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[–][deleted] 22 points23 points ago

Agreed, aside from the false rape accusation and the participation of feminist rights groups in aiding the injustice (where's the men's rights group to help him now?). Although the other fundraiser is good for showing that people are gladly giving money to other causes, it isn't a direct comparison.

He should get rid of the sentence at the bottom also - If the example was good enough, it wouldn't be necessary. Using the word 'females' also makes me, and many others, cringe.

[–]BallsackTBaghard -1 points0 points ago

What is wrong with 'females'? They are people too.

[–][deleted] 12 points13 points ago

The use of 'female' as a noun, although technically correct, is considered overly-clinical at best. You'll typically only see it used in scientific journals and on nature documentaries - which is why women don't like being called it. It also doesn't actually specify a species so, technically, they're not 'all people'.

Or at least that's my understanding of it. You don't really need a better reason than that it would seem archaic if I started referring to you as 'a male'.

[–]BallsackTBaghard 0 points1 point ago

This whole 'male/female' thing seems like a pseudo-problem to me. I don't think any men would have a problem being called 'male'. You can't call everybody a woman or a man. These words reflect the maturity of the subject. The younger version would be a girl and a boy, right? So, in order not to divulge into the age of the subject, then female or male become appropriate.

[–]xafimrev 3 points4 points ago

It might be regional. In my 40 years this is the first time I've ever seen someone complain about the word female as a noun and in all places an MRA subreddit. It certainly isn't an overly clinical word in the Midwest of the US. It sounds like prescriptivist grammar nitpicking.

[–]InfinitelyThirsting 0 points1 point ago

It is a shallow problem, but it's irksome in the context of someone only using clinical terms for females. Like, addressing a group of males as "Hey, men" or "Hey, guys", but women as "Hey, females". It is an example of people who think men are people, but women are Other.

Also, female/male are vague adjectives, and really shouldn't be used as nouns for people. It's dehumanizing, like using "it" to talk about a person.

So, it's not baseless, but it's an irksome problem to be mentioned when it comes up, not a particularly severe one to campaign about.

[–]BallsackTBaghard 1 point2 points ago

Nobody in the English speaking world goes to a group of females and says "Hey females". Also, females call each other "guys" too.

Female/male are adjectives, but the noun is describing the female/male person. A lot of languages are genderless so to people from these regions calling people "it" isn't a problem.

But you're an ok person. Keep it real, dawg, aight.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points ago

My only real opposition to it is that it sounds awkward. I just thought I'd cover all of the bases :)

I don't personally see a problem with using it, but (rightly or wrongly) it's a term that fits a certain misogynist stereotype and you'll generally be taken more seriously by women if you avoid using it where possible.

Yes, it's pretty stupid, but it is what it is. I'm in the UK, if there's a regional difference.

Here's a result from a google search I did on it. NB the comments section where there's a fair amount of jimmy rustling.

[–]AgentVanillaGorilla -1 points0 points ago

I've never heard of a single person having a problem with being called a male/female. I can't understand why anyone would take offense to that. Those terms are also used on by police and on the news and television in general quite often.

[–]Donkey_Schlong -2 points-1 points ago

Its mostly women that have a problem with it, especially women on Reddit that subscribe to certain feminist leaning subreddits.

"OMG SUCH BLATANT ONLINE MISOGYNY WHEN YOU USE A TERM TO DESCRIBE SOMETHING."

[–]Aegi -2 points-1 points ago

ok. I am a human male, so that wouldn't bother me in the least. In fact, as 'male' is a sex, and not a gender, or gender identity, it is actually probably more accurate to use. Also, I am pretty sure that there is no such thing as 'overly-clinical'. It either is or it isn't. AND if YOU are being technical, BallsackTBaghard, had the " ' ' " marks around "females" so no need to go into species or anything.

And I know, I didn't format well and I probably have grammatical errors as well. You know what? Lawyer up, hit the gym, quit facebook, and sue me!

[–]Donkey_Schlong -1 points0 points ago

I don't give a fuck if I am referred to as a "male" specifically, or generally, as the subject of discussion. Some of us have science backgrounds, and use specific terms to describe things.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points ago

good for you, that's not really the point.

[–]frehop 1 point2 points ago

Yeah, can't really compare the two. I don't know many people outside of the MR/feminist gendersphere who know much about Brian Banks, but that chick is one of those youtube "stars." She has a fanbase that she can sell her shit to.

[–]doublicon 2 points3 points ago

Exactly, Double Fine raised 3.4 mil in a week or something like that.

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[–]drinkthebleach 6 points7 points ago

^ Didn't play Psychonauts

[–]Aikidi 5 points6 points ago

I don't even remember the last /r/MR thing that made my front page that was actually about Mens Rights.

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[–][deleted] 9 points10 points ago

Manhood101's "advice" is among the most poisonous and self-harmful practices I've ever read up on.

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[–]TalesAbound 1 point2 points ago

You say that a lot about a lot of people. If we listened to you, we'd think the whole fucking place was manginas.

It isn't.

[–]Mymyilikepie 7 points8 points ago

Fuck

Manhood-motherfucking-whoopeedoo-fucking-acadamey-fucking-101

That shit sexist

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[–]lanahyde 52 points53 points ago

Here's the link if you're if anyone here wants to donate. As soon as I have some money in the bank, I will. Documentaries like this are important to the Men's Rights movement, as I think you all agree. Let's help him get the funding.

[–][deleted] 22 points23 points ago

HOLY SHIT PEOPLE, PLEASE DONATE (if you can). This is a huge opportunity to actually do something.

I'm donating right now.

[–]adorable_kitten 2 points3 points ago

exactly. a perfect opportunity for actual activism comes up and what does everyone here do? They ignore it.

(I pledged weeks ago; in case anyone was wondering.)

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points ago

I don't think people are ignoring it. His campaign has gone up about $2500 in the last 4 hours or so.

[–]AHamiltonian 3 points4 points ago

The only way change is going to happen is with awareness. The Banks case is the perfect example of something to center our movement around, like the Emmit Til murder did for the civil rights movement (note: I am not comparing what men go through now to what American blacks went through in the past in terms of magnitude of injustice.)

[–]anbeasley 0 points1 point ago

I donated as well as soon as I saw it. I think this is an important film to be made as I know a guy who almost had charges pressed on him for being falsely accused of rape.

[–]R3con 0 points1 point ago

I threw $10 at it, lets call it a educational video for my Sons

[–]BarelyNerdy 0 points1 point ago

Thank you for the link!

[–]Narconis 0 points1 point ago

I donated a few weeks ago :)

[–]teachbirds2fly 70 points71 points ago

These two things are not linked in any way shape or form. Comparing them or trying to use them as an argument for males being oppressed in society is moronic.

[–]tenhotuisku 5 points6 points ago

Yeah besides I though kickstarter is for projects and products that lack the capital needed to get them off the ground and not just a charity. Every time I've used kickstarter it's been more like a preorder. I don't know what the woman is selling but Brian Banks is not the sort of thing kickstarter is for.

e. Apparently it's for a movie. Still, I think it's wrong what happened to him and could had donated to his lawyer fund had I been aware of this back then but it doesn't mean I'd preorder his movie.

[–]falsehood 10 points11 points ago

The second campaign got big publicity for all of the attacks/threats it received.

[–]CasualPenguin 27 points28 points ago

Pretty disconnected comparison.

[–]stringerbell 79 points80 points ago

That's very dishonest of you!

  1. One on left has 11 days left.
  2. One on right has 0 seconds left.
  3. The vast majority of donations come at the very beginning or the very end. So, you are including two major donation peoriods for the one of the right, but only one for the one on the left.
  4. You included no information about the content people were donating to. One is a documentary about a man falsely accused of rape, sent to prison, then the accuser recants 10 years later. Pretty boring story actually (and, I've written/produced documentaries). And, not to mention, it's literally been done a million times already. This exact same film. It's nothing new or innovative. Just a rehash of every false-imprisonment doc ever made. The other project is about women and video games. It has humongous popular appeal - and there is nothing on the market that serves that niche (the industry focuses on the males who make up the majority of video game usage and ignore the rather large percentage of women who use video games). So, this project is actually somewhat new, and not a rehash. It actually has a market.
  5. You make movies for 13 year olds (that's why Hollywood doesn't give a crap about quality - their audience doesn't know what quality is). Now, which movie is a 13 year old going to go see: a documentary about a criminal case - or a movie about video games???

[–]bridgecrewdave 38 points39 points ago

Except if you go on youtube, where the Tropes vs Women videos are being released, there are in fact hundreds or thousands of videos covering the exact same topic. So she is in fact adding NOTHING to the conversation except one more voice going "Video Games dont represent womyns well!" It's been done, she still got 6 figures to make more. Watch her other videos, she's not even a good vlogger, she contradicts herself in her own videos all the time just to push her propoganda.

[–]simplecosine 4 points5 points ago

And, not to mention, it's literally been done a million times already.

[citation needed]

i know cotwa and falserapesociety exist, but there's only one false-rape movie I can think of: presumed innocent.

[–]millertime73 3 points4 points ago

Translation: "No one cares about men falsely imprisoned for rapes that never happened". Thanks for proving the fucking point.

[–]NonPermissive 23 points24 points ago

Please. You can come up with a better comparison than that.

[–]Hypersapien 4 points5 points ago

Do you have any idea how bad it makes us look when you spell "oppressed" wrong?

[–]redditspice 19 points20 points ago

the comparison is ignorant... i sympathize with the dude that got fucked over...

you can't villainize something random in an effort to win your argument, these are middle school debate tactics

[–]Asshole_Patrol 3 points4 points ago

This isn't surprising at all. Fem Frequency has a fanbase of thousands on the internet. If she asks for money, she'll get some because if even a small percent of her large fanbase donates she'll get a sizable sum. I didn't even know who the other guy was until right now.

[–]parsleyfirefly 4 points5 points ago

Kickstarter has exactly nothing to do with "I like this person; give him money" and exactly everything to do with "I want to pre-order a product, even knowing it's a long ways away, because I recognize that the person making it needs the capital to begin production."

[–]Arlieth 4 points5 points ago

To be honest, it's a huge risk trying to do this via Kickstarter instead of opening up a general donation fund because of the fact that you need a guaranteed minimum to initiate funding.

You also have oppression olympics going on; he's black, she's white.

And you should run spell-check before posting.

I still feel for the dude, though. I'll figure out a way to donate to him in some other fashion.

[–]theozoph 1 point2 points ago

I'll figure out a way to donate to him in some other fashion.

Can I ask you why? After all, what he wants to do is to tell his story so things like that don't happen to other people. Why aren't you supportive of that? Why don't you respect his wishes, instead of trying to help him "in some other fashion"?

He doesn't ask for charity. He doesn't want a pity party, or live off his story. He wants to show how he got over it, and how the system is so screwed up, that it can destroy a man's life on nothing more than an accusation unsupported by any evidence. He doesn't want help, he wants to contribute, help others, and solve the problem.

I think the noble thing to do is to help him do just that.

[–]Arlieth 0 points1 point ago

Get off your high horse for a moment.

You missed the point. If he doesnt get enough funding for the minimum requirement, NO FUNDING TAKES PLACE. I'm worried that he'll end up with nothing. If I send money for the project directly instead of going through Kickstarter, it'd guarantee that he could use the money for the project.

[–]theozoph 2 points3 points ago

OK, sorry, after all the nay-sayers, I felt like there was a lot of negative sentiment against the project, and it splashed on to you.

If he doesnt get enough funding for the minimum requirement, NO FUNDING TAKES PLACE.

I understand that, but one doesn't preclude the other. Pledge a sum, and if it doesn't work out, try to contact him for another money-raising round. All we have to lose is the 2 minutes it takes to make a donation.

[–]benedictishii 1 point2 points ago

Why can't /r/MR do an infographic properly?

[–]modestfish 6 points7 points ago

Nevermind, of course, all the money flowing into vapid pop culture endeavors that don't have a feminist flavor.

[–]Nithius 9 points10 points ago

I can't downvote you enough.

[–]Dolanduckaroo 2 points3 points ago

Damn that's a really sad picture. I wish I had spare 10k laying around because I'd donate in a heartbeat.

[–]alecbenzer 0 points1 point ago

Makes money doing virtually nothing.

That's a silly accusation. It's as silly as when feminists pretend pointing out misandry is somehow misogyny, which is as silly as saying that no one should care about anything ever except about starving kids in Africa, because they have it worse than anyone else, and pretending that anything else is an issue is taking away from help that could be going to them.

Let Anita blog and do whatever else she wants, and hopefully Brian will also get his documentary out, or spread his story one way or another.

edit: For the record, I don't really know much about Anita or what she does. I was talking less about her content in particular and more about the implication that being a pop culture critic and blogging about more mundane-seeming things is a bad thing to do.

[–]TOGTFO -2 points-1 points ago

One is a person who is saavy about social media and has a fan base already who would see donating money for the entertainment they have/will receive from it. The other is a plea for money to make a film about what happened to him.

To the douchebag who poasted this why didn't you include a link to his kickstarter page you idiot? I think that is a glaringly bright reason for why he isn't getting money. Someone who is offended he isn't getting money goes to the trouble of doing a screen grab, comparison to another kickstarter, but doesn't even link to the guy.

What a fucking whinging moron: "Lets put more effort into complaining about this guy not getting funding than it would to helkping him get some. Fuck it I won't even include a link to where people can donate. I'll make them look it up themselves."

Look I've done it three times and it took a fraction of the effort you put into making your little collage.

http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1681576010/the-brian-banks-story

[–]spyfer 0 points1 point ago

My problem is it says that the girl does virtually nothing, which is bullshit.

[–]bobandgeorge 0 points1 point ago

That woman removed me as a subscriber to her Youtube channel. I didn't even know you could do that before her.

[–]theozoph 0 points1 point ago

X-posted to r/pics. Just in case people wonder why idiotic comments are the most upvoted...

[–]bookishboy 0 points1 point ago

I think it's possible that this could be a simple case of one project having a much better return on investment than the other.

Tropes v. Women in Video Games:

Pledge $25 or more: Your name in the video credits, a free high res digital download of the video series & access to some research materials. (Plus your name credited as a donor on the Feminist Frequency website and a big heartfelt thank you!)

Brian Banks Story:

Pledge $25 or more: All of the above, and a signed copy of The Brian Banks Story official movie poster. (does not include copy of movie)

With a Kickstarter campaign designed to actually produce a marketable good, many backers expect that for a reasonable donation, they should benefit with a copy of the item being produced. A copy of the movie for $25 does not seem unreasonable, especially since any dvd edition of the movie is likely to retail for less than this amount. Additionally, if the idea is not only to provide Brian with a source of income but also to publicize the injustice done to him, would-be backers might be more willing to donate if they know the movie is to be made DRM-free, and thus more easily distributed.

[–]XxDailyDreamxX[!] 0 points1 point ago

Hey now, there are men that do the same thing as the pop culture chick. It's not gender based here.

[–]Grubnar 0 points1 point ago

Since I have never heard about either of these two people before, what is this about? I mean, what is this donation collection for?

[–]Attila_TheHipster 7 points8 points ago

One is for a documentary about a man convicted for a rape he didn't commit thanks to the victim lying her ass of so she could keep a million dollars promised by her school (they both went there). His life was destroyed.

The other is a feminist in the original sense of the word. She's making a documentary about female stereotypes in games. It's actually very well made and intelligent. She already had another succesful video that shows how Lego makes macho toys, girls have set roles. Also very interesting. I suppose the video went viral.

In short, OP doesn't know shit about what the person on the right is doing and just blatantly derives that society is going wrong based on the fact that her kickstarter funding is miles ahead. OP is a moron. And should not be able to post in this subreddit.

[–]Grubnar 0 points1 point ago

Thank you for the reply. It explained everything.

[–]millertime73 -1 points0 points ago

She already had another succesful video that shows how Lego makes macho toys, girls have set roles.

Today I learned that because one woman on youtube said so, plastic blocks are insidious tools of the patriarchy. You should watch calling other people moron, because you come across like a massive idiot yourself.

[–]Attila_TheHipster 5 points6 points ago

Oh really now? I said Lego makes macho toys. That doesn't mean all Lego toys are influenced by machismo. Nor was that what I meant. Putting words in my mouth sure is a good way of fighting my statement.

[–]amido -4 points-3 points ago

Holy shit. I can't believe anyone wants to fund the opinions of that utter moron feminist. I could make up the shit kind of she says without even thinking about it. The results of her "research" are a foregone conclusion!

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[–]Cgraces 14 points15 points ago

Pretty sure nobody said that ever

[–]betaprime -3 points-2 points ago

Kickstarter makes donor identities public. MRAs and MR sympathizers may not wish their politically incorrect views to be discovered by those who might start a witch hunt.

Meanwhile, it is fashionable among the so-called educated class to demonstrate their political correctness.

[–]picopallasi -4 points-3 points ago

People gave that vulture money? Yes, something is definitely wrong here. I don't think it's necessarily a gender issue, but a culture of mediocre crap issue.

[–]DirtySketel -3 points-2 points ago

This is actually probably the result of backlash from the MRAs. Her youtube video was so filled with bile and slurs and insults that she made a blog post about it, which caused many people to back her cause in spite of the MRAs.