bigoted/sexist/racist/rapist comments that originally peppered that category.

[–]galivanter 81 points82 points ago

You had me up until the comment about a male dominated society. How is that even related? The fact that a woman got more support from a kickstarter campaign than a man is evidence that men are the victims of a gender bias? I'm sure you could find plenty of examples of undeserving men who got more donations than Brian Banks, too. I would argue that the real problem here isn't gender inequality or kickstarter, but just a confused society that values pseudo pop stars over the quality of life of a wrongly convicted man.

[–]SilentTset 30 points31 points ago

Her videos are about how women are portrayed in video games and then after being harassed, the project shifted towards an awareness campaign (which is against the rules of Kickstarter).

That's what the picture is criticizing.

[–]Cancerous86 24 points25 points ago

The picture should have stated that, then, instead of making it about gender inequality.

The whole thing is stupid and is fully engineered to get the male-dominated unthinking masses of this subreddit to upvote it. Seriously, just think about this post before you defend it further. It is only marginally related to gaming and the "point" that was made has nothing to do with what you stated in your post.

[–]galivanter 4 points5 points ago

I can undertsand that. But taking offense with how one individual took advantage of kickstarter's rules and regulations and accusing society of having an anti-male bias seems like two different issues to me.

[–]nulspace 2 points3 points ago

Open your eyes, galivanter. There's a war going on. A sexist war. I'm trying to free your mind, galivanter. But I can only show you the door. You're the one that has to walk through it.

[–]bakerac4 1 point2 points ago

Thank you.

[–]Fredifrum 21 points22 points ago

"Makes money virtually doing nothing"

Alright, that seems like a bit of a stretch. If you're going to make a point like this, at least make some sort of effort to shelf your egregious bias.

[–]arkain123 7 points8 points ago

It has nothing to do with the people. She just markets herself better on the internet. I'd never heard of this dude.

[–]ToraZalinto 6 points7 points ago

He's been a big case with MRA's recently. He was wrongly convicted by being railroaded into taking a plea deal when there was no evidence of him committing rape against Wanetta Gibson. Prosecutors literally gave him 10 minutes to decide to take the plea deal or not. Telling him that the jury wont believe him because he is both black and male. After his 5 years Gibson contacted him on facebook and agreed to meet with him and a private investigator. At that meeting she was recorded recanting her rape accusations against him. Her family was awarded 1.5 mil (IIRC) from the state because the rape "happened" on school grounds. He will only be awarded about 200k for the five years he spent incarcerated. Just to give you a little background.

[–]blade2040 -1 points0 points ago

So since he was wrongly convicted does this mean that Gibson's family has to pay the money back to the state? I mean it basically sounds like they accepted money and this guy ended up in jail wrongly and her family gets $$$ for lying? Maybe someone should rape her for realz so she knows the difference next time. Just sayin...

[–]ToraZalinto 0 points1 point ago

While I definitely don't agree with that last sentiment she should be put in jail and be forced to pay back what she was awarded. However she's on welfare (fucking pissed the money away) and so there's nothing to get back and prosecutors don't want to charge her because "It would make real rape victims afraid to come forward." Which is bullshit.

EDIT: Quick addition as well. As far as I know the two never even had sex. (honestly not even sure if they were friends or anything) Actually there was no physical evidence to indicate that she had sex at all.

[–]DrCowboyFace 4 points5 points ago

Wow, this sure does inform me about video games and video game news.

[–]unhelpful_commenter 6 points7 points ago

A SINGLE COUNTEREXAMPLE INVALIDATES THE IDEA THAT WOMEN ARE GENERALLY AT A DISADVANTAGE TO MEN IN OUR SOCIETY.

[–]DecryptedGaming -1 points0 points ago

That comment was exceedingly unhelpful.

[–]Macrat 9 points10 points ago

Kickstarter isn't for raising funds to benefic associations. People that pay that girl should give those money to the real associations that help women in trouble.

[–]kris919 3 points4 points ago

Be a Banks Backer and Back Brian Banks.

alliteration.

[–]Undoer 1 point2 points ago

Be a brilliant banks backer by backing Brian Banks.

Made it a bit better for you.

[–]CosmicBard 3 points4 points ago

What the fuck does this have to do with Kickstarter?

Or for that matter, what in the name of fuck does this have to do with r/gaming?

You wouldn't even have heard about the rape case if it weren't for Kickstarter.

How dare you drag that amazing, groundbreaking organization's name through the mud.

[–]Kyoeishinkirou 1 point2 points ago

You should have a problem with marketing.

[–]apinney89 1 point2 points ago

Neither of these belong on Kickstarter. Kickstarter isn't supposed to be used to provide regular income for ANYONE. It's supposed to be used to (get this) 'kickstart' a product/idea for a product into actual production. I think there should be a way to 'down vote' these kinds of kickstarter posts, putting them further from their goal. That would put an end to these ridiculous uses of the system real quick.

[–]Jzadek 1 point2 points ago

Your comment at the bottom was irritating, inflammatory, unnecessary, and completely untrue. You're making a sweeping statement about society based on a sample size of 2. No sociologist would ever accept that.

[–]bookywooky 1 point2 points ago

Yeah fuck women, right? Because this one example obviously shows how completely and utterly that it's men who are oppressed, right?

[–]DyingBreed5FDP 1 point2 points ago

[–]bradamantium92 23 points24 points ago

Barely even gaming related. Still laughably wrong.

[–]bradamantium92 4 points5 points ago

Can't believe I got downvoted, even if it's only twice. Kickstarter is basically a matter of PR. Sarkeesian is getting massive amounts of attention in gaming media and even media at large, whereas this is the first time I've heard of Mr. Banks. This has nothing to do with some sort of secret Kickstarter bias or the ignorance of its users. And it definitely isn't a sign that patriarchal society is a lie made up by opportunist women. If I had more than $20 in my bank account, I'd be donating to both of them.

[–]mistahnice 4 points5 points ago

Get your /r/mensrights out of my /r/gaming.

[–]jobr0809 4 points5 points ago

What on Earth does this have to do with gaming?

[–]Red-Trooper 2 points3 points ago

how is Brian Banks struggling? he's already trying out for NFL teams.

[–]globalchill 7 points8 points ago

do you think that trying out for the NFL is the same thing as actually being part of the NFL?

[–]allworkandlowpay 1 point2 points ago

He also will very likely get a very juicy settlement from the impending lawsuit against the state for wrongful imprisonment.

[–]StateFairShare 4 points5 points ago

My guess is Brian Banks will see far less in restitution from the state of California than the $750K his former accuser "stole".

[–]storme_weather 1 point2 points ago

1.5 mil actually

[–]Masterbench 27 points28 points ago

If you think that in anyway will give him back the time he spent in jail, his ruined reputation, and 5 years of his life that were wasted, you are literally retarded.

[–]Nyxlana 5 points6 points ago

If you think that receiving money from a kickstarter will in any way give him back the time he spent in jail, his ruined reputation and 5 years of his life?

It's horrible that mistakes like this are made in our justice system, but like you said, there's nothing they can do to amend the mistake fully.

[–]NinjaGinger666 13 points14 points ago

If you look at the actual Kickstarter, the money he's getting is for a documentary dealing with his experiences. Which I'd say is a worthy cause.

[–]shadowrabbit -1 points0 points ago

He won't get any money from the state. First off, wrongful imprisonment suits are rarely ever won, and I mean rarely. You basically have to show the prosecutor knew you were the wrong person and went on and convicted you anyway, and I've heard of a few cases where that basically happened and the person still didn't win. Plus, he plead guilty, which basically ends the discussion right there.

[–]freelandford 0 points1 point ago

No you are wrong on two counts. The girl formally admitted to Brian that she made it up and is sorry and just wants to make it a thing of the past.

And secondly, and WAY more importantly, he pleaded nolo contendere, or no contest, which is NOT an admission of guilt! It is important when a person pleads nolo contendere to a crime, that case cannot be used as evidence of former wrongdoing when being tried for a new case. In this case, he will sue for wrongful imprisonment and never pleaded guilty.

[–]shadowrabbit -1 points0 points ago

Going to try to be as nice as possible deep breath

The fact that the girl admitted she made up the story has NOTHING to do with a suit against the state for wrongful imprisonment. In fact if anything it actually would shield the state from liability. (It would be relevant as to a suit against her however).

When you are suing a state for a wrongful conviction you are suing the prosecutor in his individual capacity (unless the state has specifically authorized a suit against it for wrongful conviction). A prosecutor has what's known as a limited immunity, meaning that so long as they were acting within the scope of their employment they can not be sued for their actions.

A prosecutor who brings charges against a man for rape when he has a woman saying she was raped by that man (even though she is lying, so long as the prosecutor does not know she is lying) is acting within the scope of his employment. It is his jobs to prosecute people he believes to have committed rape. So you would have to prove that prosecutor not only had reason to know, but actually knew the woman was lying and prosecuted anyway. That is if you are suing the prosecutor, if the state allows however for a wrongful conviction you must meet the statutory requirements which is where the nolo contendere plea comes in.

While you accurately copied the definition of nolo contendere you completely ignored it's meaning in a suit for a wrongful conviction. It is just as you said a guilty plea that can't be used against you in a civil suit. But you were still CONVICTED of the crime you plead nolo contendere too.

CA Penal Code 4903 says in order to get money for a wrongful conviction you can't "by any act or omission on his part, either intentionally or negligently, contribute to the bringing about of his arrest or conviction for the crime with which he was charged." A nolo contendere plea does exactly just that. You are bringing about the conviction by saying you agree to not have a trial and to be convicted of the crime. You can't go "I accept punishment" and then later go "You were wrong to punish me, pay me."

[–]bowchikabadders 4 points5 points ago

This has been poster all over 4chan, and a few places on reddit, for the past couple of days. My main problem with it right now, It's got nothing to do with video games.

[–]vagaryblue 1 point2 points ago

Who is this Brian Banks guy? Google search led me to Briana Banks, whose related "works" are pretty... nsfw...

[–]A_Caught_Abra 0 points1 point ago

I googled him and i saw one "Briana Banks" and she was just in a bikini.

but heres the actual kickstarter page. http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1681576010/the-brian-banks-story

[–]vagaryblue 1 point2 points ago

http://i.imgur.com/gTYfG.png Here's my result page...

But anyway, thank you for your link!

[–]A_Caught_Abra 1 point2 points ago

I don't want to sound ignorant but i think it may have something to do with the difference in our languages it may even be location.

You 're very welcome!

[–]Some_Guy112 1 point2 points ago

I like this post, but why is it in /r/gaming?

[–]yroc12345 1 point2 points ago

WARNING: The entirety of the comments for this post is a downvote hell. Don't post anything remotely controversial or you will end up with -20 Karma.

[–]DashAnimal 0 points1 point ago

For the record, it is possible to support both - it doesn't have to be one or the other. It's ironic because the Anita thing is only so big because of the abuse and harassment she suffered that it was easy to see the effect on the internet. If those same people had brought the same attention online to the Brian Banks thing, it would probably get massive funding too. Instead, the focus seems to be to continually harass Anita (even with THIS image). It isn't a problem with Kickstarter so much as a problem with people not being aware, people not raising the right kind of awareness, people not having good ethical values in general and the mainstream response to that. I have a problem with "Men's Rights" groups using the Brian Banks story as a way to kick down Anita but everything has been so irrational so far. It's a shame. We need more (consensual) love in the world.

[–]Shishhh 0 points1 point ago

abuse? she got a few mean comments. no reason to receive 150k in reparations

[–]Nyxlana 7 points8 points ago

A few mean comments? This seems like more than a few. That, and what was done to her Wikipedia page. All this because she wanted to make a video involving stereotypes of women in video games. Yes, she doesn't need that much money to make them, but the fact is she is being attacked, harassed and even threatened because of the topic. And because, however small this percentage may be, people in our wonderful gaming community who think that her analyzing and critiquing common, somewhat sexist, female roles in video games is an attack on their culture.

It's fine that you disagree with the amount of money she is receiving, but don't undermine the abuse she received for simply the IDEA of the kickstarter. The money came flowing in faster after the fact.

EDIT: and yes, I think it's horrible that Brian Banks was so wrongly imprisoned and now has to start his life completely over. If I had money, I'd donate (I didn't donate to Anita either). But, there are hundreds of other Kickstarters that get funded more than Brian Banks that are just as 'useless' and 'meaningless' as this one.

[–]Undoer 2 points3 points ago

Some of those are by no means abuse, I quote:

"While I'm interested in seeing the video, I don't see why you need $6000 to make it.

*But they've already donated almost $24,000, so I won't worry about it."

That's not abuse, that's criticism.

There are also a lot of people claiming that they think Women have equal rights, which is being marked as abuse. It may not be her opinion, it may not be the case, but it's not abuse.

I admit there's loads of trolling and 'abuse' on her Wikipedia page and in those comments, I just wanted to sound off about how a lot of the comments were not abuse but differing opinions. As for the abuse, it's the internet, women get told to make a sandwich, black people get told to eat watermelon, Jews get told to count their gold, white people get told to go back to the basement, and guys get told to do what ever their stereotype is meant to do. If she couldn't deal with comments like that she shouldn't have hosted her videos on YouTube.

[–]morzinbo 1 point2 points ago

THE MEAN PEOPLE ON THE INTERNET SAID MEAN THINGS TO ME!!! ;_;

[–]Nyxlana 9 points10 points ago

Oh calm yourself. No one deserves abuse for something she hasn't even said yet. If they were making these comments after the fact, after they've watched the videos she is going to create and are then disatisfied with her opinion and want to troll her, it'd be slightly different. Instead, she's getting a shitton of sexist, abusive comments simply because she WANTS to state her opinion.

[–]morzinbo -5 points-4 points ago

I hate to break it to you, but people are going to be assholes everywhere and anywhere they can. Lots of people have been convinced by this (re)post that she's an evil bitch, and lots of people have been convinced of the same by /r/gaming and /v/, and others have been convinced that she's a great person doing great work, as reflected in the amount donated on her kickstarter page.

It's not a matter of what someone deserves, because life doesn't work that way.

[–]Nyxlana 10 points11 points ago

I realize this. I also realize that at the moment, the gaming community is considered inherently sexist because of a small percentage that is, and a larger percentage that say "Just deal with it" and shrug their shoulders because it doesn't actually affect them. It's pretty stupid, and while I don't actually care how women are represented in the games themselves, because they're fictional characters, it's irritating to see actual women and people in the gaming industry being attacked because they ARE women, and they want to speak out on their opinion.

I guess I just pictured /r/gaming as being a little less tolerant of this kind of stuff, but there's really no use in arguing. People will believe what they want to believe. And since /r/gaming is predominantly male and usually will never have to deal with prejudice like this, there's no reason for the community as a whole to do anything but shrug their shoulders and say 'deal with it'.

[–]G_Morgan 1 point2 points ago

Yeah and the community should tell them they are fucking tossers. Rather than being quiet and silently cheering them on.

[–]h00pla -1 points0 points ago

And she's not receiving $150k in 'reparations', but that's a nice straw man, well crafted. She's receiving $150k to do what she said she was going to do.

[–]Tronaxious 0 points1 point ago

150k$ for making youtube videos. There's NO excuse for that.

[–]h00pla 1 point2 points ago

She asked for $6k to make a series of videos, people very willingly gave her more.

Sounds like a great excuse to me.

[–]Shishhh 0 points1 point ago

make youtube videos? you can do that with $0 if you own a video camera

[–]h00pla 0 points1 point ago

You can make them for free after you've bought all the equipment required for it.

[–]Shishhh 1 point2 points ago

she's already been making them hasnt she? why she needed any money at all is beyond me.

[–]h00pla -1 points0 points ago

Because then you can make better movies. Are you really so unimaginative that you can't come up with any ideas as to why she'd want more money for her videos?

[–]Shishhh 0 points1 point ago

are we still going on about this? 150k is a lot of money to ask for if you're only making youtube videos.

[–]h00pla 0 points1 point ago

But she didn't ask for that much. Did we get mad at Tim Schafer for getting more money than he asked for to make his game? She want $6k to make a series of videos of better quality than she had previously done. How on earth can she be considered in the wrong for letting people willingly give her more?

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points ago

Could be wrong, but can't you stop a Kickstarter any time? You want to know what I would have done in her position? Either:

a) Let some extra cash come in, a reasonable amount to make said better videos. Being generous, let's say double the amount I was asking, then stop.

b) Do a) except once this generous milestone is reached, pledge to donate the rest to a worthy cause, possibly one related to the issues I am discussing.

She's not in the wrong for using Kickstarter the way it was intended, or for letting the donations come in. However, assuming she could stop any time she desired, 150k is crazy to make Youtube videos. While completely on the straight and narrow rules wise, I personally think it would be more noble to give some of the money away, especially considering that it's being given mainly as a form of protest against the deplorable behaviour of trolls.

Comparing this to Tim Schafer... I don't know. If making Youtube videos to a really high standard cost 150k, then I'll let the comparison stand, because there'd be little difference. But honestly it seems a little excessive for a series of critical videos about videogames.

[–]Peccata 0 points1 point ago

She could have stopped it as soon as she got her 6k, but she didn't. That means she wanted more.

[–]Verizian 1 point2 points ago

At this stage I think people are just grasping at straws. You're honestly telling me you have a problem with people donating money to someone who doesn't need it because there are people who need the money more? Right, then go complain about all the useless shit people buy on a regular basis instead of supporting the falsely accused, the hungry, the sick. It's not like the 10 dollars somebody gave Sarkasian was their last bit of cash and now they're forever barred from supporting charities. Also, I totally agree that people should have looked at Sarkasian's pile of money and thought 'well okay, she's funded, might as well give the cash to someone else'. What I don't understand is how you seem to tie this to an inherent bias society has towards women who, because of this one over-funded Kickstarter are apparently the true oppressors. There is nothing to link an unfair rape conviction with the Kickstarter, they are totally separate issues. The Kickstarter had better media reach and it got funded because of that. If anything, blame news outlets that didn't run with it. I believe if Brian Banks had publicity besides an indignant 'angry white male', nobody would have shorted him on cash.

[–]Devon302 1 point2 points ago

Yeah totally Kickstarter's fault. 100%, no one else's

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[–]darthbone 2 points3 points ago

tl;dr: The US is super male dominated because saudi arabia is more male dominated?

[–]IronGranny 0 points1 point ago

My jimmies are rustled...

[–]MFchimichanga 0 points1 point ago

That isn't kick starters fault, it's stupid people's fault.

[–]Titty_Fart_Mcgee 0 points1 point ago

brian banks is going on to the 49rs now.

[–]storme_weather 0 points1 point ago

To try out.

[–]artiomchi 0 points1 point ago

This has NOTHING to do with kickstarter, and everything to do with the people who decide to support something there, with the advertising and marketing involved in a campaign.

Things like the carmageddon revival, the revolights, the chameleon homescreen, backer capper lens caps, and yes, the tropes vs women campaigns had good marketing campaigns. I heard about them, and reviewed them.

The Brian Banks campaign? I NEVER HEARD of it. Not a single mention anywhere. Which is why I never supported it. Not because kickstarter sucks, and not because I'm a terrible heartless human.

[–]CndConnection 0 points1 point ago

Aren't both technically not supposed to be doing that sort of shit on Kickstarter?

I thought there was a rule on no "causes" or support things...but of course Kickstarter has no problem making money. What was the figure again? 15,000$ ?

[–]Indon_Dasani 0 points1 point ago

Congratulations, you now understand how all business works, and by extension most of how money is allocated.

[–]Lark2002 0 points1 point ago

That's just the way ppl work. Hope it works out for the guy, he deserves a bit of luck. I gave contributed what I could, donations start at $1, there are no excuses for not helping this guy!

[–]agentup 0 points1 point ago

I only recently heard about Brian Banks. How bad was his lawyer?

That said I agree with others that noted this is not a problem with kickstarter. People donate to what they want to donate too.

[–]sharliecash 0 points1 point ago

While your argument was subjective I agree that this is a mockery.

[–]Olduvai_Joe 0 points1 point ago

So because a racist society shit on Brian Banks, and a few feminist groups happened to be wrong one time, and because gamers are a bunch of sexist fuckwards who need to be called out about it and a lot of people think so, Kickstarter is bad?

[–]tne2008 0 points1 point ago

Something that wasn't mentioned, Brian Banks was on his way to playing football at USC (if memory serves me correctly) and he was very likely going to be in the NFL. He's had a couple tryouts the past couple weeks, and just had one for SF 49ers today. I'm hoping he gets a chance.

[–]fotzenwasser 0 points1 point ago

is there a way in which can participate to screw her over?

[–]aarontg 0 points1 point ago

The difference here is that one doesn't involve rape.

[–]NoodleToucher 2 points3 points ago

People (like her) just have to find SOMETHING to fucking complain about.

[–]MFchimichanga 2 points3 points ago

Everything is sexist.

[–]Tronaxious 1 point2 points ago

Just show your tits and a cute face and the money will flood your bank. God, I'm so angry bitches like her have it easy while I struggle paycheck to paycheck.

[–]strifecross -1 points0 points ago

oh boo hoo...one thing and you have a problem with it? post it on reddit and forums and feel better about yourself. God damn kids...

[–]Beckneard 0 points1 point ago

Well yeah that's kinda the definition of having a problem with something you fucking idiot.

[–]strifecross 0 points1 point ago

Really brainiac? Please, tell me more...The two cases have nothing to do with each other. Why should I care about either of them and why should people compare them. Oh, wait that's right...because you find things to complain about and not be grateful for. If you are so damn honorable why aren't you helping the homeless people off the streets? Damn idiots these days. Pathetic filth.

[–]mechdemon 0 points1 point ago

The real shame is that Extra Credits does what this woman does better and covers ALL aspects of gaming, not just women:

http://penny-arcade.com/patv/show/extra-credits

[–]Tronaxious 0 points1 point ago

Though I hate his voice but you are completely right.

[–]Binba442 0 points1 point ago

Congrats, the amount of people funding this has doubled! (thanks to you?)

[–]Legion6226 0 points1 point ago

I don't see how picking out one thing you support and one thing you don't, then putting them next to each other makes kickstarter bad.

[–]12288 -1 points0 points ago

FEMINIIIIIIIIIIIIIISSSSTTTTSSSSS!!!!

[–]el_bhm -1 points0 points ago

Black and in USA

Real reason he's in jail.

Sand in vagina makes her rustle all your jimmies for attention

Stop giving it to her.

[–]p1415926 -3 points-2 points ago

People would rather donate money to some one who entertains, than to a person they cannot know for sure is innocent.

Kind of like how you are here on reddit and not fighting world hunger.

[–]FlippyWippy 1 point2 points ago

person they cannot know for sure is innocent.

Apart from the thing where the woman who he 'raped' signed a confession saying that she lied and made it up because she thought she would look bad if she changed her story.